I can't wait to see full support for 64 bit processors.. I feel the Nexus 9 should perform better.. Something tells me the OS and apps are not fully 64bit compliant yet. Any thoughts..? How has performance been for the rest of you guys/gals..?
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maconsultant said:
I can't wait to see full support for 64 bit processors.. I feel the Nexus 9 should perform better.. Something tells me the OS and apps are not fully 64bit compliant yet. Any thoughts..? How has performance been for the rest of you guys/gals..?
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This is one of the main reasons why I am returning mine, what's the point? It'll be quite some time before we see full support for 64 bit processors. We're paying this high of a price NOW for a tablet that the OS isn't even optimized for. That's the difference between apple and google, iOS is built around the hardware and for a limited amount of products; whereas android is built for a large variety of devices so it never really can be optimized for a specific tablet or phone because it has to cater to so many different devices with different specs.
Android should be flawless on a nexus device, after all a nexus device is supposed to set the tone and be an example of what android is.....too bad, because that is not the case with the n9.
Fwiw, I think the n9 is nice and all, got a lot of love for it but for what I paid for my 32gb n9 I expected more. I could live with a lil light bleeding and some recessed buttons but the lack of optimization and the battery life is unforgiving at this price. I bought the n9 to find out that maybe down the line at some point it will become the product I though that I was purchasing in the first place, if that makes any sense.
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Yeah I'm debating the return myself.. It does not perform the way it should. Question is will they ever optimize the OS for it...?
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May i find out the areas which you feel the OS is not optimized? Is it the battery life?
When playing music or YouTube the tablet stutters and exhibits pops and clicks in the audio. It may just be the software is not optimized.. But for $600 it damm well should be. Given the way google handles things they could very well move on to the next thing and were left holding the bag.
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Chyeo1979 said:
May i find out the areas which you feel the OS is not optimized? Is it the battery life?
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Battery life should be better, don't get me wrong it's OK, I get may 7 hours but at this price 12 hours should be that norm. My n9 should not stutter, this thing is fast and you can tell....its sad but its kinda reminds me of touchwiz, the way it holds back Samsung's great hardware. Another thing that has bothered me is why no 3gb of ram? They are charging us a pretty penny and skimping on specs, the n9 is a ram hog. Right now with just the XDA app running usage is over 60% which is ridiculous.
At this price point you have to compare it to the iPad mini and or airs, apple just does so much of a better job all around. Apple has set the standard for what a high-end tablet should be and perform and the n9 comes close but it's not there yet. Had they added micro SD, I could overlook some things but this is a Nexus and we are too "dumb" to use a micro SD card. Its a great tablet but not at the price Google is charging, people are going to keep complaining because they expect more (as they should) for their money.
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Battery life should be better, don't get me wrong it's OK, I get may 7 hours but at this price 12 hours should be that norm. My n9 should not stutter, this thing is fast and you can tell....its sad but its kinda reminds me of touchwiz, the way it holds back Samsung's great hardware. Another thing that has bothered me is why no 3gb of ram? They are charging us a pretty penny and skimping on specs, the n9 is a ram hog. Right now with just the XDA app running usage is over 60% which is ridiculous.
At this price point you have to compare it to the iPad mini and or airs, apple just does so much of a better job all around. Apple has set the standard for what a high-end tablet should be and perform and the n9 comes close but it's not there yet. Had they added micro SD, I could overlook some things but this is a Nexus and we are too "dumb" to use a micro SD card. Its a great tablet but not at the price Google is charging, people are going to keep complaining because they expect more (as they should) for their money.
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Agreed with what you said, except my battery life is only about 5hrs as I mostly surf on browser. Coming from an old iPad 2, this is one of my biggest disappointment. No tablet should have <8hrs SOT for normal usage to me. And as if not bad enough, the battery charging rate is almost the same or slower than the draining rate. What's Google doing!!
I'm ok with no SD card, but feel Google should give 64gb storage and 3g ram too.
Only things that's keeping me are lollipop, the tablet size/design and my refusal to go back to iOS.
64gb storage, 3gb ram, Qi charging by default and OPTIMIZE LOLLIPOP FOR 64BIT ARCHITECTURE.!
As it stands now this thing is not optimized for the hardware.
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I am let down by 32 Gig only but I cope.
Put only what I need on the tablet (and a bit extra), the rest.... use the cloud.
My Note 3 has 3 Gig RAM and the Nexus 9 does not .... hard time explaining that but this is not Google' s choice, Google does not make the tablet.
Did people spend $800, $900 on this?
I did not I find the price ok.
I believe it will not take years to see 64bit apps, it will take months. (I can wait)
AstroDigital said:
I am let down by 32 Gig only but I cope.
Put only what I need on the tablet (and a bit extra), the rest.... use the cloud.
My Note 3 has 3 Gig RAM and the Nexus 9 does not .... hard time explaining that but this is not Google' s choice, Google does not make the tablet.
Did people spend $800, $900 on this?
I did not I find the price ok.
I believe it will not take years to see 64bit apps, it will take months. (I can wait)
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Hmm, how can it not be Google's choice. Google can't be telling HTC "Make me a tablet any way you like" right?
HTC makes Nexus 9, not Google.
I am sure Google has the say about the OS but not sure about the hardware.
2 Gig annoyed me but I am a big boy and said well it is still a Nexus device.... I will go for it.
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I am let down by 32 Gig only but I cope.
Put only what I need on the tablet (and a bit extra), the rest.... use the cloud.
My Note 3 has 3 Gig RAM and the Nexus 9 does not .... hard time explaining that but this is not Google' s choice, Google does not make the tablet.
Did people spend $800, $900 on this?
I did not I find the price ok.
I believe it will not take years to see 64bit apps, it will take months. (I can wait)
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522 in NYC after taxes, that's iPad money, I expect an iPad like experience. I'm not about putting up with bs at this price point, I shouldn't have to wait for optimization. Its acceptable to you and I understand that but it isn't to me, these companies want to let out inefficient devices and or products and we are the ones who have to deal with it? Negative, not this time.
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HTC makes Nexus 9, not Google.
I am sure Google has the say about the OS but not sure about the hardware.
2 Gig annoyed me but I am a big boy and said well it is still a Nexus device.... I will go for it.
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Google is the one that designs, sets the specs and tells HTC what to build it isn't the other way around. HTC is just a subcontractor that deals with manufacturing. The way you're putting it is like google is doing what HTC wants and google had no say in the hardware....are you kidding me? google is the one with all the leverage here, no disrespect but you make no sense from a business point of view.
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Cant wait for a review on this.
The 2GB RAM is most likely because nvidia wouldn't provide them with a TK1 SoC variant with more ram than that.
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Google is the one that designs, sets the specs and tells HTC what to build it isn't the other way around. HTC is just a subcontractor that deals with manufacturing. The way you're putting it is like google is doing what HTC wants and google had no say in the hardware....are you kidding me? google is the one with all the leverage here, no disrespect but you make no sense from a business point of view.
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You are the one that makes no sense, but believe what you may.
There is no way a software company goes to any hardware company and says to them ..... build it like this or else.
I worked for hardware manufacturer and it is always a compromise the customer says they want this, the company says too expensive we can do this.
The customer then says how about this, the manufacturer...
Continues to they get a compromise both sides can live with.
I know because this was part of my job.
Got a Smartwatch 3 you think maybe Google went to Sony and said Sony add no heart rate sensor .... or else?
You think they went to Motorola and they owned Motorola at the time and ordered them to use obsolete processors?
The original question is about performance and I answered It I am happy enough.
You want to believe Google went to HTC and says this is what we want you build of else.... what do I care?
Stay on topic.
I am happy with the performance as is
When there are more apps written for the 64 bit Tegra it will smoke everything else...... I my own opinion
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You are the one that makes no sense, but believe what you may.
There is no way a software company goes to any hardware company and says to them ..... build it like this or else.
I worked for hardware manufacturer and it is always a compromise the customer says they want this, the company says too expensive we can do this.
The customer then says how about this, the manufacturer...
Continues to they get a compromise both sides can live with.
I know because this was part of my job.
