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Did amazon not think it through?

Er.. So, Why did amazon bother to not add the android market, if they aren't going to block loading APKs, or actively try to prevent root?
My mom who knows nothing about android could be walked through that process...

Try asking B&N the same thing?

Amazon thought it through perfectly. They aren't selling or attempting to actually sell a mobile computing device (tablet). They are selling a next gen Kindle (PMP). Have a look at the Nook Color and the iPod Touch, then compare against a Galaxy Tab, Xoom, Thrive, iPad 2, and Transformer. See the difference?

If they wanted the Android Market, Google has strict requirements that would keep amazon from doing all the data mining they want to sell ad data to partners. If you have the Google Android Market on a device you make Google gets all the info..
I think....
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cos they just made so you buy from amazon.com they make a $10 loss on each one, they hope to gain that from selling stuff via amazon.com

natand12342010 said:
cos they just made so you buy from amazon.com they make a $10 loss on each one, they hope to gain that from selling stuff via amazon.com
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It doesn't look like they are taking much of a loss at all according to this study: http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=212876 Making a profit actually.

Mama Luigi said:
Try asking B&N the same thing?
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I've been curious about the nook as well.
On the other hand, even if not a lot, I figured they were making a bit more money off of their product than amazon who is potentially using their tablet as a loss leader.

Snow_fox said:
I've been curious about the nook as well.
On the other hand, even if not a lot, I figured they were making a bit more money off of their product than amazon who is potentially using their tablet as a loss leader.
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It's all about "branding" the consumer. The earlier a company can get you to like/use their product the more likely it is you will continue to use them. The AF, by trying to restrict content and funnel only to their "approved" providers they can make dollars on volume. Apple does the same thing by getting their products into schools. Get 'em while their young! lol McDonald's does the same thing. What parent doesn't relent (often enough) to the protestations of their kid lamenting for the latest Happy Meal toy?
Downsides are galore. If a high school senior only knows Apple..they are severely limited in the marketplace (like it as not it's still a MS Business World). McDonald's? Fat kids with poor eating habits...Amazon Only Contest? One loses the richness of choice. See what I mean?
(I just might be a little cynical? lol)

skeeterpro said:
It's all about "branding" the consumer. The earlier a company can get you to like/use their product the more likely it is you will continue to use them. The AF, by trying to restrict content and funnel only to their "approved" providers they can make dollars on volume. Apple does the same thing by getting their products into schools. Get 'em while their young! lol McDonald's does the same thing. What parent doesn't relent (often enough) to the protestations of their kid lamenting for the latest Happy Meal toy?
Downsides are galore. If a high school senior only knows Apple..they are severely limited in the marketplace (like it as not it's still a MS Business World). McDonald's? Fat kids with poor eating habits...Amazon Only Contest? One loses the richness of choice. See what I mean?
(I just might be a little cynical? lol)
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You're dead on actually. This is a proven marketing method that works so well that various companies are banned from using it (tobacco, alcohol, etc). Apple's variant has been particularly successful because they didn't just get their product out to the kids. They also worked hard to convince the kids that without an Apple product, you weren't cool. Once this took hold, all Apple needed to do was continue to play upon that theme with each later device, as the "cool factor" propagates on its own, both forward and backward across generations. The older crowd by nature wants to appear to be young and hip, and the very young crowd want to appear older and cool. So, Apple wins across the board, from the elementary school almost all the way up to the retirees.

Cobey_S said:
You're dead on actually. This is a proven marketing method that works so well that various companies are banned from using it (tobacco, alcohol, etc). Apple's variant has been particularly successful because they didn't just get their product out to the kids. They also worked hard to convince the kids that without an Apple product, you weren't cool. Once this took hold, all Apple needed to do was continue to play upon that theme with each later device, as the "cool factor" propagates on its own, both forward and backward across generations. The older crowd by nature wants to appear to be young and hip, and the very young crowd want to appear older and cool. So, Apple wins across the board, from the elementary school almost all the way up to the retirees.
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The iPhone 4S is a failure in the sense that it looks like and has the same appearance as the iPhone 4. No discernable COOL factor here. Buyers will have to wear a pin "This Is The 4S"

1215kids said:
The iPhone 4S is a failure in the sense that it looks like and has the same appearance as the iPhone 4. No discernable COOL factor here. Buyers will have to wear a pin "This Is The 4S"
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iPhone 1G, 3G, and 3GS all looked identical as well, but that didn't stop shoppers, nor the "cool" effect brought of having an "in" product. The appearance and technical excellence have little to nothing to do with it. "I have an iPhone," on the other hand does, and that's the brilliance behind Apple's variant on the "capture the hearts and minds of the young" marketing approach.

Er. Guys.
Let me say the iphone 4s may have failed in a few ways.
1. People expected an iphone 5. Even if it would have the exact same hardware.. people wanted to hear "iphone 5". Apple failed at marketing.. which is big since it is almost more of a marketing company than anything else.
2. A lot of people *were* hoping to see changes. Being totally honest.. the iphone design is tired in a lot of ways. The 3.5" screen is small despite the iphone being almost the same size as a 4" device. The problem is if they raise the size to 4" then it is just going to look gigantic..
Apple is in a bad situation honestly. If they change it, they alienate a lot of fans.
If they don't, the design just keeps looking older and older..

Snow_fox said:
Er. Guys.
Let me say the iphone 4s may have failed in a few ways.
1. People expected an iphone 5. Even if it would have the exact same hardware.. people wanted to hear "iphone 5". Apple failed at marketing.. which is big since it is almost more of a marketing company than anything else.
2. A lot of people *were* hoping to see changes. Being totally honest.. the iphone design is tired in a lot of ways. The 3.5" screen is small despite the iphone being almost the same size as a 4" device. The problem is if they raise the size to 4" then it is just going to look gigantic..
Apple is in a bad situation honestly. If they change it, they alienate a lot of fans.
If they don't, the design just keeps looking older and older..
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Myself, and the others that I know that are technically inclined are in complete agreement with you. On the flip side, not one of my friends or customers, that use their iPhones as status symbols more than anything else, feel that way. To them, it's a new iPhone, and they want it. Sadly, that bunch easily outnumbers the technically inclined. I feel that is pretty accurate for the market as a whole as well - those that know better are the minority by a long shot.

