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Android 5.0 Lollipop incoming!

http://motorola-blog.blogspot.ca/20...d-50-lollipop-coming.html?linkId=10037443&m=1
Confirmed for our Moto X gen1 devices!

Maybe I will remember to do the right thing and wait until root is found before updating this time....

Funny. The Moto X (first gen) is the first phone I had in years that I did not feel the urge to root. And I used to be a compulsive flasher. About the only thing I miss is being able to easily block ads, and even those I can handle. Makes life easier....

The same post? Please, write here....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2903911

isaakmg said:
The same post? Please, write here....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2903911
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My bad. Saw it and noticed the word "Rumor" so decided to start another thread. Since, yknow, it's not rumor anymore....
And yes, never felt the urge to root other than for loading my Titanium Backup apps...

AlbertoM said:
Funny. The Moto X (first gen) is the first phone I had in years that I did not feel the urge to root. And I used to be a compulsive flasher. About the only thing I miss is being able to easily block ads, and even those I can handle. Makes life easier....
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At home at least, have you tried to use open DNS to block them? You can set up your router to use openDNS as the DNS it hands out to client and then any of the known ad domains that are erksome you can block at the DNS level similar to what you did with adblocking via /etc/hosts previously with root.

AlbertoM said:
Funny. The Moto X (first gen) is the first phone I had in years that I did not feel the urge to root. And I used to be a compulsive flasher. About the only thing I miss is being able to easily block ads, and even those I can handle. Makes life easier....
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Funny, I am experiencing the same thing! With my LgOG I was a straight up flashing fanatic but I have my moto x for about two months now and I don't miss one bit of root and even xposed... I just love the performance of this phone... Can't wait for L too

AlbertoM said:
Funny. The Moto X (first gen) is the first phone I had in years that I did not feel the urge to root. And I used to be a compulsive flasher. About the only thing I miss is being able to easily block ads, and even those I can handle. Makes life easier....
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This!
My last phone was a samsung and it was nearly useless with touchwiz and bloat.
The only thing that really annoys me on the moto X is the "AT&T" constantly in notification bar.

In the latest update they have an option to disable the carrier in the status bar. Should be on this screen. Mine disappeared for some reason but I looked it up and it should he there.
brian Marshall said:
This!
My last phone was a samsung and it was nearly useless with touchwiz and bloat.
The only thing that really annoys me on the moto X is the "AT&T" constantly in notification bar.
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The SDK has been released so maybe there will be a flashable ROM for us to use before they push out the update. It won't have Moto features, but it will be Lolipop.

AlbertoM said:
Funny. The Moto X (first gen) is the first phone I had in years that I did not feel the urge to root. And I used to be a compulsive flasher. About the only thing I miss is being able to easily block ads, and even those I can handle. Makes life easier....
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I've been the same way with my Moto X. I did try running TowelPieRoot for a few weeks recently with Xposed but was having some weird glitches so yesterday I went ahead and factory reset again and updated to 4.4.4. I don't feel like I'm missing enough to make it worth the trouble, and I want to get 5.0 on it as soon as possible which will mean not waiting till root(assuming root is possible). I've still got my Nexus 4 for flashing stuff and have been running an Android L port on it for a few months now; it's pretty awesome and I can't wait to get the new look and features on my Moto X.
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Phone: Moto X(XT1053) running stock 4.4.4
P.S. There seem to be several fellow Texans in this thread. Pretty cool.