Got a Smartwatch 3 you think maybe Google went to Sony and said Sony add no heart rate sensor .... or else?
You think they went to Motorola and they owned Motorola at the time and ordered them to use obsolete processors?
The original question is about performance and I answered It I am happy enough.
You want to believe Google went to HTC and says this is what we want you build of else.... what do I care?
Stay on topic.
I am happy with the performance as is
When there are more apps written for the 64 bit Tegra it will smoke everything else...... I my own opinion
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You are leaving out one important thing and that is that HTC is in no position of power, they are declining across the board. They need google more than Goole needs them so to think that google had no say in the hardware is absolutely asinine. HTC told Google we're making it like this or kick rocks....PLEASE! You proved my point in stating that it is a compromise, meaning google had to make a decision and they obviously did. I agree with that statement but you made it seem like htc tells google what they are doing point blank and google says yes HTC. HTC can't build the n9 without google signing off on the product as I'm sure you are aware of so google had the final say.
I'm done.
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I want to believe this.. I was telling myself things are not optimized for the chip and architecture and it will get better. They only thing left is the light bleed I see.
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AstroDigital said:
HTC makes Nexus 9, not Google.
I am sure Google has the say about the OS but not sure about the hardware.
2 Gig annoyed me but I am a big boy and said well it is still a Nexus device.... I will go for it.
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If it's anything like the Nexus 7, then Google Engineers worked with HTC engineers to design the Nexus 9. But at the end the Nexus is a Google product and they are the ones with the final say in how the hardware is designed.
http://www.techradar.com/us/news/mo...ned-the-google-nexus-7-in-four-months-1089680
So will this rumored 5.1 update slated to hit first quarter 2015 be some TLC for this tablet..?
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1. Release Q1 2011
2. Dual core 1.5ghz snapdragon
3. 1GB ram
4. At least 960x640 res super-amoled display
5. Touch screen which actually works
6. New version of android that that will be exclusive to the device for at least 2 months with some super cool features such as 1080p out via hdmi port
7. 10mp+ camera
8. Built by Motorola or HTC
Google.......make it happen
Sincerely,
Everyone, ever
Wont be any Nexus Two,,
My expectation is for it to not exist.
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My expectation is for it to not exist.
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^ this. Sadly.
1. Your choice of 16GB or 32GB internal memory
2. 960x640 high res display
3. "Fast App Switching"
4. Front facing camera for using "TimeToFace"
5. iOS Froyo
6. Your choice of two carriers: AT&T or whatever they use in the seventh circle of Hell after you've been decapitated.
They can call it the iNexus 2
Well, it might not be the Nexus Two, but I cant imagine Google never making another Dev Phone. So perhaps these should be expectations for the next Dev phone.
I'm hoping Eric was lieng and all, i remember them saying they wouldnt release a phone but they soon did. I do hope they make an N2.
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1. Your choice of 16GB or 32GB internal memory
2. 960x640 high res display
3. "Fast App Switching"
4. Front facing camera for using "TimeToFace"
5. iOS Froyo
6. Your choice of two carriers: AT&T or whatever they use in the seventh circle of Hell after you've been decapitated.
They can call it the iNexus 2
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No doubt. It looks like it was ripped from an iPhone ad. There's a time and a place where phone specs are over kill. Not that none of the above wouldn't be welcome... but as far as the next Nexus... well the first Nexus is still awesome.
I haven't put this damn phone down hardly at all. And its plenty fast. I think at this point, the software needs to play catch up to the high phone specs.
Nexus 2 will not happen. It's a fact.
Eric said they will not make one, and there is no reason to make one.
Android was pushed much farther and much faster then they anticipated, they have no reason to make one more Android developer phone. There are tons of awesome android phones out there already.
You'd think after a CEO tells you it won't happen, u wouldn't open threads about Nexus Two.
There will be no nexus 2 with the lamer specs, too conservative.
Perhaps the nexus 2 will ber a tablet computer based on gingerbread and nvidia tegra.
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Nexus 2 will not happen. It's a fact.
Eric said they will not make one, and there is no reason to make one.
Android was pushed much farther and much faster then they anticipated, they have no reason to make one more Android developer phone. There are tons of awesome android phones out there already.
You'd think after a CEO tells you it won't happen, u wouldn't open threads about Nexus Two.
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BUT, that does not mean that Motorola or HTC (independently) makes a Nexus Two (not a dev phone) but a continuation of the IP.
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Nexus 2 will not happen. It's a fact.
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Sorry to be pedantic but how can something in the future be fact? What you mean to say is that you don't think it will happen based on what Eric Schmidt has said.
I'm pretty sure they said they'd never get into the phone business too. Maybe Eric's keeping his cards very close to his chest and it's all a ruse.
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Why in the world would Motorola jump onto Google's trademark and start making "Nexus phones"???
It's like saying "Oh yeah, toyota no longer makes supras, but maybe we'll see a BMW Supra"... seriously.
Motorola will continue making "Droids", HTC will make their usual stuff, Samsung will push Galaxy line.
What's so bad about the fact that you have a special edition, one-of-a-kind developer phone that was released in limited quantities for a limited purpose, and then stopped selling? FFS, I was very happy when I saw that Nexus One sales will stop. In a year from now, I'll be selling mine in a perfect condition for BIG $$$$.
I see only positive in the fact that Nexus line is over. Heck, admit it, in a year or so, there will be much better phones than nexus for everyday use.
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Why in the world would Motorola jump onto Google's trademark and start making "Nexus phones"???
It's like saying "Oh yeah, toyota no longer makes supras, but maybe we'll see a BMW Supra"... seriously.
Motorola will continue making "Droids", HTC will make their usual stuff, Samsung will push Galaxy line.
What's so bad about the fact that you have a special edition, one-of-a-kind developer phone that was released in limited quantities for a limited purpose, and then stopped selling? FFS, I was very happy when I saw that Nexus One sales will stop. In a year from now, I'll be selling mine in a perfect condition for BIG $$$$.
I see only positive in the fact that Nexus line is over. Heck, admit it, in a year or so, there will be much better phones than nexus for everyday use.
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I dont believe it will be easy to sell our old Nexi (Yeah, thats right, I said Nexi). Think about it, would you buy a G1 for premium bucks now or the latest and greatest phone instead. Most people wanting the Nexus now are people like us that need the newest hardware every 3 months.
My prediction is that the next dev phone will not focus on faster, but focus on lower power. Increasing battery life has to be a cocern for them. 1ghz is plenty fast as we all know, but we could benefit from more efficient processors running at the same speed we have now.
Of course the same speed isn't as much fun.
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My prediction is that the next dev phone will not focus on faster, but focus on lower power. Increasing battery life has to be a cocern for them. 1ghz is plenty fast as we all know, but we could benefit from more efficient processors running at the same speed we have now.
Of course the same speed isn't as much fun.
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in the same way 640kb was more than enough for memory? Please
I love how everyone thinks their nexus ones are suddenly "collectors items" now, you guys are almost as bad as iphone fanboys
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Hardware of nexus one is just more than enough.. they need to improve the usability of android os even more i guess
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google should make nexus 2 like apple made iphone 3g 3gs 4g there should be n1 n2 n3 with a better hardware and software
Google said there won't be a continuation in the Nexus lineup, sorry folks.
So, I have been playijg around with my new Nexus S for a few hours and have everything loaded up like before. It's an awesome phone, just not surs ifbit is a $500 upgrade from the Nexus One that I currently own. My biggest issue is the limilted memory... with 12 gigs of music, my work files and others- I think I will run out soon, I am guessing they come out with a 32 gig before long. I will hang on to this and see how my N1 performs with GB. I really don't need a front facing camera or NFC chip. But I must admit, this thing is great and really flies! Anyone else having second thought?
It's disappointing that Google is going the Steve Jobs way trying to control what we can or can't do with our phones. I prefer my Nexus one 1000 times over this mediocre-half-ass attempt of a phone. I'll wait for Google to try again next year and bring back the tracking ball, memory slot, and a metallic casing instead of the plasticky one.
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It's disappointing that Google is going the Steve Jobs way trying to control what we can or can't do with our phones.
