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Hey XDA friends,
I was testing my One today with some intense gaming and benchmarking. I noticed that Real Racing 3 was slowing down after some time of gaming. So I ran Antutu before and after my gaming session. My score before: 24567, my score after 20 minutes of Real Racing 3: 19945 !
Especially the GPU score was significantly lower in the second test. It seems that the One is throttling speed when reaching defined temperatures. There is a thermald.conf in /system/etc , but impossible for me to read out. A modified thermald.conf or a custom kernel should sort that out!
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Hey XDA friends,
I was testing my One today with some intense gaming and benchmarking. I noticed that Real Racing 3 was slowing down after some time of gaming. So I ran Antutu before and after my gaming session. My score before: 24567, my score after 20 minutes of Real Racing 3: 19945 !
Especially the GPU score was significantly lower in the second test. It seems that the One is throttling speed when reaching defined temperatures. There is a thermald.conf in /system/etc , but impossible for me to read out. A modified thermald.conf or a custom kernel should sort that out!
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Mh.. we had a guys that ran a lot of taiji basemark runs (loop) and had no problem with throttling. Maybe Taiji is gpu only and real racing 2 needs gpu and cpu a lot. A bit worrying though.
Thermal throttling really is a big problem for S4 Pro. So S600 has to suffer it also, although HTC made a very thin copper cover inside for reducing the heat.
shox22 said:
Mh.. we had a guys that ran a lot of taiji basemark runs (loop) and had no problem with throttling. Maybe Taiji is gpu only and real racing 2 needs gpu and cpu a lot. A bit worrying though.
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GPU tests don't make a significant stress on the system. The thermal throttling happens mostly when both CPU and GPU reaching the limit.
That's too bad... :-/
My Nexus 4 really suffered from thermal throttling, too. But a custom kernel by Franco with lowered voltages and a newly written thermal handling routine sorted that out, the SoC didn't become too hot and didn't throttle at all!
Can someone try running Stability Test (cpu+gpu test) to see at what temperature is throtled?
Re: HTC Flagship 2013 - HTC One - Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 - Mega Information Thread
May be an isolated issue and not with all devices?
more2come said:
Hey XDA friends,
I was testing my One today with some intense gaming and benchmarking. I noticed that Real Racing 3 was slowing down after some time of gaming. So I ran Antutu before and after my gaming session. My score before: 24567, my score after 20 minutes of Real Racing 3: 19945 !
Especially the GPU score was significantly lower in the second test. It seems that the One is throttling speed when reaching defined temperatures. There is a thermald.conf in /system/etc , but impossible for me to read out. A modified thermald.conf or a custom kernel should sort that out!
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I can hardly believe that this is an isolated issue! I'm pretty sure that the S600 has the same temperature handling routines as the S4 Pro. The presence of a thermald.conf in /system/etc/ shows that there are defined parameters for SoC throttling to protect the device.
If you're willing to test that, just give Real Racing 3 a go for about 30 minutes and run Antutu directly afterwards. Or run stability test for longer periods of time.
If this is the case, you would have thought Qualcomm would have at least attempted to sort out the thermal issue as seen in some S4 Pro handsets!.
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I can hardly believe that this is an isolated issue! I'm pretty sure that the S600 has the same temperature handling routines as the S4 Pro. The presence of a thermald.conf in /system/etc/ shows that there are defined parameters for SoC throttling to protect the device.
If you're willing to test that, just give Real Racing 3 a go for about 30 minutes and run Antutu directly afterwards. Or run stability test for longer periods of time.
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I did what did you ask there is not really difference in Antutu result, before and after, both above 22K.
I played around 25 minutes of RR3
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Are you on some custom ROM?
No m8 Stock
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No m8 Stock
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Thanks, that and your signature were very helpful! My stock firmware was from O2 Germany which is reportedly older than the most recent stock EU firmware. I flashed mike's Revolution ROM right now which has a newer firmware base and possibly a newer kernel. Thermal throttling doesn't happen on Revolution HD!
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Thanks, that and your signature were very helpful! My stock firmware was from O2 Germany which is reportedly older than the most recent stock EU firmware. I flashed mike's Revolution ROM right now which has a newer firmware base and possibly a newer kernel. Thermal throttling doesn't happen on Revolution HD!
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Well that's reckless and dangerous.
There is thermal throttling for a reason, and it's set very aggressively for a reason.
Hunt3r.j2 said:
Well that's reckless and dangerous.
There is thermal throttling for a reason, and it's set very aggressively for a reason.
