Just a heads up to anyone that plans on purchasing one. I just checked how much free memory I had and it's 52.3GB for a 64GB BN. I'm not complaining, but I feel it's a little deceptive to market a phone with that big of a difference in free memory.
Using simple math, one can infer that 32GB will yield 20.3GB of data. So just a heads up, if you feel that's all you need, get a 32GB one, but I'm glad I went with the 64GB one.
Where is all that memory coming from though? I thought Motorola stripped down their OS a lot. Oh well, hopefully we'll get root and get some of that memory back soon.
Loving the phone so far though.
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32 GB Turbo Memory
The 32 GB has 24 GB of user accessible memory. The OS only takes 8.37 GB of memory on the phone. About the same as every 32 GB Android I have owned and on par with iPhone and Windows Phones and Tablets.
Methinks you guys are miataking storage space for memory.
The phone only has 3GB memory in total
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Methinks you guys are miataking storage space for memory.
The phone only has 3GB memory in total
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The phone uses flash MEMORY as storage. Memory is a correct term. The phone also has 3GB of RAM.
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The phone uses flash MEMORY as storage. Memory is a correct term. The phone also has 3GB of RAM.
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Disagree.
Yes it IS memory, but so is an SSD on a computer (or a spinny hard drive, or even a floppy disk, if you get technical about it.
Computer terminology (and since phones these days are essentially small computers, it applies to them as well) distinguishes between volatile System RAM, for which "Memory" is a common acceptable short hand, and slower long term stable storage (like hard drives, SSD's, or other forms of flash storage) for which a number of short hands exist, like "Drive Space", "Storage Space" etc. etc, but never ever "Memory", as it refers specifically to volatile system RAM.
It makes you sound like a grandmother with 0 technical understanding.
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Disagree.
Yes it IS memory, but so is an SSD on a computer (or a spinny hard drive, or even a floppy disk, if you get technical about it.
Computer terminology (and since phones these days are essentially small computers, it applies to them as well) distinguishes between volatile System RAM, for which "Memory" is a common acceptable short hand, and slower long term stable storage (like hard drives, SSD's, or other forms of flash storage) for which a number of short hands exist, like "Drive Space", "Storage Space" etc. etc, but never ever "Memory", as it refers specifically to volatile system RAM.
It makes you sound like a grandmother with 0 technical understanding.
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There's no need for rude or belittling comments.
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It's funny how nobody has actually addressed the issue yet, and just argued over terminology. I, too, thought it was ridiculous how much space was already accounted for out of the box. Even my old crappy S4 used only about 6gb compared to the 11.7 gb of the Turbo. But then again, I was only left 9.5 gb on the S4, whereas here I have 52 gb. Thankful I went with the 64 too.
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There's no need for rude or belittling comments.
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My apologies, I did not mean to imply that anyone WAS a grandmother without technical understanding, just that these phrases SOUND like something someone like that would say.
You know like "Your grandfather bought me Turbotax at Staples but I can't install it because my computer is out of memory"
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It's funny how nobody has actually addressed the issue yet, and just argued over terminology.
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You are right. Dropping it and moving back on topic.
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ahaynes42 said:
I, too, thought it was ridiculous how much space was already accounted for out of the box. Even my old crappy S4 used only about 6gb compared to the 11.7 gb of the Turbo. But then again, I was only left 9.5 gb on the S4, whereas here I have 52 gb. Thankful I went with the 64 too.
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I agree here. I was a little disappointed in this regard.
Not quite sure what is accounting for all that space. I mean, the amount of preinstalled garbage (Verizon anything, Amazon everything, NFL app??? Really?, Audible, IMDB, HP print, Slacker, Hindi/Korean/Pinyin keyboards & input, etc. etc.) was a real disappointment, especially after the MotoX's reputation as a near Nexus device.
I disabled all that garbage (as well as the Google Play Music/newsstand/pcasa uploader, etc.) I will never use. we really don't need special Verizon voicemail/messenger, etc apps either.
An ideal phone should come with base Android, Gapps (including google play app store, but excluding music/video/news/book stores, etc.) no handset manufacturer, or carrier installed applications, and CERTAINLY no unwanted third party apps, like Amazon, Audible, NFL, etc. etc. and an unmodified Android launcher.
Don't get me wrong, while I have never come across a useful carrier app, some of the manufacturer apps and widgets are actually decent, and I like to use them. They shouldn't be preinstalled and unremovable though. Maybe a popup on first launch after a wipe, asking if you want to install them from the App store would be the best route to deal with this.
All that being said, I still struggle to understand where all the space is going. These apps - while annoying - don't account for all the missing space. I wonder what Verizon/Motorola has put on there anyway that is wasting all that space.
For me, it likely won't be an issue. I'm not a heavy disk space user on my phones (my last LG G2 was a 32GB model, and I never had less than 24GB free up until I replaced it) but it still bugs me, as I should have the option to use much more of it, if I ever need to.
I had hoped for this phone to be one I didn't have to go with custom ROM's on, but unfortunately I am guessing that will have to be the case once again.
A bootloader unlocker and custom recovery installer for this phone can't come soon enough.
