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Xperia Z5P the conclusion (Really Disappointed)

I'm posting this as i think Sony doesn't know what they are doing anymore, they are not in control of their mobile dev department, its a real mess.
After years of experiencing android market, Sony reinventing the wheel every time they come up with something new, the latest example is the Z5 series
they released a device with half a day battery life under fair usage, they are marketing it as a 2 days battery ready
they forgot to add the correct drivers for the bluetooth and wifi, that's why the bower consumption is really high when both left on without connecting to BT headset or Wi-Fi
the camera is far from the expectations, lagy, hardly focus, image optimization is at the worst, extremely noisy, file size is at the highest, please do a fair comparison between this camera and any other mid-range device, even Huawei doing much better than Sony camera, the weird thing is they are selling their camera module to most of the high-end manufacturers, but others knows how to perfectly use this module.
even their own apps like "Smart Connect" it doesn't trigger the required action upon device pairing to a bluetooth for example
Stamina Clock disconnects the mobile data believe me it does
"Adaptive Brightness" is not correctly functioning, it extremely exposure the screen brightness for seconds before it detects the correct settings
sound drivers are sh*^%&t, stereo speakers are not well calibrated, and after every Facebook call or disconnecting noise cancelling headset, I have to readjust ringer and call volumes again
Sony fans stay away please, no need for (my device lasts for full 5 years with only 10% battery) as this is a lie, I factory rest and repaired my device 6 times with all possible settings before I post this, this post is not for you guys, I was a Sony fan, starting from Xperia Z, Z1, Z2, Z3, and finally this sh%^ty Z5P, and unfortunately am an advanced user and i know Sony mobiles behavior
Good luck everyone, stay away from Sony mobiles this year if you care about your money, you won't be satisfied unless you are a beginner, or you have the patience to wait for months for an update to fix a bug and bug another, till finally after ages they fix their firmware.

Be Happy Story Teller
hahah you sure bro ? you got all that problem in your phone ? is that even legit Sony product or maybe you buy the cloned one hahahha . I think the problem is you or let's say your phone only because every error that you mentioned is all just story .
1. My phone takes almost 2 day before it drain : game , facebook , music . Also i think you need to learn to read , Sony announced it 2days in Standby mode , really are you fan of Sony . Nice story .
2.Do you know the correct drivers your talking about ? My wifi is on always i dont get that problem.
3. LMAO the CAMERA this one , really ? Sony Camera is SUPERB ! Even my friends who used Samsung , Iphones they know Z5 Camera is better . This the best hahaha .
4.Smart Connect ? Even this one you got problem hahahahah !
5.I used Stamina Clock and I can still use mobile data with LTE .
6.The adaptive brightness is very good also . You know i dont know whats your problem retarded hahaha .
7.Lastly the Music , ow common . Sony's Stereo is great .
Dont listen to this guy claiming he is a Sony Fan hahahah . Its easy to say that your a Sony Fan . Actually your a great Story Teller on the other side . Laughing very hard to this post haha . Almost all the details in the phone you got the problem seriously ? Your too obvious . I pity you , all story that you mentioned i didnt even got one . I hope i have atleast one ! hahahah
True Sony Z5 Series Xperia User can tell it . I know others will get some problems just like all other phones but not all the problems that you mentioned . Cool Story Bro ! Cheers
Im very proud with this phone.
Z5 Premium Dual User

Lucky you, none even one problem with your Xperia Z5P, that's cool while Sony knows these issues and promising for an upcoming update to fix these issues, you -the only one on planet- who has none of the above at all, and I'm the story teller??
please check the following:
a professional reply from Sony here, not a childish one as yours (the guy with no issues) https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xper...isappointed/m-p/1071489/highlight/false#M5004 check Sony reply and awareness of these issues
Adaptive Brightness Issue: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-premium/help/screen-looking-washed-t3265869
Stareo Speakers Issue: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-premium/general/sound-problem-z5-premium-t3264852
these are just examples, i can post tons of links

Hossam.Abdelsalam said:
Lucky you, none even one problem with your Xperia Z5P, that's cool while Sony knows these issues and promising for an upcoming update to fix these issues, you -the only one on planet- who has none of the above at all, and I'm the story teller??
please check the following:
a professional reply from Sony here, not a childish one as yours (the guy with no issues) https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xper...isappointed/m-p/1071489/highlight/false#M5004 check Sony reply and awareness of these issues
Adaptive Brightness Issue: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-premium/help/screen-looking-washed-t3265869
Stareo Speakers Issue: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-premium/general/sound-problem-z5-premium-t3264852
these are just examples, i can post tons of links
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You sound like a fairly smart and technical dude so I'll give u the benefit of the doubt and try to stay constructive.
There are a number of quirks with the Z5P that we all wished were not there, just like there are many quirks with every single phone in it's first months of release
There will be fixes for the MINOR bugs you are mentioning and there is no reason to blow it out of proportion like a teenager on her first period. I mean if Smart Connect, adaptive brightness(no issue here), Stamina clock and readjusting volume after FB call is you idea of "STAY AWAY FROM SONY" issues, I think you have some serious unresolved ones. Not trying to offend you, just a friendly observation.
As far as camera, battery and wireless drivers(?!), you either got a faulty device, or you are smoking some fine dope and I want in on it
Camera pics (low light especially) made a pal of mine switch to Z5 from an iPhone. I was at a party on Saturday and people were borrowing my phone to take pics and send to themselves afterwards. As objective as it comes. .
I haven't switched off BT or WiFi ever since I became a Sony user(Z, Z1, Z2). Z5P does noticeably worse than my Z2, which was a power stamina beast, but it still holds up to the two day promise Sony makes (~4 hours of screen time, stamina mode - On, wifi/BT - On, adaptive brightness set to medium). I easily start a morning with 100% and last to next day evening. I am not a power user and rarely play games on it, so if you do, I can see your frustration. The Snapdragon 810 is infamous with its power starve.
As for the "tons" of links with bad feedback, it is true for every single piece of hardware. Simple human behavior is that they rarely write on a forum about a positive experience.
My advice is, write down all the issues you are having, send back your phone for a warranty service (even invent a few if it helps your case) and see if they can swap it.
Otherwise you can keep whining and badmouthing, it's your choice, but it's also no way to live a life Put a nice smile on and make it better
Cheers

bahkata said:
You sound like a fairly smart and technical dude so I'll give u the benefit of the doubt and try to stay constructive.
There are a number of quirks with the Z5P that we all wished were not there, just like there are many quirks with every single phone in it's first months of release
There will be fixes for the MINOR bugs you are mentioning and there is no reason to blow it out of proportion like a teenager on her first period. I mean if Smart Connect, adaptive brightness(no issue here), Stamina clock and readjusting volume after FB call is you idea of "STAY AWAY FROM SONY" issues, I think you have some serious unresolved ones. Not trying to offend you, just a friendly observation.
As far as camera, battery and wireless drivers(?!), you either got a faulty device, or you are smoking some fine dope and I want in on it
Camera pics (low light especially) made a pal of mine switch to Z5 from an iPhone. I was at a party on Saturday and people were borrowing my phone to take pics and send to themselves afterwards. As objective as it comes. .
I haven't switched off BT or WiFi ever since I became a Sony user(Z, Z1, Z2). Z5P does noticeably worse than my Z2, which was a power stamina beast, but it still holds up to the two day promise Sony makes (~4 hours of screen time, stamina mode - On, wifi/BT - On, adaptive brightness set to medium). I easily start a morning with 100% and last to next day evening. I am not a power user and rarely play games on it, so if you do, I can see your frustration. The Snapdragon 810 is infamous with its power starve.
As for the "tons" of links with bad feedback, it is true for every single piece of hardware. Simple human behavior is that they rarely write on a forum about a positive experience.
My advice is, write down all the issues you are having, send back your phone for a warranty service (even invent a few if it helps your case) and see if they can swap it.
Otherwise you can keep whining and badmouthing, it's your choice, but it's also no way to live a life Put a nice smile on and make it better
Cheers
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I'm on the fence on choosing a z5premium or a iPhone 6s plus. ..which one do you think I should get? How's the front camera on the z5premium I'm into social media and use snap chat alot so I want a good selfie camera. .as well as a good rear camera and how long do you guys think the next premium model drops ?

Which version of the premium do you have? Is it dual? Is it E6883? I wonder if bugs are only in certain versions of the phone. Especially the battery issue. I got the dual E6883 and I feel like the battery is not lasting how it should.

jordy787 said:
I'm on the fence on choosing a z5premium or a iPhone 6s plus. ..which one do you think I should get? How's the front camera on the z5premium I'm into social media and use snap chat alot so I want a good selfie camera. .as well as a good rear camera and how long do you guys think the next premium model drops ?
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Both have a good front facing camera. The Sony one captures a little more (wider lens) but the quality is not different enough to drive a decision. Right now, before a Firmware update, you'll be happier with the 6s Plus.
After Sony releases a couple of updates, I think the Sony will be the better phone.
The rear camera is better on the Sony but that is subjective to my picture preferences. On the objective side, Sony's lenses are much wider and capture more of the scene and it has a camera button, which I wouldn't swap for anything. the 6s Plus does have OIS tho. Videos tend to be a little less shaky.
pick the one u like in your hand. I am not a fan of apple's product line but that's on a personal level so I can't recommend against it.
gd luck
P.S. If you'r not in a hurry, my advice is - wait till spring. The Z6 line will be a lot better. Rumors are there will be 5 screen sizes to pick from and lot of goodies. And in case they suck, you can grab the Z5P cheaper. The only reason I got mine was a random Black Friday promo for 50% off

bahkata said:
Both have a good front facing camera. The Sony one captures a little more (wider lens) but the quality is not different enough to drive a decision. Right now, before a Firmware update, you'll be happier with the 6s Plus.
After Sony releases a couple of updates, I think the Sony will be the better phone.
The rear camera is better on the Sony but that is subjective to my picture preferences. On the objective side, Sony's lenses are much wider and capture more of the scene and it has a camera button, which I wouldn't swap for anything the 6s Plus does have OIS tho. Videos tend to be a little less shaky.
pick the one u like in your hand. I am not a fan of apple's product line but that's on a personal level so I can't recommend against it
gd luck
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Probably when the marshmallow update drops soon it will be alot better huh? Yeah the camera button would be nice !! i wanted a rear camera closest to a dslr so the z5p is probably that. I heard the z5p has a better stabilizer..Do you think a new model z5p will drop soon? i guess thats my main concern, i dont want the phone to depreciate after Christmas and i know iphones dont hardly do that haha. Hows your battery life ??
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bahkata said:
Both have a good front facing camera. The Sony one captures a little more (wider lens) but the quality is not different enough to drive a decision. Right now, before a Firmware update, you'll be happier with the 6s Plus.
After Sony releases a couple of updates, I think the Sony will be the better phone.
The rear camera is better on the Sony but that is subjective to my picture preferences. On the objective side, Sony's lenses are much wider and capture more of the scene and it has a camera button, which I wouldn't swap for anything. the 6s Plus does have OIS tho. Videos tend to be a little less shaky.
pick the one u like in your hand. I am not a fan of apple's product line but that's on a personal level so I can't recommend against it.
gd luck
P.S. If you'r not in a hurry, my advice is - wait till spring. The Z6 line will be a lot better. Rumors are there will be 5 screen sizes to pick from and lot of goodies. And in case they suck, you can grab the Z5P cheaper. The only reason I got mine was a random Black Friday promo for 50% off
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edit: Do they still have that black friday promo? lol and i should probably get a iphone 6s plus then since i can easily resell it for alot (seem to hold value). i found a 6s plus 128gb for $700 new

