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... How long did it take you to feel like you'd made the right choice?
Right now the only thing I'm liking is the screen...
Scrolling in the browser seems choppier than my stock n900, and I'm missing the keyboard massively...
Really want to end up loving it, but all I can see right now are things that make me feel like it;s a massive step backwards...
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... How long did it take you to feel like you'd made the right choice?
Right now the only thing I'm liking is the screen...
Scrolling in the browser seems choppier than my stock n900, and I'm missing the keyboard massively...
Really want to end up loving it, but all I can see right now are things that make me feel like it;s a massive step backwards...
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Well...to be honest i don't know what to say - if you don't like it, you don't like it - you get used to it. Few year ago i was all about physical keyboards, but with introduction of the iPhone i realized it's time to let go. It took me some time but i finally got used to on-screen keyboards - and believe you me, there isn't a single on-screen keyboard that's better than the one on the Note ( the stock ICS / CM9 one, not the TouchWiz crap ).
About the scrolling...what ROM/Browser do you use ? I recommend CM9 with stock browser - super smooth "iphone-like" experience.
been there, done that. i got used to it really fast. the only thing that i'm really missing is the keyboard. i send a ton of text. but u get used to the virtual keyboard by time.
also, my note runs really smooth. i flashed a stock ICS and i'm running latest speedmod kernel.
I came from the n900 and it took a few weeks but you will get there. I missed the keyboard at first but when o use the n900 now I carnt use the hardware keybord , all I can say is stick with it you will grow to love the note and won't want to go to any other phone .
Bit i will say I'm cursed I had the dreaded USB port failure on my n900 several times and now had it on my note so be careful
But the n900 is the only phone I know to survive a 90mph tumble down the road and survive the note isn't as durable get a cover on that screen
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bletozavr said:
been there, done that. i got used to it really fast. the only thing that i'm really missing is the keyboard. i send a ton of text. but u get used to the virtual keyboard by time.
also, my note runs really smooth. i flashed a stock ICS and i'm running latest speedmod kernel.
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Reluctant to upgrade to ICS because I don't want to lose flash in the browser.. I've got used to the web in my pocket being the same as the web on my desktop..
mistman said:
I came from the n900 and it took a few weeks but you will get there. I missed the keyboard at first but when o use the n900 now I carnt use the hardware keybord , all I can say is stick with it you will grow to love the note and won't want to go to any other phone .
Bit i will say I'm cursed I had the dreaded USB port failure on my n900 several times and now had it on my note so be careful
But the n900 is the only phone I know to survive a 90mph tumble down the road and survive the note isn't as durable get a cover on that screen
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Yep, this was my second N900, the first one suffered the dodgy port, was fixed, then broke again, and so I got a brand new one last March. Was fine literally up until about a month ago at the end (luckily) of my holiday, when it wouldn;t switch on. Now if the battery runs out I have to reflash, and the power button does nothing, either when the phone is on off.. Ah well..
It's not so much the general typing, so much as ctrl-x,c,v, and cursor keys to edit text and scroll up/down dialog windows in browsers etc, but after a quick google it seems there's other keyboards with cursor function.
Ctrl+N for a new browser window, or contact was always well handy, and being able to start typing someone's name to bring up their details rather than having to press contacts first...
Also I can't figure out how to use keys to interact with flash in the browser...
Akiainavas said:
Well...to be honest i don't know what to say - if you don't like it, you don't like it - you get used to it. Few year ago i was all about physical keyboards, but with introduction of the iPhone i realized it's time to let go. It took me some time but i finally got used to on-screen keyboards - and believe you me, there isn't a single on-screen keyboard that's better than the one on the Note ( the stock ICS / CM9 one, not the TouchWiz crap ).
About the scrolling...what ROM/Browser do you use ? I recommend CM9 with stock browser - super smooth "iphone-like" experience.
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At the mo I'm on gingerbread and using the stock browser, literally just got the note today, but keen to delve right in once I'm sure I'll be keeping it. Was well at home in the terminal on the N900, power kernel, overclocking etc, but it all seemed a lot safer - I've seen a lot of threads about people accidentally bricking their Notes...
Just had a little play with some N64 roms, the increased screen size and speed are at least a couple of nice plusses so far...
Trying to find a PSX emulator, ideally free... Again, I think having the N900 spoiled me..
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Reluctant to upgrade to ICS because I don't want to lose flash in the browser.. I've got used to the web in my pocket being the same as the web on my desktop..
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Flash works just fine on ICS. The only thing is that Chrome for Android doesn't support flash. The rest of them does.
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Flash works just fine on ICS. The only thing is that Chrome for Android doesn't support flash. The rest of them does.
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Ah, sweet, maybe I will do the upgrade then, although still a bit nervous as I've heard that even the official Samsung ICS release is not 100% safe?
Or have I just misinterpreted that?
Seems that although flash is working, it is maybe not working as well as under gingerbread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1666913
I came from n900, the second best phone I got after my lovely Note of course!
Yes I did miss the hw keyboard but when I found swype option it was an OMG it is really rally fast for typing, in both case you need two hands, so it is not a problem in this case.
