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Tablet PC that can run Ubuntu/Linux AND FULL Windows 8

I'm searching for a tablet that comes with a full windows 8 but that is also supported by the linux kernel so I could install Ubuntu on it.
I thought that an atom Z2760 based tablet was the way to go, but I've discovered that that processor is not nor will be supported by the linux kernel, so that was a no go.
Atom Z2760 based tablets were relatively not so expensive, so I'm looking for a tablet that costs under 500 euros/550$ and the screen size to be 8" or above (10" would be perfect)
Do you have any suggestions for me?
Thanks in advance!

As you point out, the atom tablets cannot run linux. That leaves you with intel core i3/i5/i7. I dont know of any within your budget.
Only things I can think of are either
A) wait quite a while. The bay trail CPU's are back to what you expect and are normal x86 processors capable of running windows 8 and linux if you wish. However I dont think they are due until 2014.
B) Virtualbox on an atom tablet. No one wants to do that really.
C) Increase your budget.

If you don't mind *installing* Win8 rather than having it come pre-installed, there are plenty of older tablet PCs which will do the job, and while most of them initially retailed for far above your cutoff price, you can usually find them fairly cheap nowadays.
For example, here's an older Dell Latitude 10 tablet that uses an Oak Trail Atom CPU and runs Win7 by default, and is in your price range: http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnline...arch.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dfh&cs=22&puid=2e477084
Bear in mind though: those specs are pretty bad by today's standards. It will run Win8, and it will run any desktop Linux distro I know of, but it won't run either one terribly well.

Thanks for your replies, really appreciate them!
Ok, I guess I'll just pass this generation of affordable Win8 tablets and get a laptop.
Once again, thanks for your help!

[Q] Dual-booting Dell Venue 8 Pro with Android

Hi,
Is there any chance of dualbooting Dell Venue 8 Pro with Windows 8 and Android? I like Windows 8 but would also like to be able to use Android on this awesome tablet.
If not dual boot, is there any other way of using Android as virtual machine or something that provides full touch and other sensor's support?
Thanks.

Don't "think" Android. Think Linux instead. It theoretically can be done, but the fact that the UEFI is 32bit while Linux uses 64bit.
You would disable Secure Boot in the BIOS. The other issue is a lack of drivers for the touchscreen during installation.
The stress isn't worth it in my opinion. Leave the device stock as is.

I'm waiting for my Venue to arrive. I plan to try running Android on it with Genymotion
http://www.genymotion.com/

Not worth it
A_Str8 said:
I'm waiting for my Venue to arrive. I plan to try running Android on it with Genymotion
http://www.genymotion.com/
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I'm downloading it now since it is just an emulator running inside VirtualBox.
There are many Android games, that I've already boght and would want to be able to play on the Venue8 Pro. I'll let you know how it works out in a few hours.
EDIT: I've installed and ran the application. As it stated, it is really just an emulator VirtualBox running a stripped down Android image.
Enabling my real cam with the emulator gave me my first BSOD. Installed a few premium games that I had purchased on my real device. The frame rate in the virtual environment wasn't smooth. It was obvious that you were using an emulator. Genymotion is a very good attempt at emulating Andriod on a running PC, however this solution is not for me. It isn't a replacement for a dual-boot scenario with the native OS.

So what would you guys recommend? I have tried both BlueStacks player and an Android virual machine on my Venue 8 Pro. I really want to be running Android smoothly.

To be honest, Genymotion, is smoother than Bluestacks, since it has the Vanilla Android interface (without Samsung's Touchwiz or HTC's Sense). The problem is with trying to use the tablet's hardware such as the camera or gyroscope. The process is then not smooth and gameplay (for serious graphic intensive android games) are choppy or lagging at best. You get the feeling that it is all being emulated and not virtualized in the true sense.
I'm convinced you would have better success running Linux natively then finding a method of running Android apps as opposed to running Android on the device.
Android requires an ARM SoC processor. The Venue 8 Pro uses a full X86/64-bit processor. Therefore Android would need to be re-compiled. This isn't worth the effort in my opinion.

I'm wondering if these instructions will work for the Venue. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2321292
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It looks plausible. I'd create a system image of my entire system partiotion before even attempting this.

Anonymously_Unknown said:
To be honest, Genymotion, is smoother than Bluestacks, since it has the Vanilla Android interface (without Samsung's Touchwiz or HTC's Sense). The problem is with trying to use the tablet's hardware such as the camera or gyroscope. The process is then not smooth and gameplay (for serious graphic intensive android games) are choppy or lagging at best. You get the feeling that it is all being emulated and not virtualized in the true sense.
I'm convinced you would have better success running Linux natively then finding a method of running Android apps as opposed to running Android on the device.
Android requires an ARM SoC processor. The Venue 8 Pro uses a full X86/64-bit processor. Therefore Android would need to be re-compiled. This isn't worth the effort in my opinion.
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But isn't install Linux also difficult (given the UEFI problems)? And will I be able to run Android apps smoothly on Linux somehow?