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Yeah, I don't really see the Google Walled Garden. You'll have to explain.
I am almost positive there will be a Nexus-M by Motorola, they really want in on the Nexus name I have heard. Might be called the Nexus-3.0 and released after Honeycomb comes out, but that's just rumors I have heard. I thought Moto was gonna get the Nexus-2 before Samsung got involved, so I am sure they are working on a Nexus phone for release in 2011.
Right now, today, the Nexus-S is the best Android phone on the market, if you want pure Android, with no carrier bloatware, and no branding crap like Sense or Touchwiz, and you just need to root this phone to make it bad ass, no real need for a custom rom like C 6.1.
I would not want the first dual core phone to market anyways, let them work out the kinks and bugs first, and I'll take the second round of dual core phones. Will give them time to really optimize Android for dual core after the 2nd gen is out.
I think the OP was asking if you have actually bought the phone are you having second thoughts.
To go from a Nexus One to a Nexus S and call it an upgrade is an oxymoron. To pay money and get a phone with less features is unwise. Gingerbread is coming to the Nexus One anyway.
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calin75 said:
To go from a Nexus One to a Nexus S and call it an upgrade is an oxymoron. To pay money and get a phone with less features is unwise.
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Where does Google say it's an upgrade? Link, please.
If you're just whining because the Nexus S doesn't have all the features that you want, then please stop. Go somewhere else and start your own thread, where you can complain all you want that the phone doesn't have a Jet Pack or a Rocket Launcher.
calin75 said:
It's disappointing that Google is going the Steve Jobs way trying to control what we can or can't do with our phones. I prefer my Nexus one 1000 times over this mediocre-half-ass attempt of a phone. I'll wait for Google to try again next year and bring back the tracking ball, memory slot, and a metallic casing instead of the plasticky one.
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It's hardly the same thing. Sure, Google may have taken out a couple features that you find important, but they are definitely not controlling anything. These decisions ONLY affect the Nexus S. The MANY other Android phones are not affected. So if you want a trackball and expandable memory, you can very well have that. Just buy a different phone. Apple on the other hand, prevents this freedom since the iPhone is the only available iOS phone.
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Where does Google say it's an upgrade? Link, please.
If you're just whining because the Nexus S doesn't have all the features that you want, then please stop. Go somewhere else and start your own thread, where you can complain all you want that the phone doesn't have a Jet Pack or a Rocket Launcher.
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This is a forum for people to share their opinions. If you really like the Nexus S, you shouldn't get mad if others don't. Go buy one, enjoy it and move on. But try to understand that different people use their phones differently.
For me, the lack of SD storage is a deal breaker. Like the OP, I have easily over 12GB of music that I load on my phones. I don't want to carry an MP3 player on top of my cellphone. Nexus S's lack of SD slot leaves me with very limited space for my other data (work emails, apps, pictures and clips that I shoot, and so on). Having said that, I could see how this wouldn't be an issue for someone who doesn't fill up their phone.
Secondly, no matter how you spin it, the hardware is not a noticeable step ahead from the Nexus One, or the myTouch 4G. The S has a 1GHz processor and so do a whole slew of phones by Samsung and other manufacturers.
Thirdly, the Nexus S doesn't utilize TMO's HSPA+ network. Again, this may not be a big deal for somebody who doesn't do heavy data on their phone. But I do, and I happen to live in an area where TMO's "4G" network works extremely well. I definitely consider going from HSPA+ back to "3G" a downgrade. You may not share that view...
Basically, the only selling point for the S is Gingerbread. Based on certain information I have, the MT4G is highly likely to get a 2.3 update on the other side of the year. A minor OS update isn't enough to convince me to buy this phone.
As for your "upgrade" comment, technology is expected to get better over time. It's just the way it works. Google doesn't need to hold a press conference event to tell us whether this phone is an upgrade over a phone released nearly a year ago. That is expected to be the case.
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I think the Nexus phones are Google's iPhone. It is untouched by Carrier bloatware, and untouched by phone brand UI's. This is the "pure" Android experience, sort of how iPhone is the "pure" Apple phone experience, but they only have one phone anyways, so sort of hard to compare, but you get my drift.
Is the Nexus-S gonna be the top dog hardware, no. But it will always be up to date with the current OS, and not really needing any custom roms, just a root. Sure in two months from now, there will be dual cores etc...but they will also have Moto blur, or TouchWiz, or Sense UI, and then have Verizon Bing search, or ATT crap ware. I like the virgin Nexus, even if she is a little slower
Every Christmas time there will be a new Nexus, running the latest OS, sort of like every summer there is a new iPhone. I hope this keeps going.
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Sure in two months from now, there will be dual cores etc...but they will also have Moto blur, or TouchWiz, or Sense UI, and then have Verizon Bing search, or ATT crap ware.
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even if there is, until android is written to support it, and the apps are as well, having an extra core will be useless.
I'm going to sit on my n1 until a dual core dev phone is released. By that point, my n1 will be at the same hardware comparison with the new phone that my g1 was with the n1
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even if there is, until android is written to support it, and the apps are as well, having an extra core will be useless.
I'm going to sit on my n1 until a dual core dev phone is released. By that point, my n1 will be at the same hardware comparison with the new phone that my g1 was with the n1
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Agreed, I would not want to be beta tester on the first gen of dual core phones, could be buggy, or could not offer any performance gains until the Android OS is totally ready for it . Now a dual core Nexus development phone would be nice.
Probably going to return mine
This phone is nice, but I really don't c much performance upgrade over my Nexus One. When I tried to watch some flash videos, it was just as choppy as my Nexus One...I was very disappointed. I think right before the remorse period is over I will return the phone and go back to my N1.
I visited Best Buy during lunch and got to play with a demo unit. The first impression is that the phone feels cheap. Yes, we've read about this many times in reviews, but I don't think one realizes it until one has it in their hands. It feels like a toy. And for whatever reason, it feels cheaper than the Vibrant; maybe because of expectations (Nexus branding and all)? I don't know. In some ways, the Vibrant's cheapness still feels like quality.
Granted, I was only using it for no more than 5 minutes, I was quite underwhelmed. Gingerbread sure is smooth, though.
Driving home with mine right now. 30 day return policy with no restocking fee. Ill see how gb does on my nexus one also and if I find any buyers. If gb flies on n1 and no buyers ill return. Can't wait to get home and charge it then wait till its done before I use. Fffuuuuuuu
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I too am underwhelmed with the device so far. Oh yes it is fast and smooth but I am getting Fc's and some have to do with the GPS which does concern me. My GPS has been spotty so far and I still recall the torture with the Vibrant's GPS. Also Market has not updated to the new market. I thought GB would include that for sure(perhaps it is not actually released yet although I have it on my Vibrant. I do like the feel of the phone though. It is heavier to me than the Vibrant or the MT4G
... Like 2 dicks and no *****, Samsung and Android don't mix.
Sorry but that's just the god's honest truth.
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I too am underwhelmed with the device so far. Oh yes it is fast and smooth but I am getting Fc's and some have to do with the GPS which does concern me. My GPS has been spotty so far and I still recall the torture with the Vibrant's GPS. Also Market has not updated to the new market. I thought GB would include that for sure(perhaps it is not actually released yet although I have it on my Vibrant. I do like the feel of the phone though. It is heavier to me than the Vibrant or the MT4G
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If you're getting FC's out of the box, do a full reset of the phone. If it keeps doing it even afterwards, then exchange it.
This is my first Samsung device and I disagree with the folks saying that it feels cheap or like a toy. My only complaint about it's build quality after having played with it for the last several hours is that I wish they had used some rubberized texture coating or something because the phone is pretty slick.
I'm sure I'll get used to it though and adjust my grip accordingly.
shawn1224 said:
... Like 2 dicks and no *****, Samsung and Android don't mix.
Sorry but that's just the god's honest truth.
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LOL I'm writing that one down.
Just got the nexus s today what do I do
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Make calls, send texts, and generally use it?
get to know it then ROOT IT!!!
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get to know it then ROOT IT!!!