About the browser, on n900 was a real desktop browser with flash included, really great, never missed my laptop under this point of view. But, Note with ICS seems to be good too, didn't test enough but saw an option to turns it as a desktop browser, and we have here last flash version!
If we talk about battery life, n900 loses badly, Note is incredible with batt, longer last, whole working day with some fun included. I just charge my note once a day.
Well I don't remember what other things did like to me on n900, that means I don't miss it yeah!
Ohh the contact manager was better on n900, never had duplicates contacts, the synchronization with social networks was amazing. On Note, after many months with can't handle SNS sync properly, in fact my contact list is a mess
Hope it helps, regards mate!
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i came from an n900 as well.
its not too bad once you figure how to get things done.
i still prefer the hardware keyboard on the n900 though since i could feel the keys, so i could type without looking. but after a bit of practice with the note, i got a lot faster (to the point where my note lags, stutters and doubles up on letters). the only thing i'd prefer would be a slightly smaller screen for typing, so i'll probably get a smaller phone next time.
the only thing i really miss from the n900 is the integrated stand. that was useful for when you want to watch movies.
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Ah, sweet, maybe I will do the upgrade then, although still a bit nervous as I've heard that even the official Samsung ICS release is not 100% safe?
Or have I just misinterpreted that?
Seems that although flash is working, it is maybe not working as well as under gingerbread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1666913
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Sure, flash isn't the smoothest and best thing on Android, but it runs and does the job. Stay away from the leaked kernels. ROM's that uses Xplodwild's kernel like CM9 and ParanoidAndroid are safe and won't have the brick bug.
Just read the OP and do some research before you flash anything.
Tedri Mark, if you owed a N900 before that means you like physical keyboard and your best choice after the Note would certainly be the Samsung Captivate Glide which has a 4inch screen and keyboard - some say it's a Galaxy S2 with a keyboard. It's better if you look for some reviews on youtube to get a better idea.
until 2011 n900 was the best phone ver made for me but new phones are really way better then that now. about the physical keyboard, i have phones without physical keyboard for 2 years and still missing it . screen keyboards are ok but not good as physical ones for me.
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screen keyboards are ok but not good as physical ones for me.
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Definitely, there is nothing better than a physical keyboard for typing! I missed that too.....if samsung could build a 4.5 or 4.8 inch screen phone with same same specs as the S2 + a physical keyboard, personally I'll sell my Note immediately! I emailed a lot daily and typing using a virtual keyboard is a pain when you are in a hurry with a lot of things to write!
Experimenting with browsers at the Mo, struggling to find one that renders the non mobile version of Facebook properly.. Both dolphin hd and ics browser + seem to struggle with the pop up gallery format... Quite annoying, and I'm not keen at all on the cut down versions and apps.
somewhat long read...
well, what you aren't missing is the battery life. It was just ****ty on the N900, and the screensize, and the resolution.
that was a coincidence that you posted it. I have the exact same problem with my conversion from my n900 to a Galaxy Note.
I really really wanted to like the Galaxy Note (i am a linuxfanboy after all for over 12 years)but in all honesty, i don't. I was sad to see such a (in my eyes beautiful) device like the n900 be abandoned by nokia (but that's for another section i guess to QQ) It's not the size that turned me off or the device itself (i love the screensize!), but the way Android works for me. It's just feels cumbersome, sure it can do a LOT of things but most of these things it does "feel" slow at doing, and buggy...
Touchscreen typing in comparison to the N900 feels ... well nothing ofcourse, you don't feel anything at all... a physical keyboard still feels good and better than nothing. Though the onscreen keyboards of android are still way worse than the iPhone keyboard. But I can't get used to this typing. To be fair I think I type faster now on my SGN but that has probably got to do with the fact that I care less about my spelling and 'auto-correct' mistakes. I don't text/mail as much as i used to do only when it's necessary. I don't feel like picking up my SGN if i want to browse anything on the web, games (multitouch anyone?) scrolling is still slow and laggy. Moving around in android is something i do out of neccesity not because i wanted to explore things on my phone like the N900.
Multitasking is badly designed in my eyes on the Android if you set it next to Maemo (CTRL-BACKSPACE for instant satisfaction!). I don't like to push a button for 2 seconds; scroll for the right app and click on the touchscreen and then go to that application; that must be instantaneous to make it really multitasking ready. Clicking the homescreen button; selecting the app on my homescreen feels faster even...).
I try to run the most bleeding edge ICS builds and tirelessly try to convince people (iPhone and Windows)it is better in giving a versatile phone experience(i used the nightlies from CM9) but when they show up with their ****ty iPhones and casually just look up some site and i try to look up the same site. The iPhone is always faster in getting to that specific site; more fluid in scrolling, doesn't fail at sites where it really shouldn't fail (gecko)("never happened before...wait don't go, it's still loading... almost there.. i think"). At the end my friends and i can only look at long youtube movies on my SGN("woah dude your big screen is soo nice! "oops huh did i just turn your SGN off when i hold it in landscape???") but anything other than that, iPhones and even windows phones now gets it done faster and more simple, responsive, less buggy. A year ago when i had the N900, i could look at everything without any of these problems... no mistyping... no workarounds with different browsers...
