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Debloat without setting off KNOX?

Pardon my noobish-ness, but I have a few questions about debloating a new Note 3...
Mainly, is this possible with just root access?
Custom ROMs will still trigger KNOX, correct? Also, why do we care if KNOX is triggered?
I'm a former OG droid owner and then Thunderbolt owner... This whole KNOX business is new to me. Normally I would just root and then flash custom ROMs... oh well, hopefully they can teach an old dog new tricks.
Thanks for all your help.

profman03 said:
Pardon my noobish-ness, but I have a few questions about debloating a new Note 3...
Mainly, is this possible with just root access?
Custom ROMs will still trigger KNOX, correct? Also, why do we care if KNOX is triggered?
I'm a former OG droid owner and then Thunderbolt owner... This whole KNOX business is new to me. Normally I would just root and then flash custom ROMs... oh well, hopefully they can teach an old dog new tricks.
Thanks for all your help.
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Knox trigger will set a flag that you cannot undo (for now atleast, maybe never).
In some countries that even mean you cannot make use of your warranty.
It breaks Knox functionality as well, so that will be a feature you cannot use.
You can freeze/uninstall knox apps and other bloat after rooting the device.

[Q] Is it worth rooting the Galaxy Note 3?

Ok so I live in Canada, and I plan on buying an unlocked Galaxy Note 3 from Rogers in December. I currently have a Galaxy S3 and it is rooted no triangle on boot or anything like that, so I am happy with my GS3 for now. Is it worth rooting the Note 3 when I get it? Will a giant orange triangle appear everytime I reboot the device? I plan on waiting about a month before I root it, if I do root it. I am not to worried about my warranty as I have never had to use a warranty on a phone before.

You wont see anything other than your model number & samsung logo during booting but you'll see some sort of knox warranty void 0x1 in download mode which means your phone is using custom kernel.
Whether it's worth to root or not i think it depends on you. Myself root my phone on the first day i own it after make sure i dont need the warranty. I dont care about the knox 0x1. Just cant stand with the stock look.

Rosli59564 said:
You wont see anything other than your model number & samsung logo during booting but you'll see some sort of knox warranty void 0x1 in download mode which means your phone is using custom kernel.
Whether it's worth to root or not i think it depends on you. Myself root my phone on the first day i own it after make sure i dont need the warranty. I dont care about the knox 0x1. Just cant stand with the stock look.
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AdFree is a must for me on any phone I own, I was more worried about having a giant orange triangle on the Samsung splash screen like other devices. Or knox doing something to the phone after I rooted it.

rooting has been worthwhile for me
Titanium Backup is awesome in getting rid of the bloatware
Greenify is great in making sure apps do not stay awake
Xposed Framework is awesome in installing modules that add much functionality
-Instagram Photo Download
-Wanam Xposed
-Xposed Additions (Longpress Back to Open Recent Apps, etc)

Cheating in games with game killer can't be done without root.
And since I spent $5 of real money, and you can't transfer the credits over to my new phone, I'm going to cheat.
So if you feel like I do, and feel cheated, cheat yourself the money with game killer and get root.
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Rosli59564 said:
You wont see anything other than your model number & samsung logo during booting but you'll see some sort of knox warranty void 0x1 in download mode which means your phone is using custom kernel.
Whether it's worth to root or not i think it depends on you. Myself root my phone on the first day i own it after make sure i dont need the warranty. I dont care about the knox 0x1. Just cant stand with the stock look.
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This. I rooted and xposed my note to change the colour scheme but even if you like Everyrhing about touchwiz, it is worth it to be able to use any app in multiwindow.

Rooting
Iam just scared about the flash counter

Not rooted as I can get the look and feel using nova or apex. Rooted my SGN2 but missed some of the special samsung stuff.
May change when there is a stable 4.4 if samsung take their time. Just my 2c
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I thought there is a root method without tripping the Knox counter >> "de la Vega" and kingo. right?
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Dont use kingo its a spy app
YES IT IS WORTH
Remove bloat
-> increase free RAM
-> 1.5 times the battery time
Leave a 'Thanks' if i helped you
SM-N9005 MJ7 Knox 0x0
XDA Premium 4 mobile app

Killberty said:
Dont use kingo its a spy app...
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Don't believe everything you read. It's amazing how speculation and rumors turn into "fact" in this forum...especially if it's negative.
I recommend that people do their own, in depth research and them make an educated decision.

if u r not worried about warranty
if u r not worried about warranty it is always better to root cos you get so much more options to play around with which you wouldnt have otherwise

Depends what you want to do, Do you need root? - Do you need to remove apps? - Like choosing something, it's all personal preference... If you need root then root your phone, If you can live without it and don't need it. Then don't.