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My apologies, I did not mean to imply that anyone WAS a grandmother without technical understanding, just that these phrases SOUND like something someone like that would say.
You know like "Your grandfather bought me Turbotax at Staples but I can't install it because my computer is out of memory"
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Actually the comment was directed right at me. Completely uncalled for even if you didn't " mean to imply ". Anyways, you wanna get into technicalities, I called it memory because it's called a ROM. But anyways back to the topic. How much space does an AOSP require?
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Anyways, you wanna get into technicalities, I called it memory because it's called a ROM.
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Well, technically that is a misnomer as well, unless you have a very loose definition of "Read Only", but i digress.
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But anyways back to the topic. How much space does an AOSP require?
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Been doing some googling on this, and it has been surprisingly difficult to find an answer to what seemingly should be an easy question.
Part of that is because different android images have different approaches to how they report free storage. Some (like the Droid Turbo default image) reports it all with Internal Storage, giving you an itemized category for Android OS (8.37GB in our case) others neglect this all together, and list total storage as total drive size - size used by image
Will keep googling and see what I come across.
Chiming in here to say that I don't think the fact that the phone is advertised as 64GB is misleading. Every phone has less space available than what is advertised, especially when there is no SD card.
That said, what is misleading, in my opinion, is that hard drives are advertised as 1TB or 2TB when they aren't that size. In the case of a hard drive or flash drive, there is no OS on them, so the space advertised should be what you get. Advertising is done in base 10, while computers work in base 2, meaning you are getting less space. This is a lot more blatant than what is happening with phones where it is implied that the OS takes up space.
At any rate, comparing this device's available space to another, especially from another carrier/manufacturer/Android version doesn't do much good. They are all different for different reasons. Samsung and Motorola have their own custom stuff baked into their Android version, and the carriers the phones are on come with their own bloat. Can't really compare the two.
The point I was trying to make is that roughly 20% of the phone's storage is used for the OS. And seeing as there is no sd card that's pretty significant. Not every average Joe knows this. I wasn't expecting it to be that large, but I don't keep up on how much space ROMS require. I'm just trying to give people a heads up if they want to buy this phone.
I completely agree about hard drives though. It's very deceptive.
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I'm fairly certain, not 100% sure on this though, that when you install a ROM, or in this case when the factory installs the ROM, It creates partitions for the the System, Data, and Cache.
The system, or OS, probably takes up only about 1GB or less but then depending on how many apps came preloaded on the system partition that can increase drastically.
Then you have the data partition where any of your 3rd party apps are installed and any data used for that app is saved. This could be a lot larger than the system partition, I'd guess around 5GB or maybe more. (In the case of a 64GB they probably increased the size of it to allow you to have more apps installed)
Finally there's the cache partition which is used for running any apps or processes. The larger the data partition the larger this could be. Guessing again, around 3GB.
The rest of the space, the space you see as 54GB remaining, is left to the user.
From my knowledge, those three partitions account for the 11GB used
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There are several partitions on this phone. The data partition is 52.3GB in size, the rest is devoted to /dev, /system, /cache, etc. Ignoring the obvious duplicate mount points for the user data partition, added up it's over 62 gigs in space in the list. So, the ~52 gigs of free space makes sense given the partition layout on this phone.
Filesystem Size Used Free Blksize
/dev 1.4G 128.0K 1.4G 4096
/sys/fs/cgroup 1.4G 12.0K 1.4G 4096
/mnt/asec 1.4G 0.0K 1.4G 4096
/mnt/obb 1.4G 0.0K 1.4G 4096
/system 3.2G 1.5G 1.7G 4096
/data 52.3G 8.1G 44.2G 4096
/cache 1.4G 2.4M 1.4G 4096
/firmware 122.0M 76.8M 45.1M 4096
/fsg 684.0K 683.0K 1.0K 1024
/persist 928.0K 216.0K 712.0K 4096
/mnt/shell/emulated 52.3G 8.1G 44.2G 4096
/storage/emulated/legacy 52.3G 8.1G 44.2G 4096
fury683 said:
That said, what is misleading, in my opinion, is that hard drives are advertised as 1TB or 2TB when they aren't that size. In the case of a hard drive or flash drive, there is no OS on them, so the space advertised should be what you get. Advertising is done in base 10, while computers work in base 2, meaning you are getting less space. This is a lot more blatant than what is happening with phones where it is implied that the OS takes up space.
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I would agree with this, but unfortunately IEC made this legit in the 90's and redefined kilobyte (and megabyte, and gigabyte and terabyte, etc.) as 10 base, rather than the traditional 1024 binary base used in memory.
Now if you want to talk binary base in storage, you are supposedly supposed to use the kibi, mebi, gibi and tebi prefixes, abbreviated as KiB, MiB, GiB, and TiB, rather than KB, MB, GB, and TB.
It's a farce, but it is what it is.
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There are several partitions on this phone. The data partition is 52.3GB in size, the rest is devoted to /dev, /system, /cache, etc. Ignoring the obvious duplicate mount points for the user data partition, added up it's over 62 gigs in space in the list. So, the ~52 gigs of free space makes sense given the partition layout on this phone.