Cut copy paste... what a joke in comparison to the N900. i'm not even gonna start on that one. Try setting up some commands from the cli on your SGN... pfff (nevermind that %#FG)
Sometimes i'm thinking people are less critical about their phone experience because you only have 3 real choices atm for the newest hardware. android;iOS;winmango. Nokia DNR'd the N900 and their Maemo continuation which was a bad thing but it was a good product and i can't find any of the big companies making something that would remotely resemble the N900. Critical people here, please tell me i'm wrong, i would love to be wrong on this issue.
I'm sad, really sad, that my experience in getting a new (geeky) phone would be great but it's just not. The next level-up for me(android) rolled out a +4 on charisma but i needed the +dexterity and/or +intelligence
Mate, I don´t know if you just ordered a corrupted device...and of course I accept your experiences! But in most parts, I can´t share your points...
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It's just feels cumbersome, sure it can do a LOT of things but most of these things it does "feel" slow at doing, and buggy...
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Have you ever updated your device? Are you on ICS? And, as we are on XDA here, did you try out some custom Roms? e.g. RocketRom & speedmodkernel?`I had the N900 as well...and dude, if the Note is slow & buggy...the N900 is mordors very darkest ork-hole^^
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Touchscreen typing in comparison to the N900 feels ... well nothing ofcourse, you don't feel anything at all... a physical keyboard still feels good and better than nothing. Though the onscreen keyboards of android are still way worse than the iPhone keyboard.
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Which ones did you try out? There are some damn good KB for everyones taste, I´m sure with that...
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I don't feel like picking up my SGN if i want to browse anything on the web, games (multitouch anyone?) scrolling is still slow and laggy.
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Again, made some updates etc? At least MY Note is responsive as hell, VERY fast, scrolling is smooth like butter...and especially browsing is the very best experience I ever had on a smartphone (and man, I had them all )
Came from N900.
But I beta-tested the SGS and DeZire... so got accustomed to Android eventually.
There's somethings you can't do easily or at all. It takes alot of fiddling to get it "right".
But eventually you make it yours. And thanks to a really large ecosystem and other great features... it becomes hard to use the N900 again.
I wouldn't pick the DesireZ over the N900... but with the beast (aka n7k) I feel like its a worthy successor. Just need to pray that Android 4.1 Jelly Bean will use the Mainline kernel (3.5) and that it can be further "unlocked" by having deeper API's etc. One project to keep an eye on is the Necesitas, where they're trying to port the Qt (4/5) framework into Android... it would definitely "linux-ify" Android further. Or even the AML project, merging the mainline and Android kernels together.
I've had my Note for a month, and have reached the point where I would never want to go back to the N900 hardware keyboard. I suggest to learn swype, or try a few of the alternative keyboards. But even the stock Samsung onscreen keyboard is quite good - it saves a lot of time having the numeric keys always available.
The one thing I still miss is the N900's "mappero" mapping app (previously called Maemo Mapper). I've tried all of the available open source Android mapping apps, and they either have a deficient feature set, or they are buggy.
With a new platform, you always notice first the things that are missing compared to your old platform. Only later do you notice the things that are better. And so it is with the mapping app. Having discovered Osmand with its very efficient offline vector maps, I would miss those if I went back to mappero with its raster-only offline maps.
The hardware itself is everything that the N9x0 should have become.
ryebuck said:
I've had my Note for a month, and have reached the point where I would never want to go back to the N900 hardware keyboard.
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Nowadays, physical keyboards are not a necessity for most of us since typing on a large screen like the Note is even easier. Thing is writting long emails or typing documents on a phone will always required a physical keyboard because this makes things easier to type at a constant speed with less or no mistakes than pressing virtual buttons on the screen.
If HTC or SAMSUNG could make a tilted screen phone with a physical keyboard similar to the 'HTC TOUCH PRO 2' or 'HTC Tilt 2' with a 4.7-5.0 screen, I'm pretty certain that many of us will shift to this phone.
Typing on galaxy note is awesome with Swype, the only thing is you should get used to it, the other big thing is spellings, since Swype will respond faster if you type correct spellings, for me it works like a breeze, for now with just Weeks into my note I'm deeply in love with this device as i surf the Web using wifi,i don't even open my laptop, the screen is just awesome not to mention the spen, I'm typing this using Swype,
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hi there,i have just a little question for who have more experience than me
exactly whats the difference between the 2 rom style?
yeah i know that there are lots of differences but my question was born because yesterday i finally decided to try a google edition rom cos i see that there are much more builders for google than the classic tw
the only reason i find its because its very very light ,doesnt have all samsung programs different setting (lol i thought i come back to my old Leo hd2 ) but i also noticed that all sensors dsnt work (if they work im so sorry but i kept only 10 min google edition cos i prefere the stock look)
so..considering this i dont understand why google edition has so many fan for me its look a sort of downgrade but i suppose there are benefits that i dont see or dont understand on my own
i dont want cause flames so give ur opinion or facts its the same its just to talk about
ps: sorry for english i always write without read what i wrote
For me there are some reasons to use the GE:
1) It isn't that huge and hasn't these samsung features i never used cause they are all a bit buggy.