VZW dev edition here. My experience has been similar. I am rooted since there are several Tasker things I like to do that require it. Also one or two Xposed things. Never had a glitch. I'd stay unrooted but miss the tweaks when they're not there.
The upgrade to 4.4.4 was enough of a hassle that I questioned whether to stay stock or not afterwards. But missing my Tasker apps and wifi tether led me back to root.
But damn, this phone is close to perfect.

tnp9008 said:
I've been the same way with my Moto X. I did try running TowelPieRoot for a few weeks recently with Xposed but was having some weird glitches so yesterday I went ahead and factory reset again and updated to 4.4.4. I don't feel like I'm missing enough to make it worth the trouble, and I want to get 5.0 on it as soon as possible which will mean not waiting till root(assuming root is possible). I've still got my Nexus 4 for flashing stuff and have been running an Android L port on it for a few months now; it's pretty awesome and I can't wait to get the new look and features on my Moto X.
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Phone: Moto X(XT1053) running stock 4.4.4
P.S. There seem to be several fellow Texans in this thread. Pretty cool.
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Rooting is very possible, Chainfire is on the job already with Supersu
Our devices are close to nexuses so i shouldn't be hard to root
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/supersu-2-13-android-l/

Upgrade for a rooted Moto X
My Moto X is rooted. Does that still entail for an OTA upgrade once the Lollipop drops? Or will I need to resort to some additional tricks to make that happen?

You have to restore the stock nandroid backup and flash the stock recovery
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arj009 said:
Rooting is very possible, Chainfire is on the job already with Supersu
Our devices are close to nexuses so i shouldn't be hard to root
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/supersu-2-13-android-l/
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Yeah it won't be hard to root if you have an unlocked bootloader. I'm keeping mine locked until my warranty runs out. There's no way of knowing if there will be another solution like TowelPieRoot to achieve root w/out unlocking the bootloader for Android 5.0.

So, with Android 5.0 on the horizon for our Moto X, should it be expected that at first lots of things will be broken with xposed, and gravity box and such?
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trentonmc24 said:
So, with Android 5.0 on the horizon for our Moto X, should it be expected that at first lots of things will be broken with xposed, and gravity box and such?
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I don't think xposed ever updated for ART support...

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I don't think xposed ever updated for ART support...
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Oh, well I guess I'll be on 4.4 until they get around to doing that. Thanks for that info.
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trentonmc24 said:
Oh, well I guess I'll be on 4.4 until they get around to doing that. Thanks for that info.
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No problem. The way xposed is now, If you switch to ART with it installed it never switches to ART.

I miss root :(

Hey, new to the droid maxx section. I been with android sense they first came out. I been rooted sense day one. Now my friend give me this droid maxx as a gift cux he got the new iPhone 6s. Now he updated to the latest ota n I am frustrated I cant root this device. So sad rite now I miss adaway root explorer custom ROM custom recovery anything bout root I miss. Just wanted to share my sadness lol
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The only part of your list I can relate to is adaway.
I used to ROM my Samsung phones to debloat and get better performance.
The Maxx just plain works as is.
Now the WiFi tethering root would allow would be nice.

I have rooted for a while now, and I am not missing it as much as I used to. All that flashing was out of control... Especially because the builds were sort of sketchy on my Razr M. Just not enough Dev support for the phones I seem to like. The Maxx works quite well as it is, and now I am impatiently waiting for Lollipop. I still flash builds on my Razr M once and a while.. Now that I have Maxx, the builds have gotten better.

I feel the pain, had an unlocked bootloader on my Maxx until I had to send the phone back in for warranty work. Now I'm stuck with locked 4.4.4. *sigh* I have a Moto X Developer Edition on the way so I can play.

At lease I am not alone lol. I do like flashing ROM. I usually stay wit the ones that is more stable. I play games on my fone so the more space I can make the better I feel haven't seen lollipop so hopefully I get it due to I have my maxx on metro pcs working perfect 4g LTE
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Yea, I am in the same boat. Got the Maxx as a gift and came with 4.4.4.
IThe thing I am missing the most is all the customizations you can do with xposed.
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missing ability to remove bloatwares, block ads and block app from using internet connection

Johnny Wong said:
I feel the pain, had an unlocked bootloader on my Maxx until I had to send the phone back in for warranty work. Now I'm stuck with locked 4.4.4. *sigh* I have a Moto X Developer Edition on the way so I can play.
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That's where I am at myself. Old Maxx bricked, warranty replacement was up to date.

