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samsung note not worth buying

Dear Friends,
My suggestion is that Samsung Note is not worth buying,
Reasons being
1. EMMC Bug can is not fixed and still they (Samsung) has not even accepted fully that they have this error. they have not addressed that they will be providing the solution or not. So rooting and customization will be hard for general users.
2. Forget about rooting, Still with the stock rom itself Phone reboots may times without any reasons.
3. Software hangs even with Stock rom and only way is to reboot it manually.
4. Very poor Wifi network, frequently turn off and turn on WIFI without any reason.
5. Samsung do not hear the voice of customer. very bad services.
6. especially in Indian type of consumer market buying Samsung Note at the present rate is not worth.
7. No widget for music player, 1X4 or 1X5 Dual Clock.
8. Touch Pen Problems not addressed
9. For the money its not worth with Bug in EMMC.
Never Never Never Buy Samsung Products. untill they are hit with sales they do not hear the customer Voice. One fine day they will also be like Nokia.
Thanks for looking this post
Goodbye to Samsung Notes.
Say Goodbye to Samsung.

prakashraobs said:
Dear Friends,
My suggestion is that Samsung Note is not worth buying,
Reasons being
1. EMMC Bug can is not fixed and still they (Samsung) has not even accepted fully that they have this error. they have not addressed that they will be providing the solution or not. So rooting and customization will be hard for general users.
2. Forget about rooting, Still with the stock rom itself Phone reboots may times without any reasons.
3. Software hangs even with Stock rom and only way is to reboot it manually.
4. Very poor Wifi network, frequently turn off and turn on WIFI without any reason.
5. Samsung do not hear the voice of customer. very bad services.
6. especially in Indian type of consumer market buying Samsung Note at the present rate is not worth.
7. No widget for music player, 1X4 or 1X5 Dual Clock.
8. Touch Pen Problems not addressed
9. For the money its not worth with Bug in EMMC.
Never Never Never Buy Samsung Products. untill they are hit with sales they do not hear the customer Voice. One fine day they will also be like Nokia.
Thanks for looking this post
Goodbye to Samsung Notes.
Say Goodbye to Samsung.
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i don't know...with some custom roms you can fix some of those problems,wifi,the reboots,widgets,touch pen...and with that EMMC bug depends on you if you make wipes on ICS recovery...right now i have on my note Modded Lite AlBa LQ3 Final Stage and it's smooth,stable and fast and i like the size of this phone ...it's a unique phone for the moment

dorinrockeru said:
i don't know...with some custom roms you can fix some of those problems,wifi,the reboots,widgets,touch pen...and with that EMMC bug depends on you if you make wipes on ICS recovery...right now i have on my note Modded Lite AlBa LQ3 Final Stage and it's smooth,stable and fast and i like the size of this phone ...it's a unique phone for the moment
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2 Things that made my Note invincible:
ROM: Kingdroid v3.0
Kernel: Speedmod K3-3
Nuff said.

I'm using my Note for more than half a year, I tried many GB roms stock and custom, all ICS chinease leaks, and now last ICS custom. I never got any of your problems, I did wipe on ALL types of kernels and firmwares for Note. Never got any bricks.
You've just got factory marriage Note. Go to service center and change it for normal. Or maybe you just unskilled noob and deceiving here.
You right only with 5 point. But it's not only with Samsung. Almost all manufactors are the same, they really love money.

mmorabe said:
2 Things that made my Note invincible:
ROM: Kingdroid v3.0
Kernel: Speedmod K3-3
Nuff said.
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i was on kindroid v3.0 and i don't like it,some times was laggy,change the kernel and same thing...change vith cryskelo and same thing,about a week i use Modded Lite AlBa LQ3 Final Stage and its greath:good:

my note is still yet to arrive but from what i've heard there are also issues with echoing (person you are talking to hears their own voice) as well as severe black crush/clipping issues with video playback.

I have zero issues with my note (running RocketROM v7). As a matter a fact my buddy just received his GsIII (at&t) today and after comparing the two very closely the SIII is not much better. He even said that if he could have bought a n7000 through at&t and set it up like mine he would have much rather had the Note. Mine Note is just as fast and smooth as his SIII in every way with better functionality due to the custom rom provided by eybee1970! This is just my experience....
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Dear friends/ Samsung lovers
No doubt there are many phones out with the better features with Bug free. paying few more $$ or euros. So my suggestion is that better go with SGN or HTC one X rather than going to SGN. As Android is an open source, and customization is what Google has given more Importance for which it is at top place compared to the Iphone.
Having bug free phones is what we need to select rather than falling in pit to the buggy phone.
finally its all up to you to take the decision. I hope all will take the better decision. If you think rooting itself an sin or always working on the defective phone then their is no meaning in paying so much to this Phone at least.
Goodbye SamsungNotes.

Never once has my Note hanged in stock rom or custom roms, Its just a amazing feeling to have a note in your hand

prakashraobs said:
Dear Friends,
My suggestion is that Samsung Note is not worth buying,
Reasons being
1. EMMC Bug can is not fixed and still they (Samsung) has not even accepted fully that they have this error. they have not addressed that they will be providing the solution or not. So rooting and customization will be hard for general users.
2. Forget about rooting, Still with the stock rom itself Phone reboots may times without any reasons.
3. Software hangs even with Stock rom and only way is to reboot it manually.
4. Very poor Wifi network, frequently turn off and turn on WIFI without any reason.
5. Samsung do not hear the voice of customer. very bad services.
6. especially in Indian type of consumer market buying Samsung Note at the present rate is not worth.
7. No widget for music player, 1X4 or 1X5 Dual Clock.
8. Touch Pen Problems not addressed
9. For the money its not worth with Bug in EMMC.
Never Never Never Buy Samsung Products. untill they are hit with sales they do not hear the customer Voice. One fine day they will also be like Nokia.
Thanks for looking this post
Goodbye to Samsung Notes.
Say Goodbye to Samsung.
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Hmm...No. The Note is fine. If you don't like it, then you simply don't buy one. Again, to reiterate:
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Pretty sure threads like these are unecessary.