2) No Bloatware
3) I love the Vanilla look
4) I get minimum +1 hour Screen On time, so its much more battery friendly
5) much more smoother and faster (Antutu Benachmarks of +2000)
xardus said:
hi there,i have just a little question for who have more experience than me
exactly whats the difference between the 2 rom style?
yeah i know that there are lots of differences but my question was born because yesterday i finally decided to try a google edition rom cos i see that there are much more builders for google than the classic tw
the only reason i find its because its very very light ,doesnt have all samsung programs different setting (lol i thought i come back to my old Leo hd2 ) but i also noticed that all sensors dsnt work (if they work im so sorry but i kept only 10 min google edition cos i prefere the stock look)
so..considering this i dont understand why google edition has so many fan for me its look a sort of downgrade but i suppose there are benefits that i dont see or dont understand on my own
i dont want cause flames so give ur opinion or facts its the same its just to talk about
ps: sorry for english i always write without read what i wrote
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There are plenty of videos online directly comparing the two. Basically though, if you find Touchwiz ugly and irritating but like the S4 hardware then Google Edition ROMs/hardware are a godsend. The hardware does all work on the Google Editions as far as I know but there is no TV app and (obviously) no gesture based commands on Google Edition devices. This doesn't mean there aren't third party apps to cover most needs though. Unlike the old days of Cyanogenmod building from AOSP (which resulted in crap quality photos) the difference is negligible between TW and GE ROMs in terms of the output; though if you like the TW camera app the stock Google one might seem very basic.
Personally I can't wait for a means of converting my S4 to a 'real' Google Edition with OTA updates as I hate the very IDEA of all that gimmicky TouchWiz crap existing on my phone. I'm currently running the ODIN flashable version of GE which I've had no problems with as of the past few days.
I also own an HTC One so it would be tough living in a Touchwiz only world with an S4 when I have Sense 5 next to it. My One running pure, stock Sense 5.0 and I love it so it's not that I'm a fan of stock Android as such, I just think Samsung are clueless when it comes to nice design. Now with my S4 running Google Edition it is very hard choosing between the two devices!
MrSpiceGuy said:
For me there are some reasons to use the GE:
1) It isn't that huge and hasn't these samsung features i never used cause they are all a bit buggy.
2) No Bloatware
3) I love the Vanilla look
4) I get minimum +1 hour Screen On time, so its much more battery friendly
5) much more smoother and faster (Antutu Benachmarks of +2000)
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1) but with a nice extSD many space problem are resolved...i dont use my phone as an ipod so i dont have music files,only big games but coming from hd2 with ext4rom partittion have 4 or 5 gb free its incredible hehehehe of course my sd is full of roms and some ps1 rom for the emulator (im playing again all my old final fantasy and its AWSOME)
2) i still dont know what is it so i cant say nothing lol
3) nothing to say its personal
4) so its really longer than tw? i read there was many battery problems expecialli for 4.3 but also in 4,2.2 that can be very nice for me
5) i didnt see that...looks pretty the same but with antuntu i get 400point less than the omega rom v7 (no overclock or strange things)
aniway...i dont see much bugs in samsung apps...i kept the stock rom for 1 month and was perfect,the same for omega
i like have lots of stupid stuffs from samsung like the temperature and humidity sensor (just to say : hahaha ur phone cant do it )
i think when samsung will release the Api for the new sensors will be better because we have theme...why dont find a way to use better than samsung let u do?
another thing...i tested only 1 google rom but...multiwindow isnt present right? its very usefull when i want to play and girlfriend wants to talk on whatsaap so she see me always online heheheheh
Bloatware: useless installed apps from Samsung you can't delete (ofc with root you can) cause of this and more Samsung Roms are more than 1GB big, GE just 300+MB
The Battery from 4.3 was terrible but the 4.2.2 (Jamal's v9) is awesome!
"i like have lots of stupid stuffs from samsung like the temperature and humidity sensor (just to say : hahaha ur phone cant do it )"
> Works on GE, too.
".multiwindow isnt present right?"
Nope, these are Samsung features i meant in 1). Never used them, like Smart Pause etc.
These aren't available for the GE
There is one thing I don't like in GE, too
I miss the Cam from Samsung.
Hope they port a (functional) version!
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For me there are some reasons to use the GE:
1) It isn't that huge and hasn't these samsung features i never used cause they are all a bit buggy.
2) No Bloatware
3) I love the Vanilla look
4) I get minimum +1 hour Screen On time, so its much more battery friendly
5) much more smoother and faster (Antutu Benachmarks of +2000)
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Bloatware: useless installed apps from Samsung you can't delete (ofc with root you can) cause of this and more Samsung Roms are more than 1GB big, GE just 300+MB
The Battery from 4.3 was terrible but the 4.2.2 (Jamal's v9) is awesome!
"i like have lots of stupid stuffs from samsung like the temperature and humidity sensor (just to say : hahaha ur phone cant do it )"
> Works on GE, too.
".multiwindow isnt present right?"
Nope, these are Samsung features i meant in 1). Never used them, like Smart Pause etc.
