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[Q] Defective Ram Or Really Dense User?

Good afternoon,
I posted this question on another droid tablet related forum, but I have been unable to find an answer, so either I am really dense and asking a really dumb question (hooray for me then) or no one knows the answer... yet!
I am hoping this is an I D 10 T error on the users part because I already had one defective Transformer and am not looking forward to a second return, but here goes me hoping for an answer!
When I pull up running apps on my tf101 under settings, it shows I only have a total of 562 megs of ram. It usually fluctuates at about 112 megs being used and 450 free adding up to well below 1 gig of ram. Doesn't the tf101come with 1 gig of ram? Is part of the ram locked down for future updates, or am I in possession of a defective tablet?
Thanks in advance.
I should mention I have the 16 gig version with a 16 gig mini memory card plugged into the unit (PNY brand I believe if it matters). I have upgraded to Honeycomb 3.1, and show no available updates from ASUS (I also have not rooted my tablet it is running stock OS no funny business here!).

There is 1G of ram TOTAL, but this is shared with the video carveout, framebuffers, and probably a few other things that need shared system memory.

raypou said:
There is 1G of ram TOTAL, but this is shared with the video carveout, framebuffers, and probably a few other things that need shared system memory.
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Thank you, I was kinda assuming that it was just ram being locked down for other processes and unusable, but thought I better ask some experts since I had some terrible luck with my first tf101.
Thanks again for your quick response.

Grumsh said:
Good afternoon,
I posted this question on another droid tablet related forum, but I have been unable to find an answer, so either I am really dense and asking a really dumb question (hooray for me then) or no one knows the answer... yet!
I am hoping this is an I D 10 T error on the users part because I already had one defective Transformer and am not looking forward to a second return, but here goes me hoping for an answer!
When I pull up running apps on my tf101 under settings, it shows I only have a total of 562 megs of ram. It usually fluctuates at about 112 megs being used and 450 free adding up to well below 1 gig of ram. Doesn't the tf101come with 1 gig of ram? Is part of the ram locked down for future updates, or am I in possession of a defective tablet?
Thanks in advance.
I should mention I have the 16 gig version with a 16 gig mini memory card plugged into the unit (PNY brand I believe if it matters). I have upgraded to Honeycomb 3.1, and show no available updates from ASUS (I also have not rooted my tablet it is running stock OS no funny business here!).
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The 562 M bytes of RAM you refer to (Actually a 562MB portion of 16 Gb SD flash) is allocated for app storage, the remainder for app data ,music, photos etc. The 1gb RAM you mention is used for program execution,display etc. In addition Android 3.1 does some strange and undocumented dynamic Flash allocation for app stotage. get free disk usage app for detailed memory usage

Rumbleweed said:
The 562 M bytes of RAM (Actually portion of 16 Gb SDRAM ) is allocated for app storage, the remainder for app data ,music, photos etc. The 1gb you mention is used for program execution,display etc. In addition Android 3.1 does some strange and undocumented dynamic SDRAM allocation for app stotage. get free disk usage app for detailed memory usage
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Well, actually, there's 1GB of RAM, and then 16GB of flash storage. They're not the same.
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wynand32 said:
Well, actually, there's 1GB of RAM, and then 16GB of flash storage. They're not the same.
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Thats what I said but flash would have been a more excepted word vs SDRam .Edited original post to clarify.

[Q] How much space for applications?

I preordered the 16gb, and how much gbs are allotted to install apps? I have the galaxy s2 and my limit was about 2gb, and I ran out of room.. Will I have the same problem with Nexus 7?

The 16GB should allow around 14GB for you to mess around with. Somebody posted an exact number somewhere on here....

13.33GB
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On Android 3.0 and above you no longer have seperate partitions for apps and data.
The Nexus 7 has 5.7 (8gb) or 13.3 (16GB) GB of space for apps and all other data.

neok44 said:
On Android 3.0 and above you no longer have seperate partitions for apps and data.
The Nexus 7 has 5.7 (8gb) or 13.3 (16GB) GB of space for apps and all other data.
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Why, is it that my galaxy s2 on ICS, is still limited to 2gb?

lin013190 said:
Why, is it that my galaxy s2 on ICS, is still limited to 2gb?
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might be cause it is a Pre-ICS phone.
I never understood why device manufacturers always take away some GB from the available storage. Why not dedicate storage separate from everything else for the system/OS and give us the full 16gb?