Well for you guys missing root, I just put both my BL unlocked Maxx and Ultra on eBay haha.

Thanks but no thanks lol. I can be patient.

pijes said:
missing ability to remove bloatwares, block ads and block app from using internet connection
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You can block bloat via ADB shell commands look up in Verizon Note4 forum I blocked so many apps even vzw bloat.

You can?
patt2k said:
You can block bloat via ADB shell commands look up in Verizon Note4 forum I blocked so many apps even vzw bloat.
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Patt2k, I did not know that was possible. Thank you!

svzurich said:
Patt2k, I did not know that was possible. Thank you!
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Let me know how it goes I know it works just fine on my Note4 but you could pretty much do it on every phone as long as you can turn on usb debugging...

patt2k said:
You can block bloat via ADB shell commands look up in Verizon Note4 forum I blocked so many apps even vzw bloat.
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Thanks man. Now I can disable stubborn apps altogether.

Rooting as a whole

Seems after getting the Note 4 I have found my self wondering how I was ever with out root. Its crazy I cant stand this phone with out root. Its maddening to know I have Ads and apps I don't need. If Verizon didn't offer this phone at Christmas for 150.00 I would have never got it. #1 Reason no root was out yet but I took a chance. I know now or always have that you DEVS work hard to get stuff done. This was just a big ....
THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK!

Root will be out soon. I had no patience and switched to the Dev edition. I HATE ads and clustered samsung status bar with passion...

WhiteReign said:
Seems after getting the Note 4 I have found my self wondering how I was ever with out root. Its crazy I cant stand this phone with out root. Its maddening to know I have Ads and apps I don't need. If Verizon didn't offer this phone at Christmas for 150.00 I would have never got it. #1 Reason no root was out yet but I took a chance. I know now or always have that you DEVS work hard to get stuff done. This was just a big ....
THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK!
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Articulated very nicely. I too long for Root and full control of my phone restored in my hands.

Op is the one who has joined XDA since 2011 and more than 400+ thanks (out of 500+ posts ) Posted this in the wrong forum accidentally or didn't know this is development forum

This is exactly why I sold my Verizon n4 and got a nexus 6. I have never had a phone without root. It was driving me nuts as well. I love the phone but couldn't deal with no root. I check back periodically to see if root has been achieved. Maybe one day I will have a n4 again.

Meh... You can disable the bloat with the stock app manager... Yeah, not 100%, but I am not gonna obsess about 4 or 5 tiny apps or services running in the background that I don't see or notice anyway... I am not that much of a control freak... It's a phone, not the center of my universe that I feel compelled to bend 100% to my will.. hehe
Root would be nice I guess, but on these newer phones, the appeal is less and less. I can skin it however I want with dozens of launchers, and debloating a few extra apps with root won't make it any faster...
By the time root comes out, the devs will have moved on to newer phones so the ROM support will suck anyway...

It's unfortunate. I would love to have root access on this phone for various reasons . My next phone will have it, even if I have to leave Verizon.
Sadly, the Verizon Note 4 is never going to see it...at least not before the next round of Note flagships

First post, just got a note 4. Had a rooted lg g2 before it. I'm loving the note so far (only had it about a week), but I use limelight to play computer games on my phone and it doesn't support mouse input very well without root access. . . As has been said I've disabled most of the bloat, but it would be nice to be able to just get rid of it. Also Sixaxis controller requires root to pair a ps3 or 4 controller to my phone... I hope root comes soon, maybe I should become a developer to help the cause. I too thank you for all your work.

