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Been looking a the Shield for the last few days and haven't pulled the trigger yet. I have a Droid DNA and Moga controller, so I am not sure if its worth it on the Android side of the Shield. And then my main gaming PC is a laptop with a 750M GPU (kepler) and I don't want to get stuck with the mobile GPUs not being supported. So I am wondering if it is worth it for just he Android games (given I have a phone/controller already) or uif I should gamble that I would be able to stream PC games in the future?
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Been looking a the Shield for the last few days and haven't pulled the trigger yet. I have a Droid DNA and Moga controller, so I am not sure if its worth it on the Android side of the Shield. And then my main gaming PC is a laptop with a 750M GPU (kepler) and I don't want to get stuck with the mobile GPUs not being supported. So I am wondering if it is worth it for just he Android games (given I have a phone/controller already) or uif I should gamble that I would be able to stream PC games in the future?
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Personally I would wait. I bought it for both, but unless emulators of old games will endlessly occupy you, PC streaming is the star of the show (even though I'm having system requirement issues and haven't tried it yet).
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Yeah that's what I am afraid of. Its a lot of money to spend to not know if I will be able to take full advantage of it (outside of building a PC).
Character Zero said:
Yeah that's what I am afraid of. Its a lot of money to spend to not know if I will be able to take full advantage of it (outside of building a PC).
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There are some other reasons just besides gaming device to buy this.
If you watch a lot of Netflix the Shield is worth it. You can prop up the screen, and watch videos without having to hold up a tablet. The miniHDMI makes it easy to plug the Shield into the TV and use apps like XDA. It could be used as a mobile home theater device. It's even great as a portable boombox because of the loud speakers.
In addition my PC streaming problem is processor specific.... My processor exceeds the requirements by almost twice what they say (I have two Xeon processors).
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Character Zero said:
Been looking a the Shield for the last few days and haven't pulled the trigger yet. I have a Droid DNA and Moga controller, so I am not sure if its worth it on the Android side of the Shield. And then my main gaming PC is a laptop with a 750M GPU (kepler) and I don't want to get stuck with the mobile GPUs not being supported. So I am wondering if it is worth it for just he Android games (given I have a phone/controller already) or uif I should gamble that I would be able to stream PC games in the future?
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I have a SGS3 and a GameKlip. So I kind of under stand where you are coming from.
IMO the shield is a premium device. Its like my SGS3/Gameklip is Folger's coffee and the shield is fresh ground Starbucks.
The controller. The speakers. The huge battery. Its all top notch stuff that may be overkill in most ppls mind but if you really enjoy gaming it might be for you. The PC streaming for me is a bonus. I may build a PC to get streaming set up on but its not a priority.
Mostly for me this thing was bought for emulation of old consoles, android gaming and as a media player for around the house (using to play Pandora around the house IS NICE). Sure my phone will do all that. But the shield will do it all so much better.
s0me guy said:
I have a SGS3 and a GameKlip. So I kind of under stand where you are coming from.
IMO the shield is a premium device. Its like my SGS3/Gameklip is Folger's coffee and the shield is fresh ground Starbucks.
The controller. The speakers. The huge battery. Its all top notch stuff that may be overkill in most ppls mind but if you really enjoy gaming it might be for you. The PC streaming for me is a bonus. I may build a PC to get streaming set up on but its not a priority.
Mostly for me this thing was bought for emulation of old consoles, android gaming and as a media player for around the house (using to play Pandora around the house IS NICE). Sure my phone will do all that. But the shield will do it all so much better.
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You make a good point about the media player aspect. I have a Vita and a 3DS along with all the consoles that I just have no time to play. I am kind of crazy with game consoles, but not sure if I need another one.
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You make a good point about the media player aspect. I have a Vita and a 3DS along with all the consoles that I just have no time to play. I am kind of crazy with game consoles, but not sure if I need another one.
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Lol. you sound a bit like me.
I literally just bought a brand new in sealed box Nintendo DSlite to play slot 1 & 2 flash carts with. Then I buy this thing. To be honest every other console I own is about to get neglected for the foreseeable future. My phone is also starting to get neglected too. Browsing the web is much more fun with shield than my S3. Still not as good as my laptop but the using the anolog sticks and triggers make for a pretty nice way to navigate the web browser.
Posting this fro shield too FYI.
I've definitely enjoyed my Shield. Originally, I was planning to use it mainly for media consumption, but then I downloaded GTA III of the Play Store and it was on. I've spent hours playing GTA just messing around with the cops and driving around.
It still is a good media consumption device too. I can sit it down and watch it, or hold it up while keeping my hands comfortable by adjusting the screen. Once you get the hang of the little analog stick clicking and flicking to pull down menus, scroll, etc. it's pretty great.
The WiFi implementation is superb. It peaks at 300 Mbps on 5 GHz (full 2x2:2 802.11n). The speakers are very loud. I can usually keep my volume set at about 30% when using the device in my house.
The only drawback is that it's pretty heavy. It doesn't really bother me because I'm usually resting my arms on something when I use it, but if you're expecting the weight of a 3DS or Vita, you're going to be disappointed.
cgutman said:
I've definitely enjoyed my Shield. Originally, I was planning to use it mainly for media consumption, but then I downloaded GTA III of the Play Store and it was on. I've spent hours playing GTA just messing around with the cops and driving around.
It still is a good media consumption device too. I can sit it down and watch it, or hold it up while keeping my hands comfortable by adjusting the screen. Once you get the hang of the little analog stick clicking and flicking to pull down menus, scroll, etc. it's pretty great.
The WiFi implementation is superb. It peaks at 300 Mbps on 5 GHz (full 2x2:2 802.11n). The speakers are very loud. I can usually keep my volume set at about 30% when using the device in my house.