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Thermal throttling didnt steped in - but that doesnt mean that thermal throlltling isnt there. The change could come from the update to 1.28 (new driver for example). The same happened on the one x last year. There was an update that significantly reduced heat.
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Thermal throttling didnt steped in - but that doesnt mean that thermal throlltling isnt there. The change could come from the update to 1.28 (new driver for example). The same happened on the one x last year. There was an update that significantly reduced heat.
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It gets a little less hot on the backside with the newer firmware base, I can confirm that.
it gets hot, it throttles. it's a safety measure. why do u complain?
so u want your phone to breach the heat threshold then the chip dies and then u're gonna say htc one sucks becoz components die?
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it gets hot, it throttles. it's a safety measure. why do u complain?
so u want your phone to breach the heat threshold then the chip dies and then u're gonna say htc one sucks becoz components die?
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Of course it's a safety measure, but in my opinion a smartphone shouldn't throttle due to normal usage. If the circumstances are abnormal (very hot summer temperatures, for example), throttling is okay and I'd welcome that to protect my valuable HTC. But while playing a game?
But there's no further reason for me to complain, because the newest firmware runs cool enough without throttling.
so in the latest firmware its not throttling? can you add this info to your OP?
What is the latest firmware? Is there a published changelog and do I need to go back to stock to get at it?
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What is the latest firmware? Is there a published changelog and do I need to go back to stock to get at it?
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latest should be 1.29
hello guys my question is ... im goign to get a S4 soon... but i want to know if the CPu can overclock? im goign to get the Quad-Core Version cuz the International Version is to expensive.. so i want to know if this NEW S600 CPU will be Overclockable? like the CPU of the Droid DNA?
Why would you want to do so? It's fast enough as it is. But to answer your question yes. When you can do it. No idea.
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hello guys my question is ... im goign to get a S4 soon... but i want to know if the CPu can overclock? im goign to get the Quad-Core Version cuz the International Version is to expensive.. so i want to know if this NEW S600 CPU will be Overclockable? like the CPU of the Droid DNA?
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It will be for sure possible but remember that the device already throttles on stock speed.
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It will be for sure possible but remember that the device already throttles on stock speed.
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i think he wants to be Antutu world champion
darkhelio said:
hello guys my question is ... im goign to get a S4 soon... but i want to know if the CPu can overclock? im goign to get the Quad-Core Version cuz the International Version is to expensive.. so i want to know if this NEW S600 CPU will be Overclockable? like the CPU of the Droid DNA?
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Yes, you can Overclock it. 2.1 GHz should be great (and maybe 22 GHz)
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Yes, you can Overclock it. 2.1 GHz should be great (and maybe 22 GHz)
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thanks thats what i want to know just need to wait and see when we are goign to be able to do it
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thanks thats what i want to know just need to wait and see when we are goign to be able to do it
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I can see why people would want to overclock. To achieve max pimped out status on their phone like mine
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I can see why people would want to overclock. To achieve max pimped out status on their phone like mine
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Can you make a youtube video of the phone actually performing such an AnTuTu test? You could be very popular! :good:
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I can see why people would want to overclock. To achieve max pimped out status on their phone like mine
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jesus ! XD omg XD i will get the Octa-Core Better when is not that overpriced i onlu have 624 dollrs i will get more to see if i can get it
Phone already has heat issues and overclocking will blow it
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even the OCta Core? i mean i think i has more Overclock power 1.6 is not the max frequenci
Is there any more on this? I am interested in getting a little bit more speed...
Seriously guys. No matter how much we clock our s4's. We know that the real life result is actually what matters. I am not very happy to tell you guys that iphone5 with 2 cores runs smoother and opens apps faster than my s4. Specially the camera , dialer and gallery app. However when it comes to in app load times and raw processing, the s4 has the edge.
I am already having overheat issues on my i9500. Can't even think about over clocking it. Instead, I was think of some under clock.
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Seriously guys. No matter how much we clock our s4's. We know that the real life result is actually what matters. I am not very happy to tell you guys that iphone5 with 2 cores runs smoother and opens apps faster than my s4. Specially the camera , dialer and gallery app. However when it comes to in app load times and raw processing, the s4 has the edge.
I am already having overheat issues on my i9500. Can't even think about over clocking it. Instead, I was think of some under clock.
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that has to do with android OS not samsung everything u open it first time , reopen it see how fast it will be
I see some of you guys are saying the S4 has over heating issues... BUT what is considered to be over heating? at what temp?
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I see some of you guys are saying the S4 has over heating issues... BUT what is considered to be over heating? at what temp?