They thought it through, but with their own concept on reality
No Google market, the low storage and no microsd slot are all by design to force a bunch of lemmings (they appear to think we all are) into their revenue cloud.
Just wait till folks get on the road with these things and find out the cloud only hovers around a wifi connection
IMO, the Flyer is the current best 7" device for price and features. Compared to the Fire:
1. 8gb more storage
2. 512mb more ram
3. The SoC per Anandtech and my own practical tests performs better with Flash, games, video and everything else in between (I also have a Droid 3, which has 512mb ram and 4430 SoC to compare in a practical manner).
4. Microsd slot
5. GPS
6. BOTH markets
7. Install from other sources
8. Camera
9. Better build
The extra $100 seems a very sound investment for most folks.
The Fire IMO is a low end, second rate iPad wannabe, with a UI and storefront model to support it. CrabApple.

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On the flip side, not one of my friends or customers, that use their iPhones as status symbols more than anything else, feel that way. To them, it's a new iPhone, and they want it.
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But it looks exactly the same as last year's model. Now in order to feel superior, they have to ask everyone holding one if they have the 4 or 4s. That's a lot of work.

thatdude90210 said:
But it looks exactly the same as last year's model. Now in order to feel superior, they have to ask everyone holding one if they have the 4 or 4s. That's a lot of work.
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Who cares? The 4S is released as a mid-range device. Apple has no high-end devices now... They're failing on this release.

thatdude90210 said:
But it looks exactly the same as last year's model. Now in order to feel superior, they have to ask everyone holding one if they have the 4 or 4s. That's a lot of work.
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One would think, right? Not the case. So far, I have but one iPhone lover that isn't budging on the update to the 4S, 30-40 that are getting it because it's new, and 8 that are converting from Android to iOS and are rather excited to get it.

rushless said:
They thought it through, but with their own concept on reality
No Google market, the low storage and no microsd slot are all by design to force a bunch of lemmings (they appear to think we all are) into their revenue cloud.
Just wait till folks get on the road with these things and find out the cloud only hovers around a wifi connection
IMO, the Flyer is the current best 7" device for price and features. Compared to the Fire:
1. 8gb more storage
2. 512mb more ram
3. The SoC per Anandtech and my own practical tests performs better with Flash, games, video and everything else in between (I also have a Droid 3, which has 512mb ram and 4430 SoC to compare in a practical manner).
4. Microsd slot
5. GPS
6. BOTH markets
7. Install from other sources
8. Camera
9. Better build
The extra $100 seems a very sound investment for most folks.
The Fire IMO is a low end, second rate iPad wannabe, with a UI and storefront model to support it. CrabApple.
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Being totally honest, I must admit I am considering the Kindle fire, but I am waiting to see what else comes out first.
If I *only* wanted a tablet, spending 100$ more on a flyer would be ok.. But, I also have a few other things on my "christmas list" A few ps3 games (infamous2 and resistance3), a new comp case.. (obsidian 650d) and I would like a tablet so I can read manga somewhere besides at my computer screen.
So for me, it becomes an issue of practicality.. How much can I really afford to spend on a tablet in the near future?
I mean sure it *is* limited to the cloud.. however without the internet most devices become borderline useless anyway.

Snow_fox said:
Being totally honest, I must admit I am considering the Kindle fire, but I am waiting to see what else comes out first.
If I *only* wanted a tablet, spending 100$ more on a flyer would be ok.. But, I also have a few other things on my "christmas list" A few ps3 games (infamous2 and resistance3), a new comp case.. (obsidian 650d) and I would like a tablet so I can read manga somewhere besides at my computer screen.
So for me, it becomes an issue of practicality.. How much can I really afford to spend on a tablet in the near future?
I mean sure it *is* limited to the cloud.. however without the internet most devices become borderline useless anyway.
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For what you say, Snow, the AF might well be ideal for what you seek. The again, let's all keep in mind that as of right now, the AF cannot really be considered an "android tablet" but more a "dedicated e-reader running android". That is if/until it is rooted by some of the marvelous devs on XDA.
My money's on the devs. lol

Snow_fox said:
Being totally honest, I must admit I am considering the Kindle fire, but I am waiting to see what else comes out first.
If I *only* wanted a tablet, spending 100$ more on a flyer would be ok.. But, I also have a few other things on my "christmas list" A few ps3 games (infamous2 and resistance3), a new comp case.. (obsidian 650d) and I would like a tablet so I can read manga somewhere besides at my computer screen.
So for me, it becomes an issue of practicality.. How much can I really afford to spend on a tablet in the near future?
I mean sure it *is* limited to the cloud.. however without the internet most devices become borderline useless anyway.
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Depends on what you use. I have tons of games, videos and emulator roms. Use them while traveling and other area where wifi is no open or available.
This device is as limited as you could get.
As far as rooting, why? There is no space to do anything with it. Breach the Amazon cloud and the functionality is even less. Assuming inflation for my contract manufacturing days for connectors (buyer), the total cost for a sd slot port is 75 cents to add to design (components circuit bridge). This means probably $1.50 applied to sellers to maintain margin.
Could argue that is money they save, but I suggest the lack of one is FAR more costly, since it will sell well until people are savvy to no card expansion and the "forced" cloud use. They should have added the slot, but it is not there by design- they want cloud usage so they can data mine and also get revenue linked to their B class iTunes effort.
For someone not constrained on an extra $100, the Flyer is FAR better for reasons mentioned above (at least). Added: Heck, even my very non-tech wife does not want the Fire, due to no microsd slot. A key reason she also did not want an iPad either.
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Snow_fox said:
Er. Guys.
Let me say the iphone 4s may have failed in a few ways.
1. People expected an iphone 5. Even if it would have the exact same hardware.. people wanted to hear "iphone 5". Apple failed at marketing.. which is big since it is almost more of a marketing company than anything else.
2. A lot of people *were* hoping to see changes. Being totally honest.. the iphone design is tired in a lot of ways. The 3.5" screen is small despite the iphone being almost the same size as a 4" device. The problem is if they raise the size to 4" then it is just going to look gigantic..
Apple is in a bad situation honestly. If they change it, they alienate a lot of fans.
If they don't, the design just keeps looking older and older..
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I have an iPod 4 64gb and like it a lot, but would not have a iPhone, since too constrained for me (ditto on an iPad). Still, the new models have the dual core and a 64gb option. Not too shabby for iPhone lovers who are media and game freaks.
The problem is the "retina display". If they increase the size, ditto on the display res. Probably too costly and not reliable enough for efficient yields from production. Cost curve for a 4" retina is probably evil (for now).