The only drawback is that it's pretty heavy. It doesn't really bother me because I'm usually resting my arms on something when I use it, but if you're expecting the weight of a 3DS or Vita, you're going to be disappointed.
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Speaking of the weight, based on the thread title, I was going to respond: It is 1.5 pounds- You can dooo iiiitt!
I am tempted to get this, but might wait for a price drop to $250.... I wish Best Buy stocked these puppies to try out in store.
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Speaking of the weight, based on the thread title, I was going to respond: It is 1.5 pounds- You can dooo iiiitt!
I am tempted to get this, but might wait for a price drop to $250.... I wish Best Buy stocked these puppies to try out in store.
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If you are lucky enough to have a Microcenter near you I believe they have them on display top try out. They did before launch anyway.
Unfortunately no Microcenter and no Gamestop with display for me. But all of the reviews are raving, I can't seem to find one bad review. Except the game streaming is a huge part of the glowing reviews, and since I have a laptop (with a Kepler GPU, so capable) I don't know if I want to gamble on being able to stream down the line. I do like the idea of a Dedicated Android hand held. Using a Moga with my phone just doesn't seem right, plus it kills battery.
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Unfortunately no Microcenter and no Gamestop with display for me. But all of the reviews are raving, I can't seem to find one bad review. Except the game streaming is a huge part of the glowing reviews, and since I have a laptop (with a Kepler GPU, so capable) I don't know if I want to gamble on being able to stream down the line. I do like the idea of a Dedicated Android hand held. Using a Moga with my phone just doesn't seem right, plus it kills battery.
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The Austin area has one at GameStop (as well as me having one)
Made the impulse purchase this morning. Newegg had the case in stock and had a bundle with the shield, case, faceplate, and HDMI cable for 347. Not a bad deal since I wanted the case anyway. Looking forward to using it when mobile GPUs are supported but for now I have some Android games I can't wait to play.
Check out Ebay guys, I just got the cheapest one posted thusfar (you can see all the old auctions by looking at the completed listings in the filters), an in-box shield in great shape which is already in the post for 250 flat, including shipping, and it has the receipt and hasn't had the warranty registered yet.
You may get lucky like me and find one that someone wants gone fast.
I thought about getting one of these things once. I was gonna beat the crap out of someone and take it so I could put it on eBay. ^_^
I am still waiting to get one problem is we need to pay about £55 custom fees to have it shipped to uk.
i have the first Moga controller + S3/S4. Also pair PS Dual Shock controller + S3.
Moga controller pairing is a nightmare.
With an additional controller, it always take time to setup the phone to play, with Shield you just need to open screen and play.
I can say Shield is definitely a much better experience IMO
The emulator runs great, no lag in controls (especially Mario)
I can finally play Dead Trigger with proper controls (weapon selection need a bit of tweak)
Also trying some of the Shield compatible games and was quite satisfied.
And i didn't even consider about the PC streaming feature.
Btw i have 3DS XL and Vita as well
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i have the first Moga controller + S3/S4. Also pair PS Dual Shock controller + S3.
Moga controller pairing is a nightmare.
With an additional controller, it always take time to setup the phone to play, with Shield you just need to open screen and play.
I can say Shield is definitely a much better experience IMO
The emulator runs great, no lag in controls (especially Mario)
I can finally play Dead Trigger with proper controls (weapon selection need a bit of tweak)
Also trying some of the Shield compatible games and was quite satisfied.
And i didn't even consider about the PC streaming feature.
Btw i have 3DS XL and Vita as well
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I have to agree, I never once wanted this for pc streaming. Got it for emulation. Not sure if i like it more than my 3DS but definitely better than my vita. I love mine but their are still people that wont like it because of looks or because it's because it's basically a phone/tablet and controller. I can't think of one thing negative about it. Best emulators in my opinion are DraStic and m64/Super N64 (anything but mupen) My Boy! and Retroarch. Also as far as android games go I like me some Shadow gun dead zone. Needs more levels though. Also I hope an update comes out soon to use the shield controller or emulate the touch screen controls with non-shield optimized games (Minecraft PE, Call of duty Zombies etc.)
I was worried about getting the shield at first aswell.... out of all my retro and new consoles it has been my goto console for the last month.... it me made respect android gaming, there are some really fun console quality games on the play and shield store plus more to come.... can't wait for Dead Trigger 2 to release.
I can emulate my entire retro console library, it has a beautiful retinal screen plus I use miracast adapter to game on my smart tv wirelessly. Plus I use Onlive to stream AAA PC titles..... the shield is a gaming beast.... as of right now it is also my mediahub for music and movies .... since my tv is connected to my sound system.... I sort of use it as my media remote control.... on top of all that it PORTABLE... no handheld right now packs as much power that can be carried around anywhere you go.
Don't think twice just get one, I promise you wont be disappointed.
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I was worried about getting the shield at first aswell.... out of all my retro and new consoles it has been my goto console for the last month.... it me made respect android gaming, there are some really fun console quality games on the play and shield store plus more to come.... can't wait for Dead Trigger 2 to release.
I can emulate my entire retro console library, it has a beautiful retinal screen plus I use miracast adapter to game on my smart tv wirelessly. Plus I use Onlive to stream AAA PC titles..... the shield is a gaming beast.... as of right now it is also my mediahub for music and movies .... since my tv is connected to my sound system.... I sort of use it as my media remote control.... on top of all that it PORTABLE... no handheld right now packs as much power that can be carried around anywhere you go.
Don't think twice just get one, I promise you wont be disappointed.
