Would it be possible to boot any of them? The same SoC platform has support for Windows 8 and Chrome OS
I don't have a Nexus Player yet but I suppose it should be possible, specially a Linux distro by flashing a modified ramdisk and a simple distro, being able to use a Nexus Player as a fully fledged PC would increase my interest in buying one exponentially
Samuelgames said:
The same SoC platform has support for Windows 8 and Chrome OS
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Where did you see a Moorefield SoC supporting Windows? I haven't seen anything about that.
But yeah, given that Android is Linux, it should probably be able to handle other distros, if somebody gets the drivers working.
Yeah I'm afraid of that as well, specially with that PowerVR , I still have fears of Poulsbo on my old Laptop.
There aren't any devices other than Android running Moorefield yet but Intel announced they have big plans for Windows in these chips as well, I don't know how it could be brung up with the bootloader setup that Google uses but remember it's still the Silvermont microarchitecture, also we could get libhybris working on x86 for GPU bringup if they don't make X11/Wayland drivers for the PowerVR GPU
Reviving old thread, hoping someone could point me how to start trying to boot a bare debian on the player, with the final target being to run steamos. Imagine that, dual booting android and steamos from a pendrive or even from a pxe server
I've tried most of the streamers, kinoni being half decent, remotr has performance issues. I'm on an amd card so moonlight is not an option, remotr supports amd vce but lags a lot on the player, I'm guessing optimization issues as it works great on my nexus 5. As valve plans to sell the steam streamer soon, my hopes for a valve provided, native steam in home streaming client are low.
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Would it be possibleto dual-boot a desktop OS like windows or more likely, ubuntu?
And if so, will things like firefox and torrents work?
And if so...a gtab would replace a lappy....
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Windows, I am sorry to say 100% NO.
Galaxy Tab or rather Tegra 2 is an ARM architecture (SoC - system on chip) completely different from x86 platform (coming from the first IBM PC XT). Windows 8 is supposed to be designed with both platforms in mind as ARM architecture is slowly catching up with x86 capabilities.
In regard of LINUX... I do not know but I would be rather surprised if there were no other than Android distributions based on this system.
Try this links:
http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/
http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/
http://www.ubuntu.com/news/arm-linux
or simply google ;-)
Hello all
I have the tablet pc which the local brand, currently there is having the window7 os install on the tablet, and I preferred to install android os on it, I don't know my spec are suitable for the install or not, below is my spec of my tablet.
Processor
CPU Intel Atom N450 (1.66 GHz)
Graphic system
Graphic Chip Intel GMA 3150
Display Type Multi-Touch Screen 11.6 inch (1366 ? 768)
Main Memory Memory 1 GB
Hard Disk Drive Hard Disk 64 GB
Web Camera Details 1.3 Pixel
Port & Interface USB 2
Card Reader SD Card
Audio Out 3.5
VDO Out Mini HDMI
Connection
Wireless Lan WiFi 802.11b/g/n
Bluetooth yes
Battery Type
Lithium-ion 7.4V,5000mAh
Life -Size
Size
295 x 195 x 14
Please let me know if I can change OS to android and how I do
Thank you
Arty
Short answer, no.
Not only would you need all the correct drivers for wifi, bluetooth, touch, etc..., but if you did happen to have those, your processor works on the x86 platform, and android is made to be used on the ARM architecture. Sorry.
^ Not completely correct. There ARE versions of Android that run on x86 architecture; Acer do some netbooks with an Android/Windows dual install as do other PC manufacturers. OP will have to search for them though, and he WILL have driver issues.
Basically, if OP wanted an Android tablet, then OP should have bought an Android tablet.
Thank you for the answer, I just would like to know.
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^ Not completely correct. There ARE versions of Android that run on x86 architecture; Acer do some netbooks with an Android/Windows dual install as do other PC manufacturers. OP will have to search for them though, and he WILL have driver issues.
Basically, if OP wanted an Android tablet, then OP should have bought an Android tablet.
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+1 on the option to install android on a windows device. Although it's not common, it has been known to be accomplished, especially on an HTC device for example, as they have done this to 1 or 2 phones.
The big issue, is to find a dev that has managed to do this. And considering you have a "generic", no name tablet, I suspect there would not be a high interest in this. Especially now, when there are several low cost tablets to exploit, and the release of the source for ICS.