Nah, was just a 12 hour promo on a Swedish provider
If u want to hold value, iPhone would be a better option. U'll be happy with both.
Battery is fine. I miss my Z2's marathon stamina but I easily get two days and it will get better with andro M.
In the end, its a lifestyle choice, dude. They cover different needs and have a different customer base. If u want pretty, shiny and easy to use - go 6s Plus. If u want to tinker, customize and a more real experience in a tougher shell - its Sony. Go play with both of them in a store.

bahkata said:
Nah, was just a 12 hour promo on a Swedish provider
If u want to hold value, iPhone would be a better option. U'll be happy with both.
Battery is fine. I miss my Z2's marathon stamina but I easily get two days and it will get better with andro M.
In the end, its a lifestyle choice, dude. They cover different needs and have a different customer base. If u want pretty, shiny and easy to use - go 6s Plus. If u want to tinker, customize and a more real experience in a tougher shell - its Sony. Go play with both of them in a store.
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2 days seems amazing, on my s6 edge plus i sold i got around 10hrs only with probably 2-3sot. Guess i gotta think this through lol... do you have any camera samples? or any samples on instagram or something ?

Thats quite disappointing. People here don't like it when they get "only" 4-5 hrs SOT on the Z5P
check here -> http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z5_premium-review-1344.php
loads of samples and a decent review

bahkata said:
You sound like a fairly smart and technical dude so I'll give u the benefit of the doubt and try to stay constructive.
There are a number of quirks with the Z5P that we all wished were not there, just like there are many quirks with every single phone in it's first months of release
There will be fixes for the MINOR bugs you are mentioning and there is no reason to blow it out of proportion like a teenager on her first period. I mean if Smart Connect, adaptive brightness(no issue here), Stamina clock and readjusting volume after FB call is you idea of "STAY AWAY FROM SONY" issues, I think you have some serious unresolved ones. Not trying to offend you, just a friendly observation.
As far as camera, battery and wireless drivers(?!), you either got a faulty device, or you are smoking some fine dope and I want in on it
Camera pics (low light especially) made a pal of mine switch to Z5 from an iPhone. I was at a party on Saturday and people were borrowing my phone to take pics and send to themselves afterwards. As objective as it comes. .
I haven't switched off BT or WiFi ever since I became a Sony user(Z, Z1, Z2). Z5P does noticeably worse than my Z2, which was a power stamina beast, but it still holds up to the two day promise Sony makes (~4 hours of screen time, stamina mode - On, wifi/BT - On, adaptive brightness set to medium). I easily start a morning with 100% and last to next day evening. I am not a power user and rarely play games on it, so if you do, I can see your frustration. The Snapdragon 810 is infamous with its power starve.
As for the "tons" of links with bad feedback, it is true for every single piece of hardware. Simple human behavior is that they rarely write on a forum about a positive experience.
My advice is, write down all the issues you are having, send back your phone for a warranty service (even invent a few if it helps your case) and see if they can swap it.
Otherwise you can keep whining and badmouthing, it's your choice, but it's also no way to live a life Put a nice smile on and make it better
Cheers
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Thanks man for your reply, but when you pay around $850 to get a Z5P in my country -with no warranty BTW-, and after days of waiting for it to be delivered to find out you've paid this for a downgraded version of your current device (Z3) which lasts easily for a day with heavy use, most of issues were fixed (except for the call and ring volumes and Smart connect actions), battery smooth UI, no lags, fair camera, ...etc, imagine the impression man, paying such amount of money to be downgraded to half a day battery usage, software issues here and there, practically same camera results.
add to this, being in a poor country, no Sony support, all the above issues are hidden to the normal user, advanced digging needed to reach out for solutions, this is not like a teenager on her first period, this is called disappointment

Hossam.Abdelsalam said:
Thanks man for your reply, but when you pay around $850 to get a Z5P in my country -with no warranty BTW-, and after days of waiting for it to be delivered to find out you've paid this for a downgraded version of your current device (Z3) which lasts easily for a day with heavy use, most of issues were fixed (except for the call and ring volumes and Smart connect actions), battery smooth UI, no lags, fair camera, ...etc, imagine the impression man, paying such amount of money to be downgraded to half a day battery usage, software issues here and there, practically same camera results.
add to this, being in a poor country, no Sony support, all the above issues are hidden to the normal user, advanced digging needed to reach out for solutions, this is not like a teenager on her first period, this is called disappointment
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Im originally from Bulgaria, mate. I don't have to imagine. But being from the third world you must also be aware that the lowest quality batches get send there and you need to be extra careful. As far as warranty goes, there is no such thing as "no warranty" with a big name brand. You can always send it to a Sony service center outside your country. You just have to communicate that through the correct channels. I managed to do it with a Nokia and a Samsung in my teens. You are a big boy, you'll figure it out
Now the disappointment part. It's not the feeling I am referring to. It's the process you are going through to handle it. This is a forum where people come together to be helpful/get help. Thanks to topics and posts like yours it is becoming a mundane and unhelpful place where people come to vent and whine without really seeking a solution, which makes it a less helpful place. Essentially you are making the world a ****tier place. By a very little amount of course, but it contributes
What was wrong with posting in the Q&A, troubleshooting section, explaining your problems and ask nicely if people have the same and what could be a solution?
Also don't be mad at Yolo. He has the right to be frustrated, just cannot express it very well.

I have the 6853 and honestly it works great... The camera is definitely better than the iPhone 6S+...my wife uses that and I took a ton of pictures using both...the Sony is considerably better...no phone is perfect but right now I don't think there's anything better than the Z5P...Android M will be out soon and it will only get better...the one thing that Sony is wrong on is Battery....as a heavy user, I get one full day usage, not 2...but its usually hovering around 15-20% when I finally put it back on the charger...another thing I noticed was that Sony's quick charger is slower than others...I have a $9 certified Qualcomm quick charger I got from Amazon that charges the phone from 2-3% to 100% in one hour...and I get it up to like 70% in 30-35 minutes.

Only battery drain a little bit too fast other then is perfect for me.
Before z5p I had use moto x prue ,nexus 6p, lumia 950xl but I feel z5p is better one

i've used the z, z1, z ultra (still have this beast), z3, z3 tablet compact, and recently got the z5 premium.
I've never gotten a lemon in any of those devices, and none of those problems happened to me before.
the z5 premium's performance is blowing all those out of the waters now so I guess I'm just one lucky son of a gun

ivrsn_des said:
i've used the z, z1, z ultra (still have this beast), z3, z3 tablet compact, and recently got the z5 premium.
I've never gotten a lemon in any of those devices, and none of those problems happened to me before.
the z5 premium's performance is blowing all those out of the waters now so I guess I'm just one lucky son of a gun
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I am still using my Z1 and it has never had a single issue in over two years but I am contemplating getting the Z5 Premium in black.
How would you rate it next to the Z1, take into consideration that o have not used or owned any other Z series device.
Would it be a massive jump and difference in user experience, in a positive manner?

jordy787 said:
I'm on the fence on choosing a z5premium or a iPhone 6s plus. ..which one do you think I should get? How's the front camera on the z5premium I'm into social media and use snap chat alot so I want a good selfie camera. .as well as a good rear camera and how long do you guys think the next premium model drops ?
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I'll be brutally honest here. Go with the iPhone. It's the best phone for social media. I've been using the Z5premium for a little longer than a week now and I can tell you that the front facing camera is definitely not as good as the one on the iPhone. It also doesn't take pictures as fast as the iPhone does. However I will say that the Z5's rear camera does take better photos than the iPhone, albeit slower due to post-processing.
There's also a weird glitch with the camera when taking videos of extremely detailed subjects on Snapchat. I don't know when this will be fixed, but I do know that it looks distorted and really weird. I wish I could show you a sample, but the snap was a few days ago.
This is not to say that I don't love this phone though. For more reasons I like this phone better than my iPhone. There are just a few things that the iPhone simply does better. But hey, no phone is perfect.

fancymans said:
I'll be brutally honest here. Go with the iPhone. It's the best phone for social media. I've been using the Z5premium for a little longer than a week now and I can tell you that the front facing camera is definitely not as good as the one on the iPhone. It also doesn't take pictures as fast as the iPhone does. However I will say that the Z5's rear camera does take better photos than the iPhone, albeit slower due to post-processing.
There's also a weird glitch with the camera when taking videos of extremely detailed subjects on Snapchat. I don't know when this will be fixed, but I do know that it looks distorted and really weird. I wish I could show you a sample, but the snap was a few days ago.
This is not to say that I don't love this phone though. For more reasons I like this phone better than my iPhone. There are just a few things that the iPhone simply does better. But hey, no phone is perfect.
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i ended up ordering a 6s+ on ebay haha thanks for replying back! I know exactly what you mean, they haven't optimized the camera yet for snapchat i had that happen with my old g4 ..only way to fix that is to use the 3rd party snapchat app called "casper" it allows you to use original camera app. idk what it is but iphones always tend to have the better front camera even with being a lower resolution. Main reason i did not get the z5p is because there is rumors with the z6 plus/ultra coming out soon so i would rather stick with something that wont depreciate yenno