Linux to me would be easier since it already "exists" for PC. You should be able to install it in theory with a USB mouse and keyboard attached to a USB hub. Android on the other hand would simply not work "natively" with your Dell Venue 8 since it would have to be re-compiled for this purpose. I can't imagine why the source code for an Android app can't be re-compiled for Linux despite the differences in processor type.
My only desire for Android on my Tablet is to be able to play all those games that I've bought for my Samsung Galaxy Note2,
If I knew how to compile Android from source code and simply slipstream the touchscreen drivers that would be great. Let's agree to propose this to the developers in the phone section of this forum such as Cyanogem Mod so that something can be custom built for our devices.

Contrary to the above poster. There is no issue with android across architectures.
Android apps are compiled to dalvik bytecode and run within the dalvik virtual machine. Its platform independent. x86 builds of android exist. There are x86 android devices on shelves, there is android-x86 and there is android-ia. Android is also available on MIPS processors. Community ports to PowerPC have been done. As long as you have a dalvik virtual machine you can run the dalvik bytecode, problem solved.
The driver issue is a big one. x86 operating systems dont have the issue of having to target different devices. But there arent touchscreen, wifi, bluetooth or sensor drivers for all combinations of hardware out there. The asus w700 seems to be the device best off in that regard.
Theoretically it could be done for the venue though. Without those drivers though it will be unusably slow (software drawn screen etc) and interaction wouldnt be possible without external USB.

SixSixSevenSeven said:
x86 builds of android exist.
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Thanks for letting me know.

Has anyone given this a go with the Venue Pro 8 yet? The IA (Intel architecture) android project seems quite mature. You could try booting from an SD card?

CL0SeY said:
Has anyone given this a go with the Venue Pro 8 yet? The IA (Intel architecture) android project seems quite mature. You could try booting from an SD card?
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I was thinking of trying that but was too afraid to run into a problem that would ruin my new tablet.

Atom x86 phones and tablets use libhoudini to be able to run arm apps, so android dual boot is theoretically possible
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xueyao said:
Atom x86 phones and tablets use libhoudini to be able to run arm apps, so android dual boot is theoretically possible
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thats a different problem and solution entirely

CL0SeY said:
Has anyone given this a go with the Venue Pro 8 yet? The IA (Intel architecture) android project seems quite mature. You could try booting from an SD card?
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From what I've read, booting from an SD card is not an possible. That's what has stopped me from trying this. I'm not interested in resizing my C drive
In theory, it sounds like the Acer instructions should work on the Dell, but once you're in Android, there may be some driver issues.
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A_Str8 said:
From what I've read, booting from an SD card is not an possible. That's what has stopped me from trying this. I'm not interested in resizing my C drive
In theory, it sounds like the Acer instructions should work on the Dell, but once you're in Android, there may be some driver issues.
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I am planning to give this a try if it this doesn't break my Venue 8 Pro. Will it break it?

elixir_pr said:
I am planning to give this a try if it this doesn't break my Venue 8 Pro. Will it break it?
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There is never any guarantee of not breaking a device! Perhaps starting with a USB OTG cable and booting the USB might be a first step - without installing to the device... that is if that is possible. I know it worked on my x86-64bit laptop, but the Venue Pro 8 is 32 bit apparently?
Anyway I don't have a Venue Pro 8 of my own... perhaps there is a guide somewhere on taking a full backup of your SSD in the device (or a similar device), including all the partitions etc?

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There is never any guarantee of not breaking a device! Perhaps starting with a USB OTG cable and booting the USB might be a first step - without installing to the device... that is if that is possible. I know it worked on my x86-64bit laptop, but the Venue Pro 8 is 32 bit apparently?
Anyway I don't have a Venue Pro 8 of my own... perhaps there is a guide somewhere on taking a full backup of your SSD in the device (or a similar device), including all the partitions etc?
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I about to take the plunge very soon. I just completed the usb part of the tut. I am gonna use the IA3 file. I guess Ill see what happens soon. I already took the time to offload my backup on a usb, initially to make more space since I got the 16gig which really left me with only 6-8 gb. Taking out the recovery partition made about 3.45 gb free from the tab.
I already disabled "Secure Boot"
After doing this and restarting this you will run into the problem about the bitlocker and needing to type in your bitlocker code from MS again. You could bypass and disable this by hitting disable bitlocker. But for the concern it will come up. I plan on making a thread for this and be the pioneer guy.
So yeah kinda scared to start it as I got this when MS store had there $99 deal.... waited for 8 hours till i got mine and hate to break it....

