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only 20% of android users?! BULLCRAP!

i stumbled across this story. dunno if its been posted in other threads in this site but since im primarily a nexus one owner, ill post it here. look:
http://www.businessinsider.com/77-o...other-versus-just-20-of-android-owners-2010-7 only 20% of android users would buy another while 77% percent would buy another iphone? thats crap. i love android and this is coming from an ex iphone 1st gen, iphone 3g and iphone 3gs. android blows the iphone out the water with android 2.2. how can so many of us android users be unsatisfied with android? how many of you guys would buy another android device? i myself got my eye on the droid x but idk. its pretty hard to leave my nexus one
okay as someone asked i copied and pasted the article so no need to go to the actual site:
"Customer loyalty is definitely one of Apple's advantages versus most of its rivals in the smartphone market.
The latest evidence: A Yankee Group survey summarized on CNNMoney (via Daring Fireball) saying that 77% of iPhone owners say they'll buy another iPhone, versus just 20% of Google Android customers who say they'll buy another Android phone.
That's a huge difference!
For now, it could be attributed to the early, half-baked state of many Android devices out there -- we assume the customer satisfaction for newer devices like the HTC Droid Incredible and Nexus One is much stronger than that of, say, the original HTC G1.
And, of course, it's quite possible that those people who don't plan to buy another Android phone will buy one anyway, just because it's the best-available smartphone at their carrier, price, or other factors.
But still -- this is a platform war we're at the beginning of, and Google needs to work with its handset partners to make sure Android is a good (and as "sticky") as possible.
(We assume BlackBerry maker RIM has also had very strong loyalty over the years, but it's not mentioned in the article.)"

Lol thas complete bs. I was the former owner of the iPhone 3g and 3gs and since i switched to android i've had eris, droid 1, N1, incedible, and now droid x, having said that, the only one i would choose the iphone over is the eris. I read a similar article on droid life one time but the loyalty to android was actually in the 80s that must be a apple fanboy blog.
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Yep, Pure BS! Some iphonie fan wrote it...

All I see is the numbers, nothing about how they surveyed the people, how many people, and so on. I find that very hard to believe that 80% wouldn't buy another android phone. The iphone % I believe, since pretty much if you own an iphone you buy one every year, or you realise the mistake you made and move to another platform. Oh well, all the press is good news, Android is a viable enemy to iOS and the media and everyone else knows this now. You wouldn't have a survey even done if it wasn't.

Well I had the g1 for 2 years, and towards the end it really started to suck. It didn't have enough memory to run basic framework plus minimal applications. I always had Maps turning off the traffic due to low memory, and traffic checks are maybe the thing I use most often. ( I had ZERO anything on my homescreen as well, no apps, widgets, clocks, nada)
I went to iphone... HUGE mistake obviously (I could have figured it would be since I left iphone for android, but I thought I would give the 3GS a shot)
Then I came to the Nexus One and its uncomparable to either of these phones. If you are using a G1 on android 1.6 you really won't learn what Android is capable of, and you won't learn unless you get on a different device. Once I got to use the N1 and learn all the features of android, the G1 became more capable because I learned what it was trying to imitate. Widgets are one of the main features that make Android the winner. G1 Donut and hero/n1 Eclair are a Night and Day difference for me, and FroYo is amazing with the Dalvik cache and wifi-tether.
So, basically the majority of the people that say they would leave are on the g1 (or a similar, entry type) and don't really know what it is that they are missing.
Oh yea, and the article is BS...

adambenjamin said:
Well I had the g1 for 2 years, and towards the end it really started to suck. It didn't have enough memory to run basic framework plus minimal applications. I always had Maps turning off the traffic due to low memory, and traffic checks are maybe the thing I use most often. ( I had ZERO anything on my homescreen as well, no apps, widgets, clocks, nada)
I went to iphone... HUGE mistake obviously (I could have figured it would be since I left iphone for android, but I thought I would give the 3GS a shot)
Then I came to the Nexus One and its uncomparable to either of these phones. If you are using a G1 on android 1.6 you really won't learn what Android is capable of, and you won't learn unless you get on a different device. Once I got to use the N1 and learn all the features of android, the G1 became more capable because I learned what it was trying to imitate. Widgets are one of the main features that make Android the winner. G1 Donut and hero/n1 Eclair are a Night and Day difference for me, and FroYo is amazing with the Dalvik cache and wifi-tether.
So, basically the majority of the people that say they would leave are on the g1 (or a similar, entry type) and don't really know what it is that they are missing.
Oh yea, and the article is BS...
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i agree. if youre under 2.0, you wont experience the full android experience. to get the best feeling, 2.2 would be the one. this is where fragmentation is the issue

What really urks me is that there is not explination of the numbers, in either article they only say the numbers, not how the numbers were gathered or who was surveyed, as far as I am concerned the statement
"Android is the greatest mobile OS ever, iPhone cant even compare"
is just as plausible given the lack of evidence to support either my statement or their numbers.

Wow. As a show of how intelligent the sites readers are the whole comments section or an argument between fanboys in who will have more market share (the android guys side) and more profit ( the ios guys side).

This its probably true, if they took a sampling from att base. Att has ****ty android examples.

This is nosense.
As good old WM (6.x.x) is fading and WP7 won't compatible with older applications, I finally made a move and migrated to Android.
The first Android phone is nexus one, then you can imagine how high expectation I have with Android, and generally I think I made a right move.
Other than N8 (S60 cubic), the future smartphones will be Android 2.2+ based.

I love my n1 and would definitely get another android phone, once my nexus one dies or something worthwhile comes along to put my n1 into retirement.
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What really pisses me off about this, is that there isn't A SINGLE BIT OF PROOF, no statistics, no evidence, no survey reports, nothing. And this thing is spreading, its the Android 3.0 rumors all over again, unsubstantiated rumors running freely on the internet, and no one is asking the necessary questions.

One question: why are we driving traffic to their site? Copy/paste the content and post it in your OP, then I might read it.

Blueman101 said:
What really pisses me off about this, is that there isn't A SINGLE BIT OF PROOF, no statistics, no evidence, no survey reports, nothing. And this thing is spreading, its the Android 3.0 rumors all over again, unsubstantiated rumors running freely on the internet, and no one is asking the necessary questions.
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73% of statistics are made up on the spot.
Sounds like MS or Apple funded FUD to me. Or a clueless fanboi.

I just converted 3 people to android fanatics in the past month. And with the aria and captivate out for att I'm getting more people on the boat for it. My sister is far from technologically inclined and she still thinks her aria is easier and better than the iphone she almost bought.

I'm willing to guess that 100% of people at this forum would buy Android again We are hardly what I would consider an unbias source as we are browsing Android forums, clearly we love our devices.

I had a G1 for a year and LOVED it. Have had my Nexus One for around 2 months and I LOVE IT as well. If there was a Nexus 2, Id pick it up FOR SURE.
Too bad Google wont be doing another one. But that new 2ghz Motorola Android phone coming this winter sure sounds nice.
And yes, that article is PURE BS.

