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Is App Storage Limit a thing of the past?

http://mobile.engadget.com/2010/01/06/googles-got-a-plan-for-overcoming-androids-app-storage-limit/

If you had storage limit before, you could root your phone and do apps2sd. You'll be able to do the same with the N1. Google's just making it official for non-daring people soon.
But no one at XDA really ever had a storage limit

cboy007 said:
If you had storage limit before, you could root your phone and do apps2sd. You'll be able to do the same with the N1. Google's just making it official for non-daring people soon.
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Cool. With 32GB storage card this should'nt be an issue then. Currently my music alone takes close to 20GB on my 3GS.
Is anybody using a 32GB storage card yet?

I haven't found one for sale yet. Only 16GB.
I rarely listen to any of the music on my 8B/C6 card. Pandora, and hopefully someday - XM, keep me in-tune.
-bZj

with that much memory there is no need to do apps2sd- cyanogen has even stated as such. My magic has 228MB i think and i have about 150 apps on it and still at least 30% free.....

To the one who already have a N1: How much internal memory is free after a clean factory reset (Hard reset)?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=614884

Yeah... I currently have a 512mb ext partition on my sdcard in my Dream, and I have 200+ apps, and I'm not even close to thinking about getting close to running out of room. Until we start seeing apps that are 10mb+ on the Market (and I mean lots of those apps), we are NEVER going to worry about running out of room for apps on the N1. 512mb for apps is more than overkill. And, I'm sure we may see more huge apps on the Market in the future, but with Google releasing "official apps2sd", the answer to your question is yes. Forget about app size. Install anything and everything you want. You'll never run out of room.

We'll not have 512 MB for apps in the N1, just about 150 MB are free to use after a hardreset by the user, the rest is filled by os and other stuff.

sthoeft said:
We'll not have 512 MB for apps in the N1, just about 150 MB are free to use after a hardreset by the user, the rest is filled by os and other stuff.
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Of course not the entire on-board memory is available to apps. Part of it is already filled. the point is.... it's a ridiculously huge amount of storage, however you cut it. By the time you fill it up (which will be a looong time), we'll have the official apps on sd from Google.

Hope so, and if not I have to root the N1

Using System monitor I have
Memory usage: Available:212.0MB
Used: 113.0 MB
Storage: system:542.0MB
Used: 214.0MB
I probably have 150+ apps, I haven't learned to rely on the Market to get apps, I just keep DL'ing more.

sthoeft said:
To the one who already have a N1: How much internal memory is free after a clean factory reset (Hard reset)?
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191MB's is what mine said after a factory reset.

That should be sufficient, at least for the moment. Before I root my N1 I want to get used to Android as I'm a former Win mobile user. Yes, I'm a Traitor, and I love to be one

I think that until Android inherently supports apps2sd, apps will not develop beyond a certain point. For example, how many apps do you see that are more than 5MB? People are afraid to download large files. And why on earth do people keep saying that apps2sd isn't necessary on the N1? It has less app storage space available to it than my myTouch. If it was needed on the myTouch then it is needed even more on the N1. I have less than 200MB available for apps, data AND cache. That is appalling on a device that is this good. It basically took a really great piece of hardware and used it as a toilet by adding so little storage. So even though I will be able to use apps2sd, it does nothing to advance the platform as far as super-apps (like those 100MB games for the iPhone I keep hearing about) are concerned. Google need to implement what my six-year old 100MHZ WinMo phone currently has. For shame Google, for shame.

I have 198Mb free after a hard reset.
Strange we're all getting different readings..........

joeavery2 said:
Using System monitor I have
Memory usage: Available:212.0MB
Used: 113.0 MB
Storage: system:542.0MB
Used: 214.0MB
I probably have 150+ apps, I haven't learned to rely on the Market to get apps, I just keep DL'ing more.
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For the record, System Monitor from the Market reads the internal memory incorrectly. What it says in the Settings menu under SD Card and Phone Storage is correct. Try adding, for example, more than 200MB to the internal memory (I do this with a test script I have). You will get a write error since there is no space left on the device. After all is said and done, there are ONLY 200MB available for apps, data and cache, which is not nearly enough. And you will never see 10MB+ apps on the regular basis until Google changes the storage capacity. The apps don't come first. The storage capability does.
I just don't understand why people keep saying that storage issue are a things of the past. If anything, it's gotten worse since the myTouch 3G which had more free storage than the N1.