SquireSCA said:
Meh... You can disable the bloat with the stock app manager... Yeah, not 100%, but I am not gonna obsess about 4 or 5 tiny apps or services running in the background that I don't see or notice anyway... I am not that much of a control freak... It's a phone, not the center of my universe that I feel compelled to bend 100% to my will.. hehe
Root would be nice I guess, but on these newer phones, the appeal is less and less. I can skin it however I want with dozens of launchers, and debloating a few extra apps with root won't make it any faster...
By the time root comes out, the devs will have moved on to newer phones so the ROM support will suck anyway...
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You can disable any app you want using adb shell.
This issue around root has been interesting for me. For awhile, I was like you, OP and many others who feel they must have root. However, after about 5 weeks of use now, I find myself perfectly happy with the Note 4 just the way it is and I wonder if I'll even take root-ability into consideration when making my next phone purchase.

mlin said:
You can disable any app you want using adb shell.
This issue around root has been interesting for me. For awhile, I was like you, OP and many others who feel they must have root. However, after about 5 weeks of use now, I find myself perfectly happy with the Note 4 just the way it is and I wonder if I'll even take root-ability into consideration when making my next phone purchase.
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I am with you. Root used to be mandatory IMHO, as phone makers just didn't seem to be able to get the phone's to work properly out of the box... slow, clunky, missing things, instability, outdated software, etc...
Nowadays, I just don't see that. Typically it is the ROMs that are unstable, miss features, etc... I see thread after thread of this great new ROM! But the camera is flunky, doesn't have data, or the IR blaster doesn't work, etc...
I had an LG G2 and the ROMs didn't impress me much. Went to a GS5 and was even less impressed. None of the ones that I tried were measurably faster than stock, none were 100% functional, or if they were, they were just tweaked stock ROMs and so what's the point? Risk warranty issues or bricking it, or not able to get OTA's, for what? Just to be able to brag to my nerd friends that I had a transparent status bar because a regular one bothers me SOOOO SOOOO much? LOL
The Note 4, is amazing. Debloat it with ADB or with the app manager, install your favorite launcher and icon pack to get the look and feel that you want, and know that it will work 100%, it's fast, stable and no warranty issues, no being left out when Lollipop drops and you want it but it breaks root again so you have to stick with the old software, etc...

I'm with you guys. I come from a Nexus4 and still have a Nexus7. I miss root for Titanium backup and that's about it. Sure I'm going to once it drops but the note is a very capable device able to stand on its own.

SquireSCA said:
Meh... You can disable the bloat with the stock app manager... Yeah, not 100%, but I am not gonna obsess about 4 or 5 tiny apps or services running in the background that I don't see or notice anyway... I am not that much of a control freak... It's a phone, not the center of my universe that I feel compelled to bend 100% to my will.. hehe
Root would be nice I guess, but on these newer phones, the appeal is less and less. I can skin it however I want with dozens of launchers, and debloating a few extra apps with root won't make it any faster...
By the time root comes out, the devs will have moved on to newer phones so the ROM support will suck anyway...
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4 or 5 apps? You must be oblivious to the hundreds of services and dozens of apps that are running on your phone. Don't forget about hundreds of intents that must all be doing something in your favor.
Big Red just wants your phone to run smooth and they want your battery life to be even more fabulous.

xdadevnube said:
4 or 5 apps? You must be oblivious to the hundreds of services and dozens of apps that are running on your phone. Don't forget about hundreds of intents that must all be doing something in your favor.
Big Red just wants your phone to run smooth and they want your battery life to be even more fabulous.
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You can disable any app on the phone with this.

xdadevnube said:
4 or 5 apps? You must be oblivious to the hundreds of services and dozens of apps that are running on your phone. Don't forget about hundreds of intents that must all be doing something in your favor.
Big Red just wants your phone to run smooth and they want your battery life to be even more fabulous.
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You can disable most of the things in the app manager. There are only a few that you can't, but then you can do that with ADB. Either way, you can debloat the phone, without root, and without risk of messing up your warranty or the ability to get the Lollipop OTA in a few weeks.
Also, a lot of reviews have shown that disabling everything under the sun to free up RAM, can actually slow your phone down, not speed it up.
Getting the true crap disabled, is the biggest thing and anyone can do that without root today.