Dai323 said:
I had a G1 for a year and LOVED it. Have had my Nexus One for around 2 months and I LOVE IT as well. If there was a Nexus 2, Id pick it up FOR SURE.
Too bad Google wont be doing another one. But that new 2ghz Motorola Android phone coming this winter sure sounds nice.
And yes, that article is PURE BS.
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Eh, the article isn't pure BS. Obviously if you bring this article to Android forums you are going to find that a vast majority of the people will call the article BS and say they love their Android phone. The same thing applies if someone were to post this very article on Apple forums, people would agree and say they love their iPhone. Fan-sites for devices are the most bias corners of the internet.
Just because many people here love their Android phones doesn't just mean the article is BS. Thats one thing everyone needs to remember: anyone posting on a fan-oriented forum/site is going to have a bias toward their hardware. They are also the vocal MINORITY. 99% of customers never ever post on a website or forum about how much they love their phone. Thus, people on sites like these represent a tiny fraction of the real market opinion.
Also, CNN Money ran the same story: http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/23/technology/iphone_4_att/index.htm?section=money_latest

I was using windows mobile for a long time until finally making the move to android with the nexus one. I have no regrets, either. When Windows Phone 7 releases, though, I will probably move to them. And if they can't keep up pace with apps/updates/ect, I'll be back on Android. I wont be buying any Apple products ever. I do not like the way they do business.

uberamd said:
Eh, the article isn't pure BS. Obviously if you bring this article to Android forums you are going to find that a vast majority of the people will call the article BS and say they love their Android phone. The same thing applies if someone were to post this very article on Apple forums, people would agree and say they love their iPhone. Fan-sites for devices are the most bias corners of the internet.
Just because many people here love their Android phones doesn't just mean the article is BS. Thats one thing everyone needs to remember: anyone posting on a fan-oriented forum/site is going to have a bias toward their hardware. They are also the vocal MINORITY. 99% of customers never ever post on a website or forum about how much they love their phone. Thus, people on sites like these represent a tiny fraction of the real market opinion.
Also, CNN Money ran the same story: http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/23/technology/iphone_4_att/index.htm?section=money_latest
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Fair enough, but XDA isnt ONLY Android developement. As Android got off to a slow start, I would think its very fair to say that people who purchased Android phones in the past year (Droid, Nexus, Evo, Desire, ect) would be VERY likely to purchase another Android phone.
And Id be willing to bet it would be alot more than 20%.

This Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 review is so bad it's funny

Foxnews.com (I'm laughing already) posted a brief story about the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/06/17/samsung-galaxy-tab-101-no-match-for-ipad/
So yes, the Samsung Galaxy Tab feels nice in the hands, it's got a nice display, and the hardware works well. But who's buying a device like this? Do you walk into a store with a blindfold on, feel around for devices, and say, "You know what? That one feels nice. I'll take that one."
Let's talk about applications, for one thing. Samsung has included about six apps of their own on top of the standard Android package. Subtract them, and you're left with a bunch of shoddy applications that aren't really made for Honeycomb, the operating system running on this device.
There are a bunch of other Android apps, of course -- 65,000 of them or so -- but very few quality ones, and there are very few application developers who are really sinking their teeth into this platform at this to date.
For instance, there are very few good Twitter clients, and very few news readers. Want to browse headlines? You'll be hard pressed here.
So should you buy this device? I can't in good conscience tell you to go out and spend $400 on this half-baked experience when the fully baked iPad experience can be had for just a few dollars more.
Unless of course you want to go shopping blindfolded.​
Where to start?
* The picture before clicking on the story is of the 10.1V model.
* Android has a lot more than 65,000 apps (granted tablet optimized ones are much fewer).
* It's not a $400 tablet.
* I don't wear a blindfold when buying a tablet, but comfort is very important since I have to hold the thing in my hand.
I'm not gonna debate which is better. That's a matter of opinion. But wow, this story was just absolutely bad. Gave me a chuckle.

LOL fox news never ceases to amaze me with their stupidity and lies

Sadly people will read that and be influenced by it. Tech journalism is a toilet bowl.
How these people end up on " name " sites is beyond me.

This is that same station that has Glen Beck. What do you expect from them?

Obviously 'The Daily' isn't selling enough iPad subscriptions. Poor NewsCorp, this is what they've been reduced to.

He's truly an Apple Fan Boy. There was not one thing he liked about the Samsung and the Google experience it seemed. I have an iPad as well, but I prefer using the Android tablets. Yes, Apple has more apps, but many of the apps I use are crippled. For instance, DropBox & SugarSync apps for Android has a lot more features than the iPad version. That was one of the reasons why I went Android.
He's knocking the screen layout of the Samsung, because the Ipad is more suited for portrait mode. I have no problems with the widescreen format, because many laptop screens are pretty much the same format.
I'm glad I came across other reviews on the web. If this was the only review on the net, I'm sure people would definitely stay away from Android.

One thing I've noticed, is that ipad users are mentioning the GT10.1 low weight as a drawback. IIRC one of the great features the IP2 had over IP was lower weight. Of course when someone makes a lighter tablet than the IP2, it's a bad thing...

I never go tablet shopping blindfolded..... Im scared i would end up with an iPad

Actually there are some issues being reported from the early adaptors and I for one agree with some of the review given by Fox. I will not go along with any Fanboys from any tablet manufacture (Including those on this forum) but when I here some hands on users complaints at this early stag, this will consern me in not buying at first launch.
Case in point just today...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1128149
I hope all of you will take a break in bad mouthing a report when some of the story is true and confirmed by a few users.

SR45 said:
Actually there are some issues being reported from the early adaptors and I for one agree with some of the review given by Fox. I will not go along with any Fanboys from any tablet manufacture (Including those on this forum) but when I here some hands on users complaints at this early stag, this will consern me in not buying at first launch.
Case in point just today...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1128149
I hope all of you will take a break in bad mouthing a report when some of the story is true and confirmed by a few users.
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If the story actually complained about specific issues like browser lag or this so called screen response issue (I'm not seeing it), that would at least be somewhat credible.
The story is laughable because it's so factually incorrect and substanceless, and just seems to want to bash a product that I am not sure the author even touched.

SR45 said:
Actually there are some issues being reported from the early adaptors and I for one agree with some of the review given by Fox. I will not go along with any Fanboys from any tablet manufacture (Including those on this forum) but when I here some hands on users complaints at this early stag, this will consern me in not buying at first launch.
Case in point just today...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1128149
I hope all of you will take a break in bad mouthing a report when some of the story is true and confirmed by a few users.
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The browser lag typing in text boxes using the browser is not just a Samsung GT issue. It's a HoneyComb issue. I'm sure future updates will address this issue. I had the same issue with my Acer.

BlackOtaku said:
Obviously 'The Daily' isn't selling enough iPad subscriptions. Poor NewsCorp, this is what they've been reduced to.
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I just thought this was bad journalis, but of course, you're right on the money! With Foxnews being owned by NewsCorp which have a material stake in the success of ipad exclusive 'The Daily', of course, they have to trash Honeycomb Tablets ...