xoom 2 advertisment. No ICS?

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/11/01/motorola-xoom-2-ad-confirms-honeycomb-and-pre-christmas-launch-will-likely-retail-for-400/

Well if Moto are going for a 2011 release there's no way they could shoehorn ICS on there before it hits the shops. Better to get the hardware out and selling and work on an ICS upgrade in the background once they have the source.

Well how many people on here would install another rom, install adw ex or multilive wallpaper? So what difference does it make which OS it has.
It would make no difference to me if it had froyo, i had froyo on my 7' galaxy tab and still use all the same apps and widgets on my xoom. So what does it matter?
With ICS you can have a fingerprint unlocker? woopeee dog doo! utter worthless sales mode crap!
Let's have a fingerprint unlocker, but we won't have micro sd card expansion so we can have a thin device, i think these tablet developers are brain damaged!

I would absolutely love and use a fingerprint unlocker! I synch with 2 Exchange servers that require a device unlock PIN every time I turn it on. Not sales crap - a very useful feature for some of us.

not sure if i get the point of them releasing it with only a dual core...

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not sure if i get the point of them releasing it with only a dual core...
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I think they're trying to target the consumer market. Xoom 1 was best of CES and first device honeycomb. I think first device with honeycomb means a lot because the ui was designed almost exclusively for xoom 1. Xoom 2 is not innovative but lighter weight and better screen for $200 less than xoom 1 (589 vs ~389) could do wonders for moto who posted a 3rd quarter loss. If xoom 2 is the first tablet to get ics that may help it out otherwise ics on xoom1 will hopefully satisfy my needs until octacore xoom 3 comes out

Xoom 2 looks like it has a ui skin. Big problem for me.
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>not sure if i get the point of them releasing it with only a dual core...
One major reason is being able to play most videos w/o need to convert, thanks to OMAP4's better multimedia support. For regular people, it means smooth HD Netflix & Hulu streaming. It's a big use-case. In addition to being thinner, lighter, more stylish, etc.
I agree it's not a big jump functionality-wise. Having ICS onboard would've been a more compelling sell, but ICS didn't make the deadline. Regardless, the new Moto line-up is much improved over the old.
>I think they're trying to target the consumer market.
Only for the Xoom Family, which is $350-ish now at BestBuy. The 8.2" Xoom 2 Media Edition will be for €400 (one can assume the same for the US), and is targeted at the under-10" segment.
The 10" Xoom 2 is targeted at the business crowd, mainly by its software load-out. Extrapolating from the announced UK pricing (£325+VAT vs ME's £299), it'll probably go for USD$450.
To sum: Xoom Family $350, Xoom 2 Media 8.2" $400, Xoom 2 10.1" $450.
The emphasis on "value pricing" (read: cheaper than iPad's $500) was made clear by Moto CEO when he said that pricing was something they'd work to bring down. I am a little surprised by the narrow price band--only $100 spacing between high and low-end. It may well be because of ICS' inavailability, which makes a more ambitious roll-out problematic.
Also, Moto is in a major transition of its own, being integrated into Goog, so it has other concerns at the moment.

Does anyone one knows any more info about this tablet? I can't find a decent video review. I am interested buying the media edition.

ICS will come later as an update. As for "When?", well... It's Motorola. Your guess is as good as mine.
The specs on this new tablet are indeed outdated considering new tablets coming in the next 3 months will mostly feature quadcore (or at least much faster hardware). The only way this tablet could be successful is if it allows them to sell it quite cheaper than the quadcore tablets. That could provide a very interesting mid-range product. So, pricing will either make, or break this product IMHO.

See Motorola is not equal to Asus
Motorola new Tablet dual core processor, less internal memory upgrade to ICS as they said.... in due course
Asus 32gig Quad Core same price as Motorola Dual Core 16gig Xoom 2. Upgrade to ICS they said before Christmas

I was surprised that they would release the Xoom 2 with the lackluster hardware and no ICS. What's the huge improvement? Apart from the fact that there's some nice but non-essential upgrades. Spill resistant Screen, shiny metal back, Rear Camera Centered, Power button on the side and not the back, Speakers centered, Grooved corners for easier holding.
My favorite being IT CHARGES OFF OF MICRO USB.
That would of been nice (and expected I would say) on our OG Xooms.
Also w/ Google acquiring Motorola and not releasing ICS on the Xoom 2 right away, I think, shows that Google is not out to play favorites since they acquired a hardware manufacturer. This should give the other big Android manufacturers warm feelings; HTC/Samsung/LG.
I could be wrong but just wanted to put my word in there.