Galactic2 said:
might be cause it is a Pre-ICS phone.
I never understood why device manufacturers always take away some GB from the available storage. Why not dedicate storage separate from everything else for the system/OS and give us the full 16gb?
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Hmm, I guess, it was gingerbread 2.3.6 and then they released Kies ICS, and I upgraded it but still restricts to 2gb.

neok44 said:
On Android 3.0 and above you no longer have seperate partitions for apps and data.
The Nexus 7 has 5.7 (8gb) or 13.3 (16GB) GB of space for apps and all other data.
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assuming dark of the moon is actually on the flash storage and isn't streamed, deleting it if you don't want/like would give more maybe even 1gb......

neok44 said:
On Android 3.0 and above you no longer have seperate partitions for apps and data.
The Nexus 7 has 5.7 (8gb) or 13.3 (16GB) GB of space for apps and all other data.
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If everything is on the same partition, then how does mounting USB storage work? Do you have any links regarding the partitioning?

If you had a Pre-ICS phone like the Galaxy S II then the partions would remain like they were before.
My post only applies to devices that shipped with ICS, and specifically nexus devices since i can't speak for any device i don't own.
@fox: from what i've read, Transformers is almost 2GB of data and is not downloaded already (at least on the I/O ones). The storage space i posted is confirmed actual space from the I/O Nexus 7 and 16GB Galaxy Nexus. That is total space, not free after system/sd data
@AZImmortal: The device uses MTP for use on Windows. Macs require some software (www.android.com/filetransfer)
This allows you to only see the /sdcard partition and the system is protected. Also has a lot of stupid issues as well but it's the best way to keep the system secure. Many people who have Galaxy Nexus devices use AirDroid or other similar apps to transfer data since MTP is very annoying.

Ah, thanks for the explanation. My devices have all shipped with Gingerbread or lower so far so I haven't been exposed to MTP.

AZImmortal said:
Ah, thanks for the explanation. My devices have all shipped with Gingerbread or lower so far so I haven't been exposed to MTP.
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no problem. it was a huge shock for those of us who bought Galaxy Nexus devices as well.
MTP does suck sometimes, but it really is the best way to deal with it. I do recommend checking out AirDroid. just amazing app and works over your wifi network so no USB cable needed. And transfers are a lot faster than USB/MTP

System ROM Almost Full

When I open Titanium Backup on my Nexus 7, the system ROM only has 27.1 MB free out of 670 MB. The free space seems to decrease each time I update and root my Nexus 7. Should I be concerned about this or is there anyway to free up space from the system ROM? Thanks!

DrewReaLee said:
When I open Titanium Backup on my Nexus 7, the system ROM only has 27.1 MB free out of 670 MB. The free space seems to decrease each time I update and root my Nexus 7. Should I be concerned about this or is there anyway to free up space from the system ROM? Thanks!
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Hi, DrewReaLee...
I wouldn't worry about it... my 'grouper' 16Gb Nexus 7, running rooted KitKat 4.4.2 with franco kernel, is showing similar figures to yours...
25.7Mb free out of 639Mb
(27,029,504 bytes free/670,826,496 bytes total system capacity)
Google are no different than other software companies when it comes to OS updates... they have a tendency to 'grow', with each new update/release. And Android is not immune from this tendency to expand...
...for example... I have a 3 year old HTC Wildfire, running Android 2.2.1 FroYo... I just use it as a spare 'phone these days. And it still works pretty good as such.
...but Android fits comfortably into it's allocated system partition of just 250Mb, with 50.28Mb's to spare! That's megabytes... not gigabytes!!! And that's not just pure Android either... it also includes HTC's Sense 'skin'. All in less than a quarter of a gig!
Today, Android devices are measured in gigabytes, not megabytes... I don't have the second generation Nexus 7 2013, but I would hazard a guess that the system partition is larger than 640Mb. I wonder how long it will be, before Android devices start shipping with NAND storage measured in terabytes...
Anyway, back on topic... removing stuff from /system is not a good idea, as it will interfere with any future OTA updates... assuming of course, Google see fit to grace the old Nexus 7 with any further updates after KitKat.
Rgrds,
Ged.