It doesn't have to be the center of someone's Universe for them to enjoy changing it and making it their own, people do this will all types of things. Some would call it a "hobby" or an interest. Lots of people enjoy spending hours on Facebook or playing video games, others enjoy tinkering with their devices.
I went for a while with a retail Note 4 and ended up getting a DE. There are too many things that I missed, here are some of them:
Add WiFi HotSpot Toggle and Bypass Subscription Check
Add Flashlight Toggle
AdAway
Titanium Backup
Viper4Android
Root Explorer
Xposed Framework with the following modules:
-Youtube AdAway
-Play Store Link In App Info
-Wanam
-Swype Keyboard Tweaks
-Notify Clean (Clean notification area)
-No Map Tips (Disable Google Play Maps location accuracy tips)
-Google Play Music Listen Later (Change the default Google Play Music pane and tabs)
-Disable Clear Defaults Dialog
Chrome Pie (Add Pie control to Chrome)

SquireSCA said:
Meh... You can disable the bloat with the stock app manager... Yeah, not 100%, but I am not gonna obsess about 4 or 5 tiny apps or services running in the background that I don't see or notice anyway... I am not that much of a control freak... It's a phone, not the center of my universe that I feel compelled to bend 100% to my will.. hehe
Root would be nice I guess, but on these newer phones, the appeal is less and less. I can skin it however I want with dozens of launchers, and debloating a few extra apps with root won't make it any faster...
By the time root comes out, the devs will have moved on to newer phones so the ROM support will suck anyway...
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And whats even better you can block every single possible app with adb !
Until we get root its live able without it.
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SquireSCA said:
You can disable most of the things in the app manager. There are only a few that you can't, but then you can do that with ADB. Either way, you can debloat the phone, without root, and without risk of messing up your warranty or the ability to get the Lollipop OTA in a few weeks.
Also, a lot of reviews have shown that disabling everything under the sun to free up RAM, can actually slow your phone down, not speed it up.
Getting the true crap disabled, is the biggest thing and anyone can do that without root today.
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like I said, oblivious

The Note 4 is so sick the way it is! Do I wish we had root? Check. Do I wish we had unlocked bootloader? Check. Am I gonna give up on THE best phone out right now because I don't have those things? Hell NO! The phone is a beast! And I'll keep waiting, maybe for nothing....... but if it is for nothing, I'll live. Love the Note 4! And sticking with it no matter what.

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The Note 4 is so sick the way it is! Do I wish we had root? Check. Do I wish we had unlocked bootloader? Check. Am I gonna give up on THE best phone out right now because I don't have those things? Hell NO! The phone is a beast! And I'll keep waiting, maybe for nothing....... but if it is for nothing, I'll live. Love the Note 4! And sticking with it no matter what.
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Phone sucks without root. Seems like you don't need your xda account anymore
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I can't use a phone without pie controls. Comes in handywhen laying in the bed
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I miss being able to use better battery stats to follow wakelocks. I haven't had any real issues with wakelocks so far, but it really is just a matter of time.
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Root by March 1. Over/Under Poll

Will the Verizon Galaxy Note 4 Retail see root by March 1, 2015? Wanted to see what you guys think in a poll.

There are threads where this should go.
There are people messing around with getting root, but nothing real serious. Unfortunately, the Verizon retail Note 4 isn't likely to ever get root, certainly not by March. No chance.

There's a radio button for that

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Will the Verizon Galaxy Note 4 Retail see root by March 1, 2015? Wanted to see what you guys think in a poll.
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I'm mobile, can't see the poll. I'd say between lollipop possibilities and recently discussed exploits, 60% chance.

Are there android phones in the past or current that has never seen root access?