I bought one today, cause I wanted one. My $ and all. Don't watch foxnews propaganda either. That's for the dumbed down folks.
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Ravynmagi said:
Foxnews.com (I'm laughing already) posted a brief story about the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/06/17/samsung-galaxy-tab-101-no-match-for-ipad/
So yes, the Samsung Galaxy Tab feels nice in the hands, it's got a nice display, and the hardware works well. But who's buying a device like this? Do you walk into a store with a blindfold on, feel around for devices, and say, "You know what? That one feels nice. I'll take that one."
Let's talk about applications, for one thing. Samsung has included about six apps of their own on top of the standard Android package. Subtract them, and you're left with a bunch of shoddy applications that aren't really made for Honeycomb, the operating system running on this device.
There are a bunch of other Android apps, of course -- 65,000 of them or so -- but very few quality ones, and there are very few application developers who are really sinking their teeth into this platform at this to date.
For instance, there are very few good Twitter clients, and very few news readers. Want to browse headlines? You'll be hard pressed here.
So should you buy this device? I can't in good conscience tell you to go out and spend $400 on this half-baked experience when the fully baked iPad experience can be had for just a few dollars more.
Unless of course you want to go shopping blindfolded.​
Where to start?
* The picture before clicking on the story is of the 10.1V model.
* Android has a lot more than 65,000 apps (granted tablet optimized ones are much fewer).
* It's not a $400 tablet.
* I don't wear a blindfold when buying a tablet, but comfort is very important since I have to hold the thing in my hand.
I'm not gonna debate which is better. That's a matter of opinion. But wow, this story was just absolutely bad. Gave me a chuckle.
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I have to agree with them on apps. Android apps have always been sub par to apple apps. Other than that this tab is 100% worth it, even with the lag i find myself using it much more than my ipad

Jnn1 said:
I just thought this was bad journalis, but of course, you're right on the money! With Foxnews being owned by NewsCorp which have a material stake in the success of ipad exclusive 'The Daily', of course, they have to trash Honeycomb Tablets ...
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In my humble opinion, Fox News is never stupid without a reason. They typically strive to appeal to a conservative, Christian market (just like their UK cousin, the Daily Mail), and generally I think try to avoid stepping on the toes of anyone within their target demographic. (Everyone else though, is more than fair game) That's because they are a business. I honestly think it's their stake in the iPad that allowed this to even make it on the Fox News website, because they had to know that such a flippant and dismissive article would draw the ire of Android fans; and certainly, there must be some conservative Android users.

Srikar_NBK said:
LOL fox news never ceases to amaze me with their stupidity and lies
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What lies?

While I disagree with the review and find non-tech sourced reviews to be generally lackluster, people here (and in general) give Fox way too much trouble. From what I've seen, they're (at worst) as good as anyone else.

levenite said:
What lies?
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Watch GB...
Article = bad tech journalism or outright propaganda...
As for the tablet - The glass pulling away is a real issue, how severe is yet to be determined. The browser lag is somewhat expected, hopefully fixed soon. Video playback issues cannot be fixed on this tablet unfortunately.
As for someone saying the weight of this tab is a negative, that is just retarded. My iPad 2 still feels heavy after reading for 5 hours (which I did for the first time yesterday).
Enjoy your sexy piece of hardware fellas... It really does look awesome

cypherx82 said:
While I disagree with the review and find non-tech sourced reviews to be generally lackluster, people here (and in general) give Fox way too much trouble. From what I've seen, they're (at worst) as good as anyone else.
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Ehh, like I said, they're a business. So is every other 24 hour cable news station, they all have weaknesses and annoying quirks (and quacks). I know I'm guilty of leading it in that direction a bit, but I don't think this thread should become a 'let's bash Fox!' thread. (Or Glenn Beck, he's leaving Fox anyway )

aboveliquidice said:
Watch GB...
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I watched maybe 20 minutes of him yesterday (second time ever, first being when he was randomly on a few months back at 2 AM) and he made complete sense. Of course, that doesn't mean he's never said stupid stuff. (Far from it.)
I have yet to form an opinion on him, as most of the criticism I've heard of him was along the lines of "right wing loon", "Tea Party fascist", etc. which means nothing to me.

Easy way to get the Ipad UI on the Iconia (funny)

Hey guys I just found out about an easy way to get the ipad UI.
Takes a few minutes and just a few steps.
1. Get an apple logo and cover the Acer name on the back of your tab and fill all usb, hdmi and sd ports with super glue, because ipads get fustrated with to much ports, or apple will send you to jail and sue your ass for putting ios on another device. Then restart the device.
2. It might take a little longer than normal for your tab to start up because it thinks its and I pad now and is not used to having everything it does controlled and monitored.
3. Once it starts up, in the upper right corner of the home screen you will see a button called, "Apps", click it.
4. Waallaa, you now have the I pad UI.
This UI is great with its huge selection of fully customizable Wallpapers!
Hate notifications? Great you won't see those any more. There only for smart people who like some productivity in their life anyway.
Also like searching through useless apps to find the weather, time or simple email? Then you will love this ui.
This is still in its test stages but so far no bugs have been found!
Download here----> i Like my tab uncustomizable and owned by a communist company v1.0.zip
Haha I thought I'd get some humor in the forums.
Sent from my A500 using XDA Premium App

Ah yes, most amusing...
Oh, and it's "Voilà" by the way, not "Waallaa".

You forgot the final step!
Totally forgot the most vital step in this process:
- Sign up for as many tech related message boards as you can - then take it upon yourself to educate the world as to how superior your device is compared to any non-apple device. When people mention things like "ports" and "Working Adobe Flash Support" just put your fingers in your ears and make annoying sounds.
- If available in your area, hit up the local apple "I need a friend" bar, where you can find other people to talk about the superiority of anything Steve Jobs has ever done.

hummmmm
I am totally lost. Guess you gotta have a apple product to understand
giggles

just get the touchwiz and setup similar to iOS///

stay classy monkey10120

stevo9er said:
stay classy monkey10120
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Lol I see what you did there

you know, you'd think that tech minded people would be logical. But that doesn't ever seem to be true.
I have an android phone and iconia tablet. But I don't feel the need to justify my purchase by constantly making up wild claims and trash talking things that aren't what I chose to buy.
Apple makes amazing machines. Anyone who tries to deny that is a short sited fool who just wants to epeen all around the internet to make themselves feel cool.
The only people who talk trash on apple products are the ones who've never used one for more than 30 seconds. So chill out, you just make yourself look like a fool by trash talking something you obviously are not knowledgeable about.
You know why apple locks things out? So your machine works seemlessly and perfectly every time you use it. So that there aren't conflicts between programs or hardware that require constant tweeking to work through, so you have a top quality piece of gear.
example. I have a custom pc I built myself (well several, but my main) is decently fast and constantly being upgraded. It currently has a 2.3 quad core AMD chip with 8 gig of ram. On anything other than gaming my 1.3 dual core, 2gb ram macbook pro leaves it in the dust every time. And I don't have to spend hours constantly working on it to get it to do that. Not once in 6 years have I had a single error, a single bad boot, a single virus, spyware, or even hiccup on the macbook.
So please keep in mind that you look like a tool to anyone who has used both pc and mac and judges a machine on it's reality instead of on the same misrepresenting pile of myths that PC-propagandists have been regurgitating for over a decade.

i like both
Ease of use and stabilty is apples strong suit.
I'm new to droid and have rooted a few devices and recently the a500.
I have experience building computers and am looking forward to all tech and software.
Can't wait for an omap5 tab with dual boot os or tri boot.
Imagine a500 with win8 and icecream.
Bring it. I like options and open source I choose root.