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What hardware do you use for miracast i want to do something like that wirelessly
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CX5P8FC...pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1770051702&pf_rd_i=507846
Just ordered an Amazon Fire TV, i have 2 Madcatz Mojo and a Ouya 16GB so look for a review comparing all 3 once it arrives on Friday. Close to the same hardware as the mojo but half the price... except its 8GB instead of 16GB for storage. Ouch!! I really hope mojo gets 4.4 and the ouya store before amazon tv gets rooted (its running android) else i'll be jumping ship.
Was just annouced. I just purchased 1 for testing.
Amazon Fire TV:
SOC: Qualcomm Snapdragon 8064
Network: Wifi and 100mb Ethernet
Storage: 8GB
RAM: 2GB
Price: $100
Ouya:
SOC: NVIDIA Tegra 3 Quad-Core
Network: Wifi and 100mb Ethernet
Storage: 8GB
RAM: 1GB
Price: $100
Qualcomm Snapdragon 8064 vs NVIDIA Tegra 3 Quad-Core
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Qualcomm-Snapdragon-S4-Pro-(APQ8064)-vs-Nvidia-Tegra-3-(T33)
Madcatz Mojo:
SOC: NVIDIA Tegra 4 T40S
Network: Wifi and 100mb Ethernet
Storage: 16GB
RAM: 2GB
Price: $200
Qualcomm Snapdragon 8064 vs NVIDIA Tegra 4
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Qualcomm-Snapdragon-S4-Pro-(APQ8064)-vs-Nvidia-Tegra-4
Interesting!
I'm 99.99% sure it's their flavor of android.
I like the tegra zone, just knowing anything there will work with no problems.. I'm sure they'll have something similar.
It blows the Ouya's 2012 hardware out of the water!
MOJO is still the best microconsole
T4, USB3, 16GB, BT4 and CTRLR!
And I think the killer feature for MOJO is en route:
GameStream!
Letting me wire into my network at home, and playing all my PC games (that have controller support of course) on my TV... that's what I dream from this little box (alongside its HTPC capabilities which are flawless right now).
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http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CX5P8FC...pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1770051702&pf_rd_i=507846
Just ordered an Amazon Fire TV, i have 2 Madcatz Mojo and a Ouya 16GB so look for a review comparing all 3 once it arrives on Friday. Close to the same hardware as the mojo but half the price... except its 8GB instead of 16GB for storage. Ouch!! I really hope mojo gets 4.4 and the ouya store before amazon tv gets rooted (its running android) else i'll be jumping ship.
Was just annouced. I just purchased 1 for testing.
Amazon Fire TV:
SOC: Qualcomm Snapdragon 8064
Network: Wifi and 100mb Ethernet
Storage: 8GB
RAM: 2GB
Price: $100
Ouya:
SOC: NVIDIA Tegra 3 Quad-Core
Network: Wifi and 100mb Ethernet
Storage: 8GB
RAM: 1GB
Price: $100
Qualcomm Snapdragon 8064 vs NVIDIA Tegra 3 Quad-Core
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Qualcomm-Snapdragon-S4-Pro-(APQ8064)-vs-Nvidia-Tegra-3-(T33)
Madcatz Mojo:
SOC: NVIDIA Tegra 4 T40S
Network: Wifi and 100mb Ethernet
Storage: 16GB
RAM: 2GB
Price: $200
Qualcomm Snapdragon 8064 vs NVIDIA Tegra 4
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Qualcomm-Snapdragon-S4-Pro-(APQ8064)-vs-Nvidia-Tegra-4
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The SoC in the Amazon Fire is basically a S600. The Tegra 4 is more powerful. If the Amazon Fire was an S800 it could have been more powerful but that's not the case. Also, don't forget to factor in the controlker which brings the Fire price up to 140 vs. 200 for the MOJO. The the better gaming/Android solution in this case is the MOJO in my opinion especially since it has Play Store capability and rooting to enable greater functionality is easy. Especially if you consider that you can easily install the amazon app store on the MOJO but there's no guarantee that the Play Store will ever come to the Amazon Fire (unofficially obviously). If you're more concerned with a streaming solution the Fire is a better option because of all the supported services. It also most likely has better multimedia support. On the other hand from what I read it doesn't have keyboard support at the moment.
So for gaming if you pay for the MOJO it's 60 dollars more and you get twice the storage, an "extra" USB port (if they ever update the OS to free it up) and somewhat more powerful hardware (the GPU is sometimes close two twice as pwerful, other times much less but still more powerful). And I know that on the HTC One Anomaly 2 drops frames which I'm guessing that on the MOJO it happens less or maybe not at all.
If a multimedia player is your priority the Fire is 100 dollars less (sans controller) has better audio codec support AND optical out (which is very important for some).
I think the Fire will be a better consumer experience but the MOJO will provide a better device for gamers and users (not necessarily the "power" ones) willing to put some effort into it (but unless MOJO puts more effort into the software it will never be a hassle free experience/solution).
For the MOJO T40S GPU performance benchmarks compared to the Adreno 320 in the S600 you can check out the Tegra note review on anandtech and compare with the google nexus 7 (2013) with its qualcomm processor. www.anandtech.com/show/7508/nvidia-tegra-note-7-review
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...........Also, don't forget to factor in the controlker which brings the Fire price up to 140 vs. 200 for the MOJO. The the better gaming/Android solution in this case is the MOJO in my opinion especially since it has Play Store capability and rooting to enable greater functionality is easy. Especially if you consider that you can easily install the amazon app store on the MOJO but there's no guarantee that the Play Store will ever come to the Amazon Fire (unofficially obviously). If you're more concerned with a streaming solution the Fire is a better option because of all the supported services. It also most likely has better multimedia support. On the other hand from what I read it doesn't have keyboard support at the moment......