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I double this, load a custom ROM, do whatever
Congrats on the phone, it is a great one
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I double this, load a custom ROM, do whatever
Congrats on the phone, it is a great one
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Congrats.
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Welcome to the club!!
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1. Visit market.android.com (with your desktop, laptop, iPad , netbook, etc browser)
2. Install apps like there's no tomorrow.
congratulations 1st
i dont think you need to install custom roms. i think the phone is perfect as its " for me anyway "
even though i want to ask you. assuming you know that dual core phones are starting to come from this month. " optimus 2x" with tegra 2 from nvidia, 8M 1080p video recording, hdmi output and 1.3 M front facing camera, why did you pick up the nexus S now ?
did you get it used for a good price ?
or you didnt know about newer phones coming in the market very soon ?
or you dont care about new technology and just want a pure google expierience without any added extra " theme" ?
because reading your question in the first post, you pretty much dont know how did you end up with the phone lol
Grats, should be getting mine today
going to be my first smartphone.
as for the question above me, at this time i don't see a need for dual core phones.
one of the main reasons why I went for the NS, is that it is not as common as many other phones, I like having something that not many others (atleast in my area) have.
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Grats, should be getting mine today
going to be my first smartphone.
as for the question above me, at this time i don't see a need for dual core phones.
one of the main reasons why I went for the NS, is that it is not as common as many other phones, I like having something that not many others (atleast in my area) have.
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how do you figure it out ? how do you figure it out that you dont need a dual core phone ?
the prices are not much of a difference, specialy if you are going to buy it new.
i am sorry but unless you provide me with a good reason like super amoled. pure google expiernce whatever, then there is no point of buying the nexus s TODAY when new phones are coming out within week or so.
same cant be applied for people who bought it when it came out in Dec.
Why don't I need a dual core phone? simple, for me the phone is mostly for calling and texting, now that i will have a smart phone I will add GPS navigation, emails, music, videos and casual gaming and probably other stuff that i might discover along the way.
From all that I have seen today on the internet and on smartphones that friends have, all these options run great on todays hardware.
Another reason for the nexus s is the 4" screen. most next gen devices are coming out with 4.3" screen, that makes the phone too big for me.
And I like the idea of the update support from google and not needing to rely on the manufacturer for updates.
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Why don't I need a dual core phone? simple, for me the phone is mostly for calling and texting, now that i will have a smart phone I will add GPS navigation, emails, music, videos and casual gaming and probably other stuff that i might discover along the way.
From all that I have seen today on the internet and on smartphones that friends have, all these options run great on todays hardware.
Another reason for the nexus s is the 4" screen. most next gen devices are coming out with 4.3" screen, that makes the phone too big for me.
And I like the idea of the update support from google and not needing to rely on the manufacturer for updates.
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all what you said apply on both phones
both are good in calling, both are good in gps emails music videos. and gaming.
the difference is the dual core just does it better in terms of multi media and gaming " better performance "
as for the 4.3 screen. its fine. even though optimus 2x is 4.0 screen and so is the atrix as far as i know
the only reason i see that you might have a point is the updates directly from google. which is good reason enough to buy the phone assuming you are honest with your self when you typed that as one of the main reasons. because yeah it takes much longer to get updates if its not from google.
Congrats on the phone.
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1ST) Don't forget that nexus S is a developer phone. If user wanted features, they would be better off buying any other android in today's market. If they want FM, memory slot, better cam, fancy UI, cheaper in price there are many other better options out there in competition to nexus s, and those options where already there before in December then the phone came out. main advantage of nexus s is that it is basic android phone with direct support from google. new software updates comes out to this phone then any other. that is handy for people developing, testing or integrating software for android.
2ND) dual-core cpu, with better performance GPU, bigger screen = short lasting battery, inconvenient to carry.... also dont forget u r buying a phone, not a PC. wont u rather play those nicer games on ur PC then on phone; come on, dont tell me everyone just keeps travelling whole week with no time to sit at a desk and enjoy games, videos, music. I still find it more convenient to send a proper email from my PC then from phone, though i like the fact that i can scan new emails quickly and sometimes send short replies (SMS-like). in short, I think going for those dual-core as soon as they come out would be an overkill. I would rather wait 10 months to a year, and buy the second generation of dual-core phones when they have better-ed battery use, with smaller size and get to choose from more apps that support dual-core.
3RD) for the enthus out there, its a matter of must have, whenever they can afford it, whatever they use it for, even if they understand the phone completely or not, its a toy by their preferred brand
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Congrats on the phone.
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1ST) Don't forget that nexus S is a developer phone. If user wanted features, they would be better off buying any other android in today's market. If they want FM, memory slot, better cam, fancy UI, cheaper in price there are many other better options out there in competition to nexus s, and those options where already there before in December then the phone came out. main advantage of nexus s is that it is basic android phone with direct support from google. new software updates comes out to this phone then any other. that is handy for people developing, testing or integrating software for android.
2ND) dual-core cpu, with better performance GPU, bigger screen = short lasting battery, inconvenient to carry.... also dont forget u r buying a phone, not a PC. wont u rather play those nicer games on ur PC then on phone; come on, dont tell me everyone just keeps travelling whole week with no time to sit at a desk and enjoy games, videos, music. I still find it more convenient to send a proper email from my PC then from phone, though i like the fact that i can scan new emails quickly and sometimes send short replies (SMS-like). in short, I think going for those dual-core as soon as they come out would be an overkill. I would rather wait 10 months to a year, and buy the second generation of dual-core phones when they have better-ed battery use, with smaller size and get to choose from more apps that support dual-core.
3RD) for the enthus out there, its a matter of must have, whenever they can afford it, whatever they use it for, even if they understand the phone completely or not, its a toy by their preferred brand
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1- then you agree with me. because thats what i said for people who bought it in Dec, then yeah. awesome. but for someone who is today, going to shop for a phone. i am sorry but the nexus S is not as a great value as say,, atrix or optimus 2x ( unless i want google updates or want a super amoled screen.. you know.. reasons to own a nexus S phone ". as a consumer, i dont give a crap if the phone is a developers phone or not. the end results is what matters to me.
PLUS i also agreed on the part that if he bought the phone for google updates, then thats a valid reason and he made the right choice " if it was honestly his intention like me who got sick of galaxy S lame updates by samsung.
2- the battery excuse was proven wrong with both optimus 2x released in korea where people report that the phone last more than 1 day with heavy usage . and the atrix even has a 1900 mah battery. that will pobably last longer. so please dont use that excuse.
and i know i am buying a phone. but if my phone can do pc stuff as well. then hell yeah. after all, you bought your phone for multi media. music. gps , movies, games etc. these are all PC stuff. otherwise you would have stayed on a cheap nokia phone that do nothing but calls. to me you seems you are trying to justify your purchase saying nexus S is a phone when atrix/optimus 2x are not a phone but PCs. when they both are doing the same functions exactly. but the atrix optimus 2x doing it better.
dont justify your reason for a phone. you pick whatever you want. its a personal taste, you might have bought the nexus S because you like the hardware design. its your money. you do whatever you want. when i asked i wanted a honest answer as maybe. just MAYBE he made the wrong choice. after all, we all come here for discussion and feedback/complaints/help if needed. thats what makes us a great community. " aside from troll posts ofcourse "
3- i also agree with you on this. thats what i just above. personal taste.
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how do you figure it out ? how do you figure it out that you dont need a dual core phone ?
the prices are not much of a difference, specialy if you are going to buy it new.
i am sorry but unless you provide me with a good reason like super amoled. pure google expiernce whatever, then there is no point of buying the nexus s TODAY when new phones are coming out within week or so.
same cant be applied for people who bought it when it came out in Dec.
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LOL.
I actually agree with you that it's an odd time to be buying a Nexus S for most folks, but your final sentence there doesn't sit quite right.
You seem to be saying that the "magic" timeframe to justify buying a phone when better/faster/slicker devices are just around the corner is 3 months? I don't want to be buying a new phone every three months, though I've sort of fallen into that trap over the last year (Nexus One, Galaxy S i9000, iPhone 4, Nexus S all bought and kept in less than a year, with several others given a test drive).