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Z5C common issues

so guys i`m an owner of z3c a great phone but lacks the build quality and terrible camera...since i broke the screen i`m planing to jump to
samsung galaxy s6 its a premium tbh but i hate samsung.......or z5c both are same price to me....
so i`ve been following the post of Z5c on sony.talk.....and the amount of defected units is way too high..... them blurry images and rarely dead pixles but its more like 7 out of 10 with defected lens .....is it worth it to take the risk and get the z5c? or is there any more bugs found on this phone hope we can discuss it here even though i dont believe the camera is that great even if the phone is not defected

I'll just post my issues with the Z5 Compact:
- Auto-brightness is broken, unlocking the phone with enabled auto-brightness results in a bright display for a couple of seconds --> Sony said that it'll be fixed in the upcoming Marshmallow update
- Lags and inconsistent performance, disabling X-Reality helped a bit. It just doesn't feel like a fast phone, my old HTC One M8 was flying through the system. My brother has a Nexus 6p with the same processor and it feels much smoother, we compared them side by side (opening apps, loading websites).
- Music and Podcasts from different apps (Spotify, Shuttle+, Pocketcasts) are pausing every now and then (already repaired the phone with PC companion and did a manual factory reset, reformatted my external SD card)
- slow camera launch
- it takes a while to look at a taken picture
- active mobile radio bug --> will be fixed in the upcoming Marshmallow update, other Marshmallow phones confirmed that
- slow connection to wifi networks (exclamation mark in the statusbar)
- many bloatware apps from Sony (luckily they can be disabled)
Overall im quite disappointed by this phone because of its lackluster firmware performance. I'm hoping Marshmallow fixes the most annoxing bugs (broken auto-brightness is a pain), if not I'm selling it. I like the slim UI, the design of this phone and the camera. My photos are thankfully not blurred.

I've got Z1c, Z5c and S6. If you love small size, Z5c is the only option. The current problem is software not mature, not to the level you can't real use it as a daily driver but enough to annoy you. We are waiting for MM to fix. Me and my friend both owned Z5c and our lens no blur.
S6 two big issues, other than that it's good. First is poor memory management during heavy multi-tasking(light use okay) and second thing is bad color reproduction(over saturation and too much contrast, auto exposure isn't as accurate) compared to Z1c/Z5c. But I know Z3c white balance is quite buggy even worse than Z1/Z2 line.
I always take photo so camera is most important to me and I tend to stick with Z1c/Z5c and going to sell out my S6 soon. But S6 camera is extremely quick and OIS is useful, for the point and shoot purpose no doubt better than Sony but I just can't use it to shoot out any decent photo though S6 camera got little more details but color is too wrong. Casual user may more welcome S6 camera bcoz they just want speedy.
The current problem on Z5 camera is high ISO bad and 4K focus/quality at low-light even worse than my Z1c. But the focus is decent, slightly slower than S6 but blows Z1c/Z3c. Color and exposure is improved too, I'll say the best I've ever seen. However, if the upcoming MM not fix all issues, I'm thinking to stick with Z1c for a little bit more time and wait Z6c/Z7c.

To be honest I expected the z5c to suck when I bought it.
Marshmallow wasn't out yet and to me, it looks like the best strategy for sony would be to release ****ty software because MM update would come soon anyway.
Unfortunately, I'm very dissapointed, I agree that the phone is laggy and tend to get way too hot. Batterylife is worse than Z3C. (I could easily last two days, one day is even an issue on this phone) The MM update should have hit the Z5 family end December at latest.
I still have hopes for MM, if you could wait three weeks I would, let's see how it works out. (but somewhere it already feels like I'm going to get dissapointed, I had such high hopes for Sony but I feel betrayed by them)

30min Wifi Skype call, temperature reached: 50°C.
So consider also that in some situations the phone overheats easily

Wait to see if mm fixes the problems. I went from z3c to z5c. Not very happy. So my tip is to wait for some weeks

KingKonga said:
I'll just post my issues with the Z5 Compact:
- Auto-brightness is broken, unlocking the phone with enabled auto-brightness results in a bright display for a couple of seconds --> Sony said that it'll be fixed in the upcoming Marshmallow update
- Lags and inconsistent performance, disabling X-Reality helped a bit. It just doesn't feel like a fast phone, my old HTC One M8 was flying through the system. My brother has a Nexus 6p with the same processor and it feels much smoother, we compared them side by side (opening apps, loading websites).
- Music and Podcasts from different apps (Spotify, Shuttle+, Pocketcasts) are pausing every now and then (already repaired the phone with PC companion and did a manual factory reset, reformatted my external SD card)
- slow camera launch
- it takes a while to look at a taken picture
- active mobile radio bug --> will be fixed in the upcoming Marshmallow update, other Marshmallow phones confirmed that
- slow connection to wifi networks (exclamation mark in the statusbar)
- many bloatware apps from Sony (luckily they can be disabled)
Overall im quite disappointed by this phone because of its lackluster firmware performance. I'm hoping Marshmallow fixes the most annoxing bugs (broken auto-brightness is a pain), if not I'm selling it. I like the slim UI, the design of this phone and the camera. My photos are thankfully not blurred.
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From reading the forums it seems to me that the quality of the z5c handsets Sony has put out is pretty uneven, from poor quality control, different build lines, different rev versions or...?
I'm overall happy, no issues of lags, reboots or the like.
Keep mobile data off almost always so not affected by active mobile radio bug, which is really an Android issue more than a Sony issue if I understand it correctly.
No issues with music or podcasts, listen to pods a lot.
No issues with overheating, it does get quite warm occasionally with heavy use but nothing really bothersome. (I don't play games or shoot video.)
Generally happy with camera, no blur issues, no slow launch issues, though watching pictures/launching album from within camera is really slow. I'm not a keen photographer or a very exigent user of the camera, understand from others there are issues of software limiting the hardware. Definitely could do better in low light.
Agree on the bloatware, have disabled most and wish more was possible. Then again, compared to Samsung or most other manufacturers...
So the issues I have are:
- auto brightness bug, common to all z5 and acknowledged by Sony a long time ago. Disappointing it takes months to issue an upgrade or patch.
- wifi management is confusing. Without Stamina mode wifi keeps turning off in standby/sleep, though I have it set to always keep on. With Stamina mode it stays conected?? Seems counterintuitive. Also occasionally it keeps turning off even then, can't understand why?
- I want to keep wifi always on when connected to a known network, off when no network. Previously Sony had a bundled app, Location based wifi, which took care of it and worked really well. Disappointed they no longer include it, after trying several third party apps I believe I have found one that works.
- battery capacity is ok, not great, but only(?) without mobile data on. Regularly get 6+ hours on screen time which isn't bad, more would be better.
- finger print sensor works poorly and irregularly. Apart from not working if fingers are dirty or damp, which is ok and expected, it works poorly in general. I have five fingers saved, it works well with one of them in certain angles, less so with another finger and very poorly on others. Frustratingly, when I press lock key only to look at time without wanting to unlock it often does just that, more frequently than when i do want to unlock.
Size, ergonomics, hardware quality, waterproof certifications - I'm real happy and see few if any competitors on the market. Software could be better and updates much more frequent, but apart from above mentioned issues my phone is quick and snappy, no lags. Pleased with the general UI, but wish more customization was possible and more bloatware was optional or uninstallable.

Regarding poor performance of fingerprint sensor it seems, thanks to michal89chz, that I have found a solution. I had tried to re-register fingerprints before without seeing much of a difference. It seems that registering a fingerprint in all kinds of different angles greatly improves the performance of the sensor, now hit rate has gone up from 4/10 to 9/10. If it keeps up take that off the list of complaints. Though Sony ought to have made it clear in the settings when you first register your prints that this procedure is necessary for a good performance.

Heres my take.
The camera is better than z3c when ready but takes so long to launch that the moment is usually gone long before the phone is ready.
Oh and from time to time the camera won't launch because according to the error message some other app is using it. I've only been able to solve that issue by rebooting adding insult to injury for the already ridiculous camera launch times.
Thats really the only advantage.
It gets way hotter and lags like crazy seemingly at random.
My guess is that Snapdragon 810 is just a piece of **** and I hope Sony makes a z6c with 820 which i will happily buy..
I'm so frustrated that Samsung S7 starts to look good but it's bigger than the HTC One m7 and I found that too big

FlipFlopHHJ said:
Heres my take.
The camera is better than z3c when ready but takes so long to launch that the moment is usually gone long before the phone is ready.
Oh and from time to time the camera won't launch because according to the error message some other app is using it. I've only been able to solve that issue by rebooting adding insult to injury for the already ridiculous camera launch times.
Thats really the only advantage.
It gets way hotter and lags like crazy seemingly at random.
My guess is that Snapdragon 810 is just a piece of **** and I hope Sony makes a z6c with 820 which i will happily buy..
I'm so frustrated that Samsung S7 starts to look good but it's bigger than the HTC One m7 and I found that too big
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Try Xperia X Performance

About that auto brightness bug, you guys could try Velis Auto Brightness app from Play Store, works great for me.

