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Hey guys.
I couldn't help but notice that in Antutu benchmark my gpu score was way lower than the stock S4, but also lower then HTC One too!
Some games were lagging too, but i'm not sure if the gpu is to blame here.
Anyway, in one day I tried oc on gpu, oc/uv on cpu, 4 different kernel, 2 TW roms, one GPE rom, CM10.2 rom, and in the end total wipe and flash latest stock rom with Odin.
Nothing worked!Gpu scores were still lower than what they were supposed to be?
Best case scenario my gpu was on par with HTC One, but after oc.
What is wrong with my S4??
Can you give me any advices?
Could the hot climate affect thermal throttling?
(Does the gpu even have thermal throttling?I thought only cpu had thermal throttling on the S4.)
I've attached a screenshot of my scores, take a look at how small the gpu (orange) bar is, compared to HTC One.
EDIT:
I put my device in the freezer for 5 minutes to get rid of the ambient temperature factor and after I tested again, 3d scores were normal.
Can ambient temperature really affect performance so much though?
Anyone, any ideas?
nfsmw_gr said:
Hey guys.
I couldn't help but notice that in Antutu benchmark my gpu score was way lower than the stock S4, but also lower then HTC One too!
Some games were lagging too, but i'm not sure if the gpu is to blame here.
Anyway, in one day I tried oc on gpu, oc/uv on cpu, 4 different kernel, 2 TW roms, one GPE rom, CM10.2 rom, and in the end total wipe and flash latest stock rom with Odin.
Nothing worked!Gpu scores were still lower than what they were supposed to be?
Best case scenario my gpu was on par with HTC One, but after oc.
What is wrong with my S4??
Can you give me any advices?
Could the hot climate affect thermal throttling?
(Does the gpu even have thermal throttling?I thought only cpu had thermal throttling on the S4.)
I've attached a screenshot of my scores, take a look at how small the gpu (orange) bar is, compared to HTC One.
EDIT:
I put my device in the freezer for 5 minutes to get rid of the ambient temperature factor and after I tested again, 3d scores were normal.
Can ambient temperature really affect performance so much though?
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Is this a I9500 or a I9505?
nfsmw_gr said:
Hey guys.
I couldn't help but notice that in Antutu benchmark my gpu score was way lower than the stock S4, but also lower then HTC One too!
Some games were lagging too, but i'm not sure if the gpu is to blame here.
Anyway, in one day I tried oc on gpu, oc/uv on cpu, 4 different kernel, 2 TW roms, one GPE rom, CM10.2 rom, and in the end total wipe and flash latest stock rom with Odin.
Nothing worked!Gpu scores were still lower than what they were supposed to be?
Best case scenario my gpu was on par with HTC One, but after oc.
What is wrong with my S4??
Can you give me any advices?
Could the hot climate affect thermal throttling?
(Does the gpu even have thermal throttling?I thought only cpu had thermal throttling on the S4.)
I've attached a screenshot of my scores, take a look at how small the gpu (orange) bar is, compared to HTC One.
EDIT:
I put my device in the freezer for 5 minutes to get rid of the ambient temperature factor and after I tested again, 3d scores were normal.
Can ambient temperature really affect performance so much though?
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definitely the performance will decrease if the GPU and CPU temperature increases its same like laptops and desktops when u play games on it it becomes hotter and the FPS drops when temperature increases and FPS increases when it temperature decreases
NBruderman said:
Is this a I9500 or a I9505?
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It's an i9505.
ll_r1d0_ll said:
definitely the performance will decrease if the GPU and CPU temperature increases its same like laptops and desktops when u play games on it it becomes hotter and the FPS drops when temperature increases and FPS increases when it temperature decreases
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Well, on with my S3 and my S4 i had these issues, not with any other of my phones or pc's.
Thanks for the answer though. (can't press the button, I've already given my 8 thanks for today)
nfsmw_gr said:
It's an i9505.
Well, on with my S3 and my S4 i had these issues, not with any other of my phones or pc's.
Thanks for the answer though. (can't press the button, I've already given my 8 thanks for today)
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depends on the build quality dude ...well no need to THANK ME its okay
Hello,
The title says all.
I am getting very low benchmark scores.
In geekbench3: 1200 in single core and 2300 in multi core..
AnTuTu: 44506
What i have done to the moto x style:
unlocked bootloader
Installed supersu and xposed.
Factory reset already done.
Performance seems not that bad actually.
But the scores tells me otherwise.
benchmark scores.
see my screenshots about this issue.
bartjeh1991 said:
Hello,
The title says all.