The first thing before I bought the Note was, I borrowed the Note from a friend and put it in my shirt's pocket. The Note cooly sat there. That is it. I bought it.I cant carry a tablet, where ever I go. It is the size of the Note that keeps the members of the Forum together. You can call the Note- a phone, or a tablet or computer or even a Note. It could become a perfect computer, could it accomodate 128Gb sd card. Nothing beats a Note.

Had a note for last 2 months, update to official ICS Rom and i had no problem whatsoever,, except the USB wake lock which is solved easily by rebooting the phone after connecting charger or usb. Working perfectly and i love it.:good:

Nokia has great customer service. They just made some very bad decisions, manufactured hundred phone models that were basically identical and were left behind on smartphone field which basically landed a decisive hit on them. And now with Windows Phone they might just die... don't get me wrong, i love Windows Phone, but sales are not that good, and even though Lumia was the fastest selling Nokia device, they are still in deep crisis. Anyway, wish the best for Nokia, hope they'll recover.
As for the list you provided...ok, with the eMMC bug i agree, but i shouldn't buy Samsung device because there is no music widget ( with literally thousands of free apps on the market ) ? You serious ?
And i don't really care about their customer service... no customer service really cares - good service pretends that they do, but they never did and never will, wake up...

0 issues with my Note, The brickbug is a put off, but theres a fix for it.
you find me an issue that doesnt have a fix and il agree with you !!
you cant open a thread like this and disrespect the Note infront of 1000's of Note users, If you dont like it, thats fine, get something else.
But slating it like you did is really going to put people off wanting to get this phone, The phone is awesome, Development kicks ass.
You probably dont deserve the Note anyway, Theres a million solutions to your problems, surely if you did a bit of research you'd find one.

<3 haters.
I had issues with my Note when I updated with the OTA ICS update. Kept crashing and such, even from a clean Gingerbread. So I reverted back to Gingerbread for the minute until the ICS release matures a little. You will get this with virtually every major new release of the phone FW.
It does not detract from the fact this is a superb phone and I won't change it for anything at the minute.

i suppose every1 has their own likings
so mabbe u meant note isnt worth buying for yourself
bt i think 10 million other ppl dont share th same opinion :cyclops:
its ur choice good luck with tht

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I'm pretty happy with my galaxy note, there were no problems when I was UN rooted with GB. Tried several GB roms, kernels etc after rooting with no problems. Shifted to ICS, with LP1 repack, emmc bug news broke out. Shifted safely to aosp roms without problems. Now using touch wiz based roms and very happy with it.
Excellent battery life.
Non existent lag.
Awesome roms available.
Good developer support.
Basically it's a fine device, learn to do stuff with it after reading on xda. Enjoy your purchase.
Sent from the Awesomus Maximus Galaxy Note

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Sorry Guys This is going to deteriorate in to a flame session. Before that happens.
..........THREAD CLOSED..............

Goophone S5

http://www.goophone.cc/goophone-s5.html
When the S4 was released some people on xda unwittingly bought a clone device. They found it was much slower than the real thing. Hopefully people will be aware of this device
So who's going to get it and tell me the specs?

On androidcarts.com it has sell this goophone s5 and confirm it the goophone s5 will has MTK6592 octa-Core processor and 2G RAM+16g rom.NOT LIke other site said it will has 32G RAM

I bought one and it has 2GB RAM, 16GB ROM (but only 11.3GB available)... 8mp back cam (interpolated 13)... it says Android v4.4.2 but with Antutu x it shows 4.2.1... It's impossible to root, I haven't been able to root for the 3 weeks I've had it and I have tried at least 3 dozen + different methods, programs, hacks, exploits... I can't even get a boot.img, recovery.img or any file out of it using mtkdroidtools and spflash Re: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38337401&postcount=5
I've written the vendor and he says he will get me the root method/sw from the factory but I haven't heard back from him yet
It is a pretty good phone overall, very fast, no lag, works great, decent screen, good wifi, good gps, 3g, full access to playstore, no bloatware, no chinese apps, Antutu is a consistent 27k +/- score... Working IR universal remote... Although I've only tried it on two tv's, it does work. multi-window works but I don't use it, air gesture works but again, don't use it, the only thing that really doesn't work is NFC and related items/hardware, and yet again, I never use these things... I don't even know anyone with a phone with NFC so what's it matter(?)... All original S5 cases and batteries are interchangeable...
I'd give it a 7.5 out of 10 for a clone because I cannot root it
Edit: I bought it on dhg f/ibaby888

Its a shame that people support this chinese fake copy phones.
These companys are stupid thiefs.
They steal the products of other companys and make money with that.
Noone should support thiefs
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Well now... You just let me know as soon as anyone Forces you to buy one...

givesuhe11 said:
I bought one and it has 2GB RAM, 16GB ROM (but only 11.3GB available)... 8mp back cam (interpolated 13)... it says Android v4.4.2 but with Antutu x it shows 4.2.1... It's impossible to root, I haven't been able to root for the 3 weeks I've had it and I have tried at least 3 dozen + different methods, programs, hacks, exploits... I can't even get a boot.img, recovery.img or any file out of it using mtkdroidtools and spflash Re: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38337401&postcount=5
I've written the vendor and he says he will get me the root method/sw from the factory but I haven't heard back from him yet
It is a pretty good phone overall, very fast, no lag, works great, decent screen, good wifi, good gps, 3g, full access to playstore, no bloatware, no chinese apps, Antutu is a consistent 27k +/- score... Working IR universal remote... Although I've only tried it on two tv's, it does work. multi-window works but I don't use it, air gesture works but again, don't use it, the only thing that really doesn't work is NFC and related items/hardware, and yet again, I never use these things... I don't even know anyone with a phone with NFC so what's it matter(?)... All original S5 cases and batteries are interchangeable...
I'd give it a 7.5 out of 10 for a clone because I cannot root it
Edit: I bought it on dhg f/ibaby888
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which version do u exactly havd , mine got rooted easily

max414 said:
which version do u exactly havd , mine got rooted easily
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What did you use to root? I really have tried dozens of ways and programs...
This is the culprit
dhgate dot com/product/octa-core-mtk6592-goophone-s5-1-1-sm-g900/184825442.html
Which Version did you get?