Personally, I think once the Xoom 2 hits shelves, Moto could careless about the OG Xoom and we will be LUCKY to get ICS. I have not used my Xoom in a while since I now prefer my Samsung Galaxy Player 5.0 with a 32GB Class 10 Micro SD (and unlike the GED Xoom I can actually use it to move around files) and I use my Blackberry Playbook for $199. I happen to like the smaller form factor.
The OG Xoom will be forgotten by Moto soon and we will be left to XDA to update our devices;(

I really want a a premium tablet that weight less than 450 gr and is no bigger than 8.9 inch . I have a 7 inch tablet and i want my new one to be a bit bigger . Xoom 2 media edition has what i need . But nobody seems to care about it and every one want transformer prime for its tegra 3 . i am a bit afraid to buy it because i cant find any info on this tablet . Does the media edition has the digitiser to make active stylus work or not ? How is the the battery life on this tablet ? Will the xda community support this tablet or motorolla will just sell few and no one will care to built a custom rom ? I usually i am not an early adopter on products .... Do you have any suggestions for others tablets that will suits my needs ?

I read somewhere that Motorola would not lower the price of the Xoom becausenof the Xoom2, but I can't believe this statement. My guess is that there will be big discounts on the first model. What do you think about this ?

Saintfyre said:
Also w/ Google acquiring Motorola and not releasing ICS on the Xoom 2 right away, I think, shows that Google is not out to play favorites since they acquired a hardware manufacturer. This should give the other big Android manufacturers warm feelings; HTC/Samsung/LG.
I could be wrong but just wanted to put my word in there.
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Yeah, I think you are wrong. Google hasn't acquired Motorola yet. That deal has yet to be finalized or even passed.

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How is the the buttery life on this tablet ?
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It's great as long as you don't leave it near sources of heat.
I'm sorry
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sodaboy581 said:
Yeah, I think you are wrong. Google hasn't acquired Motorola yet. That deal has yet to be finalized or even passed.
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Correct, the deal hasn't closed yet. I think just recently around the 15th 99% of Motorola Shareholders approved of the merger. Most recently I think they're getting approval/clearance from the European Commission.
So hopefully January-February the deal will be finalized.

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It's great as long as you don't leave it near sources of heat.
I'm sorry
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Smart keyboards make us look stupid sometimes ...

Is the A500 really discontinued??????????

I usually look at all the tablets at electronic stores and the last 1-2 weeks I have not seen 1 on display.
Fry's no longer have them on display. Staples and HH Gregg used to have a power display and neither are displaying them also.
Wonder if Acer is just getting ready for the next versions.

I would guess they are clearing them out in hopes of replacing them with ICS versions.
Just my guess, but a lot, I mean a LOT of tablets are at 'fire sale' prices.
Then you got tablets like the Kindle Fire out there that are really cheap.
Now for a look into my Crystal ball, I see data moving to the Cloud. Tablets getting cheaper and cheaper. Apps and the Cloud growing to the point hardware is irrelevant. Tablets will become disposable just like a disposable camera, what's import is the apps and data are on the Cloud.
Now; fast forward 10 years. Everyone will have a data profile that is their personal space. This personal space, is maintained in cyberspace (the cloud or call it skynet ). The Cloud is world wide and can be accessed from just about anywhere on the planet using wireless G5 (huge fast bandwidth). Your phone, your car, your PC, your tablet, your TV all are just vehicles to access your personal cloud. You loose your phone or drop it in the toilet, no big deal. You just turn on your TV and all your data is there, even the email you were in the process of typing when your phone fell in the toilet.
TD

Nice. I hope it's not G5 but instead WiDi or WiMax that takes over. No more phone numbers, data/text caps, and convert voice to voip. Oh and free would be nice too.

antonio8 said:
I usually look at all the tablets at electronic stores and the last 1-2 weeks I have not seen 1 on display.
Fry's no longer have them on display. Staples and HH Gregg used to have a power display and neither are displaying them also.
Wonder if Acer is just getting ready for the next versions.
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I was in 2 best buys today they are all sold out. Crazy.
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Definitely a firesale going on, as tablets move to ICS.
The A500 might also be moving away to be replaced by the equivalent A200.
To give you an idea of the value some stores are giving, I've just ordered my A500, which was the 64GB Unit, for $399 CAN. Which is crazy considering a few weeks ago you'd be paying that for the 8GB or 16GB models.

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Definitely a firesale going on, as tablets move to ICS.
The A500 might also be moving away to be replaced by the equivalent A200.
To give you an idea of the value some stores are giving, I've just ordered my A500, which was the 64GB Unit, for $399 CAN. Which is crazy considering a few weeks ago you'd be paying that for the 8GB or 16GB models.
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Seems to be the trend. Everyone is gearing up new models for ICS and some are offering them with HC saying ICS ready.
However, I caution everyone on ICS. The architecture is totally different and early hardware along with older hardware will have issues. Does anyone remember buying a computer that had Windows 3.1 but was Windows 98 compatible? Or a Windows 98 computer that was Windows XP compatible? These usually don't offer the performance you'll get if you just wait a few months and many really had serious issues.
So, take advantage of the 'fire sale' going on now and you'll get a great tablet with HC that you can use for a long time. Well, at least long enough to wait for vendors to release ICS and work out the bugs.
TD

timmyDean said:
Seems to be the trend. Everyone is gearing up new models for ICS and some are offering them with HC saying ICS ready.
However, I caution everyone on ICS. The architecture is totally different and early hardware along with older hardware will have issues. Does anyone remember buying a computer that had Windows 3.1 but was Windows 98 compatible? Or a Windows 98 computer that was Windows XP compatible? These usually don't offer the performance you'll get if you just wait a few months and many really had serious issues.
So, take advantage of the 'fire sale' going on now and you'll get a great tablet with HC that you can use for a long time. Well, at least long enough to wait for vendors to release ICS and work out the bugs.
TD
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This and more of this. People try to buy products that will encourage capability of upgrading, but little do they know, their device will run it very slug like and could frustrate them more than the previous version they had installed.