These aren't available for the GE
There is one thing I don't like in GE, too
I miss the Cam from Samsung.
Hope they port a (functional) version!
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smart pause sucks lol but some air gesture like in gallery for a little preview or in video to see the image its a little usefull
i tried the v8 yesterday evening ,downloading the v9 right now...i will give a try for 2 days but i think i will come back to omega when take out something new for stock style
You're right. Air view and Smart Stay are good
I flashed official lollipop i didn't any new feature
Lollipop is all about the appearance.
I'm using TW Lollipop about a month and I don't see much difference in functions. But the battery lifetime is much better also much smoother and faster.
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Lollipop is all about the appearance.
I'm using TW Lollipop about a month and I don't see much difference in functions. But the battery lifetime is much better also much smoother and faster.
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False.
Lollipop comes with a whole bunch of improvements to the system overall.
What I liked the most is the new ART system. It's blazing fast and stability is incredible. I would say that the new way of handeling software overall seems to be a lot better on L rather than on KK. You have a whole new system for the notification system as well, you have complete control of what apps are allowed to give you notifications or not. Security is improved as well. There's tons of changes under the hood, less experienced users may not notice these but it's a huge improvement of Android.
With TW rom no multi dpi...custom kernel.....
The whole point of Lollipop is the Material Design.
Which, if you hate white, is not an improvement. And with Xposed not working on ART, there's not a bloody thing I can do about solving that, quite literal, cause of migraines.
But it's fast, lighter and easy on the battery life.
You also get more control over your lockscreen notifications (turn then off individually), but you sacrifice lockscreen widgets completely as a result. You can, however, use the controls in the notifications (like LUX) from the lockscreen without swiping down the bar.
(I own an S5 running on official PHN 5.0)
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As said above, the runtime change from Dalvik to ART is the biggest advantage of Lollipop over KitKat. Apps should consume less RAM, should be smoother (I have no idea whether that will be placebo or not), so less micro stuttering shall we say?
And appearance is there as usual, which I simply favour, I mean white vs black, all the gaga, personal choice, and you are not interested to know that anyway.
PS: I think Xposed just became compatible for Lollipop. Don't take my word for that though, just saw a tweet from Wanam, well he can't be wrong, but have no time to check in the matter further, but if that's true then I am simply flashing L as soon as its officially released. Incompatibility of Xposed was the biggest gripe of mine to not use L, and with its gone, well all is gooooooooooooooooood
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but have no time to check in the matter further...
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LOL
You could just open the link that wanam posted in his tweet, and there you would see that rovo said that it's working and it will be available soon. Nothing more. That's it. 25 seconds max.
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Wallpaper on both home and lock screen
What i’ve noticed with this official Russian lollipop firmware on Samsung Galaxy Note 3 is that when i want to set a specific wallpaper (i mean when i go to gallery then choose a picture) both on lock screen and home screen then why are there two same options “Home and lock screens”? With the option first i can set wallpaper when there’s only a person on picture but when there are two people then it won’t let me to tap to face and save it. Option two is working fine, no problem at all. Thanks in advance for those who’ll answer me!
P.s.: If i wrote to wrong thread then i'm sorry but still hope there'll be someone who can answer me
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LOL
You could just open the link that wanam posted in his tweet, and there you would see that rovo said that it's working and it will be available soon. Nothing more. That's it. 25 seconds max.
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That's excellent news!
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ShadowLea said:
That's excellent news!
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He wrote it here. If you want to follow...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3007229
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Hi all,
I made this post to enhance your experience with the Z3C. Indeed I thought since a few days that I was going to throw away my phone because of multitasking. This issue is not clear at all and not all people seemed to be touched by this. However I am, definitely.
This is my experience on lollipop: I can’t have 5 apps running at the same time, even if they’re very light. For example if I’m listening to music and using chrome, everytime I switch to another app, it needs to start again. It gets really annoying when I’m using some apps at the same time and I lose lots of time.
My first idea was to switch to another phone (even if I love the Z3C for other qualities like battery life or how compact it is) but this issue seems to touch every phone except HTC’s but I’m not happy with their battery life. My last choice was the iPhone 6 to get a nice user experience.
Then I thought a little and I remembered that in fact my experience was much much better on KitKat.
So I decided to try again kitkat and OMG!!! I couldn’t get back to L, seriously. If you have the same issues as I have, it’s definitely a solution.
So of course you’ll lose some interesting stuff from Lollipop and the interface doesn’t look as nice as on L but it is definitely worth it.
Indeed on Kitkat the battery is at least equal, maybe better.
But all the difference is about performances: you can’t even compare it. When I switched from KK to L I didn’t realize and I got accommodate to it but actually in this way we can feel the difference without any hesitation.
Now I can use at least 8 apps at the same time, everything is snappier and quicker. Really it changes my smartphone life.
So if you’re ready to leave L, join me with KK and you won’t regret. You’ll get a new phone (even it’s kinda absurd) and you’ll never want to change it for another. That’s the phone I have liked.