skullkandy said:
you know, you'd think that tech minded people would be logical. But that doesn't ever seem to be true.
I have an android phone and iconia tablet. But I don't feel the need to justify my purchase by constantly making up wild claims and trash talking things that aren't what I chose to buy.
Apple makes amazing machines. Anyone who tries to deny that is a short sited fool who just wants to epeen all around the internet to make themselves feel cool.
The only people who talk trash on apple products are the ones who've never used one for more than 30 seconds. So chill out, you just make yourself look like a fool by trash talking something you obviously are not knowledgeable about.
You know why apple locks things out? So your machine works seemlessly and perfectly every time you use it. So that there aren't conflicts between programs or hardware that require constant tweeking to work through, so you have a top quality piece of gear.
example. I have a custom pc I built myself (well several, but my main) is decently fast and constantly being upgraded. It currently has a 2.3 quad core AMD chip with 8 gig of ram. On anything other than gaming my 1.3 dual core, 2gb ram macbook pro leaves it in the dust every time. And I don't have to spend hours constantly working on it to get it to do that. Not once in 6 years have I had a single error, a single bad boot, a single virus, spyware, or even hiccup on the macbook.
So please keep in mind that you look like a tool to anyone who has used both pc and mac and judges a machine on it's reality instead of on the same misrepresenting pile of myths that PC-propagandists have been regurgitating for over a decade.
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I don't think anyone else before you really need to chill out - you seem to be the only one really riled up about this post. Yes Apple has great hardware, no-one is denying that (apart from the iPad2 camera maybe), and yes we are all aware that Apple locks down their OSs to ensure a smooth experience.
Thing is, this is XDA, and the majority of people on here WANT to be able to tweak their machines to how they see fit. I'm one of those people and it's the main reason I don't have iDevices. If I don't like something I want to change its behaviour, and that's not always possible with Apple devices (at least without having to jailbreak).
Maybe the reason you're acting like a tool on here is because you need a reason to justify spending the extra dollars on your shiny Macbook pro. Yes it works for you, good for you. The minute you come on here calling us short "sited" (sic) fools just paints yourself as someone who likes to epeen around the internet to make themselves look cool and enlightened.
Get a sense of humour. Even the most stalwart of Apple users should be able to admit some of the shortcomings of their devices, as can users of other devices. Or maybe you suffer from the typical Stockholm Syndrome that seems to infect many iFans.

nytrojen said:
I don't think anyone else before you really need to chill out - you seem to be the only one really riled up about this post. Yes Apple has great hardware, no-one is denying that (apart from the iPad2 camera maybe), and yes we are all aware that Apple locks down their OSs to ensure a smooth experience.
Thing is, this is XDA, and the majority of people on here WANT to be able to tweak their machines to how they see fit. I'm one of those people and it's the main reason I don't have iDevices. If I don't like something I want to change its behaviour, and that's not always possible with Apple devices (at least without having to jailbreak).
Maybe the reason you're acting like a tool on here is because you need a reason to justify spending the extra dollars on your shiny Macbook pro. Yes it works for you, good for you. The minute you come on here calling us short "sited" (sic) fools just paints yourself as someone who likes to epeen around the internet to make themselves look cool and enlightened.
Get a sense of humour. Even the most stalwart of Apple users should be able to admit some of the shortcomings of their devices, as can users of other devices. Or maybe you suffer from the typical Stockholm Syndrome that seems to infect many iFans.
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+1!!! Took the words right out of my mouth =D

skullkandy said:
you know, you'd think that tech minded people would be logical. But that doesn't ever seem to be true.
I have an android phone and iconia tablet. But I don't feel the need to justify my purchase by constantly making up wild claims and trash talking things that aren't what I chose to buy.
Apple makes amazing machines. Anyone who tries to deny that is a short sited fool who just wants to epeen all around the internet to make themselves feel cool.
The only people who talk trash on apple products are the ones who've never used one for more than 30 seconds. So chill out, you just make yourself look like a fool by trash talking something you obviously are not knowledgeable about.
You know why apple locks things out? So your machine works seemlessly and perfectly every time you use it. So that there aren't conflicts between programs or hardware that require constant tweeking to work through, so you have a top quality piece of gear.
example. I have a custom pc I built myself (well several, but my main) is decently fast and constantly being upgraded. It currently has a 2.3 quad core AMD chip with 8 gig of ram. On anything other than gaming my 1.3 dual core, 2gb ram macbook pro leaves it in the dust every time. And I don't have to spend hours constantly working on it to get it to do that. Not once in 6 years have I had a single error, a single bad boot, a single virus, spyware, or even hiccup on the macbook.
So please keep in mind that you look like a tool to anyone who has used both pc and mac and judges a machine on it's reality instead of on the same misrepresenting pile of myths that PC-propagandists have been regurgitating for over a decade.
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Wow.
You seem rather upset over a bit of sillyness. Of course apple makes an amazing product - modern phones/tablets are amazing.
So "chill out". You don't want to "look like a tool", right?

skullkandy said:
The only people who talk trash on apple products are the ones who've never used one for more than 30 seconds. So chill out, you just make yourself look like a fool by trash talking something you obviously are not knowledgeable about.
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I've spent countless hours on iPhones, my fiancée owns one, and I have several friends that own them. I've jailbroken them and even taken one apart. I think the phone is a child's toy and would never want to own one. Your assertion has been invalidated by a single individual due to your poor choice of words.
My question is, and I genuinely would love an answer to this. Why are you so defensive about apple products? Are you a designer? If so, that would make sense, I would not want to read about people bashing something I devoted so much effort into. But if not, and again, I genuinely mean this, why are you so defensive?

HAHA nice. When I first saw the thread headline I was gonna slap whoever started the thread thinking it was for real. Very funny! Love the part about super gluing the ports shut.

i guess it's easy in comparison to make your os run smooth when there is no USB support, no ports, etc...
Basic = ios

I knew an apple fanboy would rant on this one, op hilarious howto though
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you know how some apple fans are
With the expense of apples tablets/phones - it's no wonder the fanboys get really defensive - no one wants to consider the idea that they overpaid for a device that, quite frankly, is lacking in the features department.
Sure - the IPad is impressive. But once you factor in the lack of ports, lack of adobe flash support, and the locked down nature of the OS - it's a hell of a lot less impressive.
Sure - the IPhone is impressive. But once you factor in the cost, lack of adobe flash support, and the locked down OS - you get the idea...

I would give you more points and arguments. But like usual your only "argument" if you can call it that is "you're a fanboy!!!!" because factual discussion is something you douches are unable to handle....as are every moron who likes to talk trash on apple products without having a clue what they're even talking about.
I choose to use pc for my gaming and android for my mobile devices because they fit what I want them for. But that doesn't mean apple sucks or all the other idiotic things you people say around here. In fact apple makes amazing software and hardware.
I'm only advocating not being a fool and if you're going to talk trash then know what the heck you're saying...which none of you do. It irritates me to no end when people think it makes their e-peen bigger to talk down anything that isn't what they have. It doesn't make you cool, or hip and ironic.
Everyone in the room who hasn't ever used an apple product for more than 15 seconds shouldn't be allowed to open their mouths as they're just talking out their arse to hear themselves speak....oh wait that doesn't leave anyone else here.

skullkandy said:
I would give you more points and arguments. But like usual your only "argument" if you can call it that is "you're a fanboy!!!!" because factual discussion is something you douches are unable to handle....as are every moron who likes to talk trash on apple products without having a clue what they're even talking about.
I choose to use pc for my gaming and android for my mobile devices because they fit what I want them for. But that doesn't mean apple sucks or all the other idiotic things you people say around here. In fact apple makes amazing software and hardware.
I'm only advocating not being a fool and if you're going to talk trash then know what the heck you're saying...which none of you do. It irritates me to no end when people think it makes their e-peen bigger to talk down anything that isn't what they have. It doesn't make you cool, or hip and ironic.
Everyone in the room who hasn't ever used an apple product for more than 15 seconds shouldn't be allowed to open their mouths as they're just talking out their arse to hear themselves speak....oh wait that doesn't leave anyone else here.
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Way to go, dude. Not only did you refer to xda members as "Morons", but you seem to be pretty upset over this thread. The OP was making a silly joke about what is one of the primary advantages of the Acer Iconia Android tablet over the Apple IPad - why does this offend you so much, to the point where you are willing to make a post as rude as the one I just quoted?
Do I think you are taking things way too seriously? Yes, I do. Will I call you a "Moron" for expressing your opinion? No, I won't. However, I think you are getting a little upset over what is intended to be amusing.
If you would like to logically discuss the reasons many users feel the Acer Iconia to be a superior product (again, ports, cost, and flash support are my reasons why I find apple hardware to be useless) - that would be fun! If you are just going to hurl insults via the internet - I would recommend you head over to a forum full of die hard apple fans - you are much less likely to find anything that upsets you or causes you to type a post like the one you just did.