Those of us who bought the Nexus S in December were heavily criticized even back then for buying what many called "outdated" technology with dual core phones coming out in a few months.
My experience with Android phones has been that there is ALWAYS a better phone coming out in a month or two. Pick what meets your needs today and get it and don't worry about justifying the purchase to some stranger in a forum...you'll go nuts otherwise.
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congratulations 1st
i dont think you need to install custom roms. i think the phone is perfect as its " for me anyway "
even though i want to ask you. assuming you know that dual core phones are starting to come from this month. " optimus 2x" with tegra 2 from nvidia, 8M 1080p video recording, hdmi output and 1.3 M front facing camera, why did you pick up the nexus S now ?
did you get it used for a good price ?
or you didnt know about newer phones coming in the market very soon ?
or you dont care about new technology and just want a pure google expierience without any added extra " theme" ?
because reading your question in the first post, you pretty much dont know how did you end up with the phone lol
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well i am in love with the way the nexus s looks and i'd rather wait for the galaxy s 2 which the guy told me 4th quarter but if it comes out earlier these bad boys go on ebay for like $500-650 so i will just sell and buy the phone off contract
I was one of those who decided to buy a Nexus S now. In my case, a friend of mine was traveling to the US and coming back this week. I had an option of getting an Atrix or a Nexus S.
The reasons I went for the Nexus S are:
1) Motorola not only locked the baseband, but this time they signed the files. This makes the Atrix almost iPhone-like. If I wanted a closed system, I'd have stuck with the iPhone some time ago, and not switched to Android.
2) I owned a Galaxy S, which I gave to my wife (who had a Milestone) and I'm in love with Super AMOLED screens. It has raised the bar really high for me, and I wouldn't settle for any screen. Many Atrix users have reported that the Atrix screen, despite the resolution, is not that great.
3) Atrix ships with Android 2.2, and who knows when they'll have 2.3 (considering this is Motorola we're talking about.) And with Android 2.2, the Atrix seemed sluggish (on the interface) in every video I've seen so far.
4) Considering that phones are much more expensive here in Brazil, I was able to sell my wife's Milestone for just as much as I paid for the Nexus. And I even managed to give my friend (who bought it) a sweet deal. That's how expensive these things are around here. So I didn't really spend any money on the upgrade.
I don't know when my friend will be in the US again, so it was kind of a "now or never" sort of thing.
I guess I'll just wait for Google to release the next Nexus, or go for the Galaxy S2 in a few months. Right now, I'm really happy with my choice. The Nexus S feels like someone took the Galaxy S (which was already a phone I really loved) and made it even better.
Just my two cents...
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how do you figure it out ? how do you figure it out that you dont need a dual core phone ?
the prices are not much of a difference, specialy if you are going to buy it new.
i am sorry but unless you provide me with a good reason like super amoled. pure google expiernce whatever, then there is no point of buying the nexus s TODAY when new phones are coming out within week or so.
same cant be applied for people who bought it when it came out in Dec.
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I can afford both phones, but am leaning towards the Nexus S for the following reasons:
1) SAMOLED colors and contrasts
2) Usable front camera for video calls
3) Will get Ice Cream (GPU acceleration and Gtalk video chat) in June, unlike the encrypted Atrix (next December, maybe?)
4) Most good apps will run on it just fine, while Atrix only has a couple of good Tegra 2 games and many apps that won't run on it till devs have a reason to update them by the end of the year (like all the video call apps, for instance).
Congrats on your phone!
Ignore the people who think you bought it late. I'm still waiting for it to be released in my country (should be any day now). It will be my first smartphone. My previous 2 phones (yeah I only had two) were Sony Ericsson Walkman phones, which are the best "dumb" phones there are in my opinion, but I have kept an eye on Android since it has been introduced. I have been patiently waiting untill the OS would be more grown-up, and I think the time has come.
I'm not the kind of guy that buys another phone within a year. If I buy a phone, I plan to use it for at least 2 years. Because of that, I want a phone that I think I can use for more than 2 years. It has to be special to me.
But, this doesn't mean I want the latest hardware. I am more than happy with what the Nexus S can do, and for now I don't see any reason to have a dual-core device. There just aren't features that I may use that need it, and the Nexus S is fast enough. Of course, since dual-core phones aren't more expensive than the Nexus S, I could just buy a dual-core phone, but the Nexus S seems more complete to me. And this is a thing I can't really describe....
I just think the Nexus S is unique. Unique enough to last more than 2 years, and still have people saying "nice phone".
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1- then you agree with me. because thats what i said for people who bought it in Dec, then yeah. awesome. but for someone who is today, going to shop for a phone. i am sorry but the nexus S is not as a great value as say,, atrix or optimus 2x ( unless i want google updates or want a super amoled screen.. you know.. reasons to own a nexus S phone ". as a consumer, i dont give a crap if the phone is a developers phone or not. the end results is what matters to me.
PLUS i also agreed on the part that if he bought the phone for google updates, then thats a valid reason and he made the right choice " if it was honestly his intention like me who got sick of galaxy S lame updates by samsung.
2- the battery excuse was proven wrong with both optimus 2x released in korea where people report that the phone last more than 1 day with heavy usage . and the atrix even has a 1900 mah battery. that will pobably last longer. so please dont use that excuse.
and i know i am buying a phone. but if my phone can do pc stuff as well. then hell yeah. after all, you bought your phone for multi media. music. gps , movies, games etc. these are all PC stuff. otherwise you would have stayed on a cheap nokia phone that do nothing but calls. to me you seems you are trying to justify your purchase saying nexus S is a phone when atrix/optimus 2x are not a phone but PCs. when they both are doing the same functions exactly. but the atrix optimus 2x doing it better.
dont justify your reason for a phone. you pick whatever you want. its a personal taste, you might have bought the nexus S because you like the hardware design. its your money. you do whatever you want. when i asked i wanted a honest answer as maybe. just MAYBE he made the wrong choice. after all, we all come here for discussion and feedback/complaints/help if needed. thats what makes us a great community. " aside from troll posts ofcourse "
3- i also agree with you on this. thats what i just above. personal taste.
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There isn't another phone or tablet on the market now or coming in the near future that can push out 4.4k on quadrant without breaking a sweat. Dual cores won't be worth it until they have ice cream and can make use of both cores until then the only reason to own one is to make you feel like your gadget **** is bigger.
Furthermore why buy an atrix now when the HTC pyramid is coming soon? Dual 1.2 ghz snap dragon cores? Hell yes. Oh wait by the time that comes Tegra 3 phones will be coming out. So why buy a dual core when quad core phones are coming?!. .................
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Is it just me, or is the Xoom the best Android tablet STILL after 2 years? No other tablet from any other manufacturer (or offered by any carrier) offers the combination of LTE, external SD storage, quality screen, fast processor (once overclocked), and overall usability. I've seen the samsung tabs that are out, and none of the LTE ones are really an improvement over the xoom. They offer a dual core, 1 GB of RAM, same resolution screen, etc. I have no intention on replacing my Xoom unless something really groundbreaking comes out (1080p screen, LTE, external SD support, solid battery life). Thoughts?
I agree and I hate that the nexus series doesn't have place for external SD storage....wtf did they think??
Preach!
The XOOM has the worst display panel I've ever seen on a modern device. Colors are bleached they're so pale.
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The XOOM has the worst display panel I've ever seen on a modern device. Colors are bleached they're so pale.
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Had to be one hater
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Had to be one hater
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So being honest about my device makes me a hater? Sound logic.
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So being honest about my device makes me a hater? Sound logic.
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Seriously.
I don't get threads like this. Is the OP just trying to justify not upgrading his tablet or the fact that he has a relatively old device? Every 6 months we see new and better hardware. The Xoom is not the best, by any means. It is outdated.
That doesn't mean it doesn't still hold its purpose. It is holding up well, especially with custom rom support but compare it to the performance of a Nexus 7 or a Nexus 10 or even a Galaxy Nexus. Compare it to an S3. There are notable performance differences.