Umm, GedBlake, given that the largest size Nexus 7 2013 is 32gb, it would be impossible for the system partition to be 640gb. I don't know exactly since I don't own one, but it's probably around 1gb. I doubt that we'll ever get as high as terabytes for flash storage... There will probably be a new technology by then!
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Stock, rooted, 4.4.2, 32gb 2012 wi-fi (grouper). Shows 26.2 free ...of 639 MB total

masterslacker said:
Umm, GedBlake, given that the largest size Nexus 7 2013 is 32gb, it would be impossible for the system partition to be 640gb. I don't know exactly since I don't own one, but it's probably around 1gb. I doubt that we'll ever get as high as terabytes for flash storage... There will probably be a new technology by then!
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Hi, masterslacker...
Yep, you're right. My mistake... for some reason, I had it in my head when I wrote my post, that system was measured in gigabytes and not megabytes. Not quite sure where I got that from. That post has now been corrected. It also means that, as you say, the possibility of Android devices ever shipping with terabytes of storage are very unlikely indeed.
Thanks for the correction.
Rgrds,
Ged.

I am using Kitkat 4.4.2 and the same situation. But I want more ROM space to flash some mod (WALKMAN and Launcher Port) but they required more System ROM. What about the best solution? Can I delete/uninstall some apps, or increase/extend my ROM space by some trick?
Thanks.

I posted a "top 40 by space" list for 4.4.2 stock in this post
I didn't really give any recommendations, but I would certainly avoid deleting any library files. How about removing these apps?
app/QuickOffice.apk 12,919,557 bytes
app/Hangouts.apk 10,903,908 bytes
app/Chrome.apk 10,417,331
app/YouTube.apk 7,531,998
app/Maps.apk 7,455,155
and maybe "Magazines", "Books", "Currents", too?
Certainly Chrome, YouTube, and Maps can be installed as market apps if you want to use them, but don't want them installed as "System" apps. I don't know about the others listed above (apparently some apps won't function correctly when you re-install the .apk as user/market apps).
If you do this kind of thing by hand, you probably also want to delete the:
1) corresponding Dalvik Cache entries in /cache/dalvik-cache/
2) corresponding application data folder in /data/data/
3) corresponding stuff in /data/app-lib/
before you re-install the .apk into /data/app.
Obviously, modding a Stock ROM will quite possibly break the update-ability (use of OTAs). But that's nor really a big surprise.
Make a full Nandroid backup before you start, name it in a meaningful way (so you know what it is in a couple months) and get a copy of it off the tablet.
good luck

[Q] 10gb usable space on stock 16gb device

D802 UK LG G2, Stock out of the box, 16gb, android only says 10gb usuable? surely android doesnt take 6gb? that 6gb would be pretty handy to have back and given its an internal sd partition i would have thought that partition would be the full 16gb?

Sorry. That's how the phone is made. On the 32gb version 8gb is used for the system. Nobody is really willing to mess with system partitions due to the risk of ending up with a quite expensive paperweight. Either you learn to live with it or you swap it for a 32gb (24 GB usable ) or get your hands on an OTG card reader.
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No offense, but are you new to technology in general, specifically storage? Any storage device loses some space to formatting. Is your computer's 250GB hard drive actually 250GB when you turn it on? No, it starts off at ~230-something before you account for the operating system, etc.
First off, on the 16GB you're starting off at a bit less than ~14GB and then the Android OS and LG stuff, so that's why you have whatever you have free. Android is not taking up 6GB of storage space. Blame the storage industry/manufacturers (NAND/solid state/hard drive etc) for the way they report storage space. It's their fault.

LordLugard said:
No offense, but are you new to technology in general, specifically storage? Any storage device loses some space to formatting. Is your computer's 250GB hard drive actually 250GB when you turn it on? No, it starts off at ~230-something before you account for the operating system, etc.
First off, on the 16GB you're starting off at a bit less than ~14GB and then the Android OS and LG stuff, so that's why you have whatever you have free. Android is not taking up 6GB of storage space. Blame the storage industry/manufacturers (NAND/solid state/hard drive etc) for the way they report storage space. It's their fault.
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far from new, but didnt think a phone os would take that much space

[Q] Is the 16GB internal storage good enough for you?