Shouldn't knock a person for buying a windows tab. At least it's a tab And... it ain't an Ipad
Heck, my wife yesterday, said she wanted a new ph for her birthday.... A Mozart 7!!!!!!!!
Hey guys,
I was just wondering, if I were to install ubuntu (or any other form of linux for that matter) to a flash drive and connect it via the OTG usb, could I use some kind of app to open it and boot into Ubuntu?
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Hey guys,
I was just wondering, if I were to install ubuntu (or any other form of linux for that matter) to a flash drive and connect it via the OTG usb, could I use some kind of app to open it and boot into Ubuntu?
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Sadly it's not possible to simply put Ubuntu on a flash drive and then load it onto the Nexus 10 from the flash drive using an OTG usb cable, due to the differences between how loading operating systems work on a desktop and embedded/mobile devices. Also any desktop versions of Ubuntu are meant for the x86/x64 CPU architecture while the SoC (System on a Chip) the Nexus 10 uses rellies on the ARM architecture instruction set. Canonical developed Ubuntu for the Nexus 7 but currently has no plans to release a version for the Nexus 10 due to the architecture differences between the Tegra 3 processor in the Nexus 7 and the Exynos 5250.
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Sadly it's not possible to simply put Ubuntu on a flash drive and then load it onto the Nexus 10 from the flash drive using an OTG usb cable, due to the differences between how loading operating systems work on a desktop and embedded/mobile devices. Also any desktop versions of Ubuntu are meant for the x86/x64 CPU architecture while the SoC (System on a Chip) the Nexus 10 uses rellies on the ARM architecture instruction set. Canonical developed Ubuntu for the Nexus 7 but currently has no plans to release a version for the Nexus 10 due to the architecture differences between the Tegra 3 processor in the Nexus 7 and the Exynos 5250.
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Actually... not entirely true. If the drive uses a filesystem that Android recognizes, you use the ARM version of Ubuntu and you have both root and busybox on your tablet, you might be able to chroot into it. To get the UI working, you'd need a VNC server on the Ubuntu side and a VNC client on the Android side. At that point though, I'd say why bother when you can just run it from an image on your internal storage? Also know that this method is not going to be very fast and will not be very battery efficient due to the VNC stuff.
I was here thinking to myself: Samsung Chromebook has a 1.7Ghz Exynos 5 ARM processor and comes with Chrome OS as default. There is an article in Phoronix comparing the performance of this processor with Lubuntu on it against an Atom D525, and Exynos beats Atom in performance.
Considering that Samsung Chromebook is made by the same makers of Samsung Nexus 10, I believe that at some level the drivers could be the same (some level!). Could the person that ported Lubuntu to Chromebook do the same with Nexus 10 (same processor, close drivers)?
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I was here thinking to myself: Samsung Chromebook has a 1.7Ghz Exynos 5 ARM processor and comes with Chrome OS as default. There is an article in Phoronix comparing the performance of this processor with Lubuntu on it against an Atom D525, and Exynos beats Atom in performance.
Considering that Samsung Chromebook is made by the same makers of Samsung Nexus 10, I believe that at some level the drivers could be the same (some level!). Could the person that ported Lubuntu to Chromebook do the same with Nexus 10 (same processor, close drivers)?
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Yes, you could in theory port Chrome OS or Lubuntu to the Nexus 10 using the Samsung Chromebook as a starting point however you would still have to tweak many of the drivers and optimize it for the configuration of a tablet (Touchscreen, button-less except for volume rocker and power button.
I'm searching for a tablet that comes with a full windows 8 but that is also supported by the linux kernel so I could install Ubuntu on it.
I thought that an atom Z2760 based tablet was the way to go, but I've discovered that that processor is not nor will be supported by the linux kernel, so that was a no go.
Atom Z2760 based tablets were relatively not so expensive, so I'm looking for a tablet that costs under 500 euros/550$ and the screen size to be 8" or above (10" would be perfect)
Do you have any suggestions for me?
Thanks in advance!
As you point out, the atom tablets cannot run linux. That leaves you with intel core i3/i5/i7. I dont know of any within your budget.
Only things I can think of are either
A) wait quite a while. The bay trail CPU's are back to what you expect and are normal x86 processors capable of running windows 8 and linux if you wish. However I dont think they are due until 2014.