I still haven't rooted mine.

rooted mine from day 1 too. Mostly for my sixaxis app, controller support for my games
OT: plus i think it is worth it; with root you can get another, better and more optimized, rom.

I still believe if you have to ask you don't need it....

ultramag69 said:
I still believe if you have to ask you don't need it....
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Agreed. I have always rooted my devices but take my time to read with each new device since they're all a bit different. I'm curious if I root with the knox free setting if I can revert fully to stock or only fake non custom status. What's the best method to use for Canadian variant of note 3?

adampollack said:
Agreed. I have always rooted my devices but take my time to read with each new device since they're all a bit different. I'm curious if I root with the knox free setting if I can revert fully to stock or only fake non custom status. What's the best method to use for Canadian variant of note 3?
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Have reverted back to fully official once stock rom was flashed. Only modified status when rooted as you can't run the fake "official" status as wanam needs root priveleges...

ultramag69 said:
Have reverted back to fully official once stock rom was flashed. Only modified status when rooted as you can't run the fake "official" status as wanam needs root priveleges...
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:good:
Just to confirm, I can use Root de la Vega and enjoy all the benefits of rooting without tripping KNOX, but can still reflash (via odin?) the stock rom and be back to factory/warranty settings with STOCK STATUS? That's all I'm interested in at this point, no custom roms or recoveries.
Thanks again for your help! I am just extra cautious :fingers-crossed:

adampollack said:
:good:
Just to confirm, I can use Root de la Vega and enjoy all the benefits of rooting without tripping KNOX, but can still reflash (via odin?) the stock rom and be back to factory/warranty settings with STOCK STATUS? That's all I'm interested in at this point, no custom roms or recoveries.
Thanks again for your help! I am just extra cautious :fingers-crossed:
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yes you just have to unroot using the supersu itself, then flash your stock rom with odin, factory reset. everything will be stock new. even status will revert from custom to official.

[Q] Custom status sometime after root S5

Hey guys I was wondering if I can get some help. I recently rooted my s5 via Geohots method and sometime in between then and now I only got round to checking my knox counter and all my info. I've only installed a few apps. (SuperSU. Root browser and titanium bk) I had sd maid installed before and installed lucky patcher the other day. Now I have a custom status (not sure if this occurs straight after root of after some app installz) even tho knox is still at 0 is there a reason for this status change? Anyway to return it to official? . Thanks a lot hope for some help. Cheers

cmcg86 said:
Hey guys I was wondering if I can get some help. I recently rooted my s5 via Geohots method and sometime in between then and now I only got round to checking my knox counter and all my info. I've only installed a few apps. (SuperSU. Root browser and titanium bk) I had sd maid installed before and installed lucky patcher the other day. Now I have a custom status (not sure if this occurs straight after root of after some app installz) even tho knox is still at 0 is there a reason for this status change? Anyway to return it to official? . Thanks a lot hope for some help. Cheers
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It's reporting custom because you have in fact changed it to custom i.e. not stock. You can use an xposed module or similar program to fake the message so that it shows as official if you want to. Or alternately remove your root, etc so that SysSCOPE will see that you are 100% stock and report it as such. I'd prefer the former option myself or simply not worry about it saying custom.
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fffft said:
It's reporting custom because you have in fact changed it to custom i.e. not stock. You can use an xposed module or similar program to fake the message so that it shows as official if you want to. Or alternately remove your root, etc so that SysSCOPE will see that you are 100% stock and report it as such. I'd prefer the former option myself or simply not worry about it saying custom.
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+1

[Q] Device status custom?