AndroidAppCritic said:
And you will never see 10MB+ apps on the regular basis until Google changes the storage capacity. The apps don't come first. The storage capability does.
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Agreed!
AndroidAppCritic said:
I just don't understand why people keep saying that storage issue are a things of the past. If anything, it's gotten worse since the myTouch 3G which had more free storage than the N1.
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I think what this thread is referring to is the fact that the Android engineers mentioned in the Nexus One conference that they are planning to do Apps2SD officially in an upcoming release. Once that happens then storage problems will really be a thing of the past and we will start seeing many more media rich apps on the Market.
The fact that the N1 has less user storage than the myTouch is probably because they knew this was coming when they planned the N1's default partitions and decided that they'd rather release the N1 geared more towards more space for future OS upgrades rather than more space for the soon-to-be-obsolete on-phone app storage...

I got a low space warning today on my N1. I think I had 16MB free, 97 apps installed. I freed up some space, and now have 87 apps with 43MB free.
The N1 does 'not' have unlimited storage space, and A2SD, although not as nessesary as on the G1, would still definitely be an asset. We all thought the 512MB ROM meant tons of space for apps, but not when more than half is already used out of the box.

Just a quick reminder to keepyour Market Cache cleared and your Browser Cache cleared. together they can rack up quite a chunk of internal memory unless you use a cache clearing app like eRay etc
Dayz xxx

Repartitioning the storage, is it possible?

Hi,
We are able to unlock the bootloader ...
We got root ...
My question, is it possible to repartition the storage?
For example: Right now, there is only 1GB space for internal storage.
Is it possible to create 2GB?
And if it is possible, will it be a problem if Google have another OS update?
I meant, does Android OS update will check the "original" storage "layout"?
Thanks

excellent question.
I'd like to know as well, as i already have 1.5 GB of apps & games installed on my SGS that i plan to restore to the Nexus S when it arrives
meaning i'm already over the limit, and i've not even started yet

The answer is probably no. The same question was raised on the MT4G/G2 forums regarding their internal storage and it was determined that the eMMC/storage/whatever it's called chip can only be flashed one time. After that, it is physically impossible to change how it's partitioned in any way.
Now, granted, this is a Samsung device and, thus, they may use different chips. I find it unlikely, though, that it will be any different.

there might be a chance if Nexus S is indeed another breed of the Galaxy S family.
if it's fixed size and not changeable, then it's a good news for us, we will not see the corruption problems we found on many SGS when people repeatedly formatted their Internal SD to try different things
but on the other hand, it will kinda suck, as that will really limit the amount of Apps we can install in the device.
which will put a very heavy enphasis on using App2SD even more

AllGamer said:
there might be a chance if Nexus S is indeed another breed of the Galaxy S family.
if it's fixed size and not changeable, then it's a good news for us, we will not see the corruption problems we found on many SGS when people repeatedly formatted their Internal SD to try different things
but on the other hand, it will kinda suck, as that will really limit the amount of Apps we can install in the device.
which will put a very heavy enphasis on using App2SD even more
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You know, a gigabyte for apps goes a very long way. I had 130 apps on my i9000, lots of big ones like CoPilot and some games. I never even got over the 500mb mark on using up my app storage.
Never say never, of course, but I can't imagine worrying about app space on my phone. I'm sure I'll have a new one with much better specs by next summer, which, if apps start growing in size, will have more memory.

How do you have 1.5GB of apps? I have over 150 installed, and they're only like 300MB. Granted, I don't have a ton of games, but I still think it would be hard to get that many apps.
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Action Item!! Petition to Increase Apps Partition

If you're anything like me, you're frustrated with having only 300MB of an 8GB drive available to install applications. Sure, custom firmware is a potential solution, but should we really have to void our warranties for basic, no-brainer functionality? I say no! Sign this petition, and once we have a demonstrated body of people interested, we can all make Archos aware of it.
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/archosgen8
Thanks, friends.

thiazzi said:
If you're anything like me, you're frustrated with having only 300MB of an 8GB drive available to install applications. Sure, custom firmware is a potential solution, but should we really have to void our warranties for basic, no-brainer functionality? I say no! Sign this petition, and once we have a demonstrated body of people interested, we can all make Archos aware of it.
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/archosgen8
Thanks, friends.
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as I wrote [EDIT] on Archosfans forum [/EDIT] 1GB is fine for the A43 and up considering the uSD slot, but max I could accept for my A32 would be to go to a max of 512MB.
I'd doubt that A28 owners would want to give ANY space up at all, but it's even more limited as far as storage goes than the A32 and I'd have to call it of questionable usefulness for apps given that I really only run apps on the A32 in a pinch. (Probably because I find the ultra low res annoying... not to mention the A28 is also further constrained by available RAM...)

Right, so an optional firmware update or modification would be ideal. I trust the folks are Archos are savvy enough to account for everybody's needs.