B) Virtualbox on an atom tablet. No one wants to do that really.
C) Increase your budget.
If you don't mind *installing* Win8 rather than having it come pre-installed, there are plenty of older tablet PCs which will do the job, and while most of them initially retailed for far above your cutoff price, you can usually find them fairly cheap nowadays.
For example, here's an older Dell Latitude 10 tablet that uses an Oak Trail Atom CPU and runs Win7 by default, and is in your price range: http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnline...arch.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dfh&cs=22&puid=2e477084
Bear in mind though: those specs are pretty bad by today's standards. It will run Win8, and it will run any desktop Linux distro I know of, but it won't run either one terribly well.
Thanks for your replies, really appreciate them!
Ok, I guess I'll just pass this generation of affordable Win8 tablets and get a laptop.
Once again, thanks for your help!
Hi,
Is there any chance of dualbooting Dell Venue 8 Pro with Windows 8 and Android? I like Windows 8 but would also like to be able to use Android on this awesome tablet.
If not dual boot, is there any other way of using Android as virtual machine or something that provides full touch and other sensor's support?
Thanks.
Don't "think" Android. Think Linux instead. It theoretically can be done, but the fact that the UEFI is 32bit while Linux uses 64bit.
You would disable Secure Boot in the BIOS. The other issue is a lack of drivers for the touchscreen during installation.
The stress isn't worth it in my opinion. Leave the device stock as is.
I'm waiting for my Venue to arrive. I plan to try running Android on it with Genymotion
http://www.genymotion.com/
Not worth it
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I'm waiting for my Venue to arrive. I plan to try running Android on it with Genymotion
http://www.genymotion.com/
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I'm downloading it now since it is just an emulator running inside VirtualBox.
There are many Android games, that I've already boght and would want to be able to play on the Venue8 Pro. I'll let you know how it works out in a few hours.
EDIT: I've installed and ran the application. As it stated, it is really just an emulator VirtualBox running a stripped down Android image.
Enabling my real cam with the emulator gave me my first BSOD. Installed a few premium games that I had purchased on my real device. The frame rate in the virtual environment wasn't smooth. It was obvious that you were using an emulator. Genymotion is a very good attempt at emulating Andriod on a running PC, however this solution is not for me. It isn't a replacement for a dual-boot scenario with the native OS.
So what would you guys recommend? I have tried both BlueStacks player and an Android virual machine on my Venue 8 Pro. I really want to be running Android smoothly.
To be honest, Genymotion, is smoother than Bluestacks, since it has the Vanilla Android interface (without Samsung's Touchwiz or HTC's Sense). The problem is with trying to use the tablet's hardware such as the camera or gyroscope. The process is then not smooth and gameplay (for serious graphic intensive android games) are choppy or lagging at best. You get the feeling that it is all being emulated and not virtualized in the true sense.
I'm convinced you would have better success running Linux natively then finding a method of running Android apps as opposed to running Android on the device.
Android requires an ARM SoC processor. The Venue 8 Pro uses a full X86/64-bit processor. Therefore Android would need to be re-compiled. This isn't worth the effort in my opinion.
I'm wondering if these instructions will work for the Venue. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2321292
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It looks plausible. I'd create a system image of my entire system partiotion before even attempting this.
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To be honest, Genymotion, is smoother than Bluestacks, since it has the Vanilla Android interface (without Samsung's Touchwiz or HTC's Sense). The problem is with trying to use the tablet's hardware such as the camera or gyroscope. The process is then not smooth and gameplay (for serious graphic intensive android games) are choppy or lagging at best. You get the feeling that it is all being emulated and not virtualized in the true sense.
I'm convinced you would have better success running Linux natively then finding a method of running Android apps as opposed to running Android on the device.
Android requires an ARM SoC processor. The Venue 8 Pro uses a full X86/64-bit processor. Therefore Android would need to be re-compiled. This isn't worth the effort in my opinion.
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But isn't install Linux also difficult (given the UEFI problems)? And will I be able to run Android apps smoothly on Linux somehow?