So im an avid phone person as you can see from my signature and now am venturing with the S5 and actually love it so far suprisingly. What I wanted to know is how are you guys dealing with just having 16GB internal space? I think it is enough for the apps I use and since I have a 64Gb SD, there will be no media on my intneral. Just wanted to see everyone elses thougts on it.
I know back in the day you could move your apps to your SD with an app such as apps2sd but I know I saw rumors of Kit Kat killing this feature. Input?

Without the external SD, I'd doubt 16GB would be enough. But like you say, my music is stored on the external; camera stores to external. And as long as you root and run sdfix app from Google Play, permissions are the same as before.
Google are still trying to push as many users as possible to cloud storage, which has its uses but I detest the fact they are trying to kill off external SD phones in doing so.

russ18uk said:
Without the external SD, I'd doubt 16GB would be enough. But like you say, my music is stored on the external; camera stores to external. And as long as you root and run sdfix app from Google Play, permissions are the same as before.
Google are still trying to push as many users as possible to cloud storage, which has its uses but I detest the fact they are trying to kill off external SD phones in doing so.
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Ahhh I didnt know about the add sdfix, that is exactly what I was looking for if it lets me install my apps to the external. Im going to look into it some more.

I'm using the Sandisk Ultra 64 GB Class 10 UHS 1 micro SD which is more than enough for my media needs.
My only complaint is that this specific SD has poor write speeds of only 8.77 MB/S despite the fact that Class 10 are required to have a 10 MB/s write speed. Read speeds are fine, and perform better than the advertised 30MB/S - I am getting 37MB/S read speeds.
My friend has the same SD as well as the S5 and also suffers from lower than 10MB/S write speeds.
On another note, this card seems to write at 10MB/S when its plugged straight into my PC.
I am beginning to suspect that the specific combination of the S5 and the Sandisk Ultra yields such performance.

mediumsteak said:
I'm using the Sandisk Ultra 64 GB Class 10 UHS 1 micro SD which is more than enough for my media needs.
My only complaint is that this specific SD has poor write speeds of only 8.77 MB/S despite the fact that Class 10 are required to have a 10 MB/s write speed. Read speeds are fine, and perform better than the advertised 30MB/S - I am getting 37MB/S read speeds.
My friend has the same SD as well as the S5 and also suffers from lower than 10MB/S write speeds.
On another note, this card seems to write at 10MB/S when its plugged straight into my PC.
I am beginning to suspect that the specific combination of the S5 and the Sandisk Ultra yields such performance.
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I haven't really tested the speeds out for myself but I have the same sd card.

No doubt 16 GB is enough for most people. Mind you, that's really about 12 GB of effective user space after the system files claims it's tithe.
It's tenuous for power users though. Frankly it's a crime that Samsung's so called flagship only has 16 GB when the (North American) Note3 has a default 32 GB. For myself, I like to have 20 GB+ of music alone on my phone. Yeah, it could be worse i.e. no SD card like most IOS models. But the external card speeds are abysmal compared to internal memory. There should be 32 and 64 GB models available for a flagship model.
Anyway, there is an XDA thread that does a good job of swapping the internal and external memories i.e. it designates your external card as the "internal card". You take a bit of a speed hit in exchange for 128 GB default capacity. The mod works better than the app you cited. Also note that it's a simple edit in platform.xml to revert the restrictive Kitkat permissions for the external card.
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After I reverted the permission 16GB is workable, since I can now put GPS maps on external SD, before that I had 500mb of free space left on the internal SD.
Still if you play games it's very tight, a single not-so-new game like Nova 3 takes up 2.8 GB, and it won't store the extra files on external SD either way.

I'm about to decide between buying a 32GB and 16GB S5. To properly answer "Is the 16GB internal storage good enough for you?": from those on a Samsung Galaxy S5 16GB could we get a few reports on your current available (internal storage) space.
I'd be especially grateful if you could provide:
A screenshot of your available space (Settings > Storage ?).
The number of user apps you have installed. (E.g. Titanium Backup > Batch Actions (Action button on top menu) > Backup > Backup all user apps <Values show a count of your user apps>
The current ROM you are using (e.g. Samsung Stock G900IDVU1ANG3, or Edgarf28's XtreStoLite Custom Rom, etc)
A description of what you intentionally store on the external SD card, if anything.
... but by all means just provide a text report of your available space if that's all you'd otherwise be inclined to bother with.