- Auto Brightness bug here. (I can't believe I'm using Manual Brightness in a 2015 hi-end phone).
- Poor picture quality with the camera with low or medium light and with close/mid pictures, specially close-ups. (In general, the camera is terrible is the worst thing of this phone, the main reason I can't wait to upgrade the phone. Never used flash in two years with my previous phone with HDR+, now I need flash again to see some details at MEDIUM light!!).
- Performance issues, mainly because of Lollipop. But also they'll need to improve the kernel.
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KingKonga said:
I'll just post my issues with the Z5 Compact:
- Auto-brightness is broken, unlocking the phone with enabled auto-brightness results in a bright display for a couple of seconds --> Sony said that it'll be fixed in the upcoming Marshmallow update
- Lags and inconsistent performance, disabling X-Reality helped a bit. It just doesn't feel like a fast phone, my old HTC One M8 was flying through the system. My brother has a Nexus 6p with the same processor and it feels much smoother, we compared them side by side (opening apps, loading websites).
- Music and Podcasts from different apps (Spotify, Shuttle+, Pocketcasts) are pausing every now and then (already repaired the phone with PC companion and did a manual factory reset, reformatted my external SD card)
- slow camera launch
- it takes a while to look at a taken picture
- active mobile radio bug --> will be fixed in the upcoming Marshmallow update, other Marshmallow phones confirmed that
- slow connection to wifi networks (exclamation mark in the statusbar)
- many bloatware apps from Sony (luckily they can be disabled)
Overall im quite disappointed by this phone because of its lackluster firmware performance. I'm hoping Marshmallow fixes the most annoxing bugs (broken auto-brightness is a pain), if not I'm selling it. I like the slim UI, the design of this phone and the camera. My photos are thankfully not blurred.
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Exactly my thoughts. This is the worst phone you can buy.. Mostly due to software issues.. I was trying to record a video. I opened the app and hit record button and i lost initial 10 seconds of the footage. Thats how worst camera launch time is.
It gets way hotter for everyday tasks. I dont game on my phone still super hot. Lags all the time. Multitasking is terrible. Even if i have 3-4 apps running in background i experienced google maps reloading a couple of times which is terrible.
Wifi is slow as well and music pauses randomly as it wishes. Sometimes bluetooth studdering.. I thought battery life was good initially but it became worse.
This is the worst ever phone from sony. I have a z3c before which is way better despite of its short comings

thanks a lot everyone on your replies i`v read it carefully thanks for helping me to decide <3
after today MWC and the the release of X series and the overpriced phones i think its time to step aside from sony but my heart will always be there Thanks for sharing your experience and being 100% honest
i`ll wait till M.M but its also gonna take few weeks according to sony statement today then i`ll come back here and check your feedback it will help everyone

Tinup93 said:
thanks a lot everyone on your replies i`v read it carefully thanks for helping me to decide <3
after today MWC and the the release of X series and the overpriced phones i think its time to step aside from sony but my heart will always be there Thanks for sharing your experience and being 100% honest
i`ll wait till M.M but its also gonna take few weeks according to sony statement today then i`ll come back here and check your feedback it will help everyone
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if you are going for a Galaxy S6, I'd rather go for a Nexus 5X. You won't have the size and the battery you have with the Z3C....but in everything else is a win. And it's not an expensive phone.
There are no alternatives to the Z5C at the moment in the compact range. It's the only one I'd buy (and I still don't like it).

I don't have lag or overheating. It's quite hot sometimes but still in a manageable level, don't forget every SD810 phone is hot. But I rooted and using Greenify with xposed so I have more free ram than non-root user and I also flashed Tommy-Geenexus's kernel which lower downed the cpu speed to reduce heat. I think MM will improve big.Little cpu for who experienced lag. In my opinions, z1c z5c s6 the battery performance during use is very similar, not as good as z3c but still enough for normal use. My problem on Z5c is battery drain during idle/standby, after flashed the raidoactivefix xposed module been improved but still worse than z1c and s6 at overnight standby.
Some have bluetooth disconnect issues, after used Amplify xposed module to limit a whole beach of wakelock/alarms my Sony MW600 handfree finally suffer from this issue so it may related somethings bad coded to keep DDOS attacking BT devices....lol... On the other hand, my Sony SmartWatch2 seems never get disconnection, maybe smartwatch's cpu is strong enough to defense spam.
What's the most annoyed me is camera. Low light photo is also good but not above 160/200iso range. 200iso already started a bit bad so most people will just said the camera suck. Within 160iso the quality real better than my Z1c, 200 or up my Z1c even performed better in terms of details. My Z1c with 4K mod doing better focus and quality too.
Not real intended to leave Z5c as I like the better screen, white balance and fast focus, I still want to hold Z5c at this time. But since the result is so mixed to me, if MM not fix it, I will stay with Z1c and get some cash back.

I've seen a few issues as well, I've got a white international with no camera blur and no self cracking screen (yet).
I have to have a one thumb phone so my options were limited. I had an s4 mini for going on 3 years, best phone I've ever had. I always wanted to try the z compacts but the z1c didn't have LTE and the z3c had stupid side charging. I gave the z5c a chance with low expectations based on all the negative I heard, and I was still disappointed lol. I will probably be settling with the s5 mini but until I'll be playing with this.
Very short battery life, no replaceable battery, and no wireless charging. Nothing that I didn't know jumping into it but still hard to deal with having to answer calls while on a charger, let alone the heat on my face is almost unbearable at times.
Camera issues are also something I knew before hand, I am coming from an 8mp camera with a broken lens so it's an upgrade to me. But yet the lag has got to be a joke. Right?
Software is kind of cool, reminds me of miui a bit on the notifications, it's miles above touchwiz, and with some xposed tweaks I think I'll really like the home launcher! Root and xposed are a huge deal to me for some of my apps so I'm still carrying my other device for that need while I figure out xposed on the z5 line. I have had a lot of rooted phones and for you guys waiting and relying on a MM update to fix things... I wouldn't and wont be, there will just be new or slightly fixed issues. Happens every time lol
All in all I like the phone, the form is great, button layout I love, and the screen hopefully will not fade out like my other amoleds! Hopefully we can get some cm12 on this platform to play with soon.

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Regarding poor performance of fingerprint sensor it seems, thanks to michal89chz, that I have found a solution. I had tried to re-register fingerprints before without seeing much of a difference. It seems that registering a fingerprint in all kinds of different angles greatly improves the performance of the sensor, now hit rate has gone up from 4/10 to 9/10. If it keeps up take that off the list of complaints. Though Sony ought to have made it clear in the settings when you first register your prints that this procedure is necessary for a good performance.
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Fingerprint sensor has not kept up performance. Just like when phone was new, it works like a charm for a day or two, then regresses badly. I don't know if problem is hardware or software, and don't much care except I guess the latter would be better - if they ever manage to release an update (that actually improves things without introducing more bugs than were fixed...).
Anyway, the sensor now works slightly better than before I re-registered all prints a couple of days ago. Hit rate is somewhere between 5-6/10 depending on angle and finger, but sometimes much worse. Not great. And no, phone or fingers are not grimy. One advantage of water-almost-proofness is you can wash off phone now and again. I'm guessing intent of including fingerprint sensor was not for user to wash fingers and phone before every interaction?

I sorta like that the fingerprint sensor doesn't catch 100% touches because I read about people who were irritated that they were just trying to check the time and every time ended up unlocking the phone. It doesn't happen with me and I'm very happy with it, I can live with the extra half second it takes to try again.

From my point of view, i'd like to agree that some of issues mentioned above are present. Those are:
-Poor camera quality. For me the camera is not an essential feature, so i don't complain, but it is really nowhere near the flagship-quality, imho
-Fingerprint scanner performance. It seems to be extremely sensitive about its own and finger's cleanness. It can work just fine for a half a day and then it suddenly rejects the fingerprint for several times. This is my first and only android-based device with the scanner, so i can't compare with sony's direct competitors, but i never experienced such issues using any of apple devices with fingerprint sensor.
-Auto-brightness issues are completely described in posts above, i totally agree with all that.
-Software was unstable for a couple of months after sales launched. As i said, i don't often use a camera, but there was just one time in autumn when it was necessary for me to record a video. And z5c captured no sound at all. The mic that time was not functional at any applications, and i noticed this an hour later when a person who called me could hear no sound from my side. That was extremely disappointing. Some random reboots were present in early versions of firmware too. It get much better and more stable these days, but some minor software issues can still be noticed now and then.
And then here comes the major issue of them all: z5c just doesn't like winter. It was about -10 celsius outside, and i was there for a couple of hours with a phone in the pocket of my jacket. When i returned home, i saw that the glass on rear panel had a massive crack:
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And this issue with glasses cracking when temperature is low is present on every sony's device with glass on its back since the original xperia z. Every winter there are dozens of reports about glass-related problems on our local pda forums, sony's local office was awared of the problem, so there were hopes that they will fix it in their latest models. Here comes z5, and nothing changed. Those issues are covered by warranty as long as warranty lasts (1 year usually), so i didn't have to pay for the repair, but it took some time to replace the glass.

Luvin' my Z5... no, really!

I haven't found the z5 thread for those of us that are happy with their device, so I am starting one! Most forums, for any phone, fill with issues/questions. Those are certainly helpful, but most devices, even if they do it right, won't get much in the way of positive reviews.
Well, I've had my Z5 for about two weeks, and like other Sony's I've owned, I've found it to be a very solid device. Previous three devices;
LG V10
Motorola Pure
Sony Z3
I've unlocked / rooted and am running MM with no issues. Compared to the V10 / Pure, the size of the Z5 is just about perfect. About the only thing I NEED to do to all my devices is change the DPI and drop the soft keys... build.prop and Xposed to the rescue!
Anyway, hopefully some third party dev stuff comes rolling in ( I selfishly like Slim), and thanks to all those that are actively working on development efforts!

It's a pleasure to use this device, and it's a pleasure to use Marshmallow, which is what Lollipop should have been.