Filesystem Size Used Free Blksize
/dev 1.4G 128.0K 1.4G 4096
/sys/fs/cgroup 1.4G 12.0K 1.4G 4096
/mnt/asec 1.4G 0.0K 1.4G 4096
/mnt/obb 1.4G 0.0K 1.4G 4096
/system 3.2G 1.5G 1.7G 4096
/data 52.3G 8.1G 44.2G 4096
/cache 1.4G 2.4M 1.4G 4096
/firmware 122.0M 76.8M 45.1M 4096
/fsg 684.0K 683.0K 1.0K 1024
/persist 928.0K 216.0K 712.0K 4096
/mnt/shell/emulated 52.3G 8.1G 44.2G 4096
/storage/emulated/legacy 52.3G 8.1G 44.2G 4096
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Interesting.
Do you know how aftermarket images handle this? Do they typically repartition the storage, or keep it as is?
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Interesting.
Do you know how aftermarket images handle this? Do they typically repartition the storage, or keep it as is?
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I've never paid close attention to every custom rom I've ever flashed, but this partition layout is definitely different than the 4.4.4 SkimKat rom I had on my Galaxy S3, so I imagine the partitioning is up to the rom maker (within certain bounds dictated by Android's requirements, of course).
Hi,
I have a moto maxx with 64gb advertised memory but i only have 49 gb free space available for me. In computers, when you buy a 1 terabyte hard drive and format it, you get about 903 gb of user available free space. So the %10 is already lost in the beginning. That leaves me with 64 - 6.5 = 57.5
57.5 - 49 = 8.5 gb which is the space used by motorola. We only get 49 gb free. In the xiaomi mi note pro, you get 54gb user available space. iphone 6 have 56gb of user available space. Even the samsung s6 offers 50gb of free space for the user with their billions of bloatware. I dont get why we get lower than s6 64gb when we are supposed to have Bloatfree aosp android. To me it looks like motorola engineers didn't even bother to optimize user available space for us. Lazy motorola engineers !
Semseddin said:
Hi,
I have a moto maxx with 64gb advertised memory but i only have 49 gb free space available for me. In computers, when you buy a 1 terabyte hard drive and format it, you get about 903 gb of user available free space. So the %10 is already lost in the beginning. That leaves me with 64 - 6.5 = 57.5
57.5 - 49 = 8.5 gb which is the space used by motorola. We only get 49 gb free. In the xiaomi mi note pro, you get 54gb user available space. iphone 6 have 56gb of user available space. Even the samsung s6 offers 50gb of free space for the user with their billions of bloatware. I dont get why we get lower than s6 64gb when we are supposed to have Bloatfree aosp android. To me it looks like motorola engineers didn't even bother to optimize user available space for us. Lazy motorola engineers !
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Motorola phones do not ship with AOSP at all. None. Zilch.
That said, its a 64GB NAND. All of the different partitions are carved out from it. Bloat has nothing to do with it; it is how Motorola decided to partition the device.
adrynalyne said:
Motorola phones do not ship with AOSP at all. None. Zilch.
That said, its a 64GB NAND. All of the different partitions are carved out from it. Bloat has nothing to do with it; it is how Motorola decided to partition the device.
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I am well aware of that but all in all when you look at other manufacturers using their own user interface and motorola sticking with stock android, it is safe to say that is aosp or vanilla android we have in motorola phones. Even if technically that is not true, it is fine from a user perspective. Anyway,
This is what i get from a fresh 5.0.2 Brazil build install on XT1225. Not a single byte occupied by me. 50.11GB
I've got a slightly different problem. Upgraded from 4.4.4 to 5.1 rooted yesterday.
I think when I did that, I stored my files from my previous install hidden somewhere on my phone. I have over 6GB of my available space taken up and all I've put on my phone so far is a few ringtones. The only thing that makes sense is that the pictures and videos I had on my phone before are placed somewhere else.
I can't find them though. Does anyone have any ideas?
Related
http://mobile.engadget.com/2010/01/06/googles-got-a-plan-for-overcoming-androids-app-storage-limit/
If you had storage limit before, you could root your phone and do apps2sd. You'll be able to do the same with the N1. Google's just making it official for non-daring people soon.
But no one at XDA really ever had a storage limit
cboy007 said:
If you had storage limit before, you could root your phone and do apps2sd. You'll be able to do the same with the N1. Google's just making it official for non-daring people soon.
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Cool. With 32GB storage card this should'nt be an issue then. Currently my music alone takes close to 20GB on my 3GS.
Is anybody using a 32GB storage card yet?
I haven't found one for sale yet. Only 16GB.
I rarely listen to any of the music on my 8B/C6 card. Pandora, and hopefully someday - XM, keep me in-tune.
-bZj
with that much memory there is no need to do apps2sd- cyanogen has even stated as such. My magic has 228MB i think and i have about 150 apps on it and still at least 30% free.....
To the one who already have a N1: How much internal memory is free after a clean factory reset (Hard reset)?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=614884
Yeah... I currently have a 512mb ext partition on my sdcard in my Dream, and I have 200+ apps, and I'm not even close to thinking about getting close to running out of room. Until we start seeing apps that are 10mb+ on the Market (and I mean lots of those apps), we are NEVER going to worry about running out of room for apps on the N1. 512mb for apps is more than overkill. And, I'm sure we may see more huge apps on the Market in the future, but with Google releasing "official apps2sd", the answer to your question is yes. Forget about app size. Install anything and everything you want. You'll never run out of room.