Bump.
A simple text report of your available space and the number of user apps you have installed, for a Samsung Galaxy S5 16B, would do!

John Bentley said:
I'm about to decide between buying a 32GB and 16GB S5. To properly answer "Is the 16GB internal storage good enough for you?": from those on a Samsung Galaxy S5 16GB could we get a few reports on your current available (internal storage) space.
I'd be especially grateful if you could provide:
A screenshot of your available space (Settings > Storage ?).
The number of user apps you have installed. (E.g. Titanium Backup > Batch Actions (Action button on top menu) > Backup > Backup all user apps <Values show a count of your user apps>
The current ROM you are using (e.g. Samsung Stock G900IDVU1ANG3, or Edgarf28's XtreStoLite Custom Rom, etc)
A description of what you intentionally store on the external SD card, if anything.
... but by all means just provide a text report of your available space if that's all you'd otherwise be inclined to bother with.
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Your decision on 16 or 32GB may be easier than you think. To my knowledge and from my inquires into Samsung, they have not actually produced any 32GB versions yet. Someone correct me if they have one, I've been looking for a while. I haven't purchased the S5 yet because the lack of the 32GB version.

Samsung has produced several Galaxy S5 32GB variants. Specifically the SM-906K, SM-906L, and SM-906S. See http://www.samsung.com/sec/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/kt/SM-G906KSIEKTO. He is Erica Griffin compariing a SM-G906S to a regular, 16GB, S5.
On XDA developers there is active, although relatively limited, development for 32GB SM-906[K|L|S] devices. See, for example, M-G906S/K/L/ S805 Info Sharing thread (Root/CWM/Custom Rom) .

I didn't know that thanks for the information. I wish they would release it in the US.
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You can import it to the US, and other countries around the world, through a "grey importer", like www.t-dimension.com. The main limitation wtih Galaxy S5 32GB SM-906[K|L|S] devices is that the range of telephony radios (3G and 4G) might not be as ideally suited to your region as the Galaxy S5 16gb devices released in your region.

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That is incorrect. 32 GB versions have been available from the start. Unless you have the misfortune of residing in Canada or the US where the major carriers agreed with Samsung that the sales of 32 GB S3's was abysmal and as a result they have no intention of distributing 32 GB S5's in North America.
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That is correct, I'm in the US. I wish they would of disclose that up front unless I missed it also.
Thanks for the information!

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It's alright. I got the 16gb one because it was 749 dollars and the 32gb one was 999 dollars....sooo yeah....

Hellscythe said:
I got the 16gb one
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I'd be grateful if you could answer my previous post (which helps with answering the original question).

John Bentley said:
I'm about to decide between buying a 32GB and 16GB S5. To properly answer "Is the 16GB internal storage good enough for you?": from those on a Samsung Galaxy S5 16GB could we get a few reports on your current available (internal storage) space.
I'd be especially grateful if you could provide:
A screenshot of your available space (Settings > Storage ?).
The number of user apps you have installed. (E.g. Titanium Backup > Batch Actions (Action button on top menu) > Backup > Backup all user apps <Values show a count of your user apps>
The current ROM you are using (e.g. Samsung Stock G900IDVU1ANG3, or Edgarf28's XtreStoLite Custom Rom, etc)
A description of what you intentionally store on the external SD card, if anything.
... but by all means just provide a text report of your available space if that's all you'd otherwise be inclined to bother with.
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Roughly 12gb free space
38 user apps installed. 7.4gb used, 4.4gb free
ANI2 ROM, cbf finding a link, but it's on sammobile
My internal storage is pretty much just for apps and downloads because Chrome defaults the download path to internal storage. Music, movies go onto my external sd.

Hellscythe said:
Roughly 12gb free space
38 user apps installed. 7.4gb used, 4.4gb free.
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Thanks very much for the reply Hellscythe. But I'm confused about whether you have 12GB or 4.4GB free.
Do you mean that you had 12GB free at factory conditions and after 38 user apps (and various Chrome downloads) you have 4.4 GB free?