Honestly, the Xoom was a bit of a flop on launch; it was a rushed beta product. It shipped with beta software (lol Honeycomb), software that didn't even support the micro sd card (we had to wait until 3.2 for this I believe), its display is garbage, (it should have had the same display as the original Transformer tablet), and its prices were a joke ($600 with 2yr contract, $800 off contract). Eventually we got a $600 wifi version, though still overpriced IMO. And of course the marketing for the device was just plain bad; no surprise there though, Motorola device marketing is always poor.
With all that said, the Xoom has been a great device and I've used it endlessly over the past 1.5 years. But to try and say its still the best tablet on the market is just foolish. I might agree that its the best of the 2011 10" tablets that were released, but the Transformer had nearly identical specs with a better display and the advent of a keyboard dock, I'm just not sure how development over there has been.
Anyway, point is, the Xoom was and remains a great device. It has endured the test of time, in large thanks to developers like Team Eos. But it is by no means the best tablet on the market. That ship sailed quite some time ago.
There still isn't another Android tablet I'd rather have (well other than the Kindle Fire 8.9 HD because I like the interface for Amazon Instant Video.) I really don't care about all of this performance that people go gaga over because I don't use my XOOM for games. It does what I need it to snappily enough. The only thing I would even consider replacing this with is the Surface Pro.
If this tablet died today, I would be sorely tempted to get a used XOOM LTE before I priced out another Android tablet.
I don't mind that the screen is subpar, a 10" tablet is still small anyway.
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Its still a good device... there are wayyyyyy better tablets out there but still. I'm keeping mine just to install in whatever car I buy in a few no that. It should do just fine!
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Seriously.
I don't get threads like this. Is the OP just trying to justify not upgrading his tablet or the fact that he has a relatively old device? Every 6 months we see new and better hardware. The Xoom is not the best, by any means. It is outdated.
That doesn't mean it doesn't still hold its purpose. It is holding up well, especially with custom rom support but compare it to the performance of a Nexus 7 or a Nexus 10 or even a Galaxy Nexus. Compare it to an S3. There are notable performance differences.
Honestly, the Xoom was a bit of a flop on launch; it was a rushed beta product. It shipped with beta software (lol Honeycomb), software that didn't even support the micro sd card (we had to wait until 3.2 for this I believe), its display is garbage, (it should have had the same display as the original Transformer tablet), and its prices were a joke ($600 with 2yr contract, $800 off contract). Eventually we got a $600 wifi version, though still overpriced IMO. And of course the marketing for the device was just plain bad; no surprise there though, Motorola device marketing is always poor.
With all that said, the Xoom has been a great device and I've used it endlessly over the past 1.5 years. But to try and say its still the best tablet on the market is just foolish. I might agree that its the best of the 2011 10" tablets that were released, but the Transformer had nearly identical specs with a better display and the advent of a keyboard dock, I'm just not sure how development over there has been.
Anyway, point is, the Xoom was and remains a great device. It has endured the test of time, in large thanks to developers like Team Eos. But it is by no means the best tablet on the market. That ship sailed quite some time ago.
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Everything you say is true. I was not saying that it is the best tablet on the market spec wise, I just see no other tablet offered that has the Xoom's combination of features. Sure the Nexus 10 is great, but why can't I get one with external SD support and LTE? I use my Xoom primarily for work, so the LTE is a huge selling point (I do a lot of traveling). The only android tablet available right now that can match what the Xoom has to offer is the Samsung Galaxy 2 10.1, and it has the same Tegra 2, 1 GB of RAM, and a 1280x800 display. I did see that Verizon is launching the Note 10.1 which is rocking a quad core and 2 GB of RAM, but it still has a 1280x800 display. It'll probably look better than the Xoom's display, but my S3 (personal phone) has about the same resolution as the tabs I just mentioned (1280x720 vs 800) and that's a much smaller screen. I'm seriously hoping the Asus Transformer TF700KL becomes available here.
You are also absolutely right that Team EOS has been a huge part in keeping the Xoom alive. I convinced my coworker to get the Xoom when it first came out and it was incredibly disappointing. He gave it to me a year later, I installed some older ICS rom and it's performance was satisfactory at best. Since I installed Team Eos 3 stable bluild, my xoom has been an effin' peach!
External sdcards need to die. Internal storage and cloud storage is the future.
Seriously, I've had a 32GB sdcard in my Xoom for over a year and I don't think I've ever removed/swapped it out. I would be perfectly okay with a 64GB internal storage tablet (maybe we'll even see 128 GB in the future? doesn't the iPad come in a 128 GB variant?).
As for LTE, I'm willing to bet we'll at least see a 3G version of the Nexus 10 come out; we saw a 3G Nexus 7 not too long after release.
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External sdcards need to die. Internal storage and cloud storage is the future.
Seriously, I've had a 32GB sdcard in my Xoom for over a year and I don't think I've ever removed/swapped it out. I would be perfectly okay with a 64GB internal storage tablet (maybe we'll even see 128 GB in the future? doesn't the iPad come in a 128 GB variant?).
As for LTE, I'm willing to bet we'll at least see a 3G version of the Nexus 10 come out; we saw a 3G Nexus 7 not too long after release.
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It doesn't need to die but, it will. Alot of potential money is being lost by manufacturers and mobile data carriers.
I have finally come to a situation that leads me needing more than my XOOM can offer. I downloaded SightSpace 3d and brought in a model of the Washington National Cathedral. It's not a complicated model but it crashed. It doesn't on my Galaxy Nexus. I still don't think I'm gonna get another Android tablet though.
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External sdcards need to die. Internal storage and cloud storage is the future.
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Yes, but we're not in that future yet. Cloud services go down far too often these days. At this point, I can get SD cards for almost nothing and switch between movies faster than I can download them. I also am guaranteed a smoother viewing experience as my movies won't fall victim to network latency. It's a nice dream but I live in the present.
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Its not a dream at all if you live in a modern/civilized area.
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It doesn't needAlot of potential money is being lost by manufacturers and mobile data carriers.
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How?
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Its not a dream at all if you live in a modern/civilized area.
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How?
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Most of the world considers a reliable power grid, flushing toilets and ready supply of food to be modern and civilized, so are you just trolling or ignorant?? Of course areas with a higher population will be taken care of first when it comes to technology. The county I live in is larger than the state of Maryland, yet Maryland holds at least five times the population. Who do you think is going to be higher up on the "todo" list?
How, is simple economics. If google/samsung is charging a extra $50 dollars for every 8 gigs of internal storage, they would lose money adding a ext. sd slot since you can pick up a 16 gig card for $10-$20, and a 64 gb for $50-$90 (sometimes less) Why pay them more money for something that you can get more of for less money.
Data mobile carriers can make money on us less "civilized" folk who don't have a abundance of free wifi spots in our area, so, if we aren't near a wifi spot to download from our cloud storage, we have to use mobile data or do without. Two of the big mobile carriers are no longer offering unlimited data, so you have to pay. Others are offering unlimited, but ppl that are using more are getting throttled whether the companies will admit it or not. I won't be surprised if premium data packages start coming out offering faster data speeds by putting those accounts on priority... for a price
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Most of the world considers a reliable power grid, flushing toilets and ready supply of food to be modern and civilized, so are you just trolling or ignorant?? Of course areas with a higher population will be taken care of first when it comes to technology. The county I live in is larger than the state of Maryland, yet Maryland holds at least five times the population. Who do you think is going to be higher up on the "todo" list?
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Hey man, thats some adorable sarcasm. Look at you being all edgy. Man I wish I could be as cute and clever as you are.
Sorry but those places aren't the primary target for high end, high tech devices. By any means. OEMs should be pushing for more advanced tech, not less to accommodate people; this includes sd cards. Have you noticed that Apple hasn't included an sdcard slot for generations? Its no surprise that Google went this route. Its simpler manufacturing wise to not have the slot, helps encourage people to buy the devices with with more available internal storage (and thus have wider profit margins), and it compels people to take advantage of their streaming media market. All of these things help their bottom line.
How, is simple economics. If google/samsung is charging a extra $50 dollars for every 8 gigs of internal storage, they would lose money adding a ext. sd slot since you can pick up a 16 gig card for $10-$20, and a 64 gb for $50-$90 (sometimes less) Why pay them more money for something that you can get more of for less money.