I am getting very low benchmark scores.
In geekbench3: 1200 in single core and 2300 in multi core..
AnTuTu: 44506
What i have done to the moto x style:
unlocked bootloader
Installed supersu and xposed.
Factory reset already done.
Performance seems not that bad actually.
But the scores tells me otherwise.
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If your performance feels good in real world use, why do you need some benchmark to tell you otherwise?
I am on aicp and put xclark kernel to perfromance and got 48k, before i had it on interactive and hotplug on eco performance. No difference felt how device performed.
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bartjeh1991 said:
Hello,
The title says all.
I am getting very low benchmark scores.
In geekbench3: 1200 in single core and 2300 in multi core..
AnTuTu: 44506
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Running CM12.1
AnTuTu 51342
Watch this https://youtu.be/8iMRaIsaFX4?t=4m listen from 4:00-4:30. Hilarious
Sent from my XT1575 using Tapatalk
eyecon82 said:
Watch this https://youtu.be/8iMRaIsaFX4?t=4m listen from 4:00-4:30. Hilarious
Sent from my XT1575 using Tapatalk
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LOOOL
Samsung has indeed lagg
JohnMcW said:
Running CM12.1
AnTuTu 51342
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How stable is the latest CM12.1?
Is it ready for daily use?
bradley26 said:
If your performance feels good in real world use, why do you need some benchmark to tell you otherwise?
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You are absolutely right. I was checking some governor settings. And seemed the governor on the little cores, was not at all optimized. Underclocked now because the speed is decent again
bartjeh1991 said:
LOOOL
Samsung has indeed lagg
How stable is the latest CM12.1?
Is it ready for daily use?
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I have been using it as my daily,
Only one issue that has caused some concerns is that, if you lose the phone signal and you are on gsm,
it switches to cdma and then acts like you don't have a sim card...It can take reboots and hours for it to
return to gsm. However this hasn't happened to me for 5 days now with the newer builds.
My phone hardly ever heats up much with cm12.1...and I DON"T use any processor tweaks.
bartjeh1991 said:
LOOOL
Samsung has indeed lagg
How stable is the latest CM12.1?
Is it ready for daily use?
You are absolutely right. I was checking some governor settings. And seemed the governor on the little cores, was not at all optimized. Underclocked now because the speed is decent again
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that video goes to exactly show you why benchmarks don't mean anything
I hate apple, but Apple definitely got it right by saying it is not always all about "hardware specs" and it's more of a coexisting relationship between the hardware and software that is more important.
Samsung definitely has the superior hardware, but their ****ty TouchWiz screws it all up
Is there any method to completely disable dvfs in snapdragon version Roms, it really kills the performance, for eg. When I run geek bench it will give score of 1060/3400 first time & 2nd time it would be down to 630/1700, I also profiled the frequency, after 2-3min. Of gaming cpu won't go above 1190mhz & gpu will be stuck at 240/300, games lag very badly... in lollipop I used wanam xposed but since it is not working in marshmallow, is their any other way to do so??
RishiChhikkara said:
Is there any method to completely disable dvfs in snapdragon version Roms, it really kills the performance, for eg. When I run geek bench it will give score of 1060/3400 first time & 2nd time it would be down to 630/1700, I also profiled the frequency, after 2-3min. Of gaming cpu won't go above 1190mhz & gpu will be stuck at 240/300, games lag very badly... in lollipop I used wanam xposed but since it is not working in marshmallow, is their any other way to do so??
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Why you think that what is limits the performance is DVFS?
Why it is not the thermal throttling, which is completely unique and exclusively dependent on the kernel?
Rajada said:
Why you think that what is limits the performance is DVFS?
Why it is not the thermal throttling, which is completely unique and exclusively dependent on the kernel?
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Because device is not hot, not hot enough for thermal throttling to kick in, I monitored the temp. as well, it was always around 50, also same thing use to happen when I had lollipop unrooted, after rooting & disabling Dvfs, it was OK..
RishiChhikkara said:
Because device is not hot, not hot enough for thermal throttling to kick in, I monitored the temp. as well, it was always around 50, also same thing use to happen when I had lollipop unrooted, after rooting & disabling Dvfs, it was OK..
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if your device is not hot, why dvfs decrease frequency?
Rajada said:
if your device is not hot, why why devfs decrease frequency?