Can we please not have flame wars over nothing!
I have an iPhone and the Iconia Tab, and I find both equally good in their own place. When I purchased this tablet about a month back, I had to choose between iPad 2 and Iconia, and I went with Iconia just because of the reasons mentioned here countless times (the Flash support, full USB 2.0 port, cheaper and generally better hardware). However, before iPhone I was the proud owner of a Samsung Galaxy S, a device that blows iPhone 4 right out the window when it comes to sheer hardware. However, my life is more peaceful since I switched, mainly because I am not flashing ROMs every weekend, looking for better features and builds.
My point is simply this: both Apple and Android have their own merits and demerits. Apple's closed system delivers the easiest and frankly, most convenient user experience. Android, on the other hand, not only features better hardware (generally), but also allows more flexibility in terms of what you want to do with your device and how you want to treat it.
In the end, it all boils down to a user's own preference on how they want to use their device, and what for. No reason to get all worked up about it.
And oh, I'd think twice before calling anyone at XDA a 'moron'. The guys here are the finest you'll find anywhere, and they love what they do, making Android a more pleasant experience for all of us.
P.S. to the OP, hilarious! brilliant idea!

From the inside looking out...

I'm sure for many people, the last 24 hours has sucked in regards to SHIELD. I know for me it has. And even more frustrating is the lack of communication and transparency that should be expected from a large corporation who cares about its customers. Obviously, I feel the anger and frustration that is being vented both in the geforce forums and, to a lesser extent, over here on XDA. And I have no other outlet than XDA. First, and foremost, realize that the decision to delay the product, the reasons behind it, and the execution of the delay are unrelated. I, along with many, feel they really messed up on the execution of the announcement. Am I disappointed? Of course I am. There are hundreds of engineers around the world who have been putting in long hours for months (some of us, even over a year) to make this product. This is a passion for us. I, personally, involved myself into community aspects of the device. For example, I was one of the voices asking for the device to be unlockable. And NVIDIA didn't put up a fight for it, they agreed. Deep down, the heart of the company wants the best for everyone.
I'd like to answer a few questions that I ask myself, as a developer and a member of the XDA community:
1. Do you plan to run CM on the device, and why?
This is always a very important question for me while at work. This question is important because it represents all the shortcomings I feel exist in the product. But I'm not the average user, I'm an XDA member. That means that additional settings do not scare me. Ease of use can be reduced in the name of more advanced functionality. And Google Certification is a requirement that CM doesn't have. But I think deeply about every feature I want from a custom ROM, and what the product should do. Ultimately, yes, I plan to install CM. And it is because of the advanced tweaks available in CM that don't belong in a standard user device.
2. Do you think the device is worth it?
Do I think the device is worth the long hours, the stress, the loss of my personal development time (which is why I had to mostly drop the EVO 3D), and the time away from my kids? Obviously, that question also has the benefits I've gotten, like attending CES and Google I/O. But ultimately, I still work on it, and I still want it to be the best it can be. So the answer has to be yes.
3. This whole debacle is ridiculous, shouldn't I just cancel my pre-order? NVIDIA obviously doesn't know how to launch a product...
This comes back to the earlier message. Engineers build a product, marketing sells a product, and the company as a whole is represented by the product. The mistakes made in the messaging and delays don't represent the engineering and product, they represent a company which still has some lessons in releasing a customer product. It's easy to get emotionally wrapped up in it, because the disappointment so close to the release. And I'm not immune. If anything, I've also got the disappointment in the world finally getting to see what we've done and use it. That's why I'm writing this thread, because it helps me express my feelings in a constructive way.
4. What would you change?
I'm slowly becoming disenchanted with Google's AOSP design. While I love the product being so close to AOSP, it reminds me how ugly AOSP really is. I don't want something like Sense or Touchwiz. What I want is AOSP, but sharper looking and using the graphical power of modern devices. Does everything really need a flat gray look? TWRP looks ugly to me, compared to the install phase of 4EXT. Halo is outdated and sad-looking. I want glass effects, I want sharp text and lines. I want to feel like the display is sharp and crisp while in the launcher and settings. I want my settings to have tabs (like MIUI used to have, maybe still does?) for the different areas. But again, the goal is to line up with AOSP, which I can respect.
Ok, so I'm out of questions and I'm feeling a bit better. If you have questions for me, be my guest... I'll do my best to answer, and when I can't, I'll do my best to get an official answer...

agrabren said:
I'm sure for many people, the last 24 hours has sucked in regards to SHIELD. I know for me it has. And even more frustrating is the lack of communication and transparency that should be expected from a large corporation who cares about its customers. Obviously, I feel the anger and frustration that is being vented both in the geforce forums and, to a lesser extent, over here on XDA. And I have no other outlet than XDA. First, and foremost, realize that the decision to delay the product, the reasons behind it, and the execution of the delay are unrelated. I, along with many, feel they really messed up on the execution of the announcement. Am I disappointed? Of course I am. There are hundreds of engineers around the world who have been putting in long hours for months (some of us, even over a year) to make this product. This is a passion for us. I, personally, involved myself into community aspects of the device. For example, I was one of the voices asking for the device to be unlockable. And NVIDIA didn't put up a fight for it, they agreed. Deep down, the heart of the company wants the best for everyone.
I'd like to answer a few questions that I ask myself, as a developer and a member of the XDA community:
1. Do you plan to run CM on the device, and why?
This is always a very important question for me while at work. This question is important because it represents all the shortcomings I feel exist in the product. But I'm not the average user, I'm an XDA member. That means that additional settings do not scare me. Ease of use can be reduced in the name of more advanced functionality. And Google Certification is a requirement that CM doesn't have. But I think deeply about every feature I want from a custom ROM, and what the product should do. Ultimately, yes, I plan to install CM. And it is because of the advanced tweaks available in CM that don't belong in a standard user device.
2. Do you think the device is worth it?
Do I think the device is worth the long hours, the stress, the loss of my personal development time (which is why I had to mostly drop the EVO 3D), and the time away from my kids? Obviously, that question also has the benefits I've gotten, like attending CES and Google I/O. But ultimately, I still work on it, and I still want it to be the best it can be. So the answer has to be yes.
3. This whole debacle is ridiculous, shouldn't I just cancel my pre-order? NVIDIA obviously doesn't know how to launch a product...
This comes back to the earlier message. Engineers build a product, marketing sells a product, and the company as a whole is represented by the product. The mistakes made in the messaging and delays don't represent the engineering and product, they represent a company which still has some lessons in releasing a customer product. It's easy to get emotionally wrapped up in it, because the disappointment so close to the release. And I'm not immune. If anything, I've also got the disappointment in the world finally getting to see what we've done and use it. That's why I'm writing this thread, because it helps me express my feelings in a constructive way.
4. What would you change?
I'm slowly becoming disenchanted with Google's AOSP design. While I love the product being so close to AOSP, it reminds me how ugly AOSP really is. I don't want something like Sense or Touchwiz. What I want is AOSP, but sharper looking and using the graphical power of modern devices. Does everything really need a flat gray look? TWRP looks ugly to me, compared to the install phase of 4EXT. Halo is outdated and sad-looking. I want glass effects, I want sharp text and lines. I want to feel like the display is sharp and crisp while in the launcher and settings. I want my settings to have tabs (like MIUI used to have, maybe still does?) for the different areas. But again, the goal is to line up with AOSP, which I can respect.
Ok, so I'm out of questions and I'm feeling a bit better. If you have questions for me, be my guest... I'll do my best to answer, and when I can't, I'll do my best to get an official answer...
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thanks man!
am i sad about the delay? yeah a little. but i respect Nvidia as a company and I know they can deliver. and if they need an extra month(or 4) to do so, im perfectly ok with it. from the gpu's to the specs to the videos, websites and drivers.. i love almost everything about Nvidia and a botched release date is NOT going to make me cancel my pre-order.
I hope nvidia uses this time to add/optimize a few extra streamable games

Excuse me for the non-Shield related question, I just wanted to know if you definetly dropped the EVO 3D or in future you probably come back..of course you don't have to give a single explaination to anybody, but if you won't develop anymore for evo, probably I will change device because there isn't a fully functional and stable rom (with or without 3D) with a new version of jelly bean and I have to stuck on the old Android 4.0..I appreciate the efforts that many developers are still making for this quite-old device, but some bugs probably won't never be fixed without you (i'm talking about battery drain, bootloops..).
Sorry for the off topic..