We'll not have 512 MB for apps in the N1, just about 150 MB are free to use after a hardreset by the user, the rest is filled by os and other stuff.
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We'll not have 512 MB for apps in the N1, just about 150 MB are free to use after a hardreset by the user, the rest is filled by os and other stuff.
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Of course not the entire on-board memory is available to apps. Part of it is already filled. the point is.... it's a ridiculously huge amount of storage, however you cut it. By the time you fill it up (which will be a looong time), we'll have the official apps on sd from Google.
Hope so, and if not I have to root the N1
Using System monitor I have
Memory usage: Available:212.0MB
Used: 113.0 MB
Storage: system:542.0MB
Used: 214.0MB
I probably have 150+ apps, I haven't learned to rely on the Market to get apps, I just keep DL'ing more.
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To the one who already have a N1: How much internal memory is free after a clean factory reset (Hard reset)?
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191MB's is what mine said after a factory reset.
That should be sufficient, at least for the moment. Before I root my N1 I want to get used to Android as I'm a former Win mobile user. Yes, I'm a Traitor, and I love to be one
I think that until Android inherently supports apps2sd, apps will not develop beyond a certain point. For example, how many apps do you see that are more than 5MB? People are afraid to download large files. And why on earth do people keep saying that apps2sd isn't necessary on the N1? It has less app storage space available to it than my myTouch. If it was needed on the myTouch then it is needed even more on the N1. I have less than 200MB available for apps, data AND cache. That is appalling on a device that is this good. It basically took a really great piece of hardware and used it as a toilet by adding so little storage. So even though I will be able to use apps2sd, it does nothing to advance the platform as far as super-apps (like those 100MB games for the iPhone I keep hearing about) are concerned. Google need to implement what my six-year old 100MHZ WinMo phone currently has. For shame Google, for shame.
I have 198Mb free after a hard reset.
Strange we're all getting different readings..........
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Using System monitor I have
Memory usage: Available:212.0MB
Used: 113.0 MB
Storage: system:542.0MB
Used: 214.0MB
I probably have 150+ apps, I haven't learned to rely on the Market to get apps, I just keep DL'ing more.
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For the record, System Monitor from the Market reads the internal memory incorrectly. What it says in the Settings menu under SD Card and Phone Storage is correct. Try adding, for example, more than 200MB to the internal memory (I do this with a test script I have). You will get a write error since there is no space left on the device. After all is said and done, there are ONLY 200MB available for apps, data and cache, which is not nearly enough. And you will never see 10MB+ apps on the regular basis until Google changes the storage capacity. The apps don't come first. The storage capability does.
I just don't understand why people keep saying that storage issue are a things of the past. If anything, it's gotten worse since the myTouch 3G which had more free storage than the N1.
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And you will never see 10MB+ apps on the regular basis until Google changes the storage capacity. The apps don't come first. The storage capability does.
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Agreed!
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I just don't understand why people keep saying that storage issue are a things of the past. If anything, it's gotten worse since the myTouch 3G which had more free storage than the N1.
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I think what this thread is referring to is the fact that the Android engineers mentioned in the Nexus One conference that they are planning to do Apps2SD officially in an upcoming release. Once that happens then storage problems will really be a thing of the past and we will start seeing many more media rich apps on the Market.
The fact that the N1 has less user storage than the myTouch is probably because they knew this was coming when they planned the N1's default partitions and decided that they'd rather release the N1 geared more towards more space for future OS upgrades rather than more space for the soon-to-be-obsolete on-phone app storage...
I got a low space warning today on my N1. I think I had 16MB free, 97 apps installed. I freed up some space, and now have 87 apps with 43MB free.
The N1 does 'not' have unlimited storage space, and A2SD, although not as nessesary as on the G1, would still definitely be an asset. We all thought the 512MB ROM meant tons of space for apps, but not when more than half is already used out of the box.
Just a quick reminder to keepyour Market Cache cleared and your Browser Cache cleared. together they can rack up quite a chunk of internal memory unless you use a cache clearing app like eRay etc
Dayz xxx
Good afternoon,
I posted this question on another droid tablet related forum, but I have been unable to find an answer, so either I am really dense and asking a really dumb question (hooray for me then) or no one knows the answer... yet!
I am hoping this is an I D 10 T error on the users part because I already had one defective Transformer and am not looking forward to a second return, but here goes me hoping for an answer!
When I pull up running apps on my tf101 under settings, it shows I only have a total of 562 megs of ram. It usually fluctuates at about 112 megs being used and 450 free adding up to well below 1 gig of ram. Doesn't the tf101come with 1 gig of ram? Is part of the ram locked down for future updates, or am I in possession of a defective tablet?
Thanks in advance.
I should mention I have the 16 gig version with a 16 gig mini memory card plugged into the unit (PNY brand I believe if it matters). I have upgraded to Honeycomb 3.1, and show no available updates from ASUS (I also have not rooted my tablet it is running stock OS no funny business here!).