I was playing around with Wanam Xposed's System Holo Dark Background which caused my device status to show as Custom in both download mode and booting, and have since disabled it which puts it back to official.
My questions are:
1. Will this affect my Knox status?
2. How do I check my Knox status?
3. Will anything in Xposed trip Knox?
I'm just trying to get information on how to not trip knox. As far as I've researched, I can't flash kernels, no custom recovery, no roms (except for in safestrap) downgrade, no bootloader unlocks, and pretty much the only thing I can do is flash a stock OFW via ODIN if I ever wanted to remove root or something. Thanks.
Edit: SuperSU disabling knox means it disables the corporate security stuff linked to emails and whatnot, not the flag/efuse itself, correct?

Spartan117H3 said:
I was playing around with Wanam Xposed's System Holo Dark Background which caused my device status to show as Custom in both download mode and booting, and have since disabled it which puts it back to official.
My questions are:
1. Will this affect my Knox status?
2. How do I check my Knox status?
3. Will anything in Xposed trip Knox?
I'm just trying to get information on how to not trip knox. As far as I've researched, I can't flash kernels, no custom recovery, no roms (except for in safestrap) downgrade, no bootloader unlocks, and pretty much the only thing I can do is flash a stock OFW via ODIN if I ever wanted to remove root or something. Thanks.
Edit: SuperSU disabling knox means it disables the corporate security stuff linked to emails and whatnot, not the flag/efuse itself, correct?
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No, it shouldn't affect your Knox status. You can check Knox using some apps on the Play store... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.vndnguyen.phoneinfo is a good, simple one, that also shows the Knox counter. As for anything in Xposed, not sure. I wouldn't think so, but I only use one or two apps for it. Honestly, I don't use it most of the time, as it has caused me more problems than it's worth.

Threezees said:
No, it shouldn't affect your Knox status. You can check Knox using some apps on the Play store... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.vndnguyen.phoneinfo is a good, simple one, that also shows the Knox counter. As for anything in Xposed, not sure. I wouldn't think so, but I only use one or two apps for it. Honestly, I don't use it most of the time, as it has caused me more problems than it's worth.
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+1 for above reply. Also, a quick search of the forums for the VZW S5, has many repeat similar posts for questions just like this with the same answers.

Threezees said:
No, it shouldn't affect your Knox status. You can check Knox using some apps on the Play store... is a good, simple one, that also shows the Knox counter. As for anything in Xposed, not sure. I wouldn't think so, but I only use one or two apps for it. Honestly, I don't use it most of the time, as it has caused me more problems than it's worth.
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Ah, I totally forgot about phone info since it didn't work on my previous phone. Yeah I have a bunch of stuff from Xposed as on my previous phone, I had AOKP and tended to change a bunch of stuff, although I've noticed a lot of things on Xposed has not been made fully compatible with the S5 yet.
kprice8 said:
+1 for above reply. Also, a quick search of the forums for the VZW S5, has many repeat similar posts for questions just like this with the same answers.
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I guess my searching skills suck then. When searching for "Verizon S5 Knox checker", Google shows root methods (because they're listed as not tripping knox). When searching in this subforum for "knox check", all I see is one other thread about unlocking the bootloader. "check knox" returns nothing. "Knox status" doesn't bring up anything useful either. Searching for "Xposed Knox" shows some root tutorial thread that tells me that disabling knox doesn't trip the counter which I knew already, and not much about Xposed tripping knox.
Am I using the search wrong or something?

N9005 bloatware....

Hi guys,
With so much information on this forum, that I like, is difficult to search....
Is there a safest way to remove bloatware on Note 3 N9005 without root or tripping KNOX?
I want my phone to stay official....
Thank you!

Only by deleting apps you installed or disabling stock apps .
Both via the delete bin .

only disabling apps in app manager but sometimes its very useful

this are the safest ways?
i thought about that....with debloater or other apps must be root and knox is tripping... am i right?
Also, there is a list with the Android 5.0 bloatware for 2015?
I found only for KK from 2013....

For me, tripping knox is not a big deal if there is no warranty left on the phone.
Rooting and Titanium Backup is a good combination for removing or freezing apps.

No, without root you can't do any meaningful thing, as simple as that.

thank you guys,
i used Application Manager from phone and turned off all the apps that i'm not using, i think this is the best way to be safe (i still have warranty)...