I know delays can happen. What frustrates me is the short notice and the fact that specs in the mobile world get outdated in about 6 months. I want this device while it is the cream of the crop as far as specifications are concerned. I don't think it was a coincidence that Gamestop had the release date listed as 6/30 for awhile.

Evo_Shift said:
I know delays can happen. What frustrates me is the short notice and the fact that specs in the mobile world get outdated in about 6 months. I want this device while it is the cream of the crop as far as specifications are concerned. I don't think it was a coincidence that Gamestop had the release date listed as 6/30 for awhile.
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The 6/30 release date was because we listed "by the end of June" as our target launch date before we made had set a hard launch date. So GameStop did the obvious: June has 30 days, so it ships June 30th.

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Excuse me for the non-Shield related question, I just wanted to know if you definetly dropped the EVO 3D or in future you probably come back..of course you don't have to give a single explaination to anybody, but if you won't develop anymore for evo, probably I will change device because there isn't a fully functional and stable rom (with or without 3D) with a new version of jelly bean and I have to stuck on the old Android 4.0..I appreciate the efforts that many developers are still making for this quite-old device, but some bugs probably won't never be fixed without you (i'm talking about battery drain, bootloops..).
Sorry for the off topic..
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My future on the EVO 3D is on a feature-by-feature basis. As was pointed out accurately, since I don't run the OS as a daily, I don't see the issues like I did when it was my primary device.

[Article] Oneplus One: The Dark Side

In this article, I will summarize all of the reviews of the Oneplus One out there, focusing solely on the often overlooked negatives, and reveal to the reader how the One falls short despite what the hype would have you believe. This is by no means an impartial review, and is an attempt to help prospective buyers make informed decisions in the wake of the tremendous hype making this phone out to be flawless.
If you're reading this here on xda, you're probably already aware of the beastly specs and a price comparable to Google's Nexus line. The use of Cyanogenmod is also a welcome change that implies the phone was built with flashaholics like myself in mind, and will appeal to most power users here. This, coupled with a 'never settle' motto, attempts to fill a void that users of various other flagships have been feeling for a while.
To begin with the hardware, the One does not come with an SD card expansion slot. This is why the phone comes in a 64gb variant in addition to the 16gb One. But this does not even come close to the 144-160gb of maximum storage that other flagships are offering. With pictures taken in RAW format and 4K video recording, you can expect to run out of space all too quickly with less than 60gb of usable space. Assuming, of course, that you are not opting for the 16gb variant, which would seem all but pointless in this regard. Oneplus has been parading Koushik Dutta's views on SD card storage as some sort of excuse for this missing feature, forgetting that it needs to be adequately compensated for before being phased out.
The One uses a non-removable 3100mah battery. Oneplus has been busy trying to convince the consumers that a removable battery would have resulted in sacrifices like lower battery capacity and a thicker phone. This is contradictory to the 3000mah battery found in the Oppo Find 7, which also happens to be using the same chassis as the One, and has a near identical thickness (8.9mm vs. 9.2mm on the Find 7). The Find 7 has both a removable battery and an SD card slot.
The camera is probably one of the defining features of this phone. "6 lenses with an f/2.0 aperture" certainly sounds impressive on paper anyway. However, reviewers have unequivocally been complaining about the poor camera performance and low quality photos, CM hurried to get a fix out, and while they were able to improve upon the downright terrible and washed out photos, they've thus far been unable to resolve the choppy 4k video due to the phone apparently being unable to keep up.
Reviewers have also consistently complained about the in call volume being inaudible: something one would think is the most important aspect of any phone. CM released a quick fix that improved the volume 'a little' but still leaves a lot to be desired. Oneplus claims that this is a software issue that can be addressed.
Coming to the software, anyone who's used CM11 will be aware that there isn't a stable release out yet and only nightlies and snapshots are available. As expected, CM11s is riddled with bugs and FC's on this phone. Indeed, several settings are inaccessible due to FCs and the Xposed framework is unusable if you opt for ART runtime. If you're familiar with JIRA, you will also be aware that such bugs are fixed on a priority basis, and with the CM team already thinly stretched out, you're looking at upto several months before all of these bugs are sufficiently ironed out.
The process of procuring a phone has rarely been this relevant before. Oneplus have added to the One's shortcomings with their insulting invite system- the only possible way of acquiring the One. Despite what faithful disciples of the Oneplus marketing propaganda would have you believe, the invite system is not a result of an inability to meet demand. At a maximum production capacity of 30,000 units per day, it would be safe to presume that they would have amassed a huge stock by now. Their policy is doubtlessly aimed at giving their product a faux feeling of exclusivity and get owners drunk on the power to choose who can have one. Of course, this is false because the invite system will eventually be downsized to "easily attainable invites for all" once the hype machine has slowed down to a crawl. Meanwhile, regular customers who don't want to jump through hoops will have to wait for the majority of 'faithful' forum members to be served before they can have the opportunity, which brings us to the forums.
The Oneplus forum atmosphere is competitive and designed to make you crave the phone by overcoming reasoning. The invite system predictably has many begging for an invite in futility. Members are encouraged to 'contribute' to build up their post count and acquire 'likes' and 'trophy points' to improve their chances of getting an invite. Users who do anything less than glorify the phone are routinely singled out and rebuked. This is further exacerbated by non-existent moderation on the Oneplus forums. The moderators flat out refuse to take any action against racist comments, bigotry and just plain spamming on the forum, calling this style of non-moderation 'discretion'. They obviously want to hold on to prospective customers like grim death.
The latest invite system debacle introduces a 'contest', where users need to accumulate contest points by following Oneplus and posting about them on facebook, twitter and google+. To further improve your non-existent chances (150 invites will be distributed amongst the 50,000+ members), you have to do this everyday for 5 days. To use an analogy, they're holding a sort of lottery but giving everyone 5 tickets which defeats the purpose. They could just as easily give everyone one ticket, which amounts to the same thing, but then this wouldn't make for good advertising. It is plain to see that Oneplus only want the desperate following that other major smartphone manufacturers have- even more so since they need to be desperate enough
to do Oneplus' marketing for them. Here, Oneplus ask for nothing less than your dignity in return for the opportunity to pay anyway.
To conclude, specs alone do not a good phone make and the Oneplus One is certainly lacking in several aspects. The adoption of Cyanogenmod is nothing less than an attempt to buy their following and appeal to the xda flashaholic, and the 'never settle' motto is simply a hollow marketing slogan that falls short of it's promise at the first hurdle.
One tends buys a phone for how it currently performs rather than how it may perform in the future. If you decide you want the One after weighing it's shortcomings, be prepared to either wait for a long time, or prostitute yourself for the early 'privilege' of paying for one.