givesuhe11 said:
What did you use to root? I really have tried dozens of ways and programs...
This is the culprit
dhgate dot com/product/octa-core-mtk6592-goophone-s5-1-1-sm-g900/184825442.html
Which Version did you get?
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I'm not sure if I have the same version. .cx mine is devoid of heart sensor and ir remote .. comes with 2gb ram mtk octacore 6592
and 4.2.2 gives 28+ on antutu though it has a lag occasionally that's sad
cx I rooted and deleted some oem apps I didn't need

max414 said:
I'm not sure if I have the same version. .cx mine is devoid of heart sensor and ir remote .. comes with 2gb ram mtk octacore 6592
and 4.2.2 gives 28+ on antutu though it has a lag occasionally that's sad
cx I rooted and deleted some oem apps I didn't need
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ok... But what app or program did you use to root ... could you put up a link to it?

Had one to fool around with, last week. Actually the clone is not that bad, however it is not even close to the feeling you will get using the original. So i recommend to buy the real thing.

atilla88 said:
Its a shame that people support this chinese fake copy phones.
These companys are stupid thiefs.
They steal the products of other companys and make money with that.
Noone should support thiefs
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DP1980 said:
Had one to fool around with, last week. Actually the clone is not that bad, however it is not even close to the feeling you will get using the original. So i recommend to buy the real thing.
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I buy the phone I can afford... I'm not trying to put samsung out of business... Actually buying clones of samsung or any clone will not put them out of business... That's like saying if I don't buy any samsung phone I will put them out of business... I can't buy a samsung phone... it's too expensive for my budget... In my opinion that's what a clone is for...people who can't afford the original... Even samsung saying they are losing money because I buy a clone is false... if I can't afford $700 original I won't spend $700 on samsung, but I can afford a $200 clone, samsung is losing money?? HOW?? Get Real!!... they would not get $700 from me...it's too much for me to spend!! I buy the clone because of the 5.7 inch screen and all the cases and accessories that will fit it... A lot of the features that work on the samsung orig. do not work on the clone so OBVIOUSLY I do not buy the clone because it has all the same features... Do you really think that all of the people that buy a clone for the price would STILL buy a clone if they could afford the $700 samsung phone?? Don't be ridiculous!!
I use a discount carrier too (JoltMobile)... does that mean I'm ripping off AT&T too?? I can't afford AT&T so I spend what I can afford...
Just like I can't afford a samsung so I spend what I can afford... Sure there might be other %.7inch phones that aren't clones but they have no cases or accessories...

atilla88 said:
Its a shame that people support this chinese fake copy phones.
These companys are stupid thiefs.
They steal the products of other companys and make money with that.
Noone should support thiefs
Sent from my Nexus 7 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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Wait. So you're implying that if the people didn't buy a clone device, they would actually shell out 2x more for the real device?
get real.
Tell me how a company like Goophone has any impact at all on a giant like Samsung.
Some people aren't as fortunate as you and that's all they can afford.

I pay for what I like and what I want
And that's all that matters
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max414 said:
I pay for what I like and what I want
And that's all that matters
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Could you please let me know how you rooted your Goophone S5 with MTK6592?
Best regards

paasklaas said:
Could you please let me know how you rooted your Goophone S5 with MTK6592?
Best regards
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For root my goophone s5 i used framaroot.
But i have to ask you something why i can't falsh any zip from recovery?
It says installation aborted

givesuhe11 said:
I bought one and it has 2GB RAM, 16GB ROM (but only 11.3GB available)... 8mp back cam (interpolated 13)... it says Android v4.4.2 but with Antutu x it shows 4.2.1... It's impossible to root, I haven't been able to root for the 3 weeks I've had it and I have tried at least 3 dozen + different methods, programs, hacks, exploits... I can't even get a boot.img, recovery.img or any file out of it using mtkdroidtools and spflash Re: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38337401&postcount=5
I've written the vendor and he says he will get me the root method/sw from the factory but I haven't heard back from him yet
It is a pretty good phone overall, very fast, no lag, works great, decent screen, good wifi, good gps, 3g, full access to playstore, no bloatware, no chinese apps, Antutu is a consistent 27k +/- score... Working IR universal remote... Although I've only tried it on two tv's, it does work. multi-window works but I don't use it, air gesture works but again, don't use it, the only thing that really doesn't work is NFC and related items/hardware, and yet again, I never use these things... I don't even know anyone with a phone with NFC so what's it matter(?)... All original S5 cases and batteries are interchangeable...
I'd give it a 7.5 out of 10 for a clone because I cannot root it
Edit: I bought it on dhg f/ibaby888
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can u post piks of your goophone ?
mine is a bit slow and laggy and was wondering why

For root : i used t100 method
Here on xda
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Anybody having this model of goophone know why is there so much lag ?
And simplest way to get s5 touchwiz ui

Why does OP even create this thread to discuss a phone on a forum that isn`t even a Galaxy S5?
Thread reported as it has no business here imo and let the mods decide.

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Thread Closed - Please see Bought a fake Galaxy S5 Thread already started on the topic
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Before I jump ship I'd like to know...

I'm about to preorder the Z2, but there are some things that I need to know before doing it:
1.Has sony had problems with too cold (blue)/ too warm (yellow) screens?
2. The holes on the left side are for a charging dock, that I know but I don't i'll ever use it, does the phone come with a flap to cover it?
3. Do Z/Z1 have been known to shatter easily? I've always thought having a glass back is a terrible idea, and after havinf the Nexus 4 I promised myself I wouldn't buy a phone with a glass back again, I was always so paranoid, it wasn't fun, I still see Iphones 4/4s and nexus 4 with cracked backs :crying: , I know the Z phones used to come with a screen protector out of the box, but I'm interested in the stories of people who took it off, since the new Z2 does not come with this protector anymore.
4. Can you get rid of that ugly bar with icons when you multitask to put some kind of widgets on the homescreen?
5. Is it true that the corners have been softened? They look identical to me on pictures
6. how long did it take developers to unlock the Z/Z1 bootloader? I'm not planning on flashing roms ever again, but I like having root and couldn't have an android phone without xposed :laugh:
7.Why was the battery life just ok with the z1? It has a 3000 mah but the LG G2 for example lasted quite a bit more with the same battery capacity and so did the Note 3 with a considerably bigger screen
8. No hope for a 32 gb version?
9: Does the phone have qualcom's quickcharge 2.0 like the G2? The LG G2 battery charges in under 2 hours! The Z1 doesn't have it, it takes the phone 3 hours to go from 0% to 100%
Thanks guys :highfive:

Can't answer every question but I'll do my best.
1. The Z1 has had problems with warm screen colors. Actually to an extent that they made an update that brought a screen calibration app to help with the issue.
2. At least my friends Z or my Z1 didn't cover the magnetic charger pins.
3. No, the Z1 has actually been surprisingly durable in drop tests and there doesn't seem to be many complaints of shattered glass. Sony claims that the Z2 will also be shatter resistant even though it doesn't have that ASF (anti shatter film)
4. Not sure what bar you mean but you can add widgets like any other Android device.
5. This is a claim about the lens and even though it may be valid I haven't seen people complain much about this. The problems with the past Xperia phone cameras are with software and processing mostly.
6. Sony gave instructions and tools to unlock the bootloader for everyone and I believe they will continue with this trend - this is basically a non-issue. Unlocking the BL on the Z1 did remove access to some of Sony's proprietary software though such as Bionz which then affected picture processing negatively.
7. The battery life was greatly improved with an early update and is now a lot closer to the LG G2
8. Never seen even one Z1 with 32GB... But they all have micro so slots.
9. The Z1 doesn't have quick charge however I don't know about the Z2.

akselic said:
Can't answer every question but I'll do my best.
1. The Z1 has had problems with warm screen colors. Actually to an extent that they made an update that brought a screen calibration app to help with the issue.
3. No, the Z1 has actually been surprisingly durable in drop tests and there doesn't seem to be many complaints of shattered glass. Sony claims that the Z2 will also be shatter resistant even though it doesn't have that ASF (anti shatter film)
4. Not sure what bar you mean but you can add widgets like any other Android device.
5. This is a claim about the lens and even though it may be valid I haven't seen people complain much about this. The problems with the past Xperia phone cameras are with software and processing mostly.
6. Sony gave instructions and tools to unlock the bootloader for everyone and I believe they will continue with this trend - this is basically a non-issue. Unlocking the BL on the Z1 did remove access to some of Sony's proprietary software though such as Bionz which then affected picture processing negatively.
7. The battery life was greatly improved with an early update and is now a lot closer to the LG G2
8. Never seen even one Z1 with 32GB... But they all have micro so slots.
9. The Z1 doesn't have quick charge however I don't know about the Z2.
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So that's why they created the calibration app, haha I was so naive I thought it was just because they wanted to give the customer some extra tweaking options .
What about scratches?
I meant this bar :
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And I meant the corners of the phone , I've read the corners of the z/z1 dig into the palms of people
And the camera issue with the sides of the picture concern me, I'm thinking its a hardware issue because the z2 samples show the same situation :'( check out the grass on the left and right corners :'(
OK Sony provides with instructions to unlock the bootloader but does it void the warranty?
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Chad_Petree said:
What about scratches?
And I meant the corners of the phone , I've read the corners of the z/z1 dig into the palms of people.
OK Sony provides with instructions to unlock the bootloader but does it void the warranty?
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The ASF is extremely easy to scratch but I haven't heard about people having problems with the actual Dragontrail screen under it and I doupt the ASF-less Z2 will have issues with scratching.
The corners of the phone I guess can be a little rugged but I haven't had an issue with that and they don't dig into my hands. I suppose it's up to people depending on how and where they hold the phone and how large their hands are. The Z2 indeed seems the same corner-wise as the Z1.
And yes, unlocking the bootloader does void warranty as it does with all manufacturers, however at least with the Z1 it could be rooted without unlocking the bootloader. Also it's possible to go back to a factory looking state (unlike Samsungs Knox which will always show 0x1 even if tripped).
Could you please reload the attachments or upload them to flickr/dropbox? I can't see the attachments at all.
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Edit: If the picture quality concerns you then I suggest waiting until you can see more pictures from commercial units. The Z1 has it's issues and due to the same hardware it is entirely possible those will follow to the Z2.

akselic said:
The ASF is extremely easy to scratch but I haven't heard about people having problems with the actual Dragontrail screen under it and I doupt the ASF-less Z2 will have issues with scratching.
The corners of the phone I guess can be a little rugged but I haven't had an issue with that and they don't dig into my hands. I suppose it's up to people depending on how and where they hold the phone and how large their hands are. The Z2 indeed seems the same corner-wise as the Z1.
And yes, unlocking the bootloader does void warranty as it does with all manufacturers, however at least with the Z1 it could be rooted without unlocking the bootloader. Also it's possible to go back to a factory looking state (unlike Samsungs Knox which will always show 0x1 even if tripped).
Could you please reload the attachments or upload them to flickr/dropbox? I can't see the attachments at all.
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Edit: If the picture quality concerns you then I suggest waiting until you can see more pictures from commercial units. The Z1 has it's issues and due to the same hardware it is entirely possible those will follow to the Z2.
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I thought the xperia z1/z2 used gorilla glass 3 , that's interesting .
Yes HTC does that too but a couple of months after the release of the phone ,developers make "s off" and you get to unlock your bootloader without voiding the warranty .
You're right I should wait a bit to read people's opinions, I saw no mention of this issue on reviews :/
I reuploaded the attachments
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Chad_Petree said:
I thought the xperia z1/z2 used gorilla glass 3 , that's interesting .
Yes HTC does that too but a couple of months after the release of the phone ,developers make "s off" and you get to unlock your bootloader without voiding the warranty .
You're right I should wait a bit to read people's opinions, I saw no mention of this issue on reviews :/
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Dragontrail should be just as good as Gorilla Glass - it's just a different product for the same purpose.
I have HTCs One X and to this day it doesn't have S OFF. The grass always seems greener on the other side
That issue you mentioned in pictures, I never saw it in Z1 reviews either. I first bumped into it here at XDA.
And oh THAT bar. It's just for opening up mini apps that work a bit like floating video from Samsung i.e. on top of the system. Widgets are added from the home screen settings as usual.