GNU/Linux distros or even NT booting on the Nexus Player?

Would it be possible to boot any of them? The same SoC platform has support for Windows 8 and Chrome OS
I don't have a Nexus Player yet but I suppose it should be possible, specially a Linux distro by flashing a modified ramdisk and a simple distro, being able to use a Nexus Player as a fully fledged PC would increase my interest in buying one exponentially

Samuelgames said:
The same SoC platform has support for Windows 8 and Chrome OS
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Where did you see a Moorefield SoC supporting Windows? I haven't seen anything about that.
But yeah, given that Android is Linux, it should probably be able to handle other distros, if somebody gets the drivers working.

Yeah I'm afraid of that as well, specially with that PowerVR , I still have fears of Poulsbo on my old Laptop.
There aren't any devices other than Android running Moorefield yet but Intel announced they have big plans for Windows in these chips as well, I don't know how it could be brung up with the bootloader setup that Google uses but remember it's still the Silvermont microarchitecture, also we could get libhybris working on x86 for GPU bringup if they don't make X11/Wayland drivers for the PowerVR GPU

Reviving old thread, hoping someone could point me how to start trying to boot a bare debian on the player, with the final target being to run steamos. Imagine that, dual booting android and steamos from a pendrive or even from a pxe server
I've tried most of the streamers, kinoni being half decent, remotr has performance issues. I'm on an amd card so moonlight is not an option, remotr supports amd vce but lags a lot on the player, I'm guessing optimization issues as it works great on my nexus 5. As valve plans to sell the steam streamer soon, my hopes for a valve provided, native steam in home streaming client are low.

Android TV Build for PC's (Interest?)

Hi everyone! So, a few weeks back I was looking for an OS to put on my old PC and shockingly noticed lack of support for ATV for PC. Yes, I know thinks like Kodi exist and yes I could use Windows and emulate Android or some other solution however none that I can find seemed to fit me.
Things I want:
Full screen apps
Full controller support
Access to the Play Store and ability to add TV versions of apps
Decent hardware support
Ability to install on basically anything
Maybe access to a different launcher for other apps?
Easy to see and navigate UI
Easy enough for a basic user to use
Ability to utilize the optical drive
Yes, I am aware that Roku's and Android TV boxes exist for cheep, however, I like to use old hardware and this would be a good, useful project if done correctly and I feel this can gain popularity. The added IO, storage and RAM space is a huge plus and would make the experience better.
With all this being said; Who is interested in this project? I will be honest and say I know nothing about programming but I could absolutely learn and I have some days off during the week to get things done. I have a few machines to build on so that might not be an issue. If anyone could help that would be amazing. I am not asking for donations (unless this seriously grows) but instead I am asking for help.
What hardware do I have?
Laptop:
2017 MacBook Pro i5 8GB RAM
HP ProBook i3 with 16GB RAM
Desktop:
Intel Core i5 7th Gen
MSI Z270
16GB RAM
256 NVMe Boot Drive
x2 3TB HDD
Server:
Dual Chip Xeon Server
32GB RAM
7TB Storage
3 NICs
Internet: 400MB down and 50 Up
What do you guys think? Is this worth spending time on?

This is exactly what i was searching for. I would invest time and help where i can.
The thing is, i can't programm either :/
I have good hardware knowledge, a little bit with software like installing OS's. rooting android devices since the HTC Dream G1 (first android phone ever), have a TV and Shield with Android TV and was looking for a good way to bring Android TV on the TV of my Son. I would use Quadcore Intel Celeron APUs with HD 600 IGPU's.
So if there is any way to make this happen, i want that journey!

OH MY GOD! This is the best idea ive ever heard!
So yeah, its called Android tv x86 amongst many other names and its been around since at least.... 2016?!??
heres one of the first results that come up on Google the first time i just searched....
Install Android TV In Your Old PC In 2023 - Gadget Junction
Easily Install Android TV on any pc in simple steps.
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Suggestions for upgrading laptop hardware to use from 3 to 5 years

Hi everyone,
Currently, I am using ASUS K53SD laptop for video editing and photoshop but now my computer is showing slowness, and now don't have enough money to buy a new computer so I hope you guys can give me some advice. some suggestions to upgrade the hardware are that the price is most reasonable.
Specification
CPU: Intel Core i5 - 2450M
RAM: 8GB
HDD: 1TB
VGA: Intel HD Graphic 3000 + Nvidia Geforce 610M
WLAN: Atheros AR5B195
Thank you!

I believe your first, best, and maybe only option is to replace the old HDD with a new SSD of similar capacity depending on your budget/needs. The speed increase of the SSD should be quite noticeable from the time it takes your computer to boot to the read/write times of your editing. I would start there.