Thanks for that review. Good to hear a rational, well thought out discussion that cuts through the hype surrounding this handset. As a startup, I can understand why they feel they need such overblown marketing strategies in order to get noticed but that invite system is just retarded. Why would you go to a prostitute who you had to beg and clean her house just so you can then pay her for sex? You can just get married and get the sex for free (though you'll still have to beg and clean). If they want die hard sycophants, maybe they should aim their marketing at the Apple crowd. You might not convert many, but those you do convert will eat a maternity ward's worth of babies to further the hyperbole surrounding your product.

Poor review.
All buyers know it doesn't come with removable battery or expandable storage (SD slot). If you need one of this, just don't buy it. Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 4, 5, Moto X, HTC since One (One S, One X, One M7 - except M8 which has SD slot but no removable battery), iPhone (2g,3g,3gs,4,4s, 5, 5s,6,6s,7,7s, etc), LG G2, many of recent flagships don't have neither removable battery nor SD slot.
I need both removable battery and sd slot, this is why I keep my S4.
It's true that CM isn't stable, but from what I read this version is supposed to be as stable and good as any other OS, except that it won't come with any bloatcrapware. Actually, even if it was a nightly CM, IMHO it'd be better than any other brands OS. I don't remember the last time I had a FC in my S4 running CM11 nightlies (and I'm using ART).
About ART, there are leaks suggesting it will be the default compiler in next Android version that might be released next month. When that happens, I bet Xposed will support ART.
The oneplus invite system is indeed very bad. It's clearly a marketing thing. They just was smart enough to use people as marketers.
Camera quality and voice calls volume is something that is hard to tell. The device wasn't even released yet. But if it's true (bad camera quality and low in-call volume) those complaints should appeear in Oppo 7a which uses the same hardware.
I don't know if I'm going to buy this device because I found it bigger than what I want. I already feel my S4 too big. Besides, I prefer having expandable storage and removable battery.
I'm just considering buying it because it's a very good phone for the price.

I appreciate that you are well spoken in your post. Is a welcome break from the inanity that normally spews from most naysayers. That said, you seem to be a bit misinformed and bias. I'm not going to breakdown your post on my tablet, I'll leave that for someone else. You really shouldn't expect something that you wouldn't get on a nexus 5, even though you are getting a larger screen, higher resolution camera, larger battery, more storage, faster processor, more ram, and more customization at a lower price. You're not going to get a removable battery or sd card, the same as a nexus or iPhone. Cm 11s is not cm 11, its a relicensed version of android, is Google certified, and will have a different update schedule and level of stability that is not yet known. How the invite system will affect sales and how difficult it will be to get an invite is also unknown as no invites have been given yet. Nothing is setup to annoy you, and you shouldn't be taking the fact that you don't have this phone personally.
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You forgot to mention the missing LTE bands. So yes the phone has a number of potential drawbacks but I'll still buy one if I can get my hands on it before my trip to the UK this summer. At least it's not locked to a network and rockin' a locked bootloader like AT&T's Galaxy S5.
As for the invite system, all it's going to do is put too much money into the pockets of Ebay flippers.

@Torquemada288
Glad you appreciate and get it. Indeed apple fanatics are flocking towards the hype vortex on the oneplus forums as only apple fans could, asking for advice on apple withdrawal. At least they will be introduced to android.

@Jubi Lee
This is not an exhaustive list of flaws but a look at some of the more serious ones.
Missing LTE band 20, wireless charging, etc. are inconsequential to most imho.

@extrem0 and @The Jack of Clubs,
Kindly read paragraph one again as you seem to be mistaken about my motivations for writing this post. My intention is not to steer people away from this product or to recommend the 6 month old Nexus 5. It is to negate the marketing propaganda people will inevitably run into when trying to learn about this phone, help them avoid the honey trap and make a lasting decision they can be happy with. I've done this partly by highlighting the more serious flaws in the One itself and partly by reporting contradictory information from Oneplus that reveal a lot of excuses and a hollow ideology.
It may well be that this will be the most stable version of CM yet, but this is not reflected in the current state of affairs: very buggy, as evidenced by the FC's within the settings app that most cm users would be familiar with (to state a single example). While this is something that one would expect from a rooted phone customized to high heaven, it is far from the experience expected of a stock, unrooted, unmodified phone.

@OP
I appreciate the negative side since I've only read good things about it. It will help me weigh the pros and cons to decide whether I want one or not.
Personally the price is tempting and I would only use it during the weekends and to cure my flasholic itches. For work days I'll stick to my Note 3 and probably Note 4 or even LG G3 depending how it is and if I'm willing to switch to LG for work.
-Sent from Galaxy Note 3 via Tapatalk

I did read your full post including the first paragraph. I'm just saying your review isn't that true for the reasons I wrote in my last post.
You are talking about CM. There are a lot of phones running CM, official an unofficial builds. Saying it's very buggy is very inappropriate, since there are many phones and maintainers. I already said. I'm using it in my S4 (nightly build) and it's very stable. Now, if you try a Cm in a 2 year phone that the manufacturer didn't release kernel sources updates, then you're very likely to have a CM buggy with some FC.
I agree with you about opo invite system, but I disagree about all the rest. The phone wasn't released yet, you can't talk about what is unavailable. Even if it was available, it can be fixed, just as Google has been doing to Nexus 5 camera.