I picked mine up for $280 with free shipping and no tax. I couldn't be happier with it.
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timmyDean said:
Seems to be the trend. Everyone is gearing up new models for ICS and some are offering them with HC saying ICS ready.
However, I caution everyone on ICS. The architecture is totally different and early hardware along with older hardware will have issues.
TD
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I wonder what makes you think ICS is "totally different" from 2.x or 3.x ?
My understanding is that it is really isn't changing very much of the honeycomb base for tablets, and is instead just merging that with 2.x style support for phones.
In other words, the only growing pains should be the time it takes apps to develop proper ICS apps that adjust based on tablet vs phone. But there shouldn't be any problems running ICS on our hardware, given that it's basically 3.x.
Is there something I missed?

The A500 is going to be replaced by Acer’s A700 Tablet Detailed: Quad-Core Tegra 3 SoC and 1920x1200 Screen. Just do a search on the web for A700

The lifetime of these products is going to be similar to those of cell phones which is 6 months to a year. Maybe a bit longer.
The business model is all about turnaround, planned obsolescence, consumers buying the next hot product, upgrading at every turn, etc. Just look at some of the signatures everyone has with several models of phones, tablets, etc. listed. Seems the economy is tanked yet everyone is buying electronic products at a furious rate (gotta have priorities).
The A500 is not immune to this paradigm.

speeddaddy said:
The A500 is going to be replaced by Acer’s A700 Tablet Detailed: Quad-Core Tegra 3 SoC and 1920x1200 Screen. Just do a search on the web for A700
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I tried to tell you lot about this a couple of months ago when my sister inlaw(acer employee) told me about a completely new tablet coming out

mswirski said:
I wonder what makes you think ICS is "totally different" from 2.x or 3.x ?
My understanding is that it is really isn't changing very much of the honeycomb base for tablets, and is instead just merging that with 2.x style support for phones.
In other words, the only growing pains should be the time it takes apps to develop proper ICS apps that adjust based on tablet vs phone. But there shouldn't be any problems running ICS on our hardware, given that it's basically 3.x.
Is there something I missed?
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Basically put, ICS has a series of new API's that require more horsepower to run. Running this on a earlier version of chip sets not designed for ICS will be sluggish.
Like I've said, I've been using ICS for over 3 months and it runs like a dog on older equipment. Half the time you think it's hung or locked up.
TD
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irishmoe said:
I tried to tell you lot about this a couple of months ago when my sister inlaw(acer employee) told me about a completely new tablet coming out
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Exactly, follow the money. There is NO money in it. The margins are too tight to spend money and resources on something you've already been paid for. You might not like it, I don't like paying baggage fees at Airports either, but that's the market place.
If you have ever listened to JT (CEO) at ACER and his vision, you'll see exactly what he has told every employee. That ACER's life cycle is 6 months. They plan and build on replacing hardware constantly improving and encouraging customers to upgrade. The second thing, that comes out through him, is the need for ACER to make money on services, the Cloud, and software. Look around and you will see a lot of the tablet MFG's doing the same thing (just like bag fees at airports) they are all doing it.
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Did anyone think since it is the holiday season that may be why they are sold out?
Perhaps Acer did not make enough to keep them in supply or the stores did not order enough.
I doubt they would stop selling just because ICS may be an update.
And I doubt they would stop making the 500 until the 700 is close to being available.
But then it is Acer we are talking about and who knows what their thinking is.

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Did anyone think since it is the holiday season that may be why they are sold out?
Perhaps Acer did not make enough to keep them in supply or the stores did not order enough.
I doubt they would stop selling just because ICS may be an update.
And I doubt they would stop making the 500 until the 700 is close to being available.
But then it is Acer we are talking about and who knows what their thinking is.
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Demand is high and they probably did not make enough. But, they also cut back on the A500 production numbers too. So you're probably looking at several reasons. However, the a500, according to ACER personnel has been added to their twilight list. Not sure it twilighted items are 6, 9, or 12 months. It use to mean 12 months with production runs dropping each month after 6.
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I can confirm that they are officially discontinued at Best Buy. They will no longer receive any from Acer. Of course there are some stocks at some stores an distribution centers but once they are gone they are gone.
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cbradberry said:
I picked mine up for $280 with free shipping and no tax. I couldn't be happier with it.
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Where, if you don't mind me asking?
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Discontinued.
Does this mean I have to give up my tablet..Please don't make erica sad. Don't make me cry.
Acer will continue support or will loose so many customers they will be out of business.

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Basically put, ICS has a series of new API's that require more horsepower to run. Running this on a earlier version of chip sets not designed for ICS will be sluggish.
Like I've said, I've been using ICS for over 3 months and it runs like a dog on older equipment. Half the time you think it's hung or locked up.
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I have to disagree with the statement that ics runs poorly on older devices. I've been running ics without any issues on first generation samsung galaxy s variant for the past couple of months. the speed is one of the main positives with the ics rom. I don't see why a tegra2 based 1gig memory iconia a500 wouldn't be an excellent hardware to go along with ics.