There is 1G of ram TOTAL, but this is shared with the video carveout, framebuffers, and probably a few other things that need shared system memory.
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There is 1G of ram TOTAL, but this is shared with the video carveout, framebuffers, and probably a few other things that need shared system memory.
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Thank you, I was kinda assuming that it was just ram being locked down for other processes and unusable, but thought I better ask some experts since I had some terrible luck with my first tf101.
Thanks again for your quick response.
Grumsh said:
Good afternoon,
I posted this question on another droid tablet related forum, but I have been unable to find an answer, so either I am really dense and asking a really dumb question (hooray for me then) or no one knows the answer... yet!
I am hoping this is an I D 10 T error on the users part because I already had one defective Transformer and am not looking forward to a second return, but here goes me hoping for an answer!
When I pull up running apps on my tf101 under settings, it shows I only have a total of 562 megs of ram. It usually fluctuates at about 112 megs being used and 450 free adding up to well below 1 gig of ram. Doesn't the tf101come with 1 gig of ram? Is part of the ram locked down for future updates, or am I in possession of a defective tablet?
Thanks in advance.
I should mention I have the 16 gig version with a 16 gig mini memory card plugged into the unit (PNY brand I believe if it matters). I have upgraded to Honeycomb 3.1, and show no available updates from ASUS (I also have not rooted my tablet it is running stock OS no funny business here!).
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The 562 M bytes of RAM you refer to (Actually a 562MB portion of 16 Gb SD flash) is allocated for app storage, the remainder for app data ,music, photos etc. The 1gb RAM you mention is used for program execution,display etc. In addition Android 3.1 does some strange and undocumented dynamic Flash allocation for app stotage. get free disk usage app for detailed memory usage
Rumbleweed said:
The 562 M bytes of RAM (Actually portion of 16 Gb SDRAM ) is allocated for app storage, the remainder for app data ,music, photos etc. The 1gb you mention is used for program execution,display etc. In addition Android 3.1 does some strange and undocumented dynamic SDRAM allocation for app stotage. get free disk usage app for detailed memory usage
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Well, actually, there's 1GB of RAM, and then 16GB of flash storage. They're not the same.
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wynand32 said:
Well, actually, there's 1GB of RAM, and then 16GB of flash storage. They're not the same.
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Thats what I said but flash would have been a more excepted word vs SDRam .Edited original post to clarify.
How much GB of storage does the 8 GB and 16 GB versions of the Nexus 7 actually have?
The 8 GB model has 5.74 GB on it
So the 16 gb version should have approx 13.74 gb available.
It should have 13.74, unless the unusable space is directly proportional to that of the 8gb. In this case it would have approximately 11.118 gb for the user.
any way to change your order from 8 GB to 16 GB?
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any way to change your order from 8 GB to 16 GB?
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I don't think you can. I read somewhere that Google won't let you cancel your pre-order. The only way is to refuse delivery.
northcutt1023 said:
I don't think you can. I read somewhere that Google won't let you cancel your pre-order. The only way is to refuse delivery.
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damn. that's unfortunate. guess some of my music will have to be left out lol. i sent them an email. maybe i'll get lucky.
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So the 16 gb version should have approx 13.74 gb available.
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I don't fully agree with this guess (no offence!). Let me have a go!
So, with an 8 gig model (this is 8*10^9 bytes not 8*2^30 bytes - it's how all hard drives are sold) we know this has a usable space of 5.74Gb. Now, just the raw drive will have 7.45Gb of space (this is the marketed 8 gig figure's actual size - 8*10^9/2^30). So 7.45-5.74 suggests 1.80Gb of space taken up by the filesystem and the operating system and whatever else is on there. So, the raw drive size of a 16 gig model is 14.9Gb using the above formula. Assuming that the overheads are constant (I've no idea if this is a valid assumption or not but I would imagine the size of the OS is) then my estimate is 14.9-1.80 = 13.1Gb. (All figures are correct to 3 significant figures.)
I'm half way through a maths masters (it's summer - I'm bored) so I have some confidence in using my calculator, but, I don't know if my understanding is correct! If when someone does get the 16 gig model I'd like to know the actual answer (I'm getting the 8). I hope someone can prove me wrong/right!
rowanparker said:
I don't fully agree with this guess (no offence!). Let me have a go!
So, with an 8 gig model (this is 8*10^9 bytes not 8*2^30 bytes - it's how all hard drives are sold) we know this has a usable space of 5.74Gb. Now, just the raw drive will have 7.45Gb of space (this is the marketed 8 gig figure's actual size - 8*10^9/2^30). So 7.45-5.74 suggests 1.80Gb of space taken up by the filesystem and the operating system and whatever else is on there. So, the raw drive size of a 16 gig model is 14.9Gb using the above formula. Assuming that the overheads are constant (I've no idea if this is a valid assumption or not but I would imagine the size of the OS is) then my estimate is 14.9-1.80 = 13.1Gb. (All figures are correct to 3 significant figures.)