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If we talk about cpu temp then I can't tell you but even the battery temp reaches above 55 to 60 for some users. In real life usage. It gets too hot to place it against our ear for a call.
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If we talk about cpu temp then I can't tell you but even the battery temp reaches above 55 to 60 for some users. In real life usage. It gets too hot to place it against our ear for a call.
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Oh if it thats I dont have to worry...
Both S4 versions have plenty of power. I'm more interested in undervolting for extra battery life.
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Both S4 versions have plenty of power. I'm more interested in undervolting for extra battery life.
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There is already custom kernel faux that allow cpu freq and voltage modifications
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You just want to be the Benchmark World Champion, don't ya ?
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Title says it all
Edit and a 15MHz GPU overclock and should I go higher maybe 2.2GHz
extremetempz said:
Title says it all
Edit and a 15MHz GPU overclock
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Wow I'm surprised your play didn't explode lol
OT: are you still going to make that cm7 ROM you mentioned a while back because I'm sure lots of people are interested
Edit: can you tell what kernel/ROM you used and how you did it. Thanks
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Wow I'm surprised your play didn't explode lol
OT: are you still going to make that cm7 ROM you mentioned a while back because I'm sure lots of people are interested
Edit: can you tell what kernel/ROM you used and how you did it. Thanks
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I need to fix lots of errors with the GB and I modified lupus v10 GB kernel
extremetempz said:
Title says it all
Edit and a 15MHz GPU overclock
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Water cooling?
SmokeyTheAggie said:
Water cooling?
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Water cooled would be soo awesome !
there is a theory by turgot, that increasing a faktor wont increase the outcome at a specific point anymore. therefore i would be really interested how your play handles games at that oc. not only a benchmark, something like a video where its possible to see occouring errors, if there are any
this is great work you did, and it may allows some modification to the play.yes im thinking about cooling..even if it wont be that portable anymore. thanks for your help
2.3GHz
I'm currently going where no developer would go before my customized kernel has 26 CPU frequinces all up and a max of 2.3GHz
But without the GPU overclock and a 8mb GPU memory vs Lupus and dooms 4mb
i cant go even more than 1.6ghz
Needed an extra cooler solution and an powerful battery, like Mugen 3600mAh, to maintain this level of OC for diary use. Would be amazing!
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But without the GPU overclock and a 8mb GPU memory vs Lupus and dooms 4mb
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Wait, what? Lupus Kernel offers increased amount of VRAM?
IMHO this is perfectly fine if you don't care so much about the device, otherwise you would be crazy. OC'ng so high will eventually cause in-reversable damage. I know what your doing so no need for me to ask questions But even if its stable for you it wont be for others all depends on the chip and as we know each is different. Also even if people don't use 2.x ghz frequencies tend to jump to the highest for a mili second if even on boot, causing problems with the device actually booting.
Well just my 2 cents on OC'ing...
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IMHO this is perfectly fine if you don't care so much about the device, otherwise you would be crazy. OC'ng so high will eventually cause in-reversable damage. I know what your doing so no need for me to ask questions But even if its stable for you it wont be for others all depends on the chip and as we know each is different. Also even if people don't use 2.x ghz frequencies tend to jump to the highest for a mili second if even on boot, causing problems with the device actually booting.
Well just my 2 cents on OC'ing...
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What about 2 cents on this VRAM apparently being doubled?
At the end of the day its not GMEM which is essentially like a processors cache. Our chip has 256kb of it. But the allocated VMEM, would upping it to 8MB provide any sort of performance increase?
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What about 2 cents on this VRAM apparently being doubled?
At the end of the day its not GMEM which is essentially like a processors cache. Our chip has 256kb of it. But the allocated VMEM, would upping it to 8MB provide any sort of performance increase?
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So it's true then? How can it be possible?
Wow. Just wow.
Extremetempz, your username fits so well with this thread.
extremetempz said:
Title says it all
Edit and a 15MHz GPU overclock and should I go higher maybe 2.2GHz
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Can you get a stable 2.0ghz if so how do you do it?
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psxpetey said:
Can you get a stable 2.0ghz if so how do you do it?
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I don't know it just works up to 2.2GHz and then crash but my brothers play can only reach 1.6GHz every device is diferent
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I don't know it just works up to 2.2GHz and then crash but my brothers play can only reach 1.6GHz every device is diferent
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Can you post some benchmarks for the CPU? And also tell us more about the VRAM... Did it make any difference?