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1) the amazon fire tv also comes with a standard remote that just isnt an option officially on the Mojo, maybe a Mele f10 ($20).
2) Even though Mojo has been "open" there really hasnt been much development. With the numbers that the fire tv is going to sell there will be more development once they achieve root. Koush has even gone on record and bought one.
Why is the Nvidia Shield faster then the Mad Catz M.O.J.O., and sometimes much faster, why do we not have the same Chip-set CPU/GPU?
Is so strange not to use the same speed CPU/GPU.
AmigaWolf said:
Why is the Nvidia Shield faster then the Mad Catz M.O.J.O., and sometimes much faster, why do we not have the same Chip-set CPU/GPU?
Is so strange not to use the same speed CPU/GPU.
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dont hijack the thread, please start your own thread.
AmigaWolf said:
Why is the Nvidia Shield faster then the Mad Catz M.O.J.O., and sometimes much faster, why do we not have the same Chip-set CPU/GPU?
Is so strange not to use the same speed CPU/GPU.
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Your MOJO can run at the same speed!
Just Overclock it a little bit, stand it horizontally.
Or you can overclock it a lot (2Ghz+) and put an USB fan underneath it, to blowing the hot air up.
PS: I haven't done any of this and don't recommend it... maybe in 2 years when the MOJO struggles to keep up
@mejdam
True, hacking community is small, but it's there
It's great that there's more 'microconsoles' more choice :good:
Especially from bigger players.
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dont hijack the thread, please start your own thread.
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What are you talking about?
You were talking about Ouya and Amazon Fire TV and the Mad Catz M.O.J.O. speed and specs differences, and i ask why the Nvidia Shield is
faster then the Mad Catz M.O.J.O. nothing more.
Get off your high horse please, will you.
Madcatz makes official Amazon Fire TV's controller?
WOW madcat have their 'claws' well into microconsoles!
MOJO, Ouya store and now Amazon's Fire TV's official controller?
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-04-02/amazons-fire-tv-piles-into-the-living-room
Owners can play games with either the remote control or Amazon’s Kindle Fire tablet. For customers who prefer a more traditional video-game experience, Amazon said it would separately sell a traditional game controller, manufactured by the San Diego-based Mad Catz Interactive (MCZ), for $40. “Millions of people have game consoles, of course, and they love them,” says Pete Larsen, an Amazon vice president. “Many, many millions more don’t have consoles, and they don’t have them because they can’t afford them or they don’t want to pay for them. They would love to play games on TV.”
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Looking at it, it does look a bit like the CTRLR (no switch mouse/PC modes), but with all the buttons/triggers/sticks and includes a microphone for voice search. Interesting angular body design too.
I recognise that Dpad anywhere!
http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/02/amazon-fire-tv-game-controller/
"AA batteries"
"Intelligent power management with auto-sleep."
Getting good reviews too:
http://www.amazon.com/Amazon-53-000...dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
@Mad Catz Nate, is it MOJO compatible? is it BT4?
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The Shield being the better overall device hijacks it by default
Faster
Better controller, plus the option of using what you want
Built in very good speakers
Oh, and it is portable with great battery life
For $200 getting both a home console and portable device.
Now THAT is hijacking
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The Shield being the better overall device hijacks it by default
Faster
Better controller, plus the option of using what you want
Built in very good speakers
Oh, and it is portable with great battery life
For $200 getting both a home console and portable device.
Now THAT is hijacking
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Nice hijacking!
But the shield is NOT A MICRO-CONSOLE, it's a portable with TV out.. kinda like a tablet & a BYO controller, have fun setting that up every time!
Better controller.. hahah
The CTRLR can do what the shield does (being a portable) with a phone/tablet and do it better (fullsize controller, newer SoC's)
Faster.. lol it's the same SoC.. the mojo can be over clocked.. just put on it side and the heat raises.
How's your fan noise and your tinny 5inch screen?
Hey check out my 7inch CTRLR Shield killer!!!
I just ordered 2 more CTRLR's on amazon.. looking forward!
IMO the Shield will be remembered like the PSP-GO.. hahah yeah remember that one?
Sorry buddy, you picked the right race.. but you backed the wrong horse
I've been very pleased with my MOJO and enjoy all of it's capabilities thoroughly. MOJO is a better gaming console than the Fire and rooting it will not void any warranties. I never considered buying the Fire and bought the MOJO a week before it came out. As for the Shield, I looked into it a bit, but it didn't fit my needs. I needed a dedicated console for media, android gaming and emulation. This is where the MOJO fills all my needs. I have a tablet if I want a portable gaming device and the Shield would require another controller if plugged into the television. Hooking up and unhooking all the time wouldn't be all that desirable for my wall mounted television. The MOJO fits snuggly behind it out of view. We could go on and on about which device one thinks is better than another, but in the end I think it really depends on what you want to use your device for, and for me, the MOJO fills my needs.
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Nice hijacking!
But the shield is NOT A MICRO-CONSOLE, it's a portable with TV out.. kinda like a tablet & a BYO controller, have fun setting that up every time!
Better controller.. hahah
The CTRLR can do what the shield does (being a portable) with a phone/tablet and do it better (fullsize controller, newer SoC's)
Faster.. lol it's the same SoC.. the mojo can be over clocked.. just put on it side and the heat raises.
How's your fan noise and your tinny 5inch screen?
Hey check out my 7inch CTRLR Shield killer!!!
I just ordered 2 more CTRLR's on amazon.. looking forward!
IMO the Shield will be remembered like the PSP-GO.. hahah yeah remember that one?
Sorry buddy, you picked the right race.. but you backed the wrong horse
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Sorry to say but the NVIDIA Shield is MUCH more popular then this (M.O.J.O.) device, just look at NewEgg.com and Amazone.com.