If you have root (Archangel works) try Move2SD Enabler.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=720739
Its fantastic, read the instructions and don't move any system apps or apps using widgets.

I have installed move2sd enabler, and it definitely helps. However, if you like to read a lot like I do and have Kobo, Nook, Kindle, Aldiko, and OverDrive installed, they still leave a combined total of like 30MB+ on the system storage! That's 10 percent or more of the app partition just for books. Throw in a couple of games like Pocket Legends and Angry Birds, and you're cooked!
I wish more devs would be like the folks that made Highborn or Shadow Era, and only leave like 300KB of the original 44MB apk on system storage, but I think petitioning Archos is more likely to help our little Gen 8 community more immediately.
Thanks for the sigs, folks. We're already up over 20!

You know actually thinking about this the gTablet and many other just allocate 2GB to app storage, which I wouldn't mind either. OTOH I think that I've barely used 425MB or so max on the gTab at one time or another...
IIRC many games with "HUGE" (well for mobile devices) seem to prefer to put their data in /sdcard which depending upon device is actually the SD card(or uSD) or the leftover internal flash not assigned to system or data etc. I must admit to not having really paid attention to how the Archos tabs do it as I've left bothof mine bog standard stock fw plus various additional apps which suits me for what I use them for.
(Even my phone is stock but that's gonna have to change as it has even LESS storage for apps which is also shared for things like messaging... but I'm going to try to hold out for the next update then go to a CM7 variant that pushes apps out onto the uSD...)

Would rather they made it an option (like the FAT32/ext3 choice).
Making it compulsory and 1gb is not in everyones interests. Some users will instill no apps or very few and want all the storage for music/movies etc. Forcing 1GB apps area on them is wrong and will also mean archos are not providing the advertised storage in these users eyes.
I suggest we request they add an option to either turn on/off the larger 1GB apps area. Or have a drop down box where the user can choose apps area. Say; 300MB (Standard/Default), 500MB, 750MB, 1GB & 2GB. This way the user can choose the most suitable apps partaition size for themselves and on the flipside Archos are still providing (selling) the advertised data storage out of the box.
Not sure how but, if others agree, can we ammend this petition so we are asking archos to allow the user to select a larger apps partition either 1GB (yes/no arrangement) or select apps partition size from a small list.
Would this idea not be much better for all concerned.
Kind Regards
John

I don't support this petition and think the devs should rather spend their time with something more important. I only install the applications I need and uninstall everything I don't need. If one really needs more, then he can install Uruk.

1Gb might be a little too much : I only have the 8gb model (hopefully I have a 16Gb sd card)!

Unmensch said:
I don't support this petition and think the devs should rather spend their time with something more important. I only install the applications I need and uninstall everything I don't need. If one really needs more, then he can install Uruk.
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Even if you uninstall you will find that you are still eating up space. Furthermore, using UrukDroid voids your warranty and this shouldn't be required. The 101 was advertised with 8/16GB and no mention was included in the marketing material about the 256MB capacity for apps. This should not be an issue but it is and it is a bit peevish of you to take such a position since the worst thing that could happen in your case is a reduction of internal storage by some megabytes, which even if you were using you can make up with an SD card.

This is one of those things that bugs me about android; why cant I choose the install location? I now have 4 android devices, so I am not hating on it. I just miss all the features of Symbian and WinMo 6.5, like installing where I want. If anyone knows why they did it this way im all ears, maybe they had a reason?

Easy Answer.
There are paid Apps in the Market and the ( google ) needed a more or less easy but effective way to secure them so that stealing them is not easy.
So in the first 6 incarnations Apps are phone Memory only.
With Froyo they invented a feature where the appdev could decide that and how much of the app could be put somewhere else.
So if there would be none/less people stealing apps there would be no need for this.

no works on my 101

[Q] How much space for applications?

I preordered the 16gb, and how much gbs are allotted to install apps? I have the galaxy s2 and my limit was about 2gb, and I ran out of room.. Will I have the same problem with Nexus 7?

The 16GB should allow around 14GB for you to mess around with. Somebody posted an exact number somewhere on here....

13.33GB
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Questions go in the Q&A section

On Android 3.0 and above you no longer have seperate partitions for apps and data.
The Nexus 7 has 5.7 (8gb) or 13.3 (16GB) GB of space for apps and all other data.

neok44 said:
On Android 3.0 and above you no longer have seperate partitions for apps and data.
The Nexus 7 has 5.7 (8gb) or 13.3 (16GB) GB of space for apps and all other data.
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Why, is it that my galaxy s2 on ICS, is still limited to 2gb?

lin013190 said:
Why, is it that my galaxy s2 on ICS, is still limited to 2gb?
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might be cause it is a Pre-ICS phone.
I never understood why device manufacturers always take away some GB from the available storage. Why not dedicate storage separate from everything else for the system/OS and give us the full 16gb?