Thx for the comparison
I haven't tried Lollipop because there is nothing wrong with KitKat (+ROOT!) and there is nothing about Lollipop that I really need, it's mostly just eye-candy imho. Oh yes there is one small thing: The sparkly unlock animation in KK is the worst, haven't found a way to get rid of it yet... (except using a 3rd party lockscreen - which is something I'm not willing to do because I love my lockscreen widgets, any suggestions?)
If you miss the Lollipop stuff here's some suggestions:
-NiLS(app): Gives you customizable lockscreen notifications like Lollipop with any lockscreen
-Nova Launcher(app): Just got a huge Lollipop update, the average person won't know the difference to lollipop when looking at the launcher
-Install Lollipop theme to change nav-bar icons (or use xposed or any other method)
-Sony is pretty amazing with app updates, so all the independent apps like Music are Material Design anyway
Cheers
Well. The problem with multitasking happens on all Xperia Z3 phones with Sony´s Lollipop (Yes, I confirmed it after test with 5 different Xperia Z3 phones from friends and family).
After I get frustrated with this problem, I also think in change the phone for an iPhone, but lol, iPhone have similar problems with browsers that can´t keep various tabs opened and ends refreshing all tabs, and other similar multitasking problems because of limited ram. I maybe change my Z3 for an Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge in a month (Or when the Galaxy S6 gets Android 5.1 update) because the camera of the Z3 is very bad in quality for me, but until then, I found a "fix" for the multitasking problem:
I finally "fixed" it. ¿How?: Simple, I just installed Cyanogenmod 12.1 in my phone, and it is just... just, very beatiful in multitasking. I can have a loooot of apps opened and get back to one app after a day and they are still opened, it´s is what I ever expected from a phone like Xperia Z3, is amazing. It is because Cyanogenmod is always updated and have all the latest fixes and their own fixes also. I heard that they have fixed more than 51 memory leaks (included the critical ones) in his 12.1 version. Also I get in love with Cyanogenmod extra features.
Yes, I lose all DRM protected features from camera and also PS4 Remote, but meh, camera sucks anyway in stock firmware, and is only a little worse in Cyanogenmod. Just to be careful I backed up my TA partition before unlock my bootloader and go into cyanogenmod.
Hope this helps to all guys that have lollipop, and need a true multitasking on his Xperia Z3 or Z3 Compact.
Aside from multitasking Lollipop seems still very beta on xperia to me. Mind u I own the Smartphone for only 3 days, but the amount of times it made me go nuts, not even my evo 3d managed over 3 years. Phone ran really hot and sort of slugish on lp, but waht reall drove me crazy was Bluetooth Audio... It made my whole phone crash after starting to crackle on my soundwaver (bluetooth speaker).... It wouldnt even play over pc... Back to kitkst and all is fine and dandy. I can actually feel i run a newer handset than before (evo 3D). Ill probably switch to CM some timecdown the road, when lp is fully working.
The stock lollipop build is beta version at best. The debloated lollipop build found here on XDA is beyond acceptable, almost good. The stock kitkat build, though, still has the upper hand. I reverted back today to an old backup and there's no match between the debloated lollipop and the stock kitkat. Stock kitkat wins hands down.
For some balance ive no such issues with lollipop albeit i agree there isnt much of an incentive to upgrade from kitkat. I dont use chrome though. Chrome uses a scary lot of memory. (i use firefox)
Cm12 uses less memory than stock sony roms so that leaves more to chrome, which explains that i guess.
My only complaint is few UI elements that are not very material, you know.
I don´t use Chrome too, I use Cm Browser that dont use a lot of Ram too...
The problem is not how much Ram uses the system, the problem is that Stock Sony in 5.0.2 have a Bad Memory Management and still have Memory Leaks (Except the crititcal ones that are already fixed in Sony Stock Lollipop Firm).
In CM 12.1 a loot of those memory leaks are already fixed, so that also explains why Cyanogenmod works a lot better with multitasking and can keep a lot of apps without close.
clouds5 said:
Thx for the comparison
I haven't tried Lollipop because there is nothing wrong with KitKat (+ROOT!) and there is nothing about Lollipop that I really need, it's mostly just eye-candy imho. Oh yes there is one small thing: The sparkly unlock animation in KK is the worst, haven't found a way to get rid of it yet... (except using a 3rd party lockscreen - which is something I'm not willing to do because I love my lockscreen widgets, any suggestions?)
If you miss the Lollipop stuff here's some suggestions:
-NiLS(app): Gives you customizable lockscreen notifications like Lollipop with any lockscreen
-Nova Launcher(app): Just got a huge Lollipop update, the average person won't know the difference to lollipop when looking at the launcher
-Install Lollipop theme to change nav-bar icons (or use xposed or any other method)
-Sony is pretty amazing with app updates, so all the independent apps like Music are Material Design anyway
Cheers
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Thanks for the apps. I'm happy not to be the only one to have made this step!
iFlasher said:
Well. The problem with multitasking happens on all Xperia Z3 phones with Sony´s Lollipop (Yes, I confirmed it after test with 5 different Xperia Z3 phones from friends and family).