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I have to disagree with the statement that ics runs poorly on older devices. I've been running ics without any issues on first generation samsung galaxy s variant for the past couple of months. the speed is one of the main positives with the ics rom. I don't see why a tegra2 based 1gig memory iconia a500 wouldn't be an excellent hardware to go along with ics.
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i loaded ICS on my Captivate the other day, and I noticed the same thing. If a single core 1Ghz phone with 512mb ram can run it smoothly, why can't a dual core with 1Gb?
The only official specs I can find is that it will be of similar requirements to honeycomb, with a minimum of 512mb ram.

iPad mini

hmmmmm i still think my Xoom is very relevant and will better suit me for what i use a tablet for. heck my first gen kindle fire is still relevant (for me anyways)
what are your thoughts?
http://www.apple.com/ipad-mini/overview/

My thoughts are that comparing the too is like comparing oranges and carrots. The only thing they have in common is the color orange (they're both tablets).
They are damn near 2 generations apart tech wise and 2 completely different form factors.

exactly, thats what i meant, no need to get something new like the ipad mini (or any ipad) when my xoom still fits the bill. apple has always innovated, now with the mini, they are trying to get in on the smaller tablet market that Google and Amazon have already taken the lead in
ever since the world lost steve jobs, apple has taken a slide downward, pretty soon they will be irrelevant

dodgefan67 said:
exactly, thats what i meant, no need to get something new like the ipad mini (or any ipad) when my xoom still fits the bill. apple has always innovated, now with the mini, they are trying to get in on the smaller tablet market that Google and Amazon have already taken the lead in
ever since the world lost steve jobs, apple has taken a slide downward, pretty soon they will be irrelevant
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Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.

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Also, while the iPad Mini is the thing everyone is talking about....I think the updated iMac and the Macbooks were much more newsworthy.

PeterWitrigs said:
Also, while the iPad Mini is the thing everyone is talking about....I think the updated iMac and the Macbooks were much more newsworthy.
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I agree with this and on a different note the surface isn't to shabby looking either. This is my favorite time of the year.
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Cubanluke88 said:
Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.
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you may be right, but it is just an opinion, never liked apple, but its not like i look for opportunities to bash them....no wait :cyclops:
and yeah as long as the Nexus 10 isn't built by LG i might get one too
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thats true as well

To be honest my xoom2 sound way better than mini ipad mini.

Cubanluke88 said:
Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.
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A wolf in sheep clothing is what you are, I see no apple product in your signature all android and yet you downgrade android, Our two year old Xoom run rings around both the iPad2 and mini. 4.3 ratio is so sixties, Bless Motorola who invented cellphone all others are just carbon copy, you mention out of date and yet mini a week old is selling itself on dual band radio when we all know the Xoom was the first tablet to incorperate it. The mini is in Colby league not Xoom..

tumpy said:
A wolf in sheep clothing is what you are, I see no apple product in your signature all android and yet you downgrade android, Our two year old Xoom run rings around both the iPad2 and mini. 4.3 ratio is so sixties, Bless Motorola who invented cellphone all others are just carbon copy, you mention out of date and yet mini a week old is selling itself on dual band radio when we all know the Xoom was the first tablet to incorperate it. The mini is in Colby league not Xoom..
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So now I need to be an Apple user in order to have an unbiased opinion? Please tell me where I downgraded Android wrongly rather than just shrugging it off. Android tablet app support is atrocious. Its getting better and its nice that Android apps "scale" upward but in doing so, a lot of the screen real estate of a tablet is simply not used efficiently. You can compare it to mobile websites. Have you ever looked at a mobile website on a desktop? They look horrible because they're not using the screen real estate efficiently. With all that said, the user interface of the OS itself and the features and speed have finally surpassed that of iOS.
And yes, the Xoom in the tech world of tablets is very out of date. Hardware tech moves fast; its still relevant and useful but the Tegra 2 processor is simply not up to par with newer chips. One of the main Eos devs even said in their nightly thread that the Xoom is old (coming up on 2 years) and people should start looking to upgrade. It was a bit of an off hand comment (as in I don't think they plan on dropping support any time soon) but people were discussing speed and such and the simple fact is the Xoom's hardware is holding it back from taking full advantage of Jellybean (its fast but not nearly as fast as a Galaxy Nexus or Nexus 7 with Project Butter).
Back to my original point, as I stated, comparing the Xoom and Mini is silly and to me comes across as nothing more than a fishing attempt to bash on Apple and circle jerk about the Xoom with other Xoom owners. They are two products that simply don't compare well to one another. A proper comparison would be the Nexus 7 and the Mini; they are much closer in release dates and are actually of similar sizes and targeted at similar customers.
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so what would be the point of buying an ipad mini?
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People that want a smaller tablet and are already invested in the iOS arena or simply prefer it? Tablets that are 9.6" or 10.1" aren't for everyone, just as phones that are 4.7" aren't for everyone. I know quite a few iPhone users who never got iPads because they saw the device as too large and cumbersome. The Mini introduces another option for iOS users at a different price and size.

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In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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Tech_Zealot said:
In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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And why do you think that?

Tech_Zealot said:
In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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great point, open source has always been better at providing better and faster support to products which make them more reliable and longer lasting. look how many old PCs are running linux
on the flip side, proprietary software like drivers from nvidia (on my LG phone) take forever to get updates. LG/Nvidia and T-Mobile have only just recently upgraded my phone to GB 2.3.4 (back in March) where as my Xoom is running the latest JB