The NVIDIA Shield has a special made JoyPad Keymapper so that almost all the games works on it, the Mad Catz M.O.J.O. does not, so only a few
games work good, you have to use third party software to have JoyPad keymapping on the M.O.J.O., and they do not work as good as your own
keymapper software (App).
The NVIDIA Shield has Android 4.4 Kitkat, the M.O.J.O. does not have that, and there is still no news when we are getting it.
The NVIDIA Shield has a fan so he wil not get hot (or overheat) the M.O.J.O. does not have a fan and can get very hot, and can freeze every time, more
people has this problem: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2712067
On the NVIDIA Shield you can stream games from cloud (GRID CLOUD GAMING) is not on the M.O.J.O.
And i can go on and on, so he backed up the right horse.
gwaldo said:
Nice hijacking!
But the shield is NOT A MICRO-CONSOLE, it's a portable with TV out.. kinda like a tablet & a BYO controller, have fun setting that up every time!
Better controller.. hahah
The CTRLR can do what the shield does (being a portable) with a phone/tablet and do it better (fullsize controller, newer SoC's)
Faster.. lol it's the same SoC.. the mojo can be over clocked.. just put on it side and the heat raises.
How's your fan noise and your tinny 5inch screen?
Hey check out my 7inch CTRLR Shield killer!!!
I just ordered 2 more CTRLR's on amazon.. looking forward!
IMO the Shield will be remembered like the PSP-GO.. hahah yeah remember that one?
Sorry buddy, you picked the right race.. but you backed the wrong horse
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Actually, on top of AmigaWolf's points, Shield has a console mode to behave exactly like a console
1 Put in console mode
2 Plug up HDMI
3 Choose to use the Shield controller or the bluetooth controller of your choice. Mouse and keyboard too.
You do not even need to use console mode unless you want to use another controller.
Shield seems no contest compared to any current micro console due to the huge option of also being portable with great battery life. Also games that need some touch function can be mapped
to use the controllers with Shield. Apps like DrasticDS and other touch centric apps can be easily mapped, or just use the built in touch function with the display.
This horse won before the race started Very good $200 bet.
If a dedicated portable gaming devices is so great, why amazon/google/etc/etc not do one?
I think the market for dedicated portable gaming devices is becoming smaller thanks to mobiles/tablets.
They do what the shield does and better because they don't lock you in to the hardware, ie your 5inch screen on a T4.
Like I said the MOJO has a great controller which works on desktops and Android plus it has a holder for your phone/tablet (ie what shield does with better soc's).
@AmigaWolf your the only one on here TMK that had overheating issue.
NVIDIA has vast more experience working with android, MC doesn't.. so the kitkat/mapper, etc, etc delays is to be expected.
The shield is just a portable (with TV out) but not a micro-console.
Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if the Shield 2 (K1) is not a hand-held portable but.... a micro-console!!!! yes like the MOJO, OUYA, FIRE etc, etc. lol
Edit: and bundled/optional with a MC controller like TV Fire
gwaldo said:
If a dedicated portable gaming devices is so great, why amazon/google/etc/etc not do one?
I think the market for dedicated portable gaming devices is becoming smaller thanks to mobiles/tablets.
They do what the shield does and better because they don't lock you in to the hardware, ie your 5inch screen on a T4.
Like I said the MOJO has a great controller which works on desktops and Android plus it has a holder for your phone/tablet (ie what shield does with better soc's).
@AmigaWolf your the only one on here TMK that had overheating issue.
NVIDIA has vast more experience working with android, MC doesn't.. so the kitkat/mapper, etc, etc delays is to be expected.
The shield is just a portable (with TV out) but not a micro-console.
Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if the Shield 2 (K1) is not a hand-held portable but.... a micro-console!!!! yes like the MOJO, OUYA, FIRE etc, etc. lol
Edit: and bundled/optional with a MC controller like TV Fire
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Sorry to say but i can buy a great controller which works on desktops and Android plus it has a holder for your phone/tablet, like the Moga controllers, and
many more.
I am the only one which had overheating issue? have you seen my post, 3 other people have it on MY post, but i don't care, i gone go with a different
Android TV BOX (they payed back the money that the M.O.J.O. cost), and i think i gone go with the Android TV BOX that have a Rockchip RK3288, and
that chipset is gone have a ARM Cortex-A17 2.0GHz processor and Mali T628 GPU and it has H.265/HEVC support for 4K2K videos, and HDMI 2.0 for 4K
@ 60 fps video output, and Gigabit Ethernet.
But this (M.O.J.O.) would be a great Android TV BOX if it had also a remote controller, and a ON and OFF button, and Read and Write support for NTFS
formatted Hard drives, and XBMC preinstalled like the Tronsmart Vega S89, that has Dolby Digital (AC3) 5.1 and DTS 5.1 and DTS-HD HRA 5.1 and
DTS-HD MA 5.1 HDMI passthrough.
And of cores a control mapper like the NVIDIA SHIELD, with the NVIDIA SHIELD it automatically downloads the mapped controls for that particular game.
Now it is just a Half-baked Android TV BOX, and you have to do to much to get everything working, and a lot of Apps won't work because you first have to
Root him, and thats to hard to do for the normal people that just don't know how all that work, they just want to buy a machine that has everything already,
now it's to much work, and thats also one of the biggest reason most people won't buy this Android TV BOX.
If that all was made correct the first time, this Android TV BOX would be a great BOX.
Mad Catz could have learned so much from NVIDIA Shield if they just looked and waited how they have done it.