I believe that the Xplay has good chances of reach 2.0GHZ, running fine, provided has an good thermal solution. In my test, the games run fine for some minutes, before start overheat. Needed of somebody to build an custom cooler, then, make some tests. In my opinion, the safe clock, for sure, is not only 1.6GHZ. Only for default cooler.
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Can you post some benchmarks for the CPU? And also tell us more about the VRAM... Did it make any difference?
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I CBF screen shooting but CPU at 2.1 is around 20% faster then 1.6 and the GPU is around 25% faster with a 2600 3d score in antutu without adrenobooster
I know it's kind of not allowed to redistribute this but can u upload the kernel and send it ti me (PM) cus I will take some screens ans my play can handle 2GHz fine but bootloops when gaming after about 30-50 minutwa (depends on intensity of game!)
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I recently flashed franco.kernel onto my 16GB Nexus 4 (rooted, PA3+) and I overclocked it, but I was wondering how far I can go. I heard about a possible 2GHZ overclock but I'm not sure what kernel that uses. Any suggestions?
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I recently flashed franco.kernel onto my 16GB Nexus 4 (rooted, PA3+) and I overclocked it, but I was wondering how far I can go. I heard about a possible 2GHZ overclock but I'm not sure what kernel that uses. Any suggestions?
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no one can run 2ghz on their nexus 4
nvm.
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no one can run 2ghz on their nexus 4
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A test kernel someone made awhile back when the nexus first came out it ran fine at 2ghz was a little hot at times but it worked :laugh:
Well, what is the highest that I would be able to overclock my Nexus, anyway? franco goes up to 1.7, I'm wondering whether it's possible to go any higher. And if I could go any higher, what kernel would I have to use? I'm just quite curious.
Faux has one that goes to 1.9 i think
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Faux has one that goes to 1.9 i think
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test it. it doesnt test as a 1.9 kernel no matter how hard you try, its not really 1.9ghz. a 1.9ghz clocked cpu, will test like a 1.9 ghz cpu, not a 1.7ghz cpu. there are other kernels that go to 1.944ghz also, they test like 1.944ghz. but that doesnt matter, most phones will not be able to run at a "real" 1.944ghz.
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test it. it doesnt test as a 1.9 kernel no matter how hard you try, its not really 1.9ghz. a 1.9ghz clocked cpu, will test like a 1.9 ghz cpu, not a 1.7ghz cpu. there are other kernels that go to 1.944ghz also, they test like 1.944ghz. but that doesnt matter, most phones will not be able to run at a "real" 1.944ghz.
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Mine runs at 1.944 just fine, with an undervolt of 150 across the board
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Mine runs at 1.944 just fine, with an undervolt of 150 across the board
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bench it, show me that it benches like 1944mhz. just because it says 1.9ghz, doesnt mean it actually is. that can be faked. 1944mhz will bench like 1944mhz, 1836mhz will bench like 1836mhz, and so on. if it benches like 1.7, 1.6, 1.5ghz, then its not 1.9ghz. sure benchmarks dont show real world use, but they do show what speed you are testing by their results. we know what range each speed should test at. fauxs' 1.9ghz doesnt test where 1.9ghz should test at, and faux has been caught before, on other devices, showing that the device is running at a higher speed when actually isnt.
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bench it, show me that it benches like 1944mhz. just because it says 1.9ghz, doesnt mean it actually is. that can be faked. 1944mhz will bench like 1944mhz, 1836mhz will bench like 1836mhz, and so on. if it benches like 1.7, 1.6, 1.5ghz, then its not 1.9ghz. sure benchmarks dont show real world use, but they do show what speed you are testing by their results. we know what range each speed should test at. fauxs' 1.9ghz doesnt test where 1.9ghz should test at, and faux has been caught before, on other devices, showing that the device is running at a higher speed when actually isnt.
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Its becuase it throttles down when benching, its cause the freq cant stay that high the whole time without risking damaging the board so it throttles down to lower "safer" freq. On real cpu on a computer it has fan speeds to go higher when the temp is to high but that solution is not possible for mobile soc.
franco probably belives that 1.7 is the best possible OC since the throttling wont be that high. I would say that he is right but i prefer the stock speed and never mess with OC on mobile soc. But thats just me
More than often to much OC gives the opposite effect and makes the phone slower because of all the throttling.
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Utacka said:
Its becuase it throttles down when benching, its cause the freq cant stay that high the whole time without risking damaging the board so it throttles down to lower "safer" freq. On real cpu on a computer it has fan speeds to go higher when the temp is to high but that solution is not possible for mobile soc.
franco probably belives that 1.7 is the best possible OC since the throttling wont be that high. I would say that he is right but i prefer the stock speed and never mess with OC on mobile soc. But thats just me
More than often to much OC gives the opposite effect and makes the phone slower because of all the throttling.