akselic said:
Dragontrail should be just as good as Gorilla Glass - it's just a different product for the same purpose.
I have HTCs One X and to this day it doesn't have S OFF. The grass always seems greener on the other side
That issue you mentioned in pictures, I never saw it in Z1 reviews either. I first bumped into it here at XDA.
And oh THAT bar. It's just for opening up mini apps that work a bit like floating video from Samsung i.e. on top of the system. Widgets are added from the home screen settings as usual.
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I'm not saying it's bad ,I just thought gorilla glass had a monopoly on the high end .
I didn't know the one x didn't have s off , now I'm confused, s off is basically unlocking the bootloader but without giving HTC your serial code, so you can keep using your warranty, right?
Yes that's the bar I meant, can you get rid of it ? I don't like it
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Chad_Petree said:
I didn't know the one x didn't have s off , now I'm confused, s off is basically unlocking the bootloader but without giving HTC your serial code, so you can keep using your warranty, right?
Yes that's the bar I meant, can you get rid of it ? I don't like it
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No, S OFF is basically access to a certain portion (NAND) of the device which is locked and unwritable when S ON. In a nutshell - read around the internet for more information. But not every HTC phone has S OFF so development on those phones isn't always any better.
And I don't think you can get rid of that bar because it's literally the only way to open those mini apps. You can just ignore it.

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From all the tests I've seen - Dragontrail is not as scratch-resistand as Gorilla Glass, but it's a lot harder, able to bend and survived in most cases where GG shattered during tests.

This thread answered me a lot of questions. I hope I will dive into z2. Currently having HTC desire HD. Only I miss is the IR
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Yep this is an informative thread... Answered many of my queries too!
What are sony's like for flashing ROMS? With my s3 it's very easy - I can download and flash on the go. Is this the case with the z1/z2?
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Yep, I agree that this is a very informative thread. I am also curious about the flashing aspect of the z2 and Sony phones in general. Like the guy above me, I have also nearly flashed my s3 to death. As this will be my first Sony Android phone, are they as easy as my s3 to root and flash? I have been on the other forums and trying to read and see but, it gets all a bit confusing with info here, there and everywhere lol. I have my z2 on pre order so have made the commitment to jump ship already. Will be sad to see my s3 go :crying:. It has been a great phone. Anyway, heres to a great future with an awesome phone

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What are sony's like for flashing ROMS? With my s3 it's very easy - I can download and flash on the go. Is this the case with the z1/z2?
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stress40 said:
I am also curious about the flashing aspect of the z2 and Sony phones in general. Like the guy above me, I have also nearly flashed my s3 to death. As this will be my first Sony Android phone, are they as easy as my s3 to root and flash? I have been on the other forums and trying to read and see but, it gets all a bit confusing with info here, there and everywhere lol.
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Sony gives tools and instructions to unlock the bootloader and flashing isn't too difficult. The process is different from flashing with Samsung though. It even used to be possible to root without unlocking the BL but they have made that harder in later updates at least on the Z1. You need a computer to root and install the recovery but after that flashing can be done rather easily.
You have to be sure to install a recovery and do a backup before unlocking the bootloader or you will lose a partition that holds Sony's proprietary DRM keys forever
(they are unique for each device). These keys hold access to BIONZ and some other tech/software that isn't accessible on unlocked devices.

akselic said:
Sony gives tools and instructions to unlock the bootloader and flashing isn't too difficult. The process is different from flashing with Samsung though. It even used to be possible to root without unlocking the BL but they have made that harder in later updates at least on the Z1. You need a computer to root and install the recovery but after that flashing can be done rather easily.
You have to be sure to install a recovery and do a backup before unlocking the bootloader or you will lose a partition that holds Sony's proprietary DRM keys forever
(they are unique for each device). These keys hold access to BIONZ and some other tech/software that isn't accessible on unlocked devices.
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Thanks man :good: That's the most important bit I was looking for. So, you can install a standard recovery like Phil's touch etc? or have the devs. made one specific for Sony phones? I think I may have to buy a second hand Sony for a bit of practice lol... Anyway, thanks for the reply and info mate

I think one really important thing that the people new to Sony need to know is that when purchasing via a carrier, the carrier can disable the option to unlock the bootloader and there is literally no way around this.
To this date, the devs have still managed to obtain root and recovery on Locked Bootloaders but it has become more and more difficult (I'm not even sure if the latest Z1 or Z1C firmwares have been rooted yet - could someone confirm?), but custom ROMs and Kernels that aren't based on stock can't be done.
To ensure you get a device with an unlockable bootloader, avoid purchasing through a carrier. I'm pre-ordering mine through Clove as they don't sell locked down devices.
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stress40 said:
Thanks man :good: That's the most important bit I was looking for. So, you can install a standard recovery like Phil's touch etc? or have the devs. made one specific for Sony phones?
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Yes, most standard recoveries work including CWM, Philz and TWRP
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I think one really important thing that the people new to Sony need to know is that when purchasing via a carrier, the carrier can disable the option to unlock the bootloader and there is literally no way around this.
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This is true but carriers also do this on other devices, they aren't singling out Sony. Especially American carriers do this.
So my next tip is really a general tip, not just for Sony or Z2:
If you want a phone with development opportunities, get an international edition if possible because they usually don't have locked bootloaders like carrier versions. Secondly be prepared for issues; manufacturers are complicating flashing and giving a hard time after unlocking bootloaders.
- Samsung has Knox (bye bye warranty)
- Sony has proprietary DRM stuff that will be gone after unlocking
- HTC has S ON
Etc.
It seems that gone are the days of fully accessible development unless you get a Nexus or Google Play Edition.