I'm stuck with a locked bootloader , but phones great lol

Some additional things I've grown to like;
1) The power / fingerprint security button is great. I've setup most of the fingers on my right hand to unlock, which makes one hand use a breeze.
2) IMHO, the camera takes great pictures. Not sure if there's RAW mode support....
3) Battery is getting better as I use the phone more, though it's still not as good as the V10. I am mostly a business user.
4) Voice quality is good on both ends of conference calls.
5) Bluetooth seems very stable for me... connecting to both my Infiniti and my BT headset for work calls.
6) Charging is relatively quick with the charger from my Moto Pure.
7) I find, as usual, that the Sony Android build is minimal compared to some others (though not as good as the AOSP Moto).

well after I got my phone back from RMA it has been working flawlessly so ye I'm more than happy Sony, then again I like the brand, still got a sony tv from 1988 and it is still working, no problems

two weeks ago I was at this wedding, where I was the only one that could take photos with my phone, all others were laggy cause of the very low light conditions including samsung and iPhones, I just pressed the shutter in superior auto and this phone didnt let me down, one after another 6 or 7 continuous shots all of'em perfectly visible and ppl starts asking me "The hell of a phone which one is it?" proudly Z5

Thanks for this thread, it is refreshing to read more positive stuff about this phone as opposed to the hoards of negativity and hate that is present in these forums.
After I initially had issues with my Sony Xperia Z5 (mainly on lollipop), currently with MM my phone is excellent. The only complaint I have is that I still am plagued by the mobile radio active bug, but I don't think it actually consumes more battery and is instead just an error reading bug that gives misleading battery information when on 3G/4G.
For me, my battery life is great and I can easily go 2 days with a full charge. No Bluetooth issues anymore. Standby time is superb. My device does not overheat at all, even with extended usage browsing web or watching YouTube it just gets warm. And finally the camera is just amazing.
Coming from a Z1 this device is the perfect size and the fact that Sony managed to make it smaller, thinner, lighter and include a larger screen size is commendable. Design wise, for me personally, the Z5 is simply beautiful. I love the feel of the matte glass back and how nice it feels in the hand, it truly is one of the best looking devices currently available.

Where are the positive experiences?

I've been reading up about the Z5C because it's the only small yet powerful android phone currently on the market. Of course I always check XDA for root/rom/support experiences, and here I mostly see negative experiences. So many people are saying this is their last Xperia or that if the new Android M doesn't fix it's issues then they're going to switch to different phone, etc. This disheartens me greatly because I see no other viable option for a new sub-5 inch phone. I currently have a 1st gen Moto X - XT1053 Dev Edition. I love the phone and everything about it, but it's getting to be a bit slow with 2013 hardware running 2016 apps, and I think I will need an upgrade by 2017. I would buy another Motorola, but Lenovo has decided that Motorola should only make shovel sized phones (which goes against everything in Motorola's original vision.)
So where does that leave us who don't like gargantuan phones but still want a quality device? Do I wait and see if fixes come for the Z5C memory leak, stuttering, and its other issues? A few people report that their phone doesn't have these issues, do I gamble and hope I get a good one like that? Is there some other small form Andriod smartphone out there that I should consider? Or do I give up and get a 5+ inch device? It seems the Samsung G6 or G7 would be the next smallest option.
I would love to hear everyone's thoughts and comments on this.

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I've been reading up about the Z5C because it's the only small yet powerful android phone currently on the market. Of course I always check XDA for root/rom/support experiences, and here I mostly see negative experiences. So many people are saying this is their last Xperia or that if the new Android M doesn't fix it's issues then they're going to switch to different phone, etc. This disheartens me greatly because I see no other viable option for a new sub-5 inch phone. I currently have a 1st gen Moto X - XT1053 Dev Edition. I love the phone and everything about it, but it's getting to be a bit slow with 2013 hardware running 2016 apps, and I think I will need an upgrade by 2017. I would buy another Motorola, but Lenovo has decided that Motorola should only make shovel sized phones (which goes against everything in Motorola's original vision.)
So where does that leave us who don't like gargantuan phones but still want a quality device? Do I wait and see if fixes come for the Z5C memory leak, stuttering, and its other issues? A few people report that their phone doesn't have these issues, do I gamble and hope I get a good one like that? Is there some other small form Andriod smartphone out there that I should consider? Or do I give up and get a 5+ inch device? It seems the Samsung G6 or G7 would be the next smallest option.
I would love to hear everyone's thoughts and comments on this.
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You ever consider the Z3 Compact? Or you picky on year and specs?

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You ever consider the Z3 Compact? Or you picky on year and specs?
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I'm picky on specs... Though I did consider it today and I watched several Z3C vs Z5C videos. I like it except that it's only one year newer/faster than my current phone, and it's only available in 16GB. My Moto X, being the Dev Edition, is a 32GB and it's usually full. the Z3C has an SD card slot, but not everything can go on an SD. If I was going to go with a Snapdragon 801 phone from 2014 I'd probably choose the Moto X 2nd gen and give a little on size to retain the seriously awesome Moto Display capability.

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I'm picky on specs... Though I did consider it today and I watched several Z3C vs Z5C videos. I like it except that it's only one year newer/faster than my current phone, and it's only available in 16GB. My Moto X, being the Dev Edition, is a 32GB and it's usually full. the Z3C has an SD card slot, but not everything can go on an SD. If I was going to go with a Snapdragon 801 phone from 2014 I'd probably choose the Moto X 2nd gen and give a little on size to retain the seriously awesome Moto Display capability.
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Well theres really isn't anything bad about the Z5 compact.....tho ppl complain about it being overheat and camera being not good, if those things is not an issue to you, then yea the z5 compact is a great phone, i say go for it, been having updates since it just had a update last two days ago

I know where you're coming from. My LG G2 has been getting really slow so I've been wanting a new phone,, but I really don't want a phablet. So I got the z5 compact (international model). It's ok. It isn't everything I hoped. The idle battery life sucks (it loses 1% per hour where as my g2 would only lose 1% every 8 hours. That makes it pretty much a 1 day phone, not 2 for most people I would imagine. And the fingerprint scanner seems to be a piece of garbage. It doesn't work 70% of the time. Other than that the phone is good. It's fast, the screen can get very bright. Obviously waterproof. So yeah, not the battery life king that the z3 compact used to be, and the fingerprint scanner might as well not exist. I bought a nexus 6p - I know I know, it's a phablet and I said I didn't want one - just to test ( I will most likely return it before the 15 day return policy) but I can't tell you how nice it is to have a fingerprint scanner that works 100% of the time and is accessible with both hands. I'm hoping the update that is just now rolling out fixes the fingerprint scanner if possible. So those are my thoughts.

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Well theres really isn't anything bad about the Z5 compact.....tho ppl complain about it being overheat and camera being not good, if those things is not an issue to you, then yea the z5 compact is a great phone, i say go for it, been having updates since it just had a update last two days ago
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Heat isn't an issue because I don't do anything intensive for long periods of time, like gaming. The camera I don't know about. My Moto X camera is ok, my Galaxy S3 camera was good, but that's all I've got to compare to. So maybe if I never had a better one I won't notice.
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I know where you're coming from. My LG G2 has been getting really slow so I've been wanting a new phone,, but I really don't want a phablet. So I got the z5 compact (international model). It's ok. It isn't everything I hoped. The idle battery life sucks (it loses 1% per hour where as my g2 would only lose 1% every 8 hours. That makes it pretty much a 1 day phone, not 2 for most people I would imagine. And the fingerprint scanner seems to be a piece of garbage. It doesn't work 70% of the time. Other than that the phone is good. It's fast, the screen can get very bright. Obviously waterproof. So yeah, not the battery life king that the z3 compact used to be, and the fingerprint scanner might as well not exist. I bought a nexus 6p - I know I know, it's a phablet and I said I didn't want one - just to test ( I will most likely return it before the 15 day return policy) but I can't tell you how nice it is to have a fingerprint scanner that works 100% of the time and is accessible with both hands. I'm hoping the update that is just now rolling out fixes the fingerprint scanner if possible. So those are my thoughts.
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I also tried out a phablet, the Asus Zenfone 2. Really awesome phone, but awesomely huge as well. 64GB, 4GB ram, 4 Intel Atom cores, dual sim, SD slot, fully unlockable. I figured if I was going to go big, why not get crazy with specs too. While it performed great and had every option available, it was just too big. I felt like I was pulling out a ham sandwich to make a phone call. I could barely reach the power button one-handed, never mind navigate it one-handed. But my friend was enamored with it, so I sold it to him, and I'm on the hunt again.
The battery life could be an issue. Usually I end up with around 30% left on my Moto, but sometimes I'll have to use it a lot more than normal and hit single digits by the end of the day. I've never had it die on me though. I've heard mixed reviews about the fingerprint scanner ranging from "ok", to "crap." But I don't have one now, so I won't miss it if I don't use it, right? What I'll miss is the Moto Display where it semi-wakes when you pick it up or take it out of your pocket or get a notification. No other phones wake/unlock feature can hold a candle to that.
The thing that concerns me most is the RAM leak that people talk about and the stuttering. A lot of people complain that they have to restart their phone from once a day to once every 3-4 days to restore it's speed. Otherwise it starts to choke even with just one app open. Something about app caching or precaching or whatever, I can't remember. That would be a HUGE problem for me. I want a phone that's as fast today as it was a week ago when I turned it on. Even Windows doesn't have that problem anymore. And stuttering when swiping and/or moving from app to app. That would feel gheto, like I've got a $29 phone from Walmart. If I'm going to pay several hundred bucks for a phone, it needs to move like a several hundred dollar phone. My Moto is still smooth, even when it's loading or navigating a heavy app. It's just a little pokey about it sometimes.
I really appreciate your input guys. It helps substantially because no one I know AFK knows squat about phones.

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Heat isn't an issue because I don't do anything intensive for long periods of time, like gaming. The camera I don't know about. My Moto X camera is ok, my Galaxy S3 camera was good, but that's all I've got to compare to. So maybe if I never had a better one I won't notice.
I also tried out a phablet, the Asus Zenfone 2. Really awesome phone, but awesomely huge as well. 64GB, 4GB ram, 4 Intel Atom cores, dual sim, SD slot, fully unlockable. I figured if I was going to go big, why not get crazy with specs too. While it performed great and had every option available, it was just too big. I felt like I was pulling out a ham sandwich to make a phone call. I could barely reach the power button one-handed, never mind navigate it one-handed. But my friend was enamored with it, so I sold it to him, and I'm on the hunt again.
The battery life could be an issue. Usually I end up with around 30% left on my Moto, but sometimes I'll have to use it a lot more than normal and hit single digits by the end of the day. I've never had it die on me though. I've heard mixed reviews about the fingerprint scanner ranging from "ok", to "crap." But I don't have one now, so I won't miss it if I don't use it, right? What I'll miss is the Moto Display where it semi-wakes when you pick it up or take it out of your pocket or get a notification. No other phones wake/unlock feature can hold a candle to that.
The thing that concerns me most is the RAM leak that people talk about and the stuttering. A lot of people complain that they have to restart their phone from once a day to once every 3-4 days to restore it's speed. Otherwise it starts to choke even with just one app open. Something about app caching or precaching or whatever, I can't remember. That would be a HUGE problem for me. I want a phone that's as fast today as it was a week ago when I turned it on. Even Windows doesn't have that problem anymore. And stuttering when swiping and/or moving from app to app. That would feel gheto, like I've got a $29 phone from Walmart. If I'm going to pay several hundred bucks for a phone, it needs to move like a several hundred dollar phone. My Moto is still smooth, even when it's loading or navigating a heavy app. It's just a little pokey about it sometimes.
I really appreciate your input guys. It helps substantially because no one I know AFK knows squat about phones.
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You just need to realize that no phone is perfect....all phones has its pros and cons, kinda wish there was more small phones but nowadays its always big phones big phones big phones which is very annoying, but hey welcome to history of technology, it keeps improving every year

Most people come to these forums to fix problems or discuss issues so there won't be a lot of positive threads. But then again there's not much nice to say about the z5c lol if you can live with side charging go with the z3c. The xperia line has a lot of users that are too scared to root so the development is really slim. The z3c is at a more of a mature state than the z5c so it's your best bet.