I'm half way through a maths masters (it's summer - I'm bored) so I have some confidence in using my calculator, but, I don't know if my understanding is correct! If when someone does get the 16 gig model I'd like to know the actual answer (I'm getting the 8). I hope someone can prove me wrong/right!
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he's most likely basing it off of an existing device.
For Example, my 16GB Galaxy Nexus shows 13.33GB total space in the storage settings. But in various apps it reads as 13,648MB.
Anyway, exact storage for 16GB will be above 13GB.
neok44 said:
he's most likely basing it off of an existing device.
For Example, my 16GB Galaxy Nexus shows 13.33GB total space in the storage settings. But in various apps it reads as 13,648MB.
Anyway, exact storage for 16GB will be above 13GB.
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Ah, that would make more sense. I thought he was just taking the same amount off.
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Ah, that would make more sense. I thought he was just taking the same amount off.
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he could of been, but since no one has the 16GB N7, anything is a guess.
rowanparker said:
I don't fully agree with this guess (no offence!). Let me have a go!
So, with an 8 gig model (this is 8*10^9 bytes not 8*2^30 bytes - it's how all hard drives are sold) we know this has a usable space of 5.74Gb. Now, just the raw drive will have 7.45Gb of space (this is the marketed 8 gig figure's actual size - 8*10^9/2^30). So 7.45-5.74 suggests 1.80Gb of space taken up by the filesystem and the operating system and whatever else is on there. So, the raw drive size of a 16 gig model is 14.9Gb using the above formula. Assuming that the overheads are constant (I've no idea if this is a valid assumption or not but I would imagine the size of the OS is) then my estimate is 14.9-1.80 = 13.1Gb. (All figures are correct to 3 significant figures.)
I'm half way through a maths masters (it's summer - I'm bored) so I have some confidence in using my calculator, but, I don't know if my understanding is correct! If when someone does get the 16 gig model I'd like to know the actual answer (I'm getting the 8). I hope someone can prove me wrong/right!
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I have always been confused by this. I have always felt like saying a device has 8, 16, or 32 GB of memory is false advertising since every time I get a device with that amount of memory, there is usually much less free space. I didn't realize that the amount of memory the OS takes up isn't factored into the equation, and the whole bit vs byte confuses me as well. Oh well, lol. Thats why I never became a computer engineer, I guess.
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any way to change your order from 8 GB to 16 GB?
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This was at the bottom on my order:
Need to make a change to your order? Call us at 1-855-83-NEXUS (1-855-836-3987)
Actual Usable Storage
Hi Guys,
I put together a list of the actual usable internal storage of different phones so that we can compare and see which one has how much. This can be found on:
http://icethreads.com/actual-usable-storage-of-mobile-phones/
Let me know if you found it useful!
Regards,
- Harris
One thing is for sure, the usable storage space on the nexus is a hell of a lot better than the usable storage space on the M$ Surface lol
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When I open Titanium Backup on my Nexus 7, the system ROM only has 27.1 MB free out of 670 MB. The free space seems to decrease each time I update and root my Nexus 7. Should I be concerned about this or is there anyway to free up space from the system ROM? Thanks!
DrewReaLee said:
When I open Titanium Backup on my Nexus 7, the system ROM only has 27.1 MB free out of 670 MB. The free space seems to decrease each time I update and root my Nexus 7. Should I be concerned about this or is there anyway to free up space from the system ROM? Thanks!
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Hi, DrewReaLee...
I wouldn't worry about it... my 'grouper' 16Gb Nexus 7, running rooted KitKat 4.4.2 with franco kernel, is showing similar figures to yours...
25.7Mb free out of 639Mb
(27,029,504 bytes free/670,826,496 bytes total system capacity)
Google are no different than other software companies when it comes to OS updates... they have a tendency to 'grow', with each new update/release. And Android is not immune from this tendency to expand...
...for example... I have a 3 year old HTC Wildfire, running Android 2.2.1 FroYo... I just use it as a spare 'phone these days. And it still works pretty good as such.
...but Android fits comfortably into it's allocated system partition of just 250Mb, with 50.28Mb's to spare! That's megabytes... not gigabytes!!! And that's not just pure Android either... it also includes HTC's Sense 'skin'. All in less than a quarter of a gig!
Today, Android devices are measured in gigabytes, not megabytes... I don't have the second generation Nexus 7 2013, but I would hazard a guess that the system partition is larger than 640Mb. I wonder how long it will be, before Android devices start shipping with NAND storage measured in terabytes...
Anyway, back on topic... removing stuff from /system is not a good idea, as it will interfere with any future OTA updates... assuming of course, Google see fit to grace the old Nexus 7 with any further updates after KitKat.
Rgrds,
Ged.
Umm, GedBlake, given that the largest size Nexus 7 2013 is 32gb, it would be impossible for the system partition to be 640gb. I don't know exactly since I don't own one, but it's probably around 1gb. I doubt that we'll ever get as high as terabytes for flash storage... There will probably be a new technology by then!
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Stock, rooted, 4.4.2, 32gb 2012 wi-fi (grouper). Shows 26.2 free ...of 639 MB total
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Umm, GedBlake, given that the largest size Nexus 7 2013 is 32gb, it would be impossible for the system partition to be 640gb. I don't know exactly since I don't own one, but it's probably around 1gb. I doubt that we'll ever get as high as terabytes for flash storage... There will probably be a new technology by then!