@akselic
Thanks for the rely m8 :good: .
Yeah, I only buy unlocked phones anyway. My days of buying carrier branded phones and being tied to a 2 or 3 year contract are long gone. Just now, I am on a 1 year plan- mainly network access i.e. 3g unlimited with 3000mins for €20 month (calls to any network included) sim only. So, in April I will go and haggle a new LTE one for another year :laugh: . Like most carriers, it is easy to upgrade before end of year.
Let's see what the z2 brings in terms of modification potential. Can't wait

Thanks guys. Few posts above clarifies another set of questions. Actually what is the need for unlocking a boot loader. Because root and recovery and custom roms can be installed even with locked bootloader, it's hard but it can done right? There are custom roms based on stock Sony Rom? Another thing, if google announces z2 google play edition. We still be getting the play edition updates unofficially?
P.S..Am coming from HTC Desire HD. Which has been flashed a zillion times in the past 3 years.
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akselic said:
You have to be sure to install a recovery and do a backup before unlocking the bootloader or you will lose a partition that holds Sony's proprietary DRM keys forever (they are unique for each device). These keys hold access to BIONZ and some other tech/software that isn't accessible on unlocked devices.
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Sounds difficult. Didn't know all that stuff about Sony phones: losing DRM keys, etc.
So what happens after unlocking and rooted? Does this DRM keys and propietary software get lost forever? Then you can't go back to stock Sony rom? Or you can but there are things that won't work?

vicedens2002 said:
Actually what is the need for unlocking a boot loader. Because root and recovery and custom roms can be installed even with locked bootloader, it's hard but it can done right? There are custom roms based on stock Sony Rom? Another thing, if google announces z2 google play edition. We still be getting the play edition updates unofficially?
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No maybe I was being vague, sorry. Rooting and recovery installing was possible without unlocking the bootloader. They made it harder in later upgrades though. You need to unlock the bootloader to be able to install custom roms or kernels.
There are both AOSP based roms and stock based roms for the Z1 and I think the Z also.
I'm not able to answer about Google Play Edition - there never was one for the Z1.
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So what happens after unlocking and rooted? Does this DRM keys and propietary software get lost forever? Then you can't go back to stock Sony rom? Or you can but there are things that won't work?
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If you didn't backup, then yes, the DRM keys are gone for good. You can go back to stock but some things including BIONZ won't work.

If N5 gets root?

If the Note 5 gets permanent root, I will be tempted...will you?

Nope.
Samsung is dead to me until I can simply fastboot an unlocked bootloader.
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Heck no. I have a 200gb micro sd and 8000mah battery. I'll take the more practical N4 any day. I kill bloat with package disabler, so fine with it.

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Nope.
Samsung is dead to me until I can simply fastboot an unlocked bootloader.
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I don't think you are loss to Samsung lol because let's face it people who want root etc.. are maybe just 0.01% lol
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patt2k said:
I don't think you are loss to Samsung lol because let's face it people who want root etc.. are maybe just 0.01% lol
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Until Amazon released their Amazon Underground app, I was having problems with their app store app because it had somehow been corrupted and would not communicate properly with the installed apps and their server. I could not uninstall and reinstall it to fix the problem because Verizon made the Amazon App Store app a system app.
Owning a phone/tablet without root is like owning a PC with no admin rights. I cannot fathom how anyone thinks it's acceptable.

Narsil007 said:
Until Amazon released their Amazon Underground app, I was having problems with their app store app because it had somehow been corrupted and would not communicate properly with the installed apps and their server. I could not uninstall and reinstall it to fix the problem because Verizon made the Amazon App Store app a system app.
Owning a phone/tablet without root is like owning a PC with no admin rights. I cannot fathom how anyone thinks it's acceptable.
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Agreed. A non-rooted phone is totally unacceptable to me too.

No, I won't be tempted. I'm done with Samsung. I've gone without root for nearly a year now, I'm rather over it. Hopefully HTC or Sony come out with a phone I like, otherwise I'm moving to Windows or IOS.

You can go to IOS then jailbreak it then have your phone hacked and basically useless.
Or you can buy the Kickstarter phone called robin. It is completely unlocked.

animal7296 said:
You can go to IOS then jailbreak it then have your phone hacked and basically useless.
Or you can buy the Kickstarter phone called robin. It is completely unlocked.
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If you don't have unlimited data, cloud storage can be a problem. 5.2" display is a bit small for my taste. Once you go to 5.7" it is hard to downsize.

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Agreed. I non-rooted phone is totally unacceptable to me too.
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What about Sony? They are the only ones to match the past couple galaxies on an objective level.

xdasucksballs said:
What about Sony? They are the only ones to match the past couple galaxies on an objective level.
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It's not about physical features. I like to be able to disable certain apps, block ads and there are apps I like that require superuser privileges. I'm crazy about ViPER4Android. It requires root to function. Adfree Android not only blocks ads but it blocks known malicious websites.
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stueycaster said:
It's not about physical features. I like to be able to disable certain apps, block ads and there are apps I like that require superuser privileges. I'm crazy about ViPER4Android. It requires root to function. Adfree Android not only blocks ads but it blocks known malicious websites.
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I got this. I was just suggesting Sony like Z3 or so as some of the best alternatives. Is there just as many root restrictions on the Z3?

xdasucksballs said:
I got this. I was just suggesting Sony like Z3 or so as some of the best alternatives. Is there just as many root restrictions on the Z3?
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I appreciate that. Maybe I'll look into that for my next phone. But there'll be new phones by then. I always use a phone for at least a couple years. In the past 5 years or so I've only had 2 phones before my Note 4. I got it because I liked my Note 2 so much. Also I have extreme need of the stylus. It's going to be pretty hard to give up this phone though. I like it a lot.
Actually I don't know anything about any of the other phones on the market. When I go to get something new I'll study on it. Like I said my Note 2 made me decide on the Note 4 and I didn't even look at anything else.
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stueycaster said:
I appreciate that. Maybe I'll look into that for my next phone. But there'll be new phones by then. I always use a phone for at least a couple years. In the past 5 years or so I've only had 2 phones before my Note 4. I got it because I liked my Note 2 so much. Also I have extreme need of the stylus. It's going to be pretty hard to give up this phone though. I like it a lot.
Actually I don't know anything about any of the other phones on the market. When I go to get something new I'll study on it. Like I said my Note 2 made me decide on the Note 4 and I didn't even look at anything else.
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I'm there with you. My Note 2 was awesome. In fact if I fixed the screen it would still be awesome. And the Note 2 is going to receive official Lollipop.
And the Note 4 is a top device. Only dethroned by the Note5 minus the obvious setbacks.
Objectively speaking nothing tops the Note. I'm still considering the Note5 on and off just because minus the other very important lackings it is indeep the best overall device around.
Objectively it seems only the new Xperias are close. Subjectively however no one thing is perfect for everyone and all phones have very intriguing aspects.