The Shield is not even in the same category. You are talking about a portable handheld with a screen, batteries that are not replacable (or easily replacable) and it is not a set top box. Did you buy the Shield yet by the way? I hope so. This way you can migrate to the Shield forums and whine about the issues with that device
Oh no, I see you went with a Rockchip device instead. I see why you are so upset now.....I feel for you. That chipset sucks. You are probably able to do one third of what you can do with a Tegra device. You are not relying on that thing on a daily basis, are you? Just don't push it that hard and you might be able to use it to play some MP3 files.
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The Shield is not even in the same category. You are talking about a portable handheld with a screen, batteries that are not replacable (or easily replacable) and it is not a set top box. Did you buy the Shield yet by the way? I hope so. This way you can migrate to the Shield forums and whine about the issues with that device
Oh no, I see you went with a Rockchip device instead. I see why you are so upset now.....I feel for you. That chipset sucks. You are probably able to do one third of what you can do with a Tegra device. You are not relying on that thing on a daily basis, are you? Just don't push it that hard and you might be able to use it to play some MP3 files.
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I know it's hard to hear the truth, i feel for you i really do.
Thank you very much for your kind words:silly:
OP can you test the amazon remote that comes with the fire TV on the mojo and ouya? I'm looking to get either the mojo or ouya after sending my fire TV back but would like to know if the simplified remote will work with either one. I wouldn't want to use the controller for media playback also to keep it simple for the kids to use.
There are many reasons to buy the device, but here are some of the highlights:
1. Runs stock Android. Not some heavily secured or modified version as seen on the FireTV, Ouya, etc
2. Rooting does NOT void your warranty. The company (Mad Catz) actually EMBRACES it!
3. It is bar non the most powerful Android set top box available today. No other cheap knockoff compares.
4. It contains the well renowned Nvidia Tegra 4 processor and all of the power that comes with it.
5. The controller is a nice, solid piece of equipment equivalent to a Xbox 360 controller
6. It has USB 3.0 (very few tv boxes have this)
7. It handles a slew of addons. I have a 7-port USB 3 hub, 2TB hard drive, two USB controllers, wireless mouse and keyboard.
8. It's more than just a game console. It has literally become my PC. It is that powerful!
9. It has nothing to do with "Amiga and Wolves". Actually, there is a UAE emulator, so it does have something to do with the Amiga...so that is ok. As long as it has nothing to do with the prior
10. It is priced *right* at $199. Once you realize how versatile this device is, it is a bargain. I almost want a second one as a spare, but will wait to see if any K1 boxes come out in the future.
There are many more reasons of course, but that is my top ten list. Great device!
I agree..
But lately I bought my second CTRLR and would say that the CTRLR is actually the best part of MOJO!
As time goes on, others are catching up with the mojo's specs... while the CTRLR is really unique.
Im no order:
1. Travel clip for your mobile (better then the shield IMHO)
2. Mouse mode is really excellent, especially compared to other consoles that dont have it
3. PC/Mac gamepad, including mouse mood.. I use mine as a wireless mouse and yes media keys work!
4. Great battery life and AAA is good because i have rechargables for remotes
5. Excellent build quality
6. Media keys.. Works great and i can use then without looking
7. BT4 ready for new devices
I think the MOJO is a good stational alternative to Shield but then the price is a little high cuz you get the same hardware in a mobile device for the same price.
If they would reduce the price to at least $150, I'd think about buying one to replace my Ouya.
Honestly, I've stopped using mine. I'll sell it for $150. It's rooted, of course.
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Honestly, I've stopped using mine. I'll sell it for $150. It's rooted, of course.
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Can I ask why you stopped using your MOJO? Just curious.
Gaming is the main reason why you should buy a MOJO. Great for emulation and certain android games. The selection of games isn't bad, I mean how many android games can you play at a time? There is plenty of material of solid games that can take up quite a bit of time. Media playback is mediocre for me. Price is too high for what you get. I agree with gwaldo, the controller is awesome. If kit Kat comes and ouya store comes and some bug fixes come, i'd say its a great system. I would however need a replacement if I were to get rid of it, because I love the android on big screen and mojo does well with it overall. It's by far my fastest android I have. Just needs some fine tuning and I hope it comes
I wanted a streaming media giant that played all my console games... The experience is less than ideal streaming media-wise with the MOJO. I dunno...I still use it for game emulation sometimes, but it has been at least a month. I love the controller, though.
I actually bought a Note PRO 12.2, and since then I spend more time on it than any other device. I have it paired with a keyboard and controller so it does everything I wanted the MOJO for except Tegra 4...which I am living without. It's like having my own TV and my wife can't change the show on Netflix or make me turn my game off. The SPen is the icing on the cake, really.
After spending forever trying to sell my Ouya, I finally pawned it off on some unsuspecting broker for $30. Not the best, but better than collecting dust. Now I'm looking to move on to something better. What would you guys recommend for a replacement that does both gaming and video fairly well? I'm open to anything. Thanks!
The new Razer forge looks very interesting.
http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-forge-tv
Also anything with RK3288 chip looks interesting at a nice price point (£70/$100) on Amazon.
If you really want to push the boat out there are a few AW A80 tv boxes to be had on Amazon, they are coming in at around £120/$160.
Just a matter of doing some homework before you decide on which would suit your needs best.
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The new Razer forge looks very interesting.
http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-forge-tv
Also anything with RK3288 chip looks interesting at a nice price point (£70/$100) on Amazon.
If you really want to push the boat out there are a few AW A80 tv boxes to be had on Amazon, they are coming in at around £120/$160.
Just a matter of doing some homework before you decide on which would suit your needs best.
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I'm keeping an eye on the Razer Forge as well. I considered the Fire TV, but it is under-spec'd now. I'll keep my Ouya on a spare TV or something, still works great with Plex, sideloaded WatchESPN, and rooting/sideloading Google Play opened it up a bit more too.