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Hi, masterslacker...
Yep, you're right. My mistake... for some reason, I had it in my head when I wrote my post, that system was measured in gigabytes and not megabytes. Not quite sure where I got that from. That post has now been corrected. It also means that, as you say, the possibility of Android devices ever shipping with terabytes of storage are very unlikely indeed.
Thanks for the correction.
Rgrds,
Ged.
I am using Kitkat 4.4.2 and the same situation. But I want more ROM space to flash some mod (WALKMAN and Launcher Port) but they required more System ROM. What about the best solution? Can I delete/uninstall some apps, or increase/extend my ROM space by some trick?
Thanks.
I posted a "top 40 by space" list for 4.4.2 stock in this post
I didn't really give any recommendations, but I would certainly avoid deleting any library files. How about removing these apps?
app/QuickOffice.apk 12,919,557 bytes
app/Hangouts.apk 10,903,908 bytes
app/Chrome.apk 10,417,331
app/YouTube.apk 7,531,998
app/Maps.apk 7,455,155
and maybe "Magazines", "Books", "Currents", too?
Certainly Chrome, YouTube, and Maps can be installed as market apps if you want to use them, but don't want them installed as "System" apps. I don't know about the others listed above (apparently some apps won't function correctly when you re-install the .apk as user/market apps).
If you do this kind of thing by hand, you probably also want to delete the:
1) corresponding Dalvik Cache entries in /cache/dalvik-cache/
2) corresponding application data folder in /data/data/
3) corresponding stuff in /data/app-lib/
before you re-install the .apk into /data/app.
Obviously, modding a Stock ROM will quite possibly break the update-ability (use of OTAs). But that's nor really a big surprise.
Make a full Nandroid backup before you start, name it in a meaningful way (so you know what it is in a couple months) and get a copy of it off the tablet.
good luck
So im an avid phone person as you can see from my signature and now am venturing with the S5 and actually love it so far suprisingly. What I wanted to know is how are you guys dealing with just having 16GB internal space? I think it is enough for the apps I use and since I have a 64Gb SD, there will be no media on my intneral. Just wanted to see everyone elses thougts on it.
I know back in the day you could move your apps to your SD with an app such as apps2sd but I know I saw rumors of Kit Kat killing this feature. Input?
Without the external SD, I'd doubt 16GB would be enough. But like you say, my music is stored on the external; camera stores to external. And as long as you root and run sdfix app from Google Play, permissions are the same as before.
Google are still trying to push as many users as possible to cloud storage, which has its uses but I detest the fact they are trying to kill off external SD phones in doing so.
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Without the external SD, I'd doubt 16GB would be enough. But like you say, my music is stored on the external; camera stores to external. And as long as you root and run sdfix app from Google Play, permissions are the same as before.
Google are still trying to push as many users as possible to cloud storage, which has its uses but I detest the fact they are trying to kill off external SD phones in doing so.
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Ahhh I didnt know about the add sdfix, that is exactly what I was looking for if it lets me install my apps to the external. Im going to look into it some more.
I'm using the Sandisk Ultra 64 GB Class 10 UHS 1 micro SD which is more than enough for my media needs.
My only complaint is that this specific SD has poor write speeds of only 8.77 MB/S despite the fact that Class 10 are required to have a 10 MB/s write speed. Read speeds are fine, and perform better than the advertised 30MB/S - I am getting 37MB/S read speeds.
My friend has the same SD as well as the S5 and also suffers from lower than 10MB/S write speeds.
On another note, this card seems to write at 10MB/S when its plugged straight into my PC.
I am beginning to suspect that the specific combination of the S5 and the Sandisk Ultra yields such performance.
mediumsteak said:
I'm using the Sandisk Ultra 64 GB Class 10 UHS 1 micro SD which is more than enough for my media needs.
My only complaint is that this specific SD has poor write speeds of only 8.77 MB/S despite the fact that Class 10 are required to have a 10 MB/s write speed. Read speeds are fine, and perform better than the advertised 30MB/S - I am getting 37MB/S read speeds.
My friend has the same SD as well as the S5 and also suffers from lower than 10MB/S write speeds.
On another note, this card seems to write at 10MB/S when its plugged straight into my PC.
I am beginning to suspect that the specific combination of the S5 and the Sandisk Ultra yields such performance.
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I haven't really tested the speeds out for myself but I have the same sd card.
No doubt 16 GB is enough for most people. Mind you, that's really about 12 GB of effective user space after the system files claims it's tithe.
It's tenuous for power users though. Frankly it's a crime that Samsung's so called flagship only has 16 GB when the (North American) Note3 has a default 32 GB. For myself, I like to have 20 GB+ of music alone on my phone. Yeah, it could be worse i.e. no SD card like most IOS models. But the external card speeds are abysmal compared to internal memory. There should be 32 and 64 GB models available for a flagship model.
Anyway, there is an XDA thread that does a good job of swapping the internal and external memories i.e. it designates your external card as the "internal card". You take a bit of a speed hit in exchange for 128 GB default capacity. The mod works better than the app you cited. Also note that it's a simple edit in platform.xml to revert the restrictive Kitkat permissions for the external card.