I guess I just don't understand where did this problem of the phone being slow comes from. Because if there's anything positive that I can say about the Z5 compact that is that it is super fast and I am currently using a Nexus 6p which arguably is the fastest Android experience you can get and the Z5 compact doesn't feel any slower to me. I guess the camera is probably slower because I have noticed it take a half second longer to open than I would expect it and the photos take about a second to 2 seconds to fully load but really other than that the phone is blazing fast in my opinion.

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Most people come to these forums to fix problems or discuss issues so there won't be a lot of positive threads. But then again there's not much nice to say about the z5c lol if you can live with side charging go with the z3c. The xperia line has a lot of users that are too scared to root so the development is really slim. The z3c is at a more of a mature state than the z5c so it's your best bet.
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I don't mind the side charge, but with only 16GB, it's a step down from what I have now in terms of storage. It's also 2 years old and I'm looking for something a little newer. If you go to other forums, there are a larger percentage of people talking about how they love their phone in spite of some issue they created or something they're trying to achieve or fix. I've seen users on the Moto X forum state that they'll give up their phone when someone pries it from their cold dead hands. Others have wept when their phone was irreparably damaged. I've seen the same thing said about the LG G2. You are quite correct about older phones being in a more mature state though. The S6/S7 don't have a Cyanogen build available yet, and neither does the Z5C. But the Z3C does.
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I guess I just don't understand where did this problem of the phone being slow comes from. Because if there's anything positive that I can say about the Z5 compact that is that it is super fast and I am currently using a Nexus 6p which arguably is the fastest Android experience you can get and the Z5 compact doesn't feel any slower to me. I guess the camera is probably slower because I have noticed it take a half second longer to open than I would expect it and the photos take about a second to 2 seconds to fully load but really other than that the phone is blazing fast in my opinion.
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It's not that the Z5C is slow all together, the complaints I've been reading are that it slows down after a few days of use due to an issue with the RAM not clearing properly. Everyone says a restart fixes/clears the issue till it builds up again. Sorta like Windows 98. If you don't restart your Z5C for a week, does it still feel just as fast as your Nexus?

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It's not that the Z5C is slow all together, the complaints I've been reading are that it slows down after a few days of use due to an issue with the RAM not clearing properly. Everyone says a restart fixes/clears the issue till it builds up again. Sorta like Windows 98. If you don't restart your Z5C for a week, does it still feel just as fast as your Nexus?
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I can't say that mine doesn't slow down somewhat after a week or so, but I've never had it happen to the point it is unusable. I've gone weeks without a restart with no real problems. I've noticed that it does slow down some, but nothing that I can't live with. And even with a slowdown, are you so in need of being connected 24/7 that you can't take the a minute periodically to reboot?
I've read some varying reports that the 6.0.1 update improves the memory management, and at least helps this issue. However, I haven't had a chance to use flashtool to update yet, so I can't say for sure.
The Z5 Compact (mine at least) does have a bit of the 810 overheating problem. The only time it impacted anything for me, I had been setting in a hot car and then tried to use the camera. I got the 'overheating... camera will close' message. I had that happen to me a few times on the Z3 compact the didn't have the Snapdragon 810 SOC.
Battery life isn't awesome, but then again I'm not really a power user. Little gaming, little social media checking, etc... I work in a location with no signal at all for the phone. It spends almost all of the day trying to connect. I generally go out to the car at lunch for a little while, but that is about all the time it is connected during the day. I don't think it has ever actually died on me doing this. If it has, it was maybe once.
When I'm somewhere that has signal all day, I've never had an issue unless I'm using navigation a lot, or something similar.
I've tried a few other phones over the last few years, and even if they have worked well they are just too freaking big. I've stuck with the Xperia compacts because they are the only <5" phone that offers true flagship specs.
Just my two cents. You're mileage may vary. If you get it and hate it, please don't blame me.

Look if you're happy, you're not gonna bother posting about it. That's human nature. There are a lot of happy users like me who don't have anything to complain about. People will only open a thread or comment if they run into a problem. Anyway, this phone has been fantastic for me since 6.0 update. And now after the 6.0.1 update, the camera starts almost instantly. So I can finally say that this was a worthwhile investment from my part.
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i have z5c 3 months now, using MM and don't have any problems, using my phone for photos, navigation and regular calls and so on, last night i was travel with car, navigation was on 3,5 hours ( connected on charger ), phone was hot but didn't FC navigation and did't have any problems, but when i took it in my hands it was hot, checked temp and it was 42 C, so nothing to wory about, battery life depends how you use it, i can make whole day and before bed time i have over 50% left, but if i use wifi while in bed that 50% will be gone in 2 hours, i never tried on this phone but on my work phone( only calls and sms, data turned off) htc 320 battery last over 15 days in standby without problems, back on topic, camera is great for me, clear nice colors and 4k video recording is great, really can't find anything bed in this phone, if you wanna be sure battery would last whole day charge it over night

The z5c with MM is a very fast and capable multitasker.
The only negative is the camera really isn't a comparison to its competitors.
Sony sent the z5c out with an utterly p!ss poor Lollipop firmware. You can trust those review you've read at that point the z5c "was" an utter disgrace and let a complete let down.
However since MM the device is as you'd have expected it to be. It's a performer and a half.
Again it's only the sub par camera quality that negates away from an almost legendary device.
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I don't mind the side charge, but with only 16GB, it's a step down from what I have now in terms of storage. It's also 2 years old and I'm looking for something a little newer. If you go to other forums, there are a larger percentage of people talking about how they love their phone in spite of some issue they created or something they're trying to achieve or fix. I've seen users on the Moto X forum state that they'll give up their phone when someone pries it from their cold dead hands. Others have wept when their phone was irreparably damaged. I've seen the same thing said about the LG G2. You are quite correct about older phones being in a more mature state though. The S6/S7 don't have a Cyanogen build available yet, and neither does the Z5C. But the Z3C does.
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Ive never come close to running out of 16gb on internal storage on any phone ive ever had and I've got two grand theft auto installed. I put everything on a 200gb sd, I can't stand a phone without SD slots lol
I agree with other forums showing more love, this is the third Sony phone I've tried over the years and the third one that I have very little nice things to say about it. But the z5c forums have only just started to take off since the US release, it was real real dead before that.

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I don't mind the side charge, but with only 16GB, it's a step down from what I have now in terms of storage. It's also 2 years old and I'm looking for something a little newer. If you go to other forums, there are a larger percentage of people talking about how they love their phone in spite of some issue they created or something they're trying to achieve or fix. I've seen users on the Moto X forum state that they'll give up their phone when someone pries it from their cold dead hands. Others have wept when their phone was irreparably damaged. I've seen the same thing said about the LG G2. You are quite correct about older phones being in a more mature state though. The S6/S7 don't have a Cyanogen build available yet, and neither does the Z5C. But the Z3C does.
It's not that the Z5C is slow all together, the complaints I've been reading are that it slows down after a few days of use due to an issue with the RAM not clearing properly. Everyone says a restart fixes/clears the issue till it builds up again. Sorta like Windows 98. If you don't restart your Z5C for a week, does it still feel just as fast as your Nexus?
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Yeah in my opinion the phone is still as fast and I do not have to reboot every week or whatever. I would still say that it remains as fast and doesn't seem to slow down at all in my opinion. My sister also has the Z5 Compact and she also does not notice any slowdowns of any sort and doesn't have to reboot regularly and the only does it if necessary while changing SIM cards or something.
So again my main gripes with this phone are the idle battery life which I can live with even though it's really annoying, but the fingerprint scanner is just not good in my opinion. Especially after using a nice one that works every time and seamlessly and it's just so effortless, it's really hard to use this when it screws up more than half the time it feels like. However my sister's Z5 compact fingerprint scanner seems to be a little bit better, I don't understand why. The difference only is that she has the black model and I have the white one and I know that there was an issue with the screen not responding to touch properly when the phones first came out just for the white model so maybe there's a difference in the hardware of the fingerprint scanner as well.

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I've been reading up about the Z5C because it's the only small yet powerful android phone currently on the market. Of course I always check XDA for root/rom/support experiences, and here I mostly see negative experiences. So many people are saying this is their last Xperia or that if the new Android M doesn't fix it's issues then they're going to switch to different phone, etc. This disheartens me greatly because I see no other viable option for a new sub-5 inch phone. I currently have a 1st gen Moto X - XT1053 Dev Edition. I love the phone and everything about it, but it's getting to be a bit slow with 2013 hardware running 2016 apps, and I think I will need an upgrade by 2017. I would buy another Motorola, but Lenovo has decided that Motorola should only make shovel sized phones (which goes against everything in Motorola's original vision.)
So where does that leave us who don't like gargantuan phones but still want a quality device? Do I wait and see if fixes come for the Z5C memory leak, stuttering, and its other issues? A few people report that their phone doesn't have these issues, do I gamble and hope I get a good one like that? Is there some other small form Andriod smartphone out there that I should consider? Or do I give up and get a 5+ inch device? It seems the Samsung G6 or G7 would be the next smallest option.
I would love to hear everyone's thoughts and comments on this.
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Bear in mind that people who don't have problems have little reason to post on forums.
I went from a XT1058 to a discounted Nexus 5 to a Z5C and have been mostly happy.
The only issues I've had:
- Phone app crashes after a call ends when using Android Auto
- Camera app is a little slow to launch
- No "active display" (i.e. google's equivalent of moto display)
- Absolutely needs a case as it's too slippery to use bare (unlike the Moto X)
- Phone gets really warm after using it with Android Auto

Really after Mm update z5c is blazing fast, no complains what so ever when it comes to performance. Sometimes it gets a bit hot, but nothing to be concerned about. And I don't know why everyone complaints about fingereader, it works 95 proc of time for me. I register same finger three times. I don't really use camera that much, but it opens super fast for me, but even I can tell quality is not great. At least auto mode.