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Again, I point you to Apple. They've been doing this for years and guess what? It works. Consumers buy it. Guess what also has been selling like hot cakes? The new Nexus devices. Yeah, they're sure losing out on a lot of money.
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Seriously, you took my "modern and civilized" comment a bit too literally, don't you think? We're talking about high end mobile devices in a giant nerd forum and you jump straight to HEY MAN RUNNING WATER AND STUFF.
The simple fact is, the cloud is big and getting bigger. Amazon, Apple, B&N and Google all have their hand in the cookie jar, It should be no surprise that they are pushing toward this. Remember that revamp they did last year with the Android market to the Google Play Store? Google Movies/TV. Watch some of their commercials for the tablets; "The Playground is Open." All from the cloud.
Sorry but the future is here and Google isn't going to hold the hands of people that are left behind, they're going to push forward like any smart company.
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Hey man, thats some adorable sarcasm. Look at you being all edgy. Man I wish I could be as cute and clever as you are.
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Thanks.
Sorry but those places aren't the primary target for high end, high tech devices. By any means. OEMs should be pushing for more advanced tech, not less to accommodate people; this includes sd cards. Have you noticed that Apple hasn't included an sdcard slot for generations? Its no surprise that Google went this route. Its simpler manufacturing wise to not have the slot, helps encourage people to buy the devices with with more available internal storage (and thus have wider profit margins), and it compels people to take advantage of their streaming media market. All of these things help their bottom line.
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And your point is?? I said that ext. sd didn't NEED to do but that it was going too. You still haven't explained why it needs to die, except, now, that it helps profit margins for the manufacturers...pretty much making my point for me, thanks again
Again, I point you to Apple. They've been doing this for years and guess what? It works. Consumers buy it. Guess what also has been selling like hot cakes? The new Nexus devices. Yeah, they're sure losing out on a lot of money.
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Apple is a nitch market, If you want to run iOS you need to have a Apple device, only available through Apple, so if they say it doesn't include a ext. sd slot, then it doesn't, if you don't like it, then you don't buy Apple. If you buy a Apple device with 16 gb then 6 months down the road want one with a 32 gb, then you have to buy a new device. Again proved my point.
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Seriously, you took my "modern and civilized" comment a bit too literally, don't you think? We're talking about high end mobile devices in a giant nerd forum and you jump straight to HEY MAN RUNNING WATER AND STUFF.
The simple fact is, the cloud is big and getting bigger. Amazon, Apple, B&N and Google all have their hand in the cookie jar, It should be no surprise that they are pushing toward this. Remember that revamp they did last year with the Android market to the Google Play Store? Google Movies/TV. Watch some of their commercials for the tablets; "The Playground is Open." All from the cloud.
Sorry but the future is here and Google isn't going to hold the hands of people that are left behind, they're going to push forward like any smart company.
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You jumped straight to, anybody that doesn't have constant, reliable ever ready internet access is in the stone age, I was just playing along, your point? Just because because it is big and getting bigger, doesn't mean it is better.
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Its no surprise that Google went this route. Its simpler manufacturing wise to not have the slot, helps encourage people to buy the devices with with more available internal storage (and thus have wider profit margins), and it compels people to take advantage of their streaming media market. All of these things help their bottom line.
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That is not the reason Google didn't putting sd card in their tablet and phone, Paying MS for using fat32 isn't in google cards,
all other android tech company do for using sd card, Motorola and Google nexus is not paying Microsoft toll money...
That is pretty ridiculous. Your modern civilized world couldn't even support Netflix on Christmas Eve. Part of Amazon's cloud services went down and many things weren't available. During hurricane Sandy, many prominent things on the internet were down. Your wifi and high speed broadband mean nothing if network bridges go down. I've got FiOS and it's still slow at times because the server on the other end only has T1. The cloud is not reliable yet. Most of the mainlines of the internet aren't scalable enough to support everyone cloud streaming everything. Apple is a poor example you've picked. iCloud was a disaster. Apple AND Amazon had a security nightmare in the last year. I can find more examples of these forward reaching companies flaking out if you insist that this is the future. We just don't have the redundancy or the capacity to support a connected world yet. Even if Apple managed to get its stuff together, there are still players that it depends on not to flake out on them.
If this is the future, we're screwed because it is an unstable insecure mess in our little modern and civilized world.
Anyway... My XOOM is 100% able to play every movie I own from my SD cards ALL of the time. If I have power, I have everything I own. I am not at some provider's mercy for data or connectivity. Oh, and by the way I don't have to worry about network security because I don't have to be connected. Ever.
I live in the present. I don't embrace the cloud and keep it at arm's length after a friendly handshake. The XOOM's LTE radio lets me enjoy the best of both worlds. I look to the future but I also remember the past and remain cognizant of what's happening around me.
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. Apple AND Amazon had a security nightmare in the last year. I don't embrace the cloud and keep it at arm's length after a friendly handshake. The XOOM's LTE radio lets me enjoy the best of both worlds. I look to the future but I also remember the past and remain cognizant of what's happening around me.
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Had to smile when i read your post, I host all of my media files and use Plex and Xbmc to access them over the net when i am not at home, As i am posting this a buddy in the caribbean is log on with plex on his At&t Galaxy 10 watching a movie....
He makes some valid points, especially on the price. In summary, he argues that the price isn't outrageous for a number of reasons:
- The specs of this phone are insane and can justify a higher price tag
- The premium build on this phone is unlike any of the previous Nexus devices
- Companies such as Apple and Samsung sell phones that are even more expensive. Nexus 6 is actually a bit cheaper than it's competitors.
- The Nexus 6 is Google's step on becoming mainstream and more premium feeling Stock Android experience
What do you guys think?
All this is true. I think main reason people are pissed is because this is like a complete switch over tight. Go from 4" phones that are 350 to 6" phones that are 1.2x the previous price with no in between ya know? Such as a smaller device with slim down spec and cheaper price. It is true that compare to others it is cheap...but let not forget, lg g3 is cheaper and it gives us just about everything the n6 (32gb) offers (almost) so google really had no excuse
Yeah, I can understand that. Big changes aren't always welcome.
The LG G3 is a great phone but the Nexus 6 has (slightly) newer specs. Of course, this probably won't be noticable at all.
Also, the Nexus 6 has a better design in my opinion even if I loved the G3's design.
Google is just trying something new.
The jump from the Galaxy Nexus to the N4 was just as precipitous, just in the opposite direction. IIRC, the GN was something like $600 when it was released. The VZW on-contract price was $300. It was not cheap at all.
I personally don't care for the price, its not an issue with me because of my career. And honestly, come on, people expected to get such specs and fast charging at 400? lol...come on yall...let be real here. Our economy is inflated that means so will nexus devices
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I personally don't care for the price, its not an issue with me because of my career. And honestly, come on, people expected to get such specs and fast charging at 400? lol...come on yall...let be real here. Our economy is inflated that means so will nexus devices
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Just saying, the fast charging isn't something that costs a lot to implement. Its been there since the LG G2 even the nexus 5 has the hardware but it hasn't been activated for use. Even the new moto x has turbo charging, its part of the 800,801,805 chips.
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I personally don't care for the price, its not an issue with me because of my career. And honestly, come on, people expected to get such specs and fast charging at 400? lol...come on yall...let be real here. Our economy is inflated that means so will nexus devices
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I think it just has become an expectation from the Nexus series since the N4 started the whole price reduction thing. Just like No SD Card Support or Removable Battery once something adheres from one generation to the next people assume it will remain that way for Nexus.
As for me, it cannot come out soon enough!