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As I said "not hot enough" & also I am pretty sure dvfs doesn't need high temperatures like thermal throttling to kick in, dvfs is way too agressive, & also as I said same thing used to happen on lollipop & disabling Dvfs used to resolve it , so I am 100% positive it's happening because of dvfs, again I don't know what Samsung has cooked in, so only they know why dvfs is so aggressivly scaling frequencies. .
and you believe that Samsung has implemented the devfs limiting the phone's performance when it reaches the 50th, and has other security protection managed by the kernel when it reaches 85?
What would be the reason for this dual protection?
I thoroughly tested the DVFS of wanam in lollipop and never found any benefit
It will not only be the DVFS an urban myth?
Rajada said:
and you believe that Samsung has implemented the devfs limiting the phone's performance when it reaches the 50th, and has other security protection managed by the kernel when it reaches 85?
What would be the reason for this dual protection?
I thoroughly tested the DVFS of wanam in lollipop and never found any benefit
It will not only be the DVFS an urban myth?
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Maybe for you, not for me
RishiChhikkara said:
Maybe for you, not for me
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just a curiosity on this subject:
I think I know your point of view about the dvfs. I suppose it's that one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2674928
But, there is more interpretations of DVFS. This one for example. Note the faq in post 2:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/orig-development/tw-kernel-emotroid-team-t2990557
and note the link that is indicated for those who do not know what is the DVFS. This one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_frequency_scaling
very strange, no? reconcile these two views?
Rajada said:
just a curiosity on this subject:
I think I know your point of view about the dvfs. I suppose it's that one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2674928
But, there is more interpretations of DVFS. This one for example. Note the faq in post 2:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/orig-development/tw-kernel-emotroid-team-t2990557
and note the link that is indicated for those who do not know what is the DVFS. This one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_frequency_scaling
very strange, no? reconcile these two views?
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Ok Bro, looks like u know what u are talking about, but let me explain why I think dvfs is culprit in my case, as I said earlier when I had lollipop on device , it still used to be bad for gaming, & after disabling dvfs alone , it used to be better, so it must be dvfs itself, that used to work for me, & also as I said now on marshmallow it is throttling badly while the device isn'the even hot enough, so I can't think of anything else, if you have any suggestions what else might be causing it & what I should do to overcome this, please let me know because I think I have tried everything, but who knows, maybe I am missing something important. .
Use cm13 then, dvfs is a feature of touchwiz
yesteryearisoverhere said:
Use cm13 then, dvfs is a feature of touchwiz
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Yes, I was using that, but I keep jumping b/w cm & Touchwiz, absence of Amoled Cinema display mode i's biggest reason, I tried to tune screen with kcal, but result were nowhere near Amoled cinema
...and it gets me some smoother framerates and around 10k more on antutu. but it could be just difference in how hot was tablet in first and second benchmarks.
i'm on oreo stock, t820 model. tried playing space marshals as it is my favourite game and without tweaks... it was unbearable.
with gpu update that you can find here on xda forums it got better. not ipad level better, but decent. still it seems like samsung didn't even try to optimize this tablet. i have read that it lags but i have no ui lag, just graphics lag an stutter, tearing and so on.
if anyone wants to give it a try just search for adreno 530 gpu update. should be on xiaomi mi mix subforum. there are two releases.
tried both and it seems that r8 gives smoother graphics but r15 does not heat up so quickly
Very interesting, thanks! Unfortunately, that's not a surprise. Samsung makes good hardware but absolutely doesn't care about the software.
And you just downloaded from the OP?
Orbital_Logic said:
And you just downloaded from the OP?
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That s' what he said, from
dvijetrecine said:
...and it gets me some smoother framerates and around 10k more on antutu. but it could be just difference in how hot was tablet in first and second benchmarks.
i'm on oreo stock, t820 model. tried playing space marshals as it is my favourite game and without tweaks... it was unbearable.
with gpu update that you can find here on xda forums it got better. not ipad level better, but decent. still it seems like samsung didn't even try to optimize this tablet. i have read that it lags but i have no ui lag, just graphics lag an stutter, tearing and so on.
if anyone wants to give it a try just search for adreno 530 gpu update. should be on xiaomi mi mix subforum. there are two releases.
tried both and it seems that r8 gives smoother graphics but r15 does not heat up so quickly
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Thanks for that information! It would be nice, if you optimize your thread description a little bit and inlclude a guide to setup our device, because this is a really useful Update for all tab s3 owners.
It would be also nice if you provide us your benchmark results. I attached my antutu results with the new rev 15 driver, with stock driver and with stock driver combined with magisk gpu turbo bo9st module. The new rev15 driver only gave me 120.000 points, the stock one 126.000 and combined with boost module over 142.000. So on my end the new gpu driver seems to be useless...