Extremely HATEFUL, BIASED and BUTT-HURT article.
terrafirma1950 said:
In this article, I will summarize all of the reviews of the Oneplus One out there, focusing solely on the often overlooked negatives, and reveal to the reader how the One falls short despite what the hype would have you believe. This is by no means an impartial review, and is an attempt to help prospective buyers make informed decisions in the wake of the tremendous hype making this phone out to be flawless.
If you're reading this here on xda, you're probably already aware of the beastly specs and a price comparable to Google's Nexus line. The use of Cyanogenmod is also a welcome change that implies the phone was built with flashaholics like myself in mind, and will appeal to most power users here. This, coupled with a 'never settle' motto, attempts to fill a void that users of various other flagships have been feeling for a while.
To begin with the hardware, the One does not come with an SD card expansion slot. This is why the phone comes in a 64gb variant in addition to the 16gb One. But this does not even come close to the 144-160gb of maximum storage that other flagships are offering. With pictures taken in RAW format and 4K video recording, you can expect to run out of space all too quickly with less than 60gb of usable space. Assuming, of course, that you are not opting for the 16gb variant, which would seem all but pointless in this regard. Oneplus has been parading Koushik Dutta's views on SD card storage as some sort of excuse for this missing feature, forgetting that it needs to be adequately compensated for before being phased out.
The One uses a non-removable 3100mah battery. Oneplus has been busy trying to convince the consumers that a removable battery would have resulted in sacrifices like lower battery capacity and a thicker phone. This is contradictory to the 3000mah battery found in the Oppo Find 7, which also happens to be using the same chassis as the One, and has a near identical thickness (8.9mm vs. 9.2mm on the Find 7). The Find 7 has both a removable battery and an SD card slot.
The camera is probably one of the defining features of this phone. "6 lenses with an f/2.0 aperture" certainly sounds impressive on paper anyway. However, reviewers have unequivocally been complaining about the poor camera performance and low quality photos, CM hurried to get a fix out, and while they were able to improve upon the downright terrible and washed out photos, they've thus far been unable to resolve the choppy 4k video due to the phone apparently being unable to keep up.
Reviewers have also consistently complained about the in call volume being inaudible: something one would think is the most important aspect of any phone. CM released a quick fix that improved the volume 'a little' but still leaves a lot to be desired. Oneplus claims that this is a software issue that can be addressed.
Coming to the software, anyone who's used CM11 will be aware that there isn't a stable release out yet and only nightlies and snapshots are available. As expected, CM11s is riddled with bugs and FC's on this phone. Indeed, several settings are inaccessible due to FCs and the Xposed framework is unusable if you opt for ART runtime. If you're familiar with JIRA, you will also be aware that such bugs are fixed on a priority basis, and with the CM team already thinly stretched out, you're looking at upto several months before all of these bugs are sufficiently ironed out.
The process of procuring a phone has rarely been this relevant before. Oneplus have added to the One's shortcomings with their insulting invite system- the only possible way of acquiring the One. Despite what faithful disciples of the Oneplus marketing propaganda would have you believe, the invite system is not a result of an inability to meet demand. At a maximum production capacity of 30,000 units per day, it would be safe to presume that they would have amassed a huge stock by now. Their policy is doubtlessly aimed at giving their product a faux feeling of exclusivity and get owners drunk on the power to choose who can have one. Of course, this is false because the invite system will eventually be downsized to "easily attainable invites for all" once the hype machine has slowed down to a crawl. Meanwhile, regular customers who don't want to jump through hoops will have to wait for the majority of 'faithful' forum members to be served before they can have the opportunity, which brings us to the forums.
The Oneplus forum atmosphere is competitive and designed to make you crave the phone by overcoming reasoning. The invite system predictably has many begging for an invite in futility. Members are encouraged to 'contribute' to build up their post count and acquire 'likes' and 'trophy points' to improve their chances of getting an invite. Users who do anything less than glorify the phone are routinely singled out and rebuked. This is further exacerbated by non-existent moderation on the Oneplus forums. The moderators flat out refuse to take any action against racist comments, bigotry and just plain spamming on the forum, calling this style of non-moderation 'discretion'. They obviously want to hold on to prospective customers like grim death.
The latest invite system debacle introduces a 'contest', where users need to accumulate contest points by following Oneplus and posting about them on facebook, twitter and google+. To further improve your non-existent chances (150 invites will be distributed amongst the 50,000+ members), you have to do this everyday for 5 days. To use an analogy, they're holding a sort of lottery but giving everyone 5 tickets which defeats the purpose. They could just as easily give everyone one ticket, which amounts to the same thing, but then this wouldn't make for good advertising. It is plain to see that Oneplus only want the desperate following that other major smartphone manufacturers have- even more so since they need to be desperate enough
to do Oneplus' marketing for them. Here, Oneplus ask for nothing less than your dignity in return for the opportunity to pay anyway.
To conclude, specs alone do not a good phone make and the Oneplus One is certainly lacking in several aspects. The adoption of Cyanogenmod is nothing less than an attempt to buy their following and appeal to the xda flashaholic, and the 'never settle' motto is simply a hollow marketing slogan that falls short of it's promise at the first hurdle.
One tends buys a phone for how it currently performs rather than how it may perform in the future. If you decide you want the One after weighing it's shortcomings, be prepared to either wait for a long time, or prostitute yourself for the early 'privilege' of paying for one.
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Contradictory to what it claims to be, this article/review or whatever it is, is really Biased and perhaps so because the writer was recently kicked out of the OnePlus forums.
I have read and watched a Dozen reviews of this phone. And like every other Flagship Smartphone (be it SAMSUNG, LG or SONY) out there, there have been issues/niggles reported for this one too. But, nothing is as DRAMATICally World-Shattering as is being made out by the writer here.

I agree of all matters! The lack of SD card is very uncomforting, esspecialy if you need to replace the phone... all your data needs moving.
The idea of OnePlus is great, but because of this negativities, I will wait for the next comming models!

chil3r said:
I agree of all matters! The lack of SD card is very uncomforting, esspecialy if you need to replace the phone... all your data needs moving.
The idea of OnePlus is great, but because of this negativities, I will wait for the next comming models!
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I don't mind the lack of SD card. For me this is fine since I'm going for the 64 GB version. If I want to move data, I use a USB stick (luckily, the phone supports OTG).

@extrem0
I was describing bugs in cm11s affecting THIS phone in a post production model. Yes they'll likely be fixed eventually but as it stands now, it poses a problem.
@coolravsun
Lol I find that hilarious. You couldn't try to get kicked out of the Oneplus forums. Considering what I've mentioned...there was even someone bragging about fraud, posting screenshots of himself commiting the act and he didn't get banned; no his posts weren't even censored. He sure racked up plenty of 'likes' though. I really don't think its possible to get kicked off of there.
These 'niggles' that you mention are exactly what I've described here (some of them anyway), But I've left it to the reader to decide whether they're 'niggles' or something bigger.
I understand you're hurt and don't blame you as I suspect you're on day 3 of 5 and would have collected 20 something contest points by now.

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@extrem0
I was describing bugs in cm11s affecting THIS phone in a post production model. Yes they'll likely be fixed eventually but as it stands now, it poses a problem.
@coolravsun
Lol I find that hilarious. You couldn't try to get kicked out of the Oneplus forums. Considering what I've mentioned...there was even someone bragging about fraud, posting screenshots of himself commiting the act and he didn't get banned; no his posts weren't even censored. He sure racked up plenty of 'likes' though. I really don't think its possible to get kicked off of there.
These 'niggles' that you mention are exactly what I've described here (some of them anyway), But I've left it to the reader to decide whether they're 'niggles' or something bigger.
I understand you're hurt and don't blame you as I suspect you're on day 3 of 5 and would have collected 20 something contest points by now.
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Hurt??? Why would I be hurt? It's not my company or product that you are *****ing about. I am only trying to tell you that all these issues/niggles are workable and NONE of the Smartphones ever have been free of defects/issues. So, OnePlus also deserves some space before being dismissed as another cheap chinese company.
And please stop trying to paint yourself white by saying "I've left it to the reader to decide whether they're 'niggles' or something bigger". Before even trying to claim so, please go through Andrew's review on AndroidCentral. That's how you be frank and transparent in your review.
Whereas, right from the start, your post smells of some kind of personal vendetta against OnePlus for some reason. One thing you should agree upon that it is not Open-Minded and is HEAVILY biased against OnePlus.

Because of the marketing scheme I'm very tempted to give up my quest for this phone. The exclusiveness of the invite system is even more appalling then the prices and business practices associated with the Apple brand. What about adults who don't want to beg like a little girl so that we may be allowed to give You our money, this even when You're profiting from our effort in terms of free and saved advertisement. IMHO they are treating us all like children.
I'd rather not have Your logo on every single piece of hardware in the phone, I'd sooner want a decent system where I'm able to have a comfortable and satisfying purchase experience.

terrafirma1950 said:
@extrem0
I was describing bugs in cm11s affecting THIS phone in a post production model. Yes they'll likely be fixed eventually but as it stands now, it poses a problem.
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I didn't know that probably because I'm not in touch with anyone who has the phone. But I bet there are 100 people at most that has the device as a customer. They received their device pretty quickly without the accessories. I think that when the device becomes available this bugs will already be fixed. Probably more will appear. Fortunately, it's a software issue, so it can be fixed in the already produced phones.
I'm really considering buying this device. The downside is the lack of SD slot, removable battery and its phablet size. But you won't find a device with this specs for this price. This is why there are a lot of people interested in.
I've been wondering that the lack of SD card can be a good thing, since if you lose or have your phone stolen, the thief won't have your SD card right away with a lot of information. Besides 64gb is more than enough for the majority (including myself).

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