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Dear All,
Yes, the price of the device is not Nexus 5 territory anymore. Google listened to your requests:
1. Larger battery -> Complied.
2. Better speakers. ->Complied.
3. Android 5.0 -> Complied.
4. More screen on time -> Complied.
5. Premium feel -> Complied.
What more can you ask from Google. They met our requests but also added a new direction that they feel will be of best interests for their business model. They are clearly moving towards more mainstream this time as 4 carriers will carry the phone right from the start. Samsung can't have all the fun with the phablet segment so Google and Apple wants a piece of the pie. Apple won't argue with money since Samsung took so many sales from them with the Note series. Google did leave us Nexus owners a bad taste in our mouth since we were use to the bargain price for a well rounded phone. Now, they want to move in another direction. They did keep the N5 active for people waiting for the N6 if they are thinking of upgrading from N4 or other devices. The N5 is the answer if you want a more "one hand friendly" phone and the N5 is a great phone. With the Lollipop soon to be on the phone, it will even get better with battery life and the overall experience.
Finally, if the N6 is right for you... hand over $649 / $699 to Google and enjoy your monster N6. If the N6 doesn't float your boat, the N5 is a great phone (current owner of N5 too) to fill your needs or wait till early spring/summer 2015 for 64-bit flagships to appear in a smaller footprint.
I think I will get Nexus on Verizon. And try it for a year if I don't like it, more 64 bit phones will be out which will present more options. I'm betting that the nexus will have better support a year or two when comparing it to Touchwiz.
My note 2 is starting to feel a bit slow.
Ill admit. I was floored when I saw the price but when you think about it, its not overpriced at all. Im pretty much sold on picking one up and upgrading from my N4. Only thing that would deter me is if reviews are utterly terrible, and something tells me thats not happening
I honestly don't believe they are canning the n5... Kind of like apple having the 6 and 6+
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He makes some valid points, especially on the price. In summary, he argues that the price isn't outrageous for a number of reasons:
- The specs of this phone are insane and can justify a higher price tag
- The premium build on this phone is unlike any of the previous Nexus devices
- Companies such as Apple and Samsung sell phones that are even more expensive. Nexus 6 is actually a bit cheaper than it's competitors.
- The Nexus 6 is Google's step on becoming mainstream and more premium feeling Stock Android experience
What do you guys think?
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I think it's a tablet. I think that Google and other companies are forgetting that these are phones. It's a ridiculously big phone, and I doubt it's not going to go mainstream. Phone makers need to remember these are portable devices, they keep getting bigger and bigger and are officially in tablet territory now.
Price was never the issue for me. For once it has quite good specs without skimping on stuff but the phone itself is MASSIVE. If I buy one I'll have to buy new clothes.
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I think it's a tablet. I think that Google and other companies are forgetting that these are phones. It's a ridiculously big phone, and I doubt it's not going to go mainstream. Phone makers need to remember these are portable devices, they keep getting bigger and bigger and are officially in tablet territory now.
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I think you're forgetting that every year people complain that phones are getting too big, and yet people continue to buy them happily. Even Apple has seen enough evidence to release Android-sized phones so you know it's obvious if they're changing their plan, stubborn as they are. As mentioned in the video, the Nexus 6 is the same height as the iPhone 6 plus and doesn't appear to be much larger than the Note 4...so don't let the screen-size alone determine your beliefs.
Do you think for one second that if Google is able to achieve sales similar to those of the Samsung Note series that they'll be disappointed? Clearly there is a market for this size phone and it's continuing to grow as people realize bigger is better with phones, despite the drawbacks. That's not to say it's for everyone, so you can continue to choose from one of the many options available at a size/price you prefer.
I wonder what the on contract price will be
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i think considering the s10 x64 processors will be out and be a standard in the s6 and m9 ..etc the n6 isn't worth the price tag.
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I honestly don't believe they are canning the n5... Kind of like apple having the 6 and 6+
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well obviously the rumor of them revamping it with higher specs were wrong.
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I think you're forgetting that every year people complain that phones are getting too big, and yet people continue to buy them happily. Even Apple has seen enough evidence to release Android-sized phones so you know it's obvious if they're changing their plan, stubborn as they are. As mentioned in the video, the Nexus 6 is the same height as the iPhone 6 plus and doesn't appear to be much larger than the Note 4...so don't let the screen-size alone determine your beliefs.
Do you think for one second that if Google is able to achieve sales similar to those of the Samsung Note series that they'll be disappointed? Clearly there is a market for this size phone and it's continuing to grow as people realize bigger is better with phones, despite the drawbacks. That's not to say it's for everyone, so you can continue to choose from one of the many options available at a size/price you prefer.
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Google is never going to encroach on Samsung. Ever. It's futile to try and Nexus devices have never sold well. Bigger is better, until you pass 5.5" or so. When does it stop? 7" phone? 7.5" phone screen? How big do people really need their phone? I can be equally productive on a nexus 5 as I can a nexus 6. Period.
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Price was never the issue for me. For once it has quite good specs without skimping on stuff but the phone itself is MASSIVE. If I buy one I'll have to buy new clothes.
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I've seen this argument quite a few times now, where exactly did previous Nexus phones "skimp". It seems to be something people are using to justify the high price despite for the past two years everyone saying the nexus was a high end phone for half the price...
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i think considering the s10 x64 processors will be out and be a standard in the s6 and m9 ..etc the n6 isn't worth the price tag.
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I think by the time 64 bit actually matters in phones I will have moved on to the next Nexus, so it's not an issue for me. Like most tech people (I think), I'm not the type of person who keeps the same phone for more than a year or two max.
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Google is never going to encroach on Samsung. Ever. It's futile to try and Nexus devices have never sold well. Bigger is better, until you pass 5.5" or so. When does it stop? 7" phone? 7.5" phone screen? How big do people really need their phone? I can be equally productive on a nexus 5 as I can a nexus 6. Period.
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Google will certainly make a dent considering they are selling this Nexus via all US carriers for the first time...so it doesn't really matter what they did in the past, this is a new era. They definitely won't make a huge dent, but it has a chance to be meaningful.
How can you possibly argue that "bigger is better until you pass 5.5" or so". That's not some magical number that has any real meaning...it's simply your brain deciding that you've had enough, despite the fact that you've never used the Nexus 6. A million people said the same thing when phones moved to 4.7"...then they said it again at 5.0"...then they said it again at 5.2"...they said it about the Note when it came out...and now they're saying the same thing about the Nexus 6...they've been wrong every single time and I see no reason to believe that suddenly this is it.
I think we're probably pushing the limit of how big you want a smartphone, but that's EXACTLY what I want to happen. I want the biggest damn phone that isn't "too big". We won't know what "too big" is until we get there, but I don't believe the Note 4 was too big and we know that the Nexus 6 is not that much bigger..much of the half inch screen size difference is made up for by smaller bezels, which is also something I want to see continue to happen.
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I think by the time 64 bit actually matters in phones I will have moved on to the next Nexus, so it's not an issue for me. Like most tech people (I think), I'm not the type of person who keeps the same phone for more than a year or two max.
Google will certainly make a dent considering they are selling this Nexus via all US carriers for the first time...so it doesn't really matter what they did in the past, this is a new era. They definitely won't make a huge dent, but it has a chance to be meaningful.
How can you possibly argue that "bigger is better until you pass 5.5" or so". That's not some magical number that has any real meaning...it's simply your brain deciding that you've had enough, despite the fact that you've never used the Nexus 6. A million people said the same thing when phones moved to 4.7"...then they said it again at 5.0"...then they said it again at 5.2"...they said it about the Note when it came out...and now they're saying the same thing about the Nexus 6...they've been wrong every single time and I see no reason to believe that suddenly this is it.
I think we're probably pushing the limit of how big you want a smartphone, but that's EXACTLY what I want to happen. I want the biggest damn phone that isn't "too big". We won't know what "too big" is until we get there, but I don't believe the Note 4 was too big and we know that the Nexus 6 is not that much bigger..much of the half inch screen size difference is made up for by smaller bezels, which is also something I want to see continue to happen.
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Ridiculous. Here's a nice little study you can do at home. Go pick up your Nexus 7 and hold it to your face, or try and put it in your pocket. Think about carrying that thing with you all day long as a phone. There are plenty of examples of what "too big" is, we're there now. You may want your tablet to be a phone, but most professionals need something portable, and easy to carry, that isn't going to require being kept in a backpack. 5.5" phones like the LG G3 are actually still small enough to be considered a phone, I've held the iPhone 6+, trust me, we're there, phones are now too big.