My experience with this device has been mostly a pleasant one. One of the previous poster mentioned that no device is perfect and this one is no different. You will always find something that you feel the manufacturer didn't get right. The gripes I have with this device:
- Slow camera app. (Also, I can't find a burst mode...is there one?)
- Wi-Fi connection when the phone is sleeping (this is sometime-y)
- Some of the Sony apps are useless
The positives:
- Size size size
- Fingerprint scanner is fast (not iPhone fast, but fast)
- Battery life is nice. I've gotten 2 1/2 days (mostly idle time. On screen was about 3hrs)
- Playing hi-res music (subjective...well, I guess all of this is subjective)
- The 820 is a great piece of silicone (it would be extraordinary if not for the occasional heat)
- SD card slot (and the ability to use it to back up your settings)
- The diagnostic tool in the "About Phone" section
- Front facing speakers. Not going to blow your mind, but they're facing you..not away.
I know there are more that I'm missing but the point is that it's been positive. I'm not a big fan of MM, but that is a different story.
Scribe'd on my everlasting Z5C

I dont recomend the z5c at all, i use it for working, and the phone really struggles with facebook pages, youtube, Chrome, facebook, Messenger and WhatsApp all the time receiving notifications and messeges.
The phone overheats to the point that everything lags like a 2008 Android phone.
When i play real Racing 3, i always have couple of Ice cube close to me, for let my phone cools down to avoid lag while playing.
Dont buy it, go for a nexus or Samsung, and sacrifice the size thing, and remember ALWAYS AN ALUMINUM PHONE WILL HAVE LESS HEAT ISSUES THAN A GLASS P PHONE, BECAUSE OF HEAT DISCIPATION.

Overall love

Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Sony Xperia XZ1 Compact, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Sony Xperia XZ1 Compact is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

i must say im a little annoyed the back of the phone vibrates when using speakers (music/audio), but overall happy with my purchase!

i am pretty happy with the phone. i definitely feel like i got what i paid for. performance is great. size is perfect. build feels strong. screen is plenty sharp. battery life is great. i like the design a lot more than i thought i would. i've found that i actually prefer the fiberglass to metal. all around a very functional device, even for a power user like myself.
camera is good enough. i am coming from an s8, so i know where this camera is lacking. it is not as bad as the nay-sayers are nay-saying. it's easy to get lost in the fine details coming from something like an s8, but ultimately if you care that much about photography you should be carrying a camera. the distortion mentioned elsewhere is there, but only under certain circumstance. the distortion will only be an issue if you need pictures of brick walls or checkerboards to be accurate. it is not apparent with everyday people/pet/place pictures. selfie camera is good. the wide angle on it makes selfies much easier than ever before.
i expected the speakers to be louder, based on some reviews and specs i saw, but they are definitely loud enough. the stereo sound is very clear, meaning i don't have to crank it up to hear as much. s8 was a hair louder, but sound quality was terrible on s8 (like, 'shame on you' terrible, sammy).
android O is fantastic. i call it a step in the right direction. power management seems to have taken a large step forward.
i wish the theming platform was more extensive. most of the themes only provide a wallpaper. i would like to darken the menus (like settings) to save my eyes. i have no idea why android is still defaulting to bright, bright white after all these years. bad for the eyes, and the battery.
all-around love is at a 9/10.

I give it 4 stars.. I still have the Z5C in my mind, except for that disgraceful SD810. To me, the XZ1C doesn't feel or look as good as the Z5C did. It looks bigger and heavier than I expected. The buttons are not as clicky as I wish they were. Other than that, I love it. There's nothing that comes even close to it today.

Best smartphone for me.
Fits my small hands.
Fast, not much bloatware. It feels as responsive as the first pixel phone. I'm impressed.
I'm really glad that SONY brought back the flagship phone in a compact body.
I've previously owned a Z3c, and I loved it. I then went on to a Samsung phone (GS7), and now I'm glad to be back using a SONY compact phone.
I really appreciate that SONY made key improvements over the Z3c. No more plastic flap to access the usb port, louder speakers, and better camera.
It's close to being the perfect phone, to me.

Pros
+good size
+Very good battery life
+Nice figerprint placement
+Nice screen
+Good speaker
+Nice design sim slot and sd card slot( no need paper clip)
+ Ip65/68
+ Very durable( dropped mine 2m accidently and survived)
+Love the dedicated camera button but very hard to not shake the camera when pressed
+Nicely placed nfc symbol
+Phone stays cool
+3.5mm jack
Cons:
-3.5mm jack is not loud enough
-speakeris good for music but not human voice
-microphone didn't work well in loud area
-Cant slow down vibration
-Fingerprint not always recognized
-Small electicity when charging near top
-nofm radio
-noir blaster
-noremoveable battery
-nodual sim
-notall preinstalled software can be disabled
-updateis not for everyone
-worsesignal than other flagship
-nogalileo support g8441 sg
-left and right of the screen is less sensitive(potrait mode)

After having this phone for a while I think I'm ready to do a summary.
Pros:
+Great performance, especially in 3D intensive games thanks to 720p
+Pixel density is good enough that it doesn't bother me. About the same as iPhones and the colors are very nice for a LCD panel
+Stereo speakers are balanced enough, sound pretty good. Not as loud as some other phones but loud enough for me.
+Fingerprint scanner is fast! (See cons)
+Strongest build of any phone I've owned. This thing feels indestructible even without a case.
+Looks are very subjective but I think this phone looks awesome
+Battery lasts forever, I get about 8h sot with heavy use
+Just the right size, every inch of the screen is in thumbs reach
Cons:
-Camera just doesn't cut it for a flagship. 960fps recording is next to useless, you can only record a few seconds of slow mo at a time, and the timing is very hit and miss (Seems to be a random delay sometimes). Low light performance is terrible. Now RAW support. In usual Sony fashion the camera is the worst part of the hardware.
-3D scanner is just pointless bloat.
-Fingerprint scanner is too fast. It's almost impossible to just check your lockscreen
-Sony's firmware getting dumbed down. We need double tap to wake on this phone. There was zero reason to drop this feature. The fact that core Oreo features like fingerprint gestures are missing on the first phone to launch with it kind of sucks.
-Sony's support is garbage and they talk to you like you're an idiot.
-Crippled bootloader. Sony haven't been kind with DRM this time. There isn't even a warning on their website about what this can do to your camera. I think that is unnecessarily cruel on their part.

I agree with almost everything above but about the fingerprint. If I want to check notifications but without unlocking it, u just use another finger. Very simple man...
The thing that really annoys me is that Sony still didn't fix the Smart Lock blank bug. But I'm having doubts at this point: this is probably a Google problem, since One Plus users also had this bug for months but then a Google update solved the problem...

This phone is unique. All newer phones is biger and biger and never stop to grow. Biger screens with biger consumation. Biger battery. And total uncofortable for dynamic usage. Only Sony make phone for dynamic people. Bravo!

Good small phone with some big firmware issues
A bit of history:
Nexus 4: Loved this phone and was very sad when it jumped out of my pocked and shattered on the garage floor
Galaxy S5 (Exynos): I hated this phone with a burning passion. It is huge. Touchwiz is absolutely awful. There are some good ROMs out there, but you get weird issues, (like the one ROM where the camera would crop images to a square in portrait mode), and random crashes. The final straw was when I turned off the phone at a movie (completely off, not just screen-off), and discovered that the battery had dropped from 40% to 11%, over two hours, while off. It then crashed on the homescreen, and did it's best impression of a hot-plate. That being said, it is a seriously well built, solid, indestructible phone, physically.
I immediately ordered this phone, and have had it for two weeks. I am in the US, which seems to have received the September firmware update in the third week of January. I put the latest GEL firmware on it over the weekend, which swapped some problems for others.
Xperia XZ1 Compact:
Pros:
size - it's ridiculous this is considered a "compact" phone, but it's a nice size. I read a lot of ebooks on my phone, so was a bit worried I might not like going back to a smaller phone, but I could still go smaller, if such a thing existed. I do admit, though, that the keyboard is slightly cramped in portrait orientation.
build quality - Feels solid, other than the screen - see "Mehs"
industrial design - I like the look. "It's very square," is a common comment, but I like that it's different from every other phone.
stock ROM - it's not perfect, but I feel no need to replace it. It's rather shocking that I haven't even felt the need to root it
headphone jack - missing it would probably not be a dealbreaker, but I would have looked at alternatives a lot more
firmware is close to stock
Cons:
firmware update situation - WTF Sony? (for the record, I am in the US) Since we got the September update in January, does this mean we get the October one in July?
the camera is absolutely awful. Not just bad. It's awful.
Bluetooth - streaming to a speaker works fine. Definitely some issues with control and media information with the headset in the car. GEL firmware seems to have helped a bit, and I'll try tweaking the AVRCP version in the Developer settings, like suggested in one of the posts
wifi - The US firmware has problems with things like walls, doors, windows, people and air, getting between the phone and the WAP. GEL firmware seems to have fixed all of the problems, but this should be in the released firmware.
Smartlock - oh, that's what all of the "SmartLock screen is blank" messages mean. SmartLock works fine with the US firmware. With GEL, not only is the settings screen for it blank, it doesn't work at all - not even if previously set up. That being said, I'll take wifi that stays connected when I breathe out a bit too hard, over not having to put in my pin code when I pick the phone up.
Mehs:
The screen is very mushy. It moves a lot when you press it. I thought it had to be my imagination, at first, but you can see reflected light warp around your finger when you touch the screen, if you put the phone on a stable surface. I got used to it, but it was disconcerting at first.
Bezels are not bad, could be smaller - especially wehn compared with other current phones. I've gotten used to having on-screen button again, but there is plenty of room to have them off-screen in the gap to the bottom speaker.
stock apps - these are never ideal, but they are easy to find and get rid of with ADB. Most are unobtrusive, but Facebook, and that Xperia News thing had to go
fingerprint reader - I don't use it, so I don't care much. I hear it works great if you have non-US firmware
merged storage - The build-in storage is big enough, so I don't miss it much, but it's weird that it's only accessible through adb (I hear - haven't gone looking for it, yet)
non-replaceable battery - technically, this is not good, but I have never wanted to replace the battery on a previous phone, so...
The Xperia firmware is close enough to stock that I don't feel an immediate need to replace it, or even root it. It seems that one of the reasons to stay with official firmware is the DRM-signed drivers. What are these for other than the camera? I supposed going from pixellated, mis-coloured **** for pictures to blurry, mis-coloured **** is technically a degradation, but I already wouldn't want to use the camera for anything other than a necessary snap of a car license plate.
Anyway. I like the phone. I am mostly happy with it and have no intention of retrieving the Galaxy S5 back from my son. The hardware is solid (is the camera problem HW or SW?). User experience of the software is good. My runner-up when purchasing this was the Essential PH-1, and I don't feel like I should have gone for that one instead. At least, yet. I can't recommend the XZ1-Compact 100%, but for somebody who wants a small phone, doesn't need a camera and can live with the firmware issues, it is definitely worth looking at. If you don't live in the US, or the idea of flashing your firmware doesn't freak you out, it seems that Sony releases regular updates. Hopefully in the next month or two, they can release a firmware that can do both SmarkLock and wifi, at the same time.