xdasucksballs said:
I'm there with you. My Note 2 was awesome. In fact if I fixed the screen it would still be awesome. And the Note 2 is going to receive official Lollipop.
And the Note 4 is a top device. Only dethroned by the Note5 minus the obvious setbacks.
Objectively speaking nothing tops the Note. I'm still considering the Note5 on and off just because minus the other very important lackings it is indeep the best overall device around.
Objectively it seems only the new Xperias are close. Subjectively however no one thing is perfect for everyone and all phones have very intriguing aspects.
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Yeah I'm sure the Octacore processor, 4 gb ram, enhanced S-pen and the new Note 4 apps make it a joy to use. And the fixed battery isn't that big of a deal. But I use the infra-red constantly. When I'm messing with my phone and the entertainment center needs a change I don't even have to put it down. Also even if it wasn't for the other lost functionality the lack of SD support is a fatal flaw. I won't own a phone that I can't take the card out of and put it in my computer. That's really stupid as far as I'm concerned. If my phone dies I will not lose all of the data I have in it.
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I'm probably going to pick it up regardless of root. But not right away, I like to observe for a couple of months and see if any major issues pop up.
I figure even if it doesn't get root, I'm not losing much since there's never going to be a permanent root solution for this Note 4. I will miss the battery and SD card options, but I can work around them. In exchange, I'll get a faster, smoother device with a MUCH better fingerprint scanner and better pen, and from what I'm hearing, better battery life. Plus it'll probably be upgraded to M waaaaaaaaay belt the Note 4.
So, unless something else grabs my eye, by the end of the year I'll probably pick this up and sell the Note 4 (or give it to a friend/family member).
But, a permanent root solution that doesn't trip Knox and allows Pay to work would be wonderful.

tedkord said:
I'm probably going to pick it up regardless of root. But not right away, I like to observe for a couple of months and see if any major issues pop up.
I figure even if it doesn't get root, I'm not losing much since there's never going to be a permanent root solution for this Note 4. I will miss the battery and SD card options, but I can work around them. In exchange, I'll get a faster, smoother device with a MUCH better fingerprint scanner and better pen, and from what I'm hearing, better battery life. Plus it'll probably be upgraded to M waaaaaaaaay belt the Note 4.
So, unless something else grabs my eye, by the end of the year I'll probably pick this up and sell the Note 4 (or give it to a friend/family member).
But, a permanent root solution that doesn't trip Knox and allows Pay to work would be wonderful.
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By that time there'll probably be a Developer Edition available.
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No way in hell, are you crazzy.....................
Without a replaceable battery I would have to be tethered to a battery charger half the time. I sleep with my Note 4 in my top pocket. I have two spare battery chargers on standby at all times. Back in the day of the Razz Maxx I had to keep two phone and I would move the SIM card to the phone with the fresh battery. The battery charger for the Razz Maxx could not keep up with demand. If you were watching video of security cameras the battery would die even if you were connected to the charger. The Note 5 will probably keep up with demand but I doubt you could effectively charge the battery and watch video at the same time. It would be a sloooooooow charge.
Three other bad things about using the usb connection to charge your phone.
1. Batteries have a longer life span if they or cycled property and slow charged.
2. It's going to cause wear to the usb port that you need primarily to transfer data. I guess You could use wireless charging to avoid that problem.
3. Heat: If you are Fast Cycling the discharge and charging of the Note 5, it is going to produce a lot of HEAT that is bad for batteries. Batteries charge better and live longer when they are charged cool. I keep a air conditioned room on my job site just to charge batteries for my power tools. When I pop a fresh battery into my Note 4 it cools the whole phone down.
All I can say is enjoy your new Note 5 and have fun.

Unless root adds micro sd, I think my days of Samsung devices as ended with the Note 4. Even if all go away from cards, I will not buy another Samsung out of spite.

Elephone P9000 Android N Demo

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#ElephoneP9000 will receive #Android7.0 OTA in mid-November.
A variety of functions will be added on the Elephone P9000 Android 7.0 :
Split-screen multi task,
Quick reply for notification messages,
Notification messages collection
Mobile traffic protection mode, etc.
source : Elephone

Not realy whith soft Touch Button?????
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I think Elephone is going very fast with ROMs for the P9000. For the moment there is no 100% stable and working ROM: not even the stock official one.
So yes, thanks for the effort with porting Nougat, but I hope it is not going to be part of the "almost ready" list.
No offense intended in this post.

Whats with that Gingerbread search bar??? lol

Stylez Ray. said:
Whats with that Gingerbread search bar??? lol
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MTK quick search box app. It's part of MTK's suite of apps but looks disgusting

a list of bug fixes?

Great news!!!! But please, Provide the correct kernel sources.