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After I reverted the permission 16GB is workable, since I can now put GPS maps on external SD, before that I had 500mb of free space left on the internal SD.
Still if you play games it's very tight, a single not-so-new game like Nova 3 takes up 2.8 GB, and it won't store the extra files on external SD either way.
I'm about to decide between buying a 32GB and 16GB S5. To properly answer "Is the 16GB internal storage good enough for you?": from those on a Samsung Galaxy S5 16GB could we get a few reports on your current available (internal storage) space.
I'd be especially grateful if you could provide:
A screenshot of your available space (Settings > Storage ?).
The number of user apps you have installed. (E.g. Titanium Backup > Batch Actions (Action button on top menu) > Backup > Backup all user apps <Values show a count of your user apps>
The current ROM you are using (e.g. Samsung Stock G900IDVU1ANG3, or Edgarf28's XtreStoLite Custom Rom, etc)
A description of what you intentionally store on the external SD card, if anything.
... but by all means just provide a text report of your available space if that's all you'd otherwise be inclined to bother with.
Bump.
A simple text report of your available space and the number of user apps you have installed, for a Samsung Galaxy S5 16B, would do!
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I'm about to decide between buying a 32GB and 16GB S5. To properly answer "Is the 16GB internal storage good enough for you?": from those on a Samsung Galaxy S5 16GB could we get a few reports on your current available (internal storage) space.
I'd be especially grateful if you could provide:
A screenshot of your available space (Settings > Storage ?).
The number of user apps you have installed. (E.g. Titanium Backup > Batch Actions (Action button on top menu) > Backup > Backup all user apps <Values show a count of your user apps>
The current ROM you are using (e.g. Samsung Stock G900IDVU1ANG3, or Edgarf28's XtreStoLite Custom Rom, etc)
A description of what you intentionally store on the external SD card, if anything.
... but by all means just provide a text report of your available space if that's all you'd otherwise be inclined to bother with.
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Your decision on 16 or 32GB may be easier than you think. To my knowledge and from my inquires into Samsung, they have not actually produced any 32GB versions yet. Someone correct me if they have one, I've been looking for a while. I haven't purchased the S5 yet because the lack of the 32GB version.
Samsung has produced several Galaxy S5 32GB variants. Specifically the SM-906K, SM-906L, and SM-906S. See http://www.samsung.com/sec/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/kt/SM-G906KSIEKTO. He is Erica Griffin compariing a SM-G906S to a regular, 16GB, S5.
On XDA developers there is active, although relatively limited, development for 32GB SM-906[K|L|S] devices. See, for example, M-G906S/K/L/ S805 Info Sharing thread (Root/CWM/Custom Rom) .
I didn't know that thanks for the information. I wish they would release it in the US.
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You can import it to the US, and other countries around the world, through a "grey importer", like www.t-dimension.com. The main limitation wtih Galaxy S5 32GB SM-906[K|L|S] devices is that the range of telephony radios (3G and 4G) might not be as ideally suited to your region as the Galaxy S5 16gb devices released in your region.
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That is incorrect. 32 GB versions have been available from the start. Unless you have the misfortune of residing in Canada or the US where the major carriers agreed with Samsung that the sales of 32 GB S3's was abysmal and as a result they have no intention of distributing 32 GB S5's in North America.
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That is correct, I'm in the US. I wish they would of disclose that up front unless I missed it also.
Thanks for the information!
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It's alright. I got the 16gb one because it was 749 dollars and the 32gb one was 999 dollars....sooo yeah....
Hellscythe said:
I got the 16gb one
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I'd be grateful if you could answer my previous post (which helps with answering the original question).
John Bentley said:
I'm about to decide between buying a 32GB and 16GB S5. To properly answer "Is the 16GB internal storage good enough for you?": from those on a Samsung Galaxy S5 16GB could we get a few reports on your current available (internal storage) space.
I'd be especially grateful if you could provide:
A screenshot of your available space (Settings > Storage ?).
The number of user apps you have installed. (E.g. Titanium Backup > Batch Actions (Action button on top menu) > Backup > Backup all user apps <Values show a count of your user apps>
The current ROM you are using (e.g. Samsung Stock G900IDVU1ANG3, or Edgarf28's XtreStoLite Custom Rom, etc)
A description of what you intentionally store on the external SD card, if anything.
... but by all means just provide a text report of your available space if that's all you'd otherwise be inclined to bother with.
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Roughly 12gb free space
38 user apps installed. 7.4gb used, 4.4gb free
ANI2 ROM, cbf finding a link, but it's on sammobile
My internal storage is pretty much just for apps and downloads because Chrome defaults the download path to internal storage. Music, movies go onto my external sd.
Hellscythe said:
Roughly 12gb free space
38 user apps installed. 7.4gb used, 4.4gb free.
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Thanks very much for the reply Hellscythe. But I'm confused about whether you have 12GB or 4.4GB free.
Do you mean that you had 12GB free at factory conditions and after 38 user apps (and various Chrome downloads) you have 4.4 GB free?