Search eBay for an Android ADT-1 and get the best deal you can find. I just got one for $120. It's more powerful (Tegra 4, 2GB RAM, 16GB internal, USB input and Ethernet port) than the Fire TV and the Nexus Player. That Razer Forge TV does look pretty cool (great specs), but I'd hold off until you see how unofficial development goes along - if I can get one with the controller for less than $150 I'd jump on it too.
Have the ADT 1 and Mojo. The ADT1 is pretty sharp with the latest update. The Mojo is a nice box but needs a mod to get the most out of it. I am waiting for Google to get caught up with the competitors for programming? The ADT1 runs XBMC (Kodi) great best I've seen yet! The Razer Forge does not seem to offer anything over the ADT1 specs are close? Would like to see a K or X nvidia powered box??
Maybe a Alibaba Ouya 2?:laugh:
I just went for the tronsmart r 28 (beelink box). Rk3288 chipset, comes pre rooted and works well with the ouya remote. Threw a custom ROM (wasser) on there and a nice blocky launcher. Kodi runs super sweet and with the ouya apks on there I can even play duck game and tower fall with the kids .
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sorry for off-topic^^
which launcher do you use?
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sorry for off-topic^^
which launcher do you use?
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I use a slightly modified version of the beelink launcher
http://www.freaktab.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8485&d=1413963194
Quite an interesting thread discussing launchers here:
http://www.freaktab.com/showthread.php?17329-Tv-Box-Launchers-RK3288
If you are after my modified launcher just drop me a pm and I will get the apk to you.
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Have the ADT 1 and Mojo. The ADT1 is pretty sharp with the latest update. The Mojo is a nice box but needs a mod to get the most out of it. I am waiting for Google to get caught up with the competitors for programming? The ADT1 runs XBMC (Kodi) great best I've seen yet! The Razer Forge does not seem to offer anything over the ADT1 specs are close? Would like to see a K or X nvidia powered box??
Maybe a Alibaba Ouya 2?:laugh:
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I have the adt-1 too. Was really debating the firetv or the madcatz mojo. Those madcatz ctrlr controllers r slick.
There are not enough games out there for Android tv yet. But it definitely flies fast with ethernet.
I really hope in a few months we see more development and apps.
If you use the adt or nexus player, you'll see how easy it is to tinker. Just get on chrome browser on phone and launch Google play website. U can install es file Explorer and the rest is easy.
I do think it sucks that there's only like 20 games. Why aren't there more available?
This also makes an awesome emulator too...
There are a lot of games that work if you send them to the ADT-1 rather than search the Play Store. The main reason is likely due to there not being a ton of developer with Android TV boxes (yet). Give it a little time, they'll get on board, especially when actual Android TV's start picking up steam (and when Nvidia's console launches).
Looking for a Kodi box plus emulation
Can the box run Dreamcast/PS1/PSP /N64 games well?
Should I chose the new firebox or an Intel atom cherry trail small media center
All I can say to this is I absolutely love my MOJO and would not replace it. But (there's always a but!) it can be a tough console to love and requires a bit of effort to get what you want from it. That said I would not change it and have even considered buying another as a back up.
Ultimately it does depend on what you want from it.
For me it's a brilliant one-stop place for my movies and games. I use KODI but I don't stream with it (though I am led to believe the box does this well) but instead have my personal media on an external drive along with my retro games. I flashed the console with UJD's Cyanogenmod 12.1 and have tailored it further still with the Top TV Launcher from the Play store. There have been some minor bumps along the way but I have resolved everything that I had problems with.
I would recommend not paying too much for one now if it can be avoided. I paid £60 brand new for mine and that is about right considering the required effort needed to get it running sweetly. I certainly wouldn't pay over £100 that some are trying to charge on eBay for second hand units.
As for emulation it is imho the best box I have bought for it. Some of the emus need a bit of work but they won't suffer because of anything the MOJO does wrong. N64 runs extremely well on both Retroarch and Mupen FZ Edition. I also recently installed Drastic which is amazing too. Dreamcast emulation is very old but still runs OK via Reicast. PSX is spot on, though I haven't tried PSP. The only downside with emulation here is the D-pad on the CTRLR. It is very stiff. I've gotten used to it but occasionally on fighting games it drives me nuts!
Wow fantastic response they are going for £60 ATM
Roughly same as fire box TV ,
Also could add extra and get a Intel atom cherry trail for £80
Nvidia shield is the bee knees but is around 150 which I don't have.
I'd say no, support for it is pretty much dead and current custom roms are fairly buggy.
I've had no issues with CM 12.1 personally. It has been extremely stable and problem free for me. The only thing I've heard is Netflix doesn't work, but I don't need that myself. If you do use it, you may wish to consider something else. Similarly, I don't have a 4K set, just a fairly standard 1080p TV. I don't know how the MOJO works with 4K, and I suspect you'd need to look elsewhere for that.
I came to this box from the OUYA, the Raspberry Pi (3), and I also had a Minix Neo U1. They are all compromises one way or the other. Even the Nvidia Shield is in some ways. Stuff may work on one but not the other, options may be available on that box but not on the other box. The compromises with the MOJO worked out better for me than the compromises the other boxes offered.
I'm not trying to convince you to buy one. If you have the money I'd say get the Shield as people seem to love it, and the MOJO is not a Shield replacement. What it is to me is a great game console and media player that I have tailored to suit me over time, and at this point I would not swap it out for anything else.
Just got the mojo on ebay for 35 delivered
So looks like it should be coming Tuesday.
Cm12 best option
CM 12.1 I would say personally, but you might want to try them all and see which works best for you. You can't really brick the MOJO once the recovery is installed. The files you'll need are around the forums somewhere. You might like the stock OS, who knows?
