Hey guys.
I couldn't help but notice that in Antutu benchmark my gpu score was way lower than the stock S4, but also lower then HTC One too!
Some games were lagging too, but i'm not sure if the gpu is to blame here.
Anyway, in one day I tried oc on gpu, oc/uv on cpu, 4 different kernel, 2 TW roms, one GPE rom, CM10.2 rom, and in the end total wipe and flash latest stock rom with Odin.
Nothing worked!Gpu scores were still lower than what they were supposed to be?
Best case scenario my gpu was on par with HTC One, but after oc.
What is wrong with my S4??
Can you give me any advices?
Could the hot climate affect thermal throttling?
(Does the gpu even have thermal throttling?I thought only cpu had thermal throttling on the S4.)
I've attached a screenshot of my scores, take a look at how small the gpu (orange) bar is, compared to HTC One.
EDIT:
I put my device in the freezer for 5 minutes to get rid of the ambient temperature factor and after I tested again, 3d scores were normal.
Can ambient temperature really affect performance so much though?
Anyone, any ideas?
nfsmw_gr said:
Hey guys.
I couldn't help but notice that in Antutu benchmark my gpu score was way lower than the stock S4, but also lower then HTC One too!
Some games were lagging too, but i'm not sure if the gpu is to blame here.
Anyway, in one day I tried oc on gpu, oc/uv on cpu, 4 different kernel, 2 TW roms, one GPE rom, CM10.2 rom, and in the end total wipe and flash latest stock rom with Odin.
Nothing worked!Gpu scores were still lower than what they were supposed to be?
Best case scenario my gpu was on par with HTC One, but after oc.
What is wrong with my S4??
Can you give me any advices?
Could the hot climate affect thermal throttling?
(Does the gpu even have thermal throttling?I thought only cpu had thermal throttling on the S4.)
I've attached a screenshot of my scores, take a look at how small the gpu (orange) bar is, compared to HTC One.
EDIT:
I put my device in the freezer for 5 minutes to get rid of the ambient temperature factor and after I tested again, 3d scores were normal.
Can ambient temperature really affect performance so much though?
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Is this a I9500 or a I9505?
nfsmw_gr said:
Hey guys.
I couldn't help but notice that in Antutu benchmark my gpu score was way lower than the stock S4, but also lower then HTC One too!
Some games were lagging too, but i'm not sure if the gpu is to blame here.
Anyway, in one day I tried oc on gpu, oc/uv on cpu, 4 different kernel, 2 TW roms, one GPE rom, CM10.2 rom, and in the end total wipe and flash latest stock rom with Odin.
Nothing worked!Gpu scores were still lower than what they were supposed to be?
Best case scenario my gpu was on par with HTC One, but after oc.
What is wrong with my S4??
Can you give me any advices?
Could the hot climate affect thermal throttling?
(Does the gpu even have thermal throttling?I thought only cpu had thermal throttling on the S4.)
I've attached a screenshot of my scores, take a look at how small the gpu (orange) bar is, compared to HTC One.
EDIT:
I put my device in the freezer for 5 minutes to get rid of the ambient temperature factor and after I tested again, 3d scores were normal.
Can ambient temperature really affect performance so much though?
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definitely the performance will decrease if the GPU and CPU temperature increases its same like laptops and desktops when u play games on it it becomes hotter and the FPS drops when temperature increases and FPS increases when it temperature decreases
NBruderman said:
Is this a I9500 or a I9505?
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It's an i9505.
ll_r1d0_ll said:
definitely the performance will decrease if the GPU and CPU temperature increases its same like laptops and desktops when u play games on it it becomes hotter and the FPS drops when temperature increases and FPS increases when it temperature decreases
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Well, on with my S3 and my S4 i had these issues, not with any other of my phones or pc's.
Thanks for the answer though. (can't press the button, I've already given my 8 thanks for today)
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It's an i9505.
Well, on with my S3 and my S4 i had these issues, not with any other of my phones or pc's.