Linux to me would be easier since it already "exists" for PC. You should be able to install it in theory with a USB mouse and keyboard attached to a USB hub. Android on the other hand would simply not work "natively" with your Dell Venue 8 since it would have to be re-compiled for this purpose. I can't imagine why the source code for an Android app can't be re-compiled for Linux despite the differences in processor type.
My only desire for Android on my Tablet is to be able to play all those games that I've bought for my Samsung Galaxy Note2,
If I knew how to compile Android from source code and simply slipstream the touchscreen drivers that would be great. Let's agree to propose this to the developers in the phone section of this forum such as Cyanogem Mod so that something can be custom built for our devices.
Contrary to the above poster. There is no issue with android across architectures.
Android apps are compiled to dalvik bytecode and run within the dalvik virtual machine. Its platform independent. x86 builds of android exist. There are x86 android devices on shelves, there is android-x86 and there is android-ia. Android is also available on MIPS processors. Community ports to PowerPC have been done. As long as you have a dalvik virtual machine you can run the dalvik bytecode, problem solved.
The driver issue is a big one. x86 operating systems dont have the issue of having to target different devices. But there arent touchscreen, wifi, bluetooth or sensor drivers for all combinations of hardware out there. The asus w700 seems to be the device best off in that regard.
Theoretically it could be done for the venue though. Without those drivers though it will be unusably slow (software drawn screen etc) and interaction wouldnt be possible without external USB.
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x86 builds of android exist.
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Thanks for letting me know.
Has anyone given this a go with the Venue Pro 8 yet? The IA (Intel architecture) android project seems quite mature. You could try booting from an SD card?
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Has anyone given this a go with the Venue Pro 8 yet? The IA (Intel architecture) android project seems quite mature. You could try booting from an SD card?
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I was thinking of trying that but was too afraid to run into a problem that would ruin my new tablet.
Atom x86 phones and tablets use libhoudini to be able to run arm apps, so android dual boot is theoretically possible
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xueyao said:
Atom x86 phones and tablets use libhoudini to be able to run arm apps, so android dual boot is theoretically possible
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thats a different problem and solution entirely
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Has anyone given this a go with the Venue Pro 8 yet? The IA (Intel architecture) android project seems quite mature. You could try booting from an SD card?
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From what I've read, booting from an SD card is not an possible. That's what has stopped me from trying this. I'm not interested in resizing my C drive
In theory, it sounds like the Acer instructions should work on the Dell, but once you're in Android, there may be some driver issues.
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From what I've read, booting from an SD card is not an possible. That's what has stopped me from trying this. I'm not interested in resizing my C drive
In theory, it sounds like the Acer instructions should work on the Dell, but once you're in Android, there may be some driver issues.
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I am planning to give this a try if it this doesn't break my Venue 8 Pro. Will it break it?
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I am planning to give this a try if it this doesn't break my Venue 8 Pro. Will it break it?
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There is never any guarantee of not breaking a device! Perhaps starting with a USB OTG cable and booting the USB might be a first step - without installing to the device... that is if that is possible. I know it worked on my x86-64bit laptop, but the Venue Pro 8 is 32 bit apparently?
Anyway I don't have a Venue Pro 8 of my own... perhaps there is a guide somewhere on taking a full backup of your SSD in the device (or a similar device), including all the partitions etc?
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There is never any guarantee of not breaking a device! Perhaps starting with a USB OTG cable and booting the USB might be a first step - without installing to the device... that is if that is possible. I know it worked on my x86-64bit laptop, but the Venue Pro 8 is 32 bit apparently?
Anyway I don't have a Venue Pro 8 of my own... perhaps there is a guide somewhere on taking a full backup of your SSD in the device (or a similar device), including all the partitions etc?
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I about to take the plunge very soon. I just completed the usb part of the tut. I am gonna use the IA3 file. I guess Ill see what happens soon. I already took the time to offload my backup on a usb, initially to make more space since I got the 16gig which really left me with only 6-8 gb. Taking out the recovery partition made about 3.45 gb free from the tab.
I already disabled "Secure Boot"
After doing this and restarting this you will run into the problem about the bitlocker and needing to type in your bitlocker code from MS again. You could bypass and disable this by hitting disable bitlocker. But for the concern it will come up. I plan on making a thread for this and be the pioneer guy.
So yeah kinda scared to start it as I got this when MS store had there $99 deal.... waited for 8 hours till i got mine and hate to break it....