After I get frustrated with this problem, I also think in change the phone for an iPhone, but lol, iPhone have similar problems with browsers that can´t keep various tabs opened and ends refreshing all tabs, and other similar multitasking problems because of limited ram. I maybe change my Z3 for an Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge in a month (Or when the Galaxy S6 gets Android 5.1 update) because the camera of the Z3 is very bad in quality for me, but until then, I found a "fix" for the multitasking problem:
I finally "fixed" it. ¿How?: Simple, I just installed Cyanogenmod 12.1 in my phone, and it is just... just, very beatiful in multitasking. I can have a loooot of apps opened and get back to one app after a day and they are still opened, it´s is what I ever expected from a phone like Xperia Z3, is amazing. It is because Cyanogenmod is always updated and have all the latest fixes and their own fixes also. I heard that they have fixed more than 51 memory leaks (included the critical ones) in his 12.1 version. Also I get in love with Cyanogenmod extra features.
Yes, I lose all DRM protected features from camera and also PS4 Remote, but meh, camera sucks anyway in stock firmware, and is only a little worse in Cyanogenmod. Just to be careful I backed up my TA partition before unlock my bootloader and go into cyanogenmod.
Hope this helps to all guys that have lollipop, and need a true multitasking on his Xperia Z3 or Z3 Compact.
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CM12.1 alternative is good to know then. If I miss L too much, I guess I'll give a try to CM.
clouds5 said:
Thx for the comparison
I haven't tried Lollipop because there is nothing wrong with KitKat (+ROOT!) and there is nothing about Lollipop that I really need, it's mostly just eye-candy imho. Oh yes there is one small thing: The sparkly unlock animation in KK is the worst, haven't found a way to get rid of it yet... (except using a 3rd party lockscreen - which is something I'm not willing to do because I love my lockscreen widgets, any suggestions?)
Cheers
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Xposed Installer + Xperia Xposed should make you happy.
I see lollipop better than kitkat, phone run faster and smoother. Good update
Son Lam said:
I see lollipop better than kitkat, phone run faster and smoother. Good update
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Yes, is smoother, but we are talking about the multitasking that is not so good as it have to be...
KitKat has much more battery time than lollipop.
What do yolu think
draligus said:
KitKat has much more battery time than lollipop.
What do yolu think
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I think that it's a wrong statement. The same power usage curves and same percentage at the end of the day for me.
However, you might be using apps that don't behave well on LP.
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I think that it's a wrong statement. The same power usage curves and same percentage at the end of the day for me.
However, you might be using apps that don't behave well on LP.
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that was my observation.
KK were amazing for my needs (good battery, smooth).
Lollipop looks just the same.
I always disable animations and whatnot, so I'm kind of an odd user.
to me LLP is good except the quick toggle and sound profile
i need to swipe twice for quick toggle and to swipe twice to close the quick toggle.
using volume button for sound profile annoys me as when i wanna silent my phone while plating music can't be done
multitasking so far is good for me
battery life is the same and in fact idle time is better in LLP
most of the apps improve smoothness in LLP except a few
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Xposed Installer + Xperia Xposed should make you happy.
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Could you elaborate on that
I have tried to like Lollipop, but the annoyances i really have, is the swipe down quick menu, prefer the kitkat one, and i really dislike, the user icon on the Lockscreen status bar, At the moment, i have reverted back to kitkat, but would love to give lollipop more time, but after a day, i alway's revert back.
clouds5 said:
Could you elaborate on that
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You wanted to get rid of the "sparkly unlock animation" of your Z3 Compact, right?
Do you want the classic Android locker instead?
The original Xperia unlock:
http://i.imgur.com/umsERNx.png
Install Xperia Xposed then this:
http://i.imgur.com/VQOD6ay.png
(reboot)
You activate this:
http://i.imgur.com/92fLyDf.png
And you get this:
http://i.imgur.com/ZOOTdTn.png
Hey.
I have SM-N900 with 4.4.2 and rooted.
My phone start to be **** and work with lags so..... its for wipe and install the new update.
so I saw this rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...s-android-development/mar-10-pekakas-t3051018
and he looking good and everything
but he say that I need to have 5.0 first to install it..
how ?
and why every dev hate the Exynos ? no love for him...
sometime I want to install CM but.... the pen will stop work and more
Just go here, http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/database/SM-N900/
Download a 5.0 ROM, and flash it via Odin. If you find a ROM for your region then obviously download that. Done. Then you can flash any custom ROM you want.
Why Exynos hate? Well I am an idiot and as far as I know devs need to spend quite a lot of more time developing for Exynos than Snapdragon, and obviously they choose to do the easier work.
And a friendly suggestion, please STAY AWAY from those AOSP based ROMs. They will make the phone half disabled, I am just coming from one just yesterday, and one more thing, they aren't that much smoother than TouhcWiz Lollipop either, which was my main reason to flash such a ROM, and literally waste a full two hour! Call it LagWiz, CrapWiz, BloatWiz, whatever the heck you want, I am not going anywhere near those AOSP things ever again.
devilsdouble said:
Just go here, http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/database/SM-N900/
Download a 5.0 ROM, and flash it via Odin. If you find a ROM for your region then obviously download that. Done. Then you can flash any custom ROM you want.