I think that apple products are great! They give people who are new to the computer world a chance to learn hope to use a computer...
That being said anything beyond being new to computers in respect to acceptable customer support, software support, getting the most out of your device, power, and topping on the cake ethical business operation, you don't find it in apple.
I won't go to far into detail and try not to hate on apple to much, but I think that if you want a device that actually allows you to fully use the hardware then you have to look elsewhere. I also think that you pay far to much money for devices in that brand since they already get their hardware cheap as hell. sure they build solid hardware, but its not always high end, nor is it reasonably priced.
I bought a laptop from an off brand that was twice the power of the average apple computer today and half the price. I received it a year ago.
Ok enough with apple. Sorry that organization irritates me.
So on the xoom. I bought mine fairly recently. Some of the things I love about it is that it's build Pretty solid. I feel like I could throw this thing at a friggin wall! People claim the hardware is outdated, I don't agree. My xoom has EOS Wingray 153 currently and doesn't have any issues at all with lag. The only problems I've had with running apps is that I can't find enough that I want to use. That is to say ones relevant for me to use. I have about 64GB to fill and not enough apps to fill it with
Now this isn't as if I'm saying there aren't enough apps made for android to be honest I think there are plenty. I like that you don't need to use a ca authority to make an app attachable to the store, and I like that they don't pull root apps from the market. I also haven't heard of people being sued for hacking android devices.
I haven't been able to take full advantage of my xoom hardware yet, though it's mostly due to a lack of trying. I mostly use it for a few games and internet use when I'm not home. I also do ebooks and PDFs as well as ssh and some research. To say the xoom is outdated is in my opinion grossly wrong. The software that does a pretty damn good job of efficiently using the hardware, and I've yet to see an app thus far have trouble functioning properly or have any sort of lag. Well I did once, but that could have been so to a new build I literally just installed it also could have just been the app. In any case I no longer have lag.
To close to the question of iPad mini vs xoom. If you have a reason to use something smaller than a xoom then by all means support a terrible organization, but otherwise I think the xoom will be good for me for another year.
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I hate Apple's policies for market share! But over hating their policies I hate those iSheeps who keeps saying that their iPoops of them is better than Android, which was com proved by Geekbench that it's the opposite! For all those saying that Xoom is better than any Apple device, it's a lie, BUT even with it's 2 y.o. hardware it's only worse than the new iPhone 5, which is worse to GNote 10.1, GNote 2 and GS3! And there's still missing the new devices that'll come now, like RAZR HD, HTC One X+, Xperia T, etc... And on the iPad mini topic, all I can say is that it's not worth in ANY F-Word WAY! N7 is the best 7" tablet you'll see, Xoom 2 ME is way better too! But I else think that's not fair compare a 7" tablet to a 10" one, they were built for different functions and there's no way you can be fair to both sides when comparing utility, for example: I have my Xoom, which is amazing, and today I used a little my mom's Xoom 2 ME tablet, and it was way better to read than my 10.1" screen! That's why I'm keeping my Xoom and getting a Nexus 7, as I don't need another high end 10" tablet for now and need a tablet for better mobility.
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I can't wait to see full support for 64 bit processors.. I feel the Nexus 9 should perform better.. Something tells me the OS and apps are not fully 64bit compliant yet. Any thoughts..? How has performance been for the rest of you guys/gals..?
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maconsultant said:
I can't wait to see full support for 64 bit processors.. I feel the Nexus 9 should perform better.. Something tells me the OS and apps are not fully 64bit compliant yet. Any thoughts..? How has performance been for the rest of you guys/gals..?
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This is one of the main reasons why I am returning mine, what's the point? It'll be quite some time before we see full support for 64 bit processors. We're paying this high of a price NOW for a tablet that the OS isn't even optimized for. That's the difference between apple and google, iOS is built around the hardware and for a limited amount of products; whereas android is built for a large variety of devices so it never really can be optimized for a specific tablet or phone because it has to cater to so many different devices with different specs.
Android should be flawless on a nexus device, after all a nexus device is supposed to set the tone and be an example of what android is.....too bad, because that is not the case with the n9.
Fwiw, I think the n9 is nice and all, got a lot of love for it but for what I paid for my 32gb n9 I expected more. I could live with a lil light bleeding and some recessed buttons but the lack of optimization and the battery life is unforgiving at this price. I bought the n9 to find out that maybe down the line at some point it will become the product I though that I was purchasing in the first place, if that makes any sense.
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Yeah I'm debating the return myself.. It does not perform the way it should. Question is will they ever optimize the OS for it...?
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May i find out the areas which you feel the OS is not optimized? Is it the battery life?

When playing music or YouTube the tablet stutters and exhibits pops and clicks in the audio. It may just be the software is not optimized.. But for $600 it damm well should be. Given the way google handles things they could very well move on to the next thing and were left holding the bag.
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Chyeo1979 said:
May i find out the areas which you feel the OS is not optimized? Is it the battery life?
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Battery life should be better, don't get me wrong it's OK, I get may 7 hours but at this price 12 hours should be that norm. My n9 should not stutter, this thing is fast and you can tell....its sad but its kinda reminds me of touchwiz, the way it holds back Samsung's great hardware. Another thing that has bothered me is why no 3gb of ram? They are charging us a pretty penny and skimping on specs, the n9 is a ram hog. Right now with just the XDA app running usage is over 60% which is ridiculous.
At this price point you have to compare it to the iPad mini and or airs, apple just does so much of a better job all around. Apple has set the standard for what a high-end tablet should be and perform and the n9 comes close but it's not there yet. Had they added micro SD, I could overlook some things but this is a Nexus and we are too "dumb" to use a micro SD card. Its a great tablet but not at the price Google is charging, people are going to keep complaining because they expect more (as they should) for their money.
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3dupunk said:
Battery life should be better, don't get me wrong it's OK, I get may 7 hours but at this price 12 hours should be that norm. My n9 should not stutter, this thing is fast and you can tell....its sad but its kinda reminds me of touchwiz, the way it holds back Samsung's great hardware. Another thing that has bothered me is why no 3gb of ram? They are charging us a pretty penny and skimping on specs, the n9 is a ram hog. Right now with just the XDA app running usage is over 60% which is ridiculous.
At this price point you have to compare it to the iPad mini and or airs, apple just does so much of a better job all around. Apple has set the standard for what a high-end tablet should be and perform and the n9 comes close but it's not there yet. Had they added micro SD, I could overlook some things but this is a Nexus and we are too "dumb" to use a micro SD card. Its a great tablet but not at the price Google is charging, people are going to keep complaining because they expect more (as they should) for their money.
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Agreed with what you said, except my battery life is only about 5hrs as I mostly surf on browser. Coming from an old iPad 2, this is one of my biggest disappointment. No tablet should have <8hrs SOT for normal usage to me. And as if not bad enough, the battery charging rate is almost the same or slower than the draining rate. What's Google doing!!
I'm ok with no SD card, but feel Google should give 64gb storage and 3g ram too.
Only things that's keeping me are lollipop, the tablet size/design and my refusal to go back to iOS.