ELEPHONE P9000 GET ANDROID 7.0 NOUGAT UPDATE OTA IN MID-NOVEMBER KNOW MORE gsemobiles.com/elephone-p9000-get-android-7-0-nougat-update-ota-mid-november/

It seams we really will get it in November.
Honesty I did not believe that in November Elephone will release the Android 7

BlackLodge said:
I think Elephone is going very fast with ROMs for the P9000. For the moment there is no 100% stable and working ROM: not even the stock official one.
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You just summed up my frustrations with this phone. Plenty of projects, none of which are stable.
Side note: I hope they get rid of that terrible bin icon in the task switcher.

andythedev said:
You just summed up my frustrations with this phone. Plenty of projects, none of which are stable.
Side note: I hope they get rid of that terrible bin icon in the task switcher.
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Yep.
I bought this phone because it is powerful and very low price. I was of course aware of the poor ROM support, but I thought at the moment that it was only a matter of time: Elephone said that they were going to release the kernel, and there was that first preliminary port of CM13.
Now not a single ROM works. I am very interested in CM13, but the development is stopped for a time already. I would like to help (I have wide experience in developing, although never with android), but I can't even post in CM13 thread because my account is too young yet. Aaargh.
Well, I guess best strategy for the moment is simply to wait.

and here i was about to start looking into porting the jiayu s3 7.0 build, think ill just wait for the official version
also im not sure what issues people are facing that are that bad with the current CM13 build. ill admit there are a few bugs on mine, HDR photos crash the app, GPS is horribly inaccurate and all over the place despite all attempts to fix it (almost certainly down to the hardware at this point) and the proximity sensor can be a bit dodgy often leading to you pressing buttons with your face while in call, but this may be worse than it really is due to the rather cracked and battered screen protector thats on it. other than that its been a perfectly functional daily driver for me.

andythedev said:
You just summed up my frustrations with this phone. Plenty of projects, none of which are stable.
Side note: I hope they get rid of that terrible bin icon in the task switcher.
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I think the problem is also we, the end user. I'm pretty sure a normal person would never think about buying this phone, most people tend to buy the phones they know by name: Samsung, HTC, LG...Tell someone you know you have an Elephone, they don't know what you mean.
People in this sub forum usually know why they bought the P900 and what they had to expect. Look at the phones I had: I knew this phone couldn't be complete software wise and I bought it in hope that CM13 makes it complete and even if it would work I knew I wouldn't get 100% satisfied. Honestly, I'm surprised how good Deepflex made my experience with his CM13 port but for now in this state of development of all roms (and even stock) it's the confirmation I wanted from the beginning: this phone is cheap for a reason and it will never be as good as 400$+ phones, no matter how many roms the devs will release here and even IF Nougat drops you won't be getting this "full experience" you wanted.

Stylez Ray. said:
I think the problem is also we, the end user. I'm pretty sure a normal person would never think about buying this phone, most people tend to buy the phones they know by name: Samsung, HTC, LG...Tell someone you know you have an Elephone, they don't know what you mean.
People in this sub forum usually know why they bought the P900 and what they had to expect. Look at the phones I had: I knew this phone couldn't be complete software wise and I bought it in hope that CM13 makes it complete and even if it would work I knew I wouldn't get 100% satisfied. Honestly, I'm surprised how good Deepflex made my experience with his CM13 port but for now in this state of development of all roms (and even stock) it's the confirmation I wanted from the beginning: this phone is cheap for a reason and it will never be as good as 400$+ phones, no matter how many roms the devs will release here and even IF Nougat drops you won't be getting this "full experience" you wanted.
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With all due respect, I think it is very unfair to blame the consumer for the failures of this device. It's advertised on Amazon as being "smooth and stable" and that just isn't true.
Elephone have decided to make the priority sales numbers rather than happy customers and it's likely going to result in the failure of the company as their brand develops a bad name.
While the adoption of this device seems to be successful, the failing user experience is what will prevent any possibility of loyal customers. Development malpractices such as releasing a "stable" CM 13 ROM which doesn't detect a large number of working SIM cards is straight up deceitful to customers. I would go as far as to say false advertising is taking place.

BlackLodge said:
Yep.
I bought this phone because it is powerful and very low price. I was of course aware of the poor ROM support, but I thought at the moment that it was only a matter of time: Elephone said that they were going to release the kernel, and there was that first preliminary port of CM13.
Now not a single ROM works. I am very interested in CM13, but the development is stopped for a time already. I would like to help (I have wide experience in developing, although never with android), but I can't even post in CM13 thread because my account is too young yet. Aaargh.
Well, I guess best strategy for the moment is simply to wait.
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The 10 post rule no longer applies I don't think? You should be able to post in the development forum. What error message do you get when trying to post?

I do not have an Elephone (yet?) only experience with other China phone. So bear with me if I talk nonsense.
I thought my Zenfone fo example is not really worse than Samsung and Co. It's just that Samsung is much bigger and developer support much better. So it's actually not Samsung delivering a solution for a problem.
Another issue is the "update" pattern by Google. How can a firmware mature if Google publishes new versions often?

will we get android 7.1?

I disagree with everyone here. The hardware in the P9000 is easily comparable to its Samsung counterpart. At a quarter of the price tag. The trade off? Bad software (easily overcome thanks to Jonny, deepflex, skeleton1911, and others), and bad customer service. Again. Easily overcome. As far as android N, I will wait until cm14 and enjoy beta testing with the 2nd elephone I buy with all the money I saved by not buying a Samsung and risking it exploding in my pocket.

I'm a slightly more normal user - I don't mod phones anymore, and am content to just use them, too much else to do.
But I have to disagree with a lot of the negativity here: My P9000 is a great phone - very rarely crashes, works well and reliably, and has received many ROM updates. The camera is good enough, the GPS works well enough, better in HERE than Google maps, battery could be better, but I get a day out of it, so that's about average. My previous phone was a P8(?), which was rubbish, prior to that I had a Nokia N8, which was great, but I kept killing the camera module and the earpiece through shock and dust damage. I'm hard on on phones, they get dropped and exposed to dust and moisture. The P9000 has taken it all and not even stuttered.
And now it's getting nougat? Well done elephone, better support than a LOT of manufacturers. Do they still make the P9000? If they could sort out Androidpay then I'd consider the phone faultless.
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I have to agree with Wildefalcon.
I am also a "normal" user. I have previously had Star and Zopo phones which were not great and never received any updates.
We must have had 3 or 4 updates so far, with Nougat to come.
After my experience with my previous phones, this is beyond my expectations!
I have found the GPS and camera to be okay and yes, I would like to have Android Pay too.
The one disappointment I have had was with the faulty sim tray which caused the sim cards to log out. Neither the seller nor Elephone were prepared to replace it free of charge and I ended up paying US$10 for a replacement.
Overall, I think for the price, including the additional $10, this is an excellent phone.
I appreciate others may have had problems and perhaps I have just been lucky.