Why Exynos hate? Well I am an idiot and as far as I know devs need to spend quite a lot of more time developing for Exynos than Snapdragon, and obviously they choose to do the easier work.
And a friendly suggestion, please STAY AWAY from those AOSP based ROMs. They will make the phone half disabled, I am just coming from one just yesterday, and one more thing, they aren't that much smoother than TouhcWiz Lollipop either, which was my main reason to flash such a ROM, and literally waste a full two hour! Call it LagWiz, CrapWiz, BloatWiz, whatever the heck you want, I am not going anywhere near those AOSP things ever again.
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ok I understand now how to install 5.0. thanks
but why to stay away from AOSP ?
I saw this " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYofb7zYrt4 " and his phone work great and fast also his pen work..
and what do you mean half disabled ? you talk about features of samsung ?
Seriously I can't stand my phone anymore with lags and full RAM use for unknown reason ( and even I use Greenify / Wanam / bootmanager )
still he work like crap and after restart he start to work good again for like... a few hours or days
man I really need to change
Well several number of reasons really. The deal breaker for me was there was no option to change the display mode! I mean I am talking about the different display profiles, Cinema, Adapt, Professional etc, I couldn't choose that, and I was stuck with the default Adaptive one, which is way too over saturated! Then there are the S Pen things, this and that software is there, but nothing could be as smooth as having Action Memo merged with S Note, on which I heavily depend. Then there is the camera, and the lack of 60 frames video. Also the camera photo quality in general, is it comparable to TouchWiz's stock camera? I doubt!
I was ready to compromise on all of these, but that lack of display profile thing was impossible for me to bear.
Honestly there is very minimal lag with TouchWiz 5.0, OF3, on my N9005. But I think bloody Samsung didn't implement the TW on Exynos as good as they did on SD devices, so maybe you indeed face some lag issues. I myself couldn't bear the KitKat or Jelly Bean or whatever the heck it was on my I9500, lag, bugs, what not, but TouchWiz Lollipop is an entirely different thing. I also don't see any low RAM issue at all!
In any case, if you want to try out some AOSP stuffs, do that, it's your phone after all...
devilsdouble said:
Well several number of reasons really. The deal breaker for me was there was no option to change the display mode! I mean I am talking about the different display profiles, Cinema, Adapt, Professional etc, I couldn't choose that, and I was stuck with the default Adaptive one, which is way too over saturated! Then there are the S Pen things, this and that software is there, but nothing could be as smooth as having Action Memo merged with S Note, on which I heavily depend. Then there is the camera, and the lack of 60 frames video. Also the camera photo quality in general, is it comparable to TouchWiz's stock camera? I doubt!
I was ready to compromise on all of these, but that lack of display profile thing was impossible for me to bear.
Honestly there is very minimal lag with TouchWiz 5.0, OF3, on my N9005. But I think bloody Samsung didn't implement the TW on Exynos as good as they did on SD devices, so maybe you indeed face some lag issues. I myself couldn't bear the KitKat or Jelly Bean or whatever the heck it was on my I9500, lag, bugs, what not, but TouchWiz Lollipop is an entirely different thing. I also don't see any low RAM issue at all!
In any case, if you want to try out some AOSP stuffs, do that, it's your phone after all...
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For people like you that note with its bloatware is meant for, aosp based roms are never a thing for you.
When I bought note 3 i did it for its hardware specs and really hated tw. Never gonna back to that crap.
What you miss we others that love cm find a way to live better with than living with tw.
LOL I always see these things/debates posted of not using AOSP or TouchWiz... it's really a preference... but here's the thing, TW based phones are usually more stable. The only reason being is, they have less changes to the core of the OS. AND you don't have to use TW (at least not the slow ugly launcher). TW is crap, you can use another launcher and debloat - to have something purring. AOSP do something similar, but of course it's not as stable --- but this is more developer dependent. Some are better than others, some load it with their own bloat/crapwear (because they think it's what others will want).
In conclusion... lol make your own conclusion. Be sure to read the forums (not just first and last pages) for any problems on the rom you choose. I would highly recommend something that has minimal changes, but lets you add or remove what you want.
Good luck!
kenny1991 said:
For people like you that note with its bloatware is meant for, aosp based roms are never a thing for you.
When I bought note 3 i did it for its hardware specs and really hated tw. Never gonna back to that crap.
What you miss we others that love cm find a way to live better with than living with tw.
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Yeah thanks lad, and for kids like you CM/ AOSP or whatever they wanna call it is as overhyped as it is. A ROM where bug list is lengthier than feature list, and some people still talk :laugh:
devilsdouble said:
Yeah thanks lad, and for kids like you CM/ AOSP or whatever they wanna call it is as overhyped as it is. A ROM where bug list is lengthier than feature list, and some people still talk [emoji23]
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Wow. Please stay away from anything not related to Samsung.
kenny1991 said:
Wow. Please stay away from anything not related to Samsung.
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Let me be the judge of that. I will say whatever I want, whenever I want, wherever I want. Deal with that.
You are what, 24 now? Talk when you are in your mid 30s, maybe by then you could gain some IQ and be a little practical, and the hype/ brainwash adrenaline will settle down.