Thanks for the answer though. (can't press the button, I've already given my 8 thanks for today)
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depends on the build quality dude ...well no need to THANK ME its okay
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Hey everyone...I tell ya, I sure am enjoying all these awesome custom roms and kernels. Great job to all the developers here, putting in the blood, sweat, and tears for the advancement of the community, thank you so much. One feature that I saw in a Xoom build was the GPU overclocked, and while I'm sure it won't interest everyone, and there is probably only little gain to be had from it, I would love to have the option to oc the CPU and the GPU for the highest performance possible...please. Well I think that covers it unless someone else shares my desire to see this feature. Thanks for all your work and consideration XDA and have a great day.
if ur CPU OC than GPU too
Apparently not so on the Motorola Xoom as there are two versions of Tiamat 1.4.4... with and without GPU OC. Tiamat 1.4.4 Full Throttle
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Apparently not so on the Motorola Xoom as there are two versions of Tiamat 1.4.4... with and without GPU OC. Tiamat 1.4.4 Full Throttle
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oc-ing the gpu doesnt get you anything... gpu is default 200mhz 2d with 300mhz in 3d and it can be uped to 250mhz 2d and 400mhz 3d but it cant be software controlled and it will eat more power...
and no oc-ing the cpu doesn't oc the gpu, its a separate part of the tegra2 processor
Hey Thor, thanks for joining the conversation. Based on what youve seen so far, how well are the tegra GPU cores being utilized? Suffice to say I've pulled off insane desktop GPU overclocks that showed almost nill gain with drivers that werent mature in which the GPU cores werent being loaded past 50% . I realize that the tegra is a horse of a different color, but isnt it still affected by the specific driver optimizations, hence the THD enhancements? Just out of curiosity as I very much trust your experience. I am still interested in trying it with definitive comparisons to follow...well about as definitive as synthetic benchmarks can be anyway.
I just saw that you have a new beta... Yay. I cant wait to give it a whirl.
I have been over locked for a little while. Max I have done is 1506 but it tends to be slightly unstable. I run 1400 now and haven't had any issues. biggest difference I notice is home screen transitions load fast and don't lag and programs load much quicker. there doesnt seem to be any games that will push the CPU hard so I don't notice much of a difference there.
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I have been over locked for a little while. Max I have done is 1506 but it tends to be slightly unstable. I run 1400 now and haven't had any issues. biggest difference I notice is home screen transitions load fast and don't lag and programs load much quicker. there doesnt seem to be any games that will push the CPU hard so I don't notice much of a difference there.
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I've had 1600mhz going strong with no instability, benchmark after benchmark, the only issue I've had is the device shutting down when left alone for too long, but I consider that a useful standard function. Otherwise 1600 performance has been rock solid. I decided to take it upon myself to take this girl apart' clean the CPU off, remove the thermal pad, and apply some as5....though the chip didnt really run very hot to begin with. Now until I have the option to go for 1800mhz, I'd like to see where the max threshold is for cpu/gpu oc.
I have mine overclocked also at 1600.. Runs very stable at this speed and benchmarks not too bad:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/20/device20110712225412.png/
I have had higher speeds, but very unstable...
thor2002ro said:
oc-ing the gpu doesnt get you anything... gpu is default 200mhz 2d with 300mhz in 3d and it can be uped to 250mhz 2d and 400mhz 3d but it cant be software controlled and it will eat more power...
and no oc-ing the cpu doesn't oc the gpu, its a separate part of the tegra2 processor
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Can only the 3D Clocks be altered without touching 2D? If yes can you make such a version of the ........... that "nobody" knows anything about?
Trinnity66 said:
I have mine overclocked also at 1600.. Runs very stable at this speed and benchmarks not too bad:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/20/device20110712225412.png/
I have had higher speeds, but very unstable...
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Very nice quadrant score man, I used to score alot higher until I updated to stock 3.1+ updates. It seems like the higher my OS version number gets, the lower my synthetic performance gets overall.
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I've had 1600mhz going strong with no instability, benchmark after benchmark, the only issue I've had is the device shutting down when left alone for too long, but I consider that a useful standard function. Otherwise 1600 performance has been rock solid. I decided to take it upon myself to take this girl apart' clean the CPU off, remove the thermal pad, and apply some as5....though the chip didnt really run very hot to begin with. Now until I have the option to go for 1800mhz, I'd like to see where the max threshold is for cpu/gpu oc.
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that's what mine did. it would reboot while sleeping. sometimes it would be 3 or 4 times in an hour.
Trinnity66 said:
I have mine overclocked also at 1600.. Runs very stable at this speed and benchmarks not too bad:
I have had higher speeds, but very unstable...
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Wow!
Umm, what rom do you guys run for this? I'm on rooted and CWMd stock 3.1 rom. Can't find a OC kernel for it. Only one I can find is for ASUS based roms. I prefer to keep stock rom if it's possible.
ME: Asus A500 Iconia USA wifi only. HC 3.1
nexgenasian said:
Wow!
Umm, what rom do you guys run for this? I'm on rooted and CWMd stock 3.1 rom. Can't find a OC kernel for it. Only one I can find is for ASUS based roms. I prefer to keep stock rom if it's possible.