The only thing I use root for is Titanium Backup so I can freeze bloatware. That is about it, but I have enough memory and quite frankly the stock works very well for me.
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They are crackin' pretty hard at it over on the AT&T side. If they find a way, it should work for us. Here's hoping. This thing runs great but these dangforblasted white screens are driving me insane. Time-line? Who knows. The sooner the better.

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They are crackin' pretty hard at it over on the AT&T side. If they find a way, it should work for us. Here's hoping. This thing runs great but these dangforblasted white screens are driving me insane. Time-line? Who knows. The sooner the better.
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This was actually my motivation for starting this thread. It seems like it's heating up a bit over there and I was wondering if that had changed anyone's opinion from the first "Root Poll" thread started a while ago. I'm certainly more optimistic after seeing all of the activity. On the other hand history does seem to shoe that the big advances seem to come from people who have been silently waiting in the wings.

Yea it has been a while since I put up that root poll. It's since died out which is understandable.
My point of view is (and yes I voted) lol
I don't believe well see root in this device! I fear that this is the way it's going to be for most new devices rolling out from here on out. Unless you purchase a dev edition.
To me. The phone runs very well! Use the blocking script and u can free up some ram. Otherwise the only things Im missing the most is cleaning up the notification bar and TiBu. Otherwise I'm happy!
Course this is just my opinion.
Carry on

freddy0872 said:
Yea it has been a while since I put up that root poll. It's since died out which is understandable.
My point of view is (and yes I voted) lol
I don't believe well see root in this device! I fear that this is the way it's going to be for most new devices rolling out from here on out. Unless you purchase a dev edition.
To me. The phone runs very well! Use the blocking script and u can free up some ram. Otherwise the only things Im missing the most is cleaning up the notification bar and TiBu. Otherwise I'm happy!
Course this is just my opinion.
Carry on
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Color Status Bar gives you full control over the notification panel without root. Helium retains a lot of TiBu functionality without root.
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Once I can find a way to spoof GPS without having "Allow Mock Location" I won't be obsessed with this phone getting root. I love the phone regardless.
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jpfulton248 said:
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Not gonna happen

Not going to happen. Saving for iPhone 6 plus were jailbreak works no matter what carrier. Maybe the m8. Does the m8 have root on verizon even? It's going to take me a while to save 800 bucks, maybe we will get lucky. Stock would not be bad, but suckwiz is killing me.

I've been optimistic for those on the note 4 verizon version, unfortunatley the sad truth is, its either going to never come to note 4 or will be almost a year till root is achieved. I'm going to be staying with my note 3 for a long time. Possibly forever, until note edge/edge 2 note 5 gets root and custom recovery. Just my opinion, I'm cheering you guys on, it's hard without dev support. Once the dev support get's tripled than might have a better chance. But till then, your gonna have to wait it out. Best of luck and I'm rooting for your guys

I am not optimistic. I suppose it is the DE edition for the N5 or off to another manufacturer whose phone can be rooted.

Can't really put the blame on the manufacturer. I understand that tmobile variant of the Note 4 can be rooted. It's a carrier thing. Maybe Samsung just has a more secure method. But it's only there because Verizon wants it there.
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jpfulton248 said:
Once I can find a way to spoof GPS without having "Allow Mock Location" I won't be obsessed with this phone getting root. I love the phone regardless.
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why do you need to spoof GPS? you play Ingress? if you do, it's against tos

outcasted2003 said:
The only thing I use root for is Titanium Backup so I can freeze bloatware. That is about it, but I have enough memory and quite frankly the stock works very well for me.
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You wouldn't like to be able to write to sdcard using any method of your choice?

Nope. MLB at Bat app. If I want to watch my home team I can't be in the tv/radio "broadcast territory" of either of the teams playing. On my previous phone I used "FakeGPS". Apk has to be copied to "/system/priv-app" in order to work with "Allow Mock Locations" turned off... MLB at Bat app knows if Allow Mock is turned on.