£35 all in? That's absolutely excellent. Even if you don't like it, for that price you can sell it on again and not lose anything.
I personally followed this guide to install the OS. It says it's for Remix but it helps with all of them. If you have any trouble I'm sure a good search around here will set you on your path. Chances are someone else will have experienced the same problem and posted here.
Once it's installed, first thing I would do is install a shutdown button as otherwise you'll just be unplugging to switch it off. I hate that myself, it can't be any good for the system. I use Quick Reboot Pro, but I think there's a free version. Also as I mentioned before I would try Top TV Launcher too. Many people do not like the stock Android interface on their TV's. I don't either tbh but I could cope with it, but Top TV Launcher is much better and nicely customisable once you know how it works. If you do decide to use CM 12.1, root is in the developer options.
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CM 12.1 I would say personally, but you might want to try them all and see which works best for you. You can't really brick the MOJO once the recovery is installed. The files you'll need are around the forums somewhere. You might like the stock OS, who knows?
£35 all in? That's absolutely excellent. Even if you don't like it, for that price you can sell it on again and not lose anything.
I personally followed this guide to install the OS. It says it's for Remix but it helps with all of them. If you have any trouble I'm sure a good search around here will set you on your path. Chances are someone else will have experienced the same problem and posted here.
Once it's installed, first thing I would do is install a shutdown button as otherwise you'll just be unplugging to switch it off. I hate that myself, it can't be any good for the system. I use Quick Reboot Pro, but I think there's a free version. Also as I mentioned before I would try Top TV Launcher too. Many people do not like the stock Android interface on their TV's. I don't either tbh but I could cope with it, but Top TV Launcher is much better and nicely customisable once you know how it works. If you do decide to use CM 12.1, root is in the developer options.
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Yes £25 pound won the bid but a tenner postage and packaging.
Thank you for the tips
Is it easy enough to add extra controllers i.e Xbox pad (i have adapter) and Bluetooth pads
Looking forward to Mario kart and fzero
You can add other pads for two player but to be honest you'll be using the CTRLR as the main controller for the system. You'll likely be better off with Bluetooth pads for multi player gaming (though the only one of those I've tried is the retail CTRLR) as the stock pad included uses up one of the two USB ports provided. This can be a pain if you use the other USB for storage, so you'll have to use a Bluetooth pad as a second controller rather than a wired one. Also I would note that the SD card slot is only really useful for installing OS's. If you try to use it when your new OS is installed it will mess up your wifi (i.e - it won't work). Just reserve the SD card slot for installation purposes only and don't use it as storage. It's a shame but there it is. Unless you stick with the stock OS where I believe it works fine.
Thanks for the heads up so if i want to add external storage another usb way is the way forward.
Yes that would be my recommendation. On mine I have the stock CTRLR in one USB (the 3.0 one) and my external 2Tb hard drive in the other. I've recently started using my retail CTRLR and this does not require a dongle. It's freed up a USB port but I don't really have anything to plug into it anyway beyond a wired pad for two player games.
I hope you enjoy it tbh, but I know people have been this way before and really disliked it. A lot of this was to do with the stock Android OS on a big TV, which is why I recommended the TV launcher above. But also a lot of folks just didn't like having to deal with it in such a manual way. Like I say I paid £60 for mine so could afford to be philosophical about it, as can you I suppose at £30. I suppose those who paid £200 upwards won't be as forgiving, and I would not have been either all told.
Well maybe i have bought a dud my own fault for not reading listing ,
As it was sold as used and not for spares or repairs
Unable to copy and paste but basically the seller maybe from here as apprantly he's gone to flash android tv and basically the unit goes into some sort of boot loop , he mentions 4 coloured balls.
Can I recover this ?
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Well maybe i have bought a dud my own fault for not reading listing ,
As it was sold as used and not for spares or repairs
Unable to copy and paste but basically the seller maybe from here as apprantly he's gone to flash android tv and basically the unit goes into some sort of boot loop , he mentions 4 coloured balls.
Can I recover this ?
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You most likely can recover this, unless it's a hardware issue. Search through the forums, there is a key combo to get into the recovery menu from boot up... it's something like CTRL-ALT-PRNT SCREEN-I. Failing that there is also the USB AtoA cable which will put you into fastboot mode on bootup, from there you can flash it with whatever you like.
Personally i like the Remix OS image... very stable, everything works including Netflix... I use my MOJO as a Moonlight streaming device that i stream all my Steam games to my TV with, then play from the comfort of my couch :victory:
Enjoy!
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Well maybe i have bought a dud my own fault for not reading listing ,
As it was sold as used and not for spares or repairs
Unable to copy and paste but basically the seller maybe from here as apprantly he's gone to flash android tv and basically the unit goes into some sort of boot loop , he mentions 4 coloured balls.
Can I recover this ?
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AH! This may be the same listing I was following for a short time. Yes the owner had tried to flash it himself but got stuck with it and didn't know what to do next. I was going to buy it as a backup (I've always got my eye out for a backup!).
It could be a hardware fault but personally I'll be amazed if you can't rescue it one way or the other. The MOJO is incredibly friendly to users and is (I'm told) difficult to actually brick. Unless it is a hardware issue, I don't think you'll have any bother installing TWRP recovery and then installing your chosen OS. There are more than enough quality guides on this site as long as you follow them closely.
I did try Remix myself and loved it. I would have stuck with it, but unfortunately it did not play nicely with my NTFS formatted 2Tb external drive. I had to install Paragon NTFS, but even then when playing back my media files using KODI the playback was a mess of jitter and stutter. No such issue with CM 12.1 - it recognises the drive no problem and playback is silky smooth. YMMV.