ME: Asus A500 Iconia USA wifi only. HC 3.1
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You should try richardtrip's kernel. His kernel is keep updating Very good performance and stability.
thats the kernel i am using o/c 1400 works very well. you can find it in the development thread.
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You should try richardtrip's kernel. His kernel is keep updating Very good performance and stability.
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Thanks! Works great. Do you feel the HoneyVillian rom runs faster with the v2.4 Kernel or about the same as stock Acer 3.1 HC rom with v2.4 Kernel?
So far I can keep stable at 1.5 after 2 hours of use. It's also slept for 30 mins and seems ok at that too.
Also what kind of Scaling do you guys use? Ondeman, Interactive? On my phone I use ondemand.
Hey!
My question is actually in the thread.. My brand new nexus 10 seems to be lagging in playing 3d games. That's why I was wondering if I could overclcock the house a bit to make the whole thing smoother Thanks a lot!
mathieulondon said:
Hey!
My question is actually in the thread.. My brand new nexus 10 seems to be lagging in playing 3d games. That's why I was wondering if I could overclcock the house a bit to make the whole thing smoother Thanks a lot!
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It's lagging due to thermal throttling not GPU speed overclocking may make it worse
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But the tablet is not even getting hot! Just a bit in the back but nothing compared to my gs3... Still do you know how to?
mathieulondon said:
But the tablet is not even getting hot! Just a bit in the back but nothing compared to my gs3... Still do you know how to?
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I don't own one but there are kernels that do it, look in development section
PS if I remember right I think the thermal throttle point is kinda low on the nexus 10
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Overclocking isn't going to help. Try it if you want but you're just going to end up with more lag.
You need to underclock the CPU, undervolt the CPU and GPU, and also slightly raise the thermal throttle temperature to about 90 (from the stock 80).
404 ERROR said:
Overclocking isn't going to help. Try it if you want but you're just going to end up with more lag.
You need to underclock the CPU, undervolt the CPU and GPU, and also slightly raise the thermal throttle temperature to about 90 (from the stock 80).
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OK, I'm gonna try that under clock to 1500?1600? And a - 50mv is fine?
mathieulondon said:
OK, I'm gonna try that under clock to 1500?1600? And a - 50mv is fine?
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Try to under volt as much as you can and I find even 1.2ghz more than sufficient. 1.5ghz might make you throttle.
This Exynos chip is a serious powerhouse.
404 ERROR said:
Overclocking isn't going to help. Try it if you want but you're just going to end up with more lag.
You need to underclock the CPU, undervolt the CPU and GPU, and also slightly raise the thermal throttle temperature to about 90 (from the stock 80).
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Told ya
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Ok so I've been tweaking my phone, doing everything in my knowledge to make it faster. I am using the stock rom with faux123 mako jb enhanced stock 422-r2. So my first benchmark on Antutu i got 18003. re-ran the same benchmark again with the same tweaks and got 14206 and thought it was anomaly so i ran it one more time and got 16142. I went back and re tweaked everything and my scores were every were, even in quadrant. the ranges were between 14200-16800. I haven't been able to get it back to 18003, maybe because i did it on a cold boob. but, the scores shouldn't be all over the place compared to benchmarking I've done on other phones. Any ideas on this and or fix it?
Your phone is throttling. Your first benchmark will normally be your fastest. I that's how it was for me anyways.
I've also had the same experience. It is certainly due to throttling.
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Welcome to thermal throttling. I recommend a ROM with the Bionic patches (there is an otherwise 'stock' AOSP ROM with these in the dev section, I'm not a stock ROM user so I haven't any experience with it) and you should notice AnTuTu scores going up to 20k+ and a noticeable boost to actual usage. If your device will under volt well (most will do at least -100mV AFAIK) you may mitigate the throttling to some extent without compromising stability however I don't recommend disabling the thermal protection as is possible in some kernels due to the red light death issue. Throttling is only really noticeable when you benchmark back-to-back. It's not a massive issue in most real-world use. I suspect it will become more and more noticeable on newer devices as device manufacturers and SoC designers are forever scrambling to provide the best performance within the thermal constraints of a smartphone. As idle and low load consumption goes down with new processes, full load GPU and CPU thermals are forever increasing!
PA tweak improves benchmarks
I have to agree with you on this. The stock gave me an score of 17K (antutu). stability curve was all over the place in stock. switching to PA did not help much either, the scored went down to around 14K. yesterday i got an update from PA and flashing that gave me a boost of 18991. some good tweaks from PA i guess.