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Thanks, I see what you mean now.
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IMO Trinity is probably best for overclocking, but even it can only go up to 1836 MHz. Also, there are risks to OC as well--which ranges from overheating to red light of death to your phone spontaneously combusting. Just letting you know
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Hey guys.
I couldn't help but notice that in Antutu benchmark my gpu score was way lower than the stock S4, but also lower then HTC One too!
Some games were lagging too, but i'm not sure if the gpu is to blame here.
Anyway, in one day I tried oc on gpu, oc/uv on cpu, 4 different kernel, 2 TW roms, one GPE rom, CM10.2 rom, and in the end total wipe and flash latest stock rom with Odin.
Nothing worked!Gpu scores were still lower than what they were supposed to be?
Best case scenario my gpu was on par with HTC One, but after oc.
What is wrong with my S4??
Can you give me any advices?
Could the hot climate affect thermal throttling?
(Does the gpu even have thermal throttling?I thought only cpu had thermal throttling on the S4.)
I've attached a screenshot of my scores, take a look at how small the gpu (orange) bar is, compared to HTC One.
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I put my device in the freezer for 5 minutes to get rid of the ambient temperature factor and after I tested again, 3d scores were normal.
Can ambient temperature really affect performance so much though?
Anyone, any ideas?
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Hey guys.
I couldn't help but notice that in Antutu benchmark my gpu score was way lower than the stock S4, but also lower then HTC One too!
Some games were lagging too, but i'm not sure if the gpu is to blame here.
Anyway, in one day I tried oc on gpu, oc/uv on cpu, 4 different kernel, 2 TW roms, one GPE rom, CM10.2 rom, and in the end total wipe and flash latest stock rom with Odin.
Nothing worked!Gpu scores were still lower than what they were supposed to be?
Best case scenario my gpu was on par with HTC One, but after oc.
What is wrong with my S4??
Can you give me any advices?
Could the hot climate affect thermal throttling?
(Does the gpu even have thermal throttling?I thought only cpu had thermal throttling on the S4.)
I've attached a screenshot of my scores, take a look at how small the gpu (orange) bar is, compared to HTC One.
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I put my device in the freezer for 5 minutes to get rid of the ambient temperature factor and after I tested again, 3d scores were normal.
Can ambient temperature really affect performance so much though?
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Is this a I9500 or a I9505?
nfsmw_gr said:
Hey guys.
I couldn't help but notice that in Antutu benchmark my gpu score was way lower than the stock S4, but also lower then HTC One too!
Some games were lagging too, but i'm not sure if the gpu is to blame here.
Anyway, in one day I tried oc on gpu, oc/uv on cpu, 4 different kernel, 2 TW roms, one GPE rom, CM10.2 rom, and in the end total wipe and flash latest stock rom with Odin.
Nothing worked!Gpu scores were still lower than what they were supposed to be?
Best case scenario my gpu was on par with HTC One, but after oc.
What is wrong with my S4??
Can you give me any advices?
Could the hot climate affect thermal throttling?
(Does the gpu even have thermal throttling?I thought only cpu had thermal throttling on the S4.)
I've attached a screenshot of my scores, take a look at how small the gpu (orange) bar is, compared to HTC One.
EDIT:
I put my device in the freezer for 5 minutes to get rid of the ambient temperature factor and after I tested again, 3d scores were normal.
Can ambient temperature really affect performance so much though?
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definitely the performance will decrease if the GPU and CPU temperature increases its same like laptops and desktops when u play games on it it becomes hotter and the FPS drops when temperature increases and FPS increases when it temperature decreases
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Is this a I9500 or a I9505?
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It's an i9505.
ll_r1d0_ll said:
definitely the performance will decrease if the GPU and CPU temperature increases its same like laptops and desktops when u play games on it it becomes hotter and the FPS drops when temperature increases and FPS increases when it temperature decreases
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Well, on with my S3 and my S4 i had these issues, not with any other of my phones or pc's.
Thanks for the answer though. (can't press the button, I've already given my 8 thanks for today)
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It's an i9505.
Well, on with my S3 and my S4 i had these issues, not with any other of my phones or pc's.
Thanks for the answer though. (can't press the button, I've already given my 8 thanks for today)
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depends on the build quality dude ...well no need to THANK ME its okay