64gb storage, 3gb ram, Qi charging by default and OPTIMIZE LOLLIPOP FOR 64BIT ARCHITECTURE.!
As it stands now this thing is not optimized for the hardware.
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I am let down by 32 Gig only but I cope.
Put only what I need on the tablet (and a bit extra), the rest.... use the cloud.
My Note 3 has 3 Gig RAM and the Nexus 9 does not .... hard time explaining that but this is not Google' s choice, Google does not make the tablet.
Did people spend $800, $900 on this?
I did not I find the price ok.
I believe it will not take years to see 64bit apps, it will take months. (I can wait)

AstroDigital said:
I am let down by 32 Gig only but I cope.
Put only what I need on the tablet (and a bit extra), the rest.... use the cloud.
My Note 3 has 3 Gig RAM and the Nexus 9 does not .... hard time explaining that but this is not Google' s choice, Google does not make the tablet.
Did people spend $800, $900 on this?
I did not I find the price ok.
I believe it will not take years to see 64bit apps, it will take months. (I can wait)
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Hmm, how can it not be Google's choice. Google can't be telling HTC "Make me a tablet any way you like" right?

HTC makes Nexus 9, not Google.
I am sure Google has the say about the OS but not sure about the hardware.
2 Gig annoyed me but I am a big boy and said well it is still a Nexus device.... I will go for it.

AstroDigital said:
I am let down by 32 Gig only but I cope.
Put only what I need on the tablet (and a bit extra), the rest.... use the cloud.
My Note 3 has 3 Gig RAM and the Nexus 9 does not .... hard time explaining that but this is not Google' s choice, Google does not make the tablet.
Did people spend $800, $900 on this?
I did not I find the price ok.
I believe it will not take years to see 64bit apps, it will take months. (I can wait)
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522 in NYC after taxes, that's iPad money, I expect an iPad like experience. I'm not about putting up with bs at this price point, I shouldn't have to wait for optimization. Its acceptable to you and I understand that but it isn't to me, these companies want to let out inefficient devices and or products and we are the ones who have to deal with it? Negative, not this time.
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HTC makes Nexus 9, not Google.
I am sure Google has the say about the OS but not sure about the hardware.
2 Gig annoyed me but I am a big boy and said well it is still a Nexus device.... I will go for it.
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Google is the one that designs, sets the specs and tells HTC what to build it isn't the other way around. HTC is just a subcontractor that deals with manufacturing. The way you're putting it is like google is doing what HTC wants and google had no say in the hardware....are you kidding me? google is the one with all the leverage here, no disrespect but you make no sense from a business point of view.
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The 2GB RAM is most likely because nvidia wouldn't provide them with a TK1 SoC variant with more ram than that.

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Google is the one that designs, sets the specs and tells HTC what to build it isn't the other way around. HTC is just a subcontractor that deals with manufacturing. The way you're putting it is like google is doing what HTC wants and google had no say in the hardware....are you kidding me? google is the one with all the leverage here, no disrespect but you make no sense from a business point of view.
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You are the one that makes no sense, but believe what you may.
There is no way a software company goes to any hardware company and says to them ..... build it like this or else.
I worked for hardware manufacturer and it is always a compromise the customer says they want this, the company says too expensive we can do this.
The customer then says how about this, the manufacturer...
Continues to they get a compromise both sides can live with.
I know because this was part of my job.
Got a Smartwatch 3 you think maybe Google went to Sony and said Sony add no heart rate sensor .... or else?
You think they went to Motorola and they owned Motorola at the time and ordered them to use obsolete processors?
The original question is about performance and I answered It I am happy enough.
You want to believe Google went to HTC and says this is what we want you build of else.... what do I care?
Stay on topic.
I am happy with the performance as is
When there are more apps written for the 64 bit Tegra it will smoke everything else...... I my own opinion

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You are the one that makes no sense, but believe what you may.
There is no way a software company goes to any hardware company and says to them ..... build it like this or else.
I worked for hardware manufacturer and it is always a compromise the customer says they want this, the company says too expensive we can do this.
The customer then says how about this, the manufacturer...
Continues to they get a compromise both sides can live with.
I know because this was part of my job.
Got a Smartwatch 3 you think maybe Google went to Sony and said Sony add no heart rate sensor .... or else?
You think they went to Motorola and they owned Motorola at the time and ordered them to use obsolete processors?
The original question is about performance and I answered It I am happy enough.
You want to believe Google went to HTC and says this is what we want you build of else.... what do I care?
Stay on topic.
I am happy with the performance as is
When there are more apps written for the 64 bit Tegra it will smoke everything else...... I my own opinion
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You are leaving out one important thing and that is that HTC is in no position of power, they are declining across the board. They need google more than Goole needs them so to think that google had no say in the hardware is absolutely asinine. HTC told Google we're making it like this or kick rocks....PLEASE! You proved my point in stating that it is a compromise, meaning google had to make a decision and they obviously did. I agree with that statement but you made it seem like htc tells google what they are doing point blank and google says yes HTC. HTC can't build the n9 without google signing off on the product as I'm sure you are aware of so google had the final say.
I'm done.
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I want to believe this.. I was telling myself things are not optimized for the chip and architecture and it will get better. They only thing left is the light bleed I see.
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AstroDigital said:
HTC makes Nexus 9, not Google.
I am sure Google has the say about the OS but not sure about the hardware.
2 Gig annoyed me but I am a big boy and said well it is still a Nexus device.... I will go for it.
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If it's anything like the Nexus 7, then Google Engineers worked with HTC engineers to design the Nexus 9. But at the end the Nexus is a Google product and they are the ones with the final say in how the hardware is designed.
http://www.techradar.com/us/news/mo...ned-the-google-nexus-7-in-four-months-1089680

So will this rumored 5.1 update slated to hit first quarter 2015 be some TLC for this tablet..?
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