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Ok so I've been tweaking my phone, doing everything in my knowledge to make it faster. I am using the stock rom with faux123 mako jb enhanced stock 422-r2. So my first benchmark on Antutu i got 18003. re-ran the same benchmark again with the same tweaks and got 14206 and thought it was anomaly so i ran it one more time and got 16142. I went back and re tweaked everything and my scores were every were, even in quadrant. the ranges were between 14200-16800. I haven't been able to get it back to 18003, maybe because i did it on a cold boob. but, the scores shouldn't be all over the place compared to benchmarking I've done on other phones. Any ideas on this and or fix it?
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Lmao cold boob!
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MrKickstand said:
Ok so I've been tweaking my phone, doing everything in my knowledge to make it faster.
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You are making faster a device which already is one of the FASTEST devices on this planet?
maybe because i did it on a cold boob
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LOL:laugh:
See if it's a governor problem, set it to performance and see if it levels out. GPU scores on antutu vary by @ 1000 marks, so take that into account too.
Hey XDA friends,
I was testing my One today with some intense gaming and benchmarking. I noticed that Real Racing 3 was slowing down after some time of gaming. So I ran Antutu before and after my gaming session. My score before: 24567, my score after 20 minutes of Real Racing 3: 19945 !
Especially the GPU score was significantly lower in the second test. It seems that the One is throttling speed when reaching defined temperatures. There is a thermald.conf in /system/etc , but impossible for me to read out. A modified thermald.conf or a custom kernel should sort that out!
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Hey XDA friends,
I was testing my One today with some intense gaming and benchmarking. I noticed that Real Racing 3 was slowing down after some time of gaming. So I ran Antutu before and after my gaming session. My score before: 24567, my score after 20 minutes of Real Racing 3: 19945 !
Especially the GPU score was significantly lower in the second test. It seems that the One is throttling speed when reaching defined temperatures. There is a thermald.conf in /system/etc , but impossible for me to read out. A modified thermald.conf or a custom kernel should sort that out!
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Mh.. we had a guys that ran a lot of taiji basemark runs (loop) and had no problem with throttling. Maybe Taiji is gpu only and real racing 2 needs gpu and cpu a lot. A bit worrying though.
Thermal throttling really is a big problem for S4 Pro. So S600 has to suffer it also, although HTC made a very thin copper cover inside for reducing the heat.
shox22 said:
Mh.. we had a guys that ran a lot of taiji basemark runs (loop) and had no problem with throttling. Maybe Taiji is gpu only and real racing 2 needs gpu and cpu a lot. A bit worrying though.
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GPU tests don't make a significant stress on the system. The thermal throttling happens mostly when both CPU and GPU reaching the limit.
That's too bad... :-/
My Nexus 4 really suffered from thermal throttling, too. But a custom kernel by Franco with lowered voltages and a newly written thermal handling routine sorted that out, the SoC didn't become too hot and didn't throttle at all!
Can someone try running Stability Test (cpu+gpu test) to see at what temperature is throtled?
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread
May be an isolated issue and not with all devices?
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Hey XDA friends,
I was testing my One today with some intense gaming and benchmarking. I noticed that Real Racing 3 was slowing down after some time of gaming. So I ran Antutu before and after my gaming session. My score before: 24567, my score after 20 minutes of Real Racing 3: 19945 !
Especially the GPU score was significantly lower in the second test. It seems that the One is throttling speed when reaching defined temperatures. There is a thermald.conf in /system/etc , but impossible for me to read out. A modified thermald.conf or a custom kernel should sort that out!
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I can hardly believe that this is an isolated issue! I'm pretty sure that the S600 has the same temperature handling routines as the S4 Pro. The presence of a thermald.conf in /system/etc/ shows that there are defined parameters for SoC throttling to protect the device.
If you're willing to test that, just give Real Racing 3 a go for about 30 minutes and run Antutu directly afterwards. Or run stability test for longer periods of time.
If this is the case, you would have thought Qualcomm would have at least attempted to sort out the thermal issue as seen in some S4 Pro handsets!.
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I can hardly believe that this is an isolated issue! I'm pretty sure that the S600 has the same temperature handling routines as the S4 Pro. The presence of a thermald.conf in /system/etc/ shows that there are defined parameters for SoC throttling to protect the device.
If you're willing to test that, just give Real Racing 3 a go for about 30 minutes and run Antutu directly afterwards. Or run stability test for longer periods of time.
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I did what did you ask there is not really difference in Antutu result, before and after, both above 22K.