And maybe it was PEBKAC but I'm pretty sure I tried renaming a picture on my SD Card and was denied. Insanity.

[BOUNTY]-Kingroot-Without Data Connection- Who's in

I propose we create a Bounty for the Keys to Kingroot without a data connection that is not lost until we manually reboot. . I will start it off with a $100 pledge. Instead of calling it temporary root, I would call it Root On Demand. It some ways it is actually better than permanent root. I don't think we will ever find permanent root for the N900V unless we get a leak from Samsung.
All you have to do is reverse engineer the root that the Kingroot team has already found. It must be a simple process that is really easily adaptable to a wide variety of Android Smart-Phones, Otherwise they would sell the Application for individual use. The only reason I can think of that would make it unprofitable is that once the secret gets out anyone could do it.
We need a scientific investigation to discovers what changes are being made to the phone to attain root. It is possible to use Kingroot without even setting up a email account. If you have the apps you want to run backed up.
I would think the Kinroot root is being stored as a image file in RAM because the ROM is write protected and root is lost with a hard boot.
Root is also lost when a app first ask for root privileges. So it could be that the Kingroot root fix has to be rewritten into RAM as a bundle for each application that is added. Kingroot has to dump the last file to write a new bundle file or maybe it has to remount the system. I have found that Titanium Backup is able to put applications back on Kingroots' Root Authorization list after a factory restore, but Titanium Backup can not install the Kingroot root because the phone need to be rooted with Kingroot to run Titanium Backup. I know it's confusing. Anybody got any clues as to how it works would be appreciated.

I'm probably going to get banned for this but..... shut the edited up dude. I'm tired of your pointless posts

mcdevitt1985 said:
I'm probably going to get banned for this but..... shut the edited up dude. I'm tired of your pointless posts
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Nah...I would never. How about this...
In the words of Captain America: "Language!"
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@doctor-cool the guy posting above me kind of has a point. It is obvious you know little about the rooting industry and methods. There is no such thing as "simply reverse engineer" processes in Android. Also no bounty would be worth it to someone like these guys. Permanent root is worth well over $100K in the private sector to specific industries. As for the reason for the data connection, Kingroot supports 1000's of models of phones and needs a specific process for certain ones, so they check which model phone you have then pull the needed files from their server and attempt root. By keeping everything on their servers they can improve the existing files and add new support when it comes about. The first company that we saw do this Kingo Root explained that it takes GBs of files to support the root method so it is impossible to package it into a reasonable size file.
Another thing to think about...if it was that easy to reverse engineer something, don't you think there would have been all kinds of copies of Chainfire's root methods and SuperSu floating around?
The exploit used was released at blackhat. Those working on the permanent root solution are doing so for sales to the private industries I mentioned. When that money is exhausted maybe some altruistic root developer will release it publicly.
So no one will get you "the keys"

It's all about the money. Why let real developers have any fun when your can make tons of money in the other sectors..... I think I'm going to just sell my Note 4, and go with something that's REALLY developer friendly, a Motorola Nexus 6. It has the BEST support of any phone I've ever seen, plus it's bootloader unlocked!

chevycam94 said:
It's all about the money. Why let real developers have any fun when your can make tons of money in the other sectors..... I think I'm going to just sell my Note 4, and go with something that's REALLY developer friendly, a Motorola Nexus 6. It has the BEST support of any phone I've ever seen, plus it's bootloader unlocked!
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Moto x as well hopefully mine gets delivered at end if this week. No more ever Samsung phone
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patt2k said:
Moto x as well hopefully mine gets delivered at end if this week. No more ever Samsung phone
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Good bye Samsung, 'hello-moto"
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Don't get me wrong, the Note 4 is sweet. But from a developer standpoint, it's useless. I actually use the S-Pen on a regular basis.

The OP has a good point in that it would be nice not having to contact Chinese servers and waste data each time you had to re-root.