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I believe your first, best, and maybe only option is to replace the old HDD with a new SSD of similar capacity depending on your budget/needs. The speed increase of the SSD should be quite noticeable from the time it takes your computer to boot to the read/write times of your editing. I would start there.
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Yes, it's a great idea. can you tell me if this machine can get 16GB Ram because I do video editing is quite heavy and can you recommend a wifi card that supports Bluetooth 4.0 because I will use it with AirPods and a wireless mouse?

An increase of RAM would have been my first or next suggestion but a quick Google search of your laptap told me the max RAM your laptop will accept is only 8GB ...As far as the wifi cards, I cannot say but I would suggest an external USB dongle for such things as Bluetooth and wifi in a laptop such as yours. If compatible.

trieuanh.07 said:
Hi everyone,
Currently, I am using ASUS K53SD laptop for video editing and photoshop but now my computer is showing slowness, and now don't have enough money to buy a new computer so I hope you guys can give me some advice. some suggestions to upgrade the hardware are that the price is most reasonable.
Specification
CPU: Intel Core i5 - 2450M
RAM: 8GB
HDD: 1TB
VGA: Intel HD Graphic 3000 + Nvidia Geforce 610M
WLAN: Atheros AR5B195
Thank you!
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Just because the specs state that the max RAM supported is 8GB doesn't mean it can't use more, especially if the CPU you have has microcoding to support more than the overall system specs stated by the manufacturer. I had a Dell inspiron N5110 laptop that I upgraded the CPU to a hyper threaded quad core and upgraded the RAM to 16GB of Gskill RAM even though the specs said it would only support 8GB, it used the full 16GB with no issue.
Upgrade your RAM to 16GB of RAM that is at least the next step in mhz and install a SSD, the larger it is, the faster it will be.
If your CPU is socketed and can be upgraded, upgrade the CPU as well, if your laptop has a CPU that is soldered to the board, you can't upgrade the CPU, most laptops have soldered CPU.
elbonnor said:
An increase of RAM would have been my first or next suggestion but a quick Google search of your laptap told me the max RAM your laptop will accept is only 8GB ...As far as the wifi cards, I cannot say but I would suggest an external USB dongle for such things as Bluetooth and wifi in a laptop such as yours. If compatible.
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That uses old i5 cpu ...it is a 47ish watt so got to stay in that realm. ASus should have a compatibility matrix for that series .. Every laptop manufacture used a similar build. Lenovo. Dell and others... I am working on 3 lenovo⁸ to replace broken screens. So I sourcing screens can get a HD from better model and I can even go to an 8th generation i7 6700mx from a i3.. replacing mem so I will have 16gb not 4gm...
Buy part laptops of ebay...40 to 100 buks...or I going to use the phones I have w broken screens into my new kali and steam game machines for niece an nephew..
I can tell say the older laptops like yours may be a socket....look up pics for your motherboard on asus ebay..hell thay may be even listed..Asus runs with Dell.. so look for Dell latitude similar model number..
Cool thing is the laptops were all modular.
ALPHA Netwoks makes both NVma and ePCi.wifi and BT cards.. I think yours is the ePcmcia card....that old credit card size things you could expand your laptop with perifials but it is on a card slot...
Good luck

Hi, friend. Usually with the change from mechanical hard disk to ssd a considerable increase in data access speed is achieved, replacing the ram memories with more current ones with greater speed and capacity we also manage to improve speed. Now, you work with video editing, it's hard for me to understand that you're still taking advantage of that veteran Asus, but I see that you're daring and that you're not going to give up easily and I like that hahaha. Personally I recommend you get an intel i7 2670QM and replace it, update all the firmware (possibly you will have already updated the bios, if you haven't already the time has come but there are more upgradable components, do it with everything you can). On the other hand, working mainly with video applications you should replace the graphics card, with that Nvidia Geforce 610M you can't do big things anymore. I can look for a list of compatible graphics if you're willing to update it, but probably by getting one of at least 2Gb, even if it's the same model, you'll already notice a big difference, especially since when it comes to processing the video you won't need to go as far. assiduously to ram memory.
Of course, let's start at the beginning:
Disassemble that notebook, disassemble fans, processors, chipset and everything you can disassemble to replace the thermal putty and thoroughly clean all the equipment because by forcing it a little more the temperature will also be higher.
If you want to go further, reply to the message, I'm already a computer dinosaur but I'm still as passionate as the first day and I wouldn't mind dedicating a few hours to help you.

Thanks for everyone's suggestions, I'm currently using a ThinkPad X1 Carbon, so I'll give this laptop to my brother in the countryside. Anyway, thank you very much, everyone.

trieuanh.07 said:
Thanks for everyone's suggestions, I'm currently using a ThinkPad X1 Carbon, so I'll give this laptop to my brother in the countryside. Anyway, thank you very much, everyone.
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A good team that lenovo thinkpad.