snwokeep said:
A bit of history:
Nexus 4: Loved this phone and was very sad when it jumped out of my pocked and shattered on the garage floor
Galaxy S5 (Exynos): I hated this phone with a burning passion. It is huge. Touchwiz is absolutely awful. There are some good ROMs out there, but you get weird issues, (like the one ROM where the camera would crop images to a square in portrait mode), and random crashes. The final straw was when I turned off the phone at a movie (completely off, not just screen-off), and discovered that the battery had dropped from 40% to 11%, over two hours, while off. It then crashed on the homescreen, and did it's best impression of a hot-plate. That being said, it is a seriously well built, solid, indestructible phone, physically.
I immediately ordered this phone, and have had it for two weeks. I am in the US, which seems to have received the September firmware update in the third week of January. I put the latest GEL firmware on it over the weekend, which swapped some problems for others.
Xperia XZ1 Compact:
Pros:
size - it's ridiculous this is considered a "compact" phone, but it's a nice size. I read a lot of ebooks on my phone, so was a bit worried I might not like going back to a smaller phone, but I could still go smaller, if such a thing existed. I do admit, though, that the keyboard is slightly cramped in portrait orientation.
build quality - Feels solid, other than the screen - see "Mehs"
industrial design - I like the look. "It's very square," is a common comment, but I like that it's different from every other phone.
stock ROM - it's not perfect, but I feel no need to replace it. It's rather shocking that I haven't even felt the need to root it
headphone jack - missing it would probably not be a dealbreaker, but I would have looked at alternatives a lot more
firmware is close to stock
Cons:
firmware update situation - WTF Sony? (for the record, I am in the US) Since we got the September update in January, does this mean we get the October one in July?
the camera is absolutely awful. Not just bad. It's awful.
Bluetooth - streaming to a speaker works fine. Definitely some issues with control and media information with the headset in the car. GEL firmware seems to have helped a bit, and I'll try tweaking the AVRCP version in the Developer settings, like suggested in one of the posts
wifi - The US firmware has problems with things like walls, doors, windows, people and air, getting between the phone and the WAP. GEL firmware seems to have fixed all of the problems, but this should be in the released firmware.
Smartlock - oh, that's what all of the "SmartLock screen is blank" messages mean. SmartLock works fine with the US firmware. With GEL, not only is the settings screen for it blank, it doesn't work at all - not even if previously set up. That being said, I'll take wifi that stays connected when I breathe out a bit too hard, over not having to put in my pin code when I pick the phone up.
Mehs:
The screen is very mushy. It moves a lot when you press it. I thought it had to be my imagination, at first, but you can see reflected light warp around your finger when you touch the screen, if you put the phone on a stable surface. I got used to it, but it was disconcerting at first.
Bezels are not bad, could be smaller - especially wehn compared with other current phones. I've gotten used to having on-screen button again, but there is plenty of room to have them off-screen in the gap to the bottom speaker.
stock apps - these are never ideal, but they are easy to find and get rid of with ADB. Most are unobtrusive, but Facebook, and that Xperia News thing had to go
fingerprint reader - I don't use it, so I don't care much. I hear it works great if you have non-US firmware
merged storage - The build-in storage is big enough, so I don't miss it much, but it's weird that it's only accessible through adb (I hear - haven't gone looking for it, yet)
non-replaceable battery - technically, this is not good, but I have never wanted to replace the battery on a previous phone, so...
The Xperia firmware is close enough to stock that I don't feel an immediate need to replace it, or even root it. It seems that one of the reasons to stay with official firmware is the DRM-signed drivers. What are these for other than the camera? I supposed going from pixellated, mis-coloured **** for pictures to blurry, mis-coloured **** is technically a degradation, but I already wouldn't want to use the camera for anything other than a necessary snap of a car license plate.
Anyway. I like the phone. I am mostly happy with it and have no intention of retrieving the Galaxy S5 back from my son. The hardware is solid (is the camera problem HW or SW?). User experience of the software is good. My runner-up when purchasing this was the Essential PH-1, and I don't feel like I should have gone for that one instead. At least, yet. I can't recommend the XZ1-Compact 100%, but for somebody who wants a small phone, doesn't need a camera and can live with the firmware issues, it is definitely worth looking at. If you don't live in the US, or the idea of flashing your firmware doesn't freak you out, it seems that Sony releases regular updates. Hopefully in the next month or two, they can release a firmware that can do both SmarkLock and wifi, at the same time.
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Nice review.
Camera problem is fixed in the new firmware. That said I've noticed that you have to keep the camera extreamly still to beable to get a good picture. Best with tripod.
I registerted an account on the Sony forum to raise the issue of firmware rollout, thinking that someone from Sony might actually read it. Both of the threads I started were deleted by the moderator as 'unhelpful'.
Smartlock is alegedly fixed in Oreo 8.1.
Thanks

Didgesteve said:
Nice review.
Camera problem is fixed in the new firmware. That said I've noticed that you have to keep the camera extreamly still to beable to get a good picture. Best with tripod.
I registerted an account on the Sony forum to raise the issue of firmware rollout, thinking that someone from Sony might actually read it. Both of the threads I started were deleted by the moderator as 'unhelpful'.
Smartlock is alegedly fixed in Oreo 8.1.
Thanks
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Wow. If this is fixed, I'm glad I didn't try the camera before I switched the firmware to the latest. If I need to carry a tripod, I may as well take the point-n-shoot, instead. I'll try some non-stock camera apps tonight during my son's soccer practice to see if I can get any improvement. Good to hear that SmartLock is coming back in 8.1. Looks like we should get it in the next month or two.

Hi there all, sorry if I post in the wrong section.
I really into this phone because only Sony that offers compact size phone nowaday. I want to go for xz2 compact but the price still high besides I really doesn't like the design of xz2 compact, so this phone is only my option or stay with my mi5 longer with awful GPS. But I want to ask before decide to go for it.
1. Is it worth buy this phone right now? Because I read some WiFi problems with the phone firmware and still no fix til now. I don't really care about gaming, I just need fast, all functional phone with compact size and good GPS performance.
2. Is it true that Sony phone especially this phone will lose the camera quality if we unlock bootloader and install root? Cause I can't live without root. I use root for some adblock and kernel tuning.
Thank you very much everyone. I'll really appreciate any answers.

Ad.1 If you buy it and have constant problems with WiFi - just replace/return it. Most of people doesn't have any problems. I had it on a few FW versions (let's say for 2-3 months) on 5GHz but it's perfectly working now. Some people could have hardware fault in their phones because their problem differ from mine and looks like FW independent.
Ad.2 If you really need root - it's not the best phone for you (and I think all Treble Android 8 phones). There are difficulties after root, you can read about it in root threads. I myself was thinking I need root, too. Because I've always had a rooted phone. But XZ1c and Android 8 are really good stuff so after a few months I've just forgot about a root. The only thing I need to let go was easy ad-blocking, but there are other moethods for this.
I'm really happy with my XZ1c and I don't see any other phone I could buy right now.

Battery life after 2 and half year
XDA_RealLifeReview said:
Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Sony Xperia XZ1 Compact, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Sony Xperia XZ1 Compact is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
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Impressive battery life ! 7h 30min of games or movies with some 20 percent battery or second type of using, around 60+ hours standby with some hours of calling, LTE, lot of apps... Never freezed, scuttering or something else.
From christmas 2017 of buying, until this day as primary phone/daily user, i tested battery with command adb shell dumpsys battery, take a look on photo.
Some recommendations ?

I love this xz1c since one year i have it ,good batterylife, great multitasking/photos etc, but for me who is dualshock 4 android player, it's the massive - because of high input lag over bluetooth and no otg support = no controller with otg , but it doesnt change anything of those many qualities that phone has

still my fav phone, bought some new ones but keep coming back to this phone, even to day it is a capable phone.. long live the king

I come back to say that my first xz1 compact still works after 3 years but the screen popped out ahah, insane device!!

asseforlife said:
I come back to say that my first xz1 compact still works after 3 years but the screen popped out ahah, insane device!!
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My Screen is popping out of the frame too. Tried different adhesives but all fails after few days. Did you try anything?

rsk_kelkar said:
Mi pantalla también se sale del marco. Probé diferentes adhesivos pero todos fallan después de unos días. ¿Intentaste algo?
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ORIGINAL screen adhesive from Ebay: https://www.ebay.es/itm/254942940651