*update: it seems like there are huge differences in the atuntu results. Yesterday evening i got with the new rev15 driver and magisk gpu boost 112.000 points and today in the morning i tried again and i got over 170.000 points. very strange...
Thanks in advance.
Stogie87 said:
Thanks for that information! It would be nice, if you optimize your thread description a little bit and inlclude a guide to setup our device, because this is a really useful Update for all tab s3 owners.
It would be also nice if you provide us your benchmark results. I attached my antutu results with the new rev 15 driver, with stock driver and with stock driver combined with magisk gpu turbo bo9st module. The new rev15 driver only gave me 120.000 points, the stock one 126.000 and combined with boost module over 142.000. So on my end the new gpu driver seems to be useless...
*update: it seems like there are huge differences in the atuntu results. Yesterday evening i got with the new rev15 driver and magisk gpu boost 112.000 points and today in the morning i tried again and i got over 170.000 points. very strange...
Thanks in advance.
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there is no any special set up. unlock bootloader, install twrp and flash zip that you can find on xiaomi subforums. even somebody posted link in this thread.
the thing with this tablet is that it heats up quickly and throttles like nothing. no wonder you got better score in the morning. i also tried an app called L speed, you can find it on playstore, but it did nothing, just made it worse in my opinion.
this tablet had great potential, but with bad optimisation and cooling... it's apsolute joke. if i could only open it easily to add some copper for better thermal dissipation. and also a modded kernel would help bbut we have none of that
anyone can show a full details on how to install the gpu update? my devices is t825...
KY.Wong said:
anyone can show a full details on how to install the gpu update? my devices is t825...
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That's what i was previously asking for. So this is no real thread with instructions. Just an short information.
You will find the installation instructions here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-mix/development/driver-adreno-530-540-gpu-driver-t3815853
Hello i have a redmi note 7 3/32 model.When i play pubg even on low settings i.e smooth/high it lags very much.Phone heats very much.Tried disabling battery saver for pubg with no restriction but still lags very much.It had sd660 thats the reason bought it but it is really very disappointing.i had tried every combination of graphics settings but its the same.Phone heats after 15 min and then lag starts.
Should i install a custom rom? If yes then which rom will be best for pubg?
Or
Should i downgrade to miui 10 version ?
Please help..
Thanks in advance.
Do you have fps set to high? Change it to med or low.
kennyk09 said:
Do you have fps set to high? Change it to med or low.
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Thanks for reply
But sd660 can handle high fps in pubg.I have seen other mobile ex.Asus max pro m2.which can handle pubg very smoothly.Cant find what the real issue is
ChandrakantBelell said:
Thanks for reply
But sd660 can handle high fps in pubg.I have seen other mobile ex.Asus max pro m2.which can handle pubg very smoothly.Cant find what the real issue is
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Can handle high fps, yes.
Can still create much heat and use much battery, also yes. Thus lower fps to keep it less warm. Try it yourself and see the difference.
Add all unnecessary apps/games in memory exceptions within game booster app. Also disable ingame shortcut and enable bandwidth priority.
In pubg I have fps set to high and graphic to smooth.
I find these settings work the best on my phone for game performance and less heat too.
kennyk09 said:
enable bandwidth priority.
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How to do this btw?
Inside game speed booster settings.
And of course you need to add pubg to this app too.
I set pubg to restrict battery in MIUI setting FYI. It has no effect on game play.
kennyk09 said:
Inside game speed booster settings.
And of course you need to add pubg to this app too.
I set pubg to restrict battery in MIUI setting FYI. It has no effect on game play.
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I had done everything but still it lags when played even on smooth and low/medium settings.
Try running a few benchmarks to see if everything is right, like Antutu, 3dmark etc and compare the scores to others RN7.
If not, try resetting your phone.
yeah mine too , i can play pubg on my mi max 3 with no laggs in the same setting but with this redmi note 7 will laggs from time to times , it supposed to be better than sd636 in my mi max 3.
Gonime said:
Try running a few benchmarks to see if everything is right, like Antutu, 3dmark etc and compare the scores to others RN7.
If not, try resetting your phone.
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All the benchmark scores seems to be normal.Will reset today hope will get better performance
Thanks for reply
I have try antutu benchmark and the result is very far from ranking redmi note 7 list at there. My device at 51. How to raise up the performance?
ChandrakantBelell said:
All the benchmark scores seems to be normal.Will reset today hope will get better performance
Thanks for reply
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Reset will do almost nothing. It does only in short term. Longterm it will lags again. Just like you reboot ur phone and cleaning cache, etc...