I played around 25 minutes of RR3
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@MrKaon
Are you on some custom ROM?
No m8 Stock
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No m8 Stock
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Thanks, that and your signature were very helpful! My stock firmware was from O2 Germany which is reportedly older than the most recent stock EU firmware. I flashed mike's Revolution ROM right now which has a newer firmware base and possibly a newer kernel. Thermal throttling doesn't happen on Revolution HD!
more2come said:
Thanks, that and your signature were very helpful! My stock firmware was from O2 Germany which is reportedly older than the most recent stock EU firmware. I flashed mike's Revolution ROM right now which has a newer firmware base and possibly a newer kernel. Thermal throttling doesn't happen on Revolution HD!
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Well that's reckless and dangerous.
There is thermal throttling for a reason, and it's set very aggressively for a reason.
Hunt3r.j2 said:
Well that's reckless and dangerous.
There is thermal throttling for a reason, and it's set very aggressively for a reason.
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Thermal throttling didnt steped in - but that doesnt mean that thermal throlltling isnt there. The change could come from the update to 1.28 (new driver for example). The same happened on the one x last year. There was an update that significantly reduced heat.
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Thermal throttling didnt steped in - but that doesnt mean that thermal throlltling isnt there. The change could come from the update to 1.28 (new driver for example). The same happened on the one x last year. There was an update that significantly reduced heat.
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It gets a little less hot on the backside with the newer firmware base, I can confirm that.
it gets hot, it throttles. it's a safety measure. why do u complain?
so u want your phone to breach the heat threshold then the chip dies and then u're gonna say htc one sucks becoz components die?
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it gets hot, it throttles. it's a safety measure. why do u complain?
so u want your phone to breach the heat threshold then the chip dies and then u're gonna say htc one sucks becoz components die?
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Of course it's a safety measure, but in my opinion a smartphone shouldn't throttle due to normal usage. If the circumstances are abnormal (very hot summer temperatures, for example), throttling is okay and I'd welcome that to protect my valuable HTC. But while playing a game?
But there's no further reason for me to complain, because the newest firmware runs cool enough without throttling.
so in the latest firmware its not throttling? can you add this info to your OP?
What is the latest firmware? Is there a published changelog and do I need to go back to stock to get at it?
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What is the latest firmware? Is there a published changelog and do I need to go back to stock to get at it?
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Hi,
I don't know if these benchmark applications are valid, but I downloaded AnTuTu Benchmark and messed around with my CPU frequency. At first, I maxed out the core clock speed to 1.3 GHz. Next, I set the maximum clock speed to 475 MHz. When I set it to 475 MHz, I get a better CPU score.
Something does not seem right. Any thoughts?
...and now you know why folks don't trust benchmarks.
There is a thermal CPU control. By overclocking, you are overheating, and it's underclocking to prevent itself overheating...
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There is a thermal CPU control. By overclocking, you are overheating, and it's underclocking to prevent itself overheating...
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That was funny to read.
By overclocking, your in fact under clocking or so it seems.
Yes that can happen. If it gets too hot it will probably start throttling each core back which gives worse and worse scores.
Right now I have mine up at 1600Mhz and I get better scores than 1300Mhz but as well I'm running nearly the same voltages that 1300Mhz is.
Nice!
Interesting guys,
I guess I'll just leave it at default settings
Too bad I can't root my device .......
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Interesting guys,
I guess I'll just leave it at default settings
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I made a bunch of (repeated) measurements with a CM10.1 nightly kernel (at various Fmax settings) and the results were quite squirrelly. When I get a little time, I'll make some more tests and post up the data.
BTW - if you were using TricksterMod are you sure you actually applied the changes? You didn't provide any numbers (your results) and it is not uncommon for Antutu to produce 10% different results in that benchmark from run to run (and much much worse at different Fmax values!!) - so is it possible you just mistook a random variation for a "change for the worse"?
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I made a bunch of (repeated) measurements with a CM10.1 nightly kernel (at various Fmax settings) and the results were quite squirrelly. When I get a little time, I'll make some more tests and post up the data.
BTW - if you were using TricksterMod are you sure you actually applied the changes? You didn't provide any numbers (your results) and it is not uncommon for Antutu to produce 10% different results in that benchmark from run to run (and much much worse at different Fmax values!!) - so is it possible you just mistook a random variation for a "change for the worse"?
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Yeah would have to agree here. Between voltage and clocks you can really affect any benchmark score. I knits I've been playing with it. Though a swing of 10% in AuTutu is pretty big. I've had maybe a few hundred points at most.
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