The main cause is, miui thermal and stock kernel restirct cpu frequency too 'agressively'. When our device start to heat, thermal will restrict -half of- our cpu to only use max freq for bigcluster 1,7Ghz & littlecluster 1,4Ghz and downclock soo oftenly. So, lags will occurs.
Reason behind is good actually to "save" the phone and decrease heat. But, when it comes for gaming (my opinion) Its NO USE at all. It Just ruins the gameplay.
Sad thing..., xiaomi like do nothin :'( its been a couple stable update and they are doing nothing to provide best gaming experience at least.
GueztStar said:
Reset will do almost nothing. It does only in short term. Longterm it will lags again. Just like you reboot ur phone and cleaning cache, etc...
The main cause is, miui thermal and stock kernel restirct cpu frequency too 'agressively'. When our device start to heat, thermal will restrict -half of- our cpu to only use max freq for bigcluster 1,7Ghz & littlecluster 1,4Ghz and downclock soo oftenly. So, lags will occurs.
Reason behind is good actually to "save" the phone and decrease heat. But, when it comes for gaming (my opinion) Its NO USE at all. It Just ruins the gameplay.
Sad thing..., xiaomi like do nothin :'( its been a couple stable update and they are doing nothing to provide best gaming experience at least.
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Yes you are right after reset again it starts to lag.
Can't we do anything for this mini thermal throttle?
I mean can we root and go for a custom rom Or anything like that to improve performance? I don't want any battery saver stuff.. Just want lag free gaming
ChandrakantBelell said:
Yes you are right after reset again it starts to lag.
Can't we do anything for this mini thermal throttle?
I mean can we root and go for a custom rom Or anything like that to improve performance? I don't want any battery saver stuff.. Just want lag free gaming
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Root method? Of course yes.
Flash recovery Orangefox R10 > Flash Magisk Root > Flash Thermal-Config Mod (its a magisk module) > Flash Custom Kernel (if you want, i recommend genom or evira). Done.
Now you will get best perfomance of our device should have.
*thermal-engine mod will disable cpu restriction
**custom kernel will increase battery and perfomance
You can go to custom rom too, it'll give you more :v
Head over development rom thread..
GueztStar said:
Reset will do almost nothing. It does only in short term. Longterm it will lags again. Just like you reboot ur phone and cleaning cache, etc...
The main cause is, miui thermal and stock kernel restirct cpu frequency too 'agressively'. When our device start to heat, thermal will restrict -half of- our cpu to only use max freq for bigcluster 1,7Ghz & littlecluster 1,4Ghz and downclock soo oftenly. So, lags will occurs.
Reason behind is good actually to "save" the phone and decrease heat. But, when it comes for gaming (my opinion) Its NO USE at all. It Just ruins the gameplay.
Sad thing..., xiaomi like do nothin :'( its been a couple stable update and they are doing nothing to provide best gaming experience at least.
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What if we disable MIUI optimization? Will it remove the restriction? Or the only choices are thermal mod?
Fritzkier said:
What if we disable MIUI optimization? Will it remove the restriction? Or the only choices are thermal mod?
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Disabling MIUI optimization will not remove kernel restrictions, you're better off flashing another kernel or using a thermal mod as recommended before.
GueztStar said:
Root method? Of course yes.
Flash recovery Orangefox R10 > Flash Magisk Root > Flash Thermal-Config Mod (its a magisk module) > Flash Custom Kernel (if you want, i recommend genom or evira). Done.
Now you will get best perfomance of our device should have.
*thermal-engine mod will disable cpu restriction
**custom kernel will increase battery and perfomance
You can go to custom rom too, it'll give you more :v
Head over development rom thread..
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Thankyou very much for the reply.I will definitely root my note 7 and install everything you said.Can you share the link of thermal-config mod? and evira kernal? please that would be very helpful .
ChandrakantBelell said:
Thankyou very much for the reply.I will definitely root my note 7 and install everything you said.Can you share the link of thermal-config mod? and evira kernal? please that would be very helpful .
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/re.../official-orangefox-recovery-project-t3941822
https://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-7/development/evira-kernel-redminote-7-t3919265
Coudn't find the thermal-mod link, maybe it has to do with editing the kernel.
Gonime said:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/re.../official-orangefox-recovery-project-t3941822
https://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-7/development/evira-kernel-redminote-7-t3919265
Coudn't find the thermal-mod link, maybe it has to do with editing the kernel.
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yes i also didnt find the thermal-mod link
but thanku very much for the help