Galactic2 said:
might be cause it is a Pre-ICS phone.
I never understood why device manufacturers always take away some GB from the available storage. Why not dedicate storage separate from everything else for the system/OS and give us the full 16gb?
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Hmm, I guess, it was gingerbread 2.3.6 and then they released Kies ICS, and I upgraded it but still restricts to 2gb.

neok44 said:
On Android 3.0 and above you no longer have seperate partitions for apps and data.
The Nexus 7 has 5.7 (8gb) or 13.3 (16GB) GB of space for apps and all other data.
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assuming dark of the moon is actually on the flash storage and isn't streamed, deleting it if you don't want/like would give more maybe even 1gb......

neok44 said:
On Android 3.0 and above you no longer have seperate partitions for apps and data.
The Nexus 7 has 5.7 (8gb) or 13.3 (16GB) GB of space for apps and all other data.
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If everything is on the same partition, then how does mounting USB storage work? Do you have any links regarding the partitioning?

If you had a Pre-ICS phone like the Galaxy S II then the partions would remain like they were before.
My post only applies to devices that shipped with ICS, and specifically nexus devices since i can't speak for any device i don't own.
@fox: from what i've read, Transformers is almost 2GB of data and is not downloaded already (at least on the I/O ones). The storage space i posted is confirmed actual space from the I/O Nexus 7 and 16GB Galaxy Nexus. That is total space, not free after system/sd data
@AZImmortal: The device uses MTP for use on Windows. Macs require some software (www.android.com/filetransfer)
This allows you to only see the /sdcard partition and the system is protected. Also has a lot of stupid issues as well but it's the best way to keep the system secure. Many people who have Galaxy Nexus devices use AirDroid or other similar apps to transfer data since MTP is very annoying.

Ah, thanks for the explanation. My devices have all shipped with Gingerbread or lower so far so I haven't been exposed to MTP.

AZImmortal said:
Ah, thanks for the explanation. My devices have all shipped with Gingerbread or lower so far so I haven't been exposed to MTP.
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no problem. it was a huge shock for those of us who bought Galaxy Nexus devices as well.
MTP does suck sometimes, but it really is the best way to deal with it. I do recommend checking out AirDroid. just amazing app and works over your wifi network so no USB cable needed. And transfers are a lot faster than USB/MTP

[Q] Actual Storage on the Nexus 7

How much GB of storage does the 8 GB and 16 GB versions of the Nexus 7 actually have?

The 8 GB model has 5.74 GB on it

So the 16 gb version should have approx 13.74 gb available.

It should have 13.74, unless the unusable space is directly proportional to that of the 8gb. In this case it would have approximately 11.118 gb for the user.

any way to change your order from 8 GB to 16 GB?

sharp2G said:
any way to change your order from 8 GB to 16 GB?
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I don't think you can. I read somewhere that Google won't let you cancel your pre-order. The only way is to refuse delivery.

northcutt1023 said:
I don't think you can. I read somewhere that Google won't let you cancel your pre-order. The only way is to refuse delivery.
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damn. that's unfortunate. guess some of my music will have to be left out lol. i sent them an email. maybe i'll get lucky.

Xi2wiked said:
So the 16 gb version should have approx 13.74 gb available.
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I don't fully agree with this guess (no offence!). Let me have a go!
So, with an 8 gig model (this is 8*10^9 bytes not 8*2^30 bytes - it's how all hard drives are sold) we know this has a usable space of 5.74Gb. Now, just the raw drive will have 7.45Gb of space (this is the marketed 8 gig figure's actual size - 8*10^9/2^30). So 7.45-5.74 suggests 1.80Gb of space taken up by the filesystem and the operating system and whatever else is on there. So, the raw drive size of a 16 gig model is 14.9Gb using the above formula. Assuming that the overheads are constant (I've no idea if this is a valid assumption or not but I would imagine the size of the OS is) then my estimate is 14.9-1.80 = 13.1Gb. (All figures are correct to 3 significant figures.)
I'm half way through a maths masters (it's summer - I'm bored) so I have some confidence in using my calculator, but, I don't know if my understanding is correct! If when someone does get the 16 gig model I'd like to know the actual answer (I'm getting the 8). I hope someone can prove me wrong/right!

rowanparker said:
I don't fully agree with this guess (no offence!). Let me have a go!
So, with an 8 gig model (this is 8*10^9 bytes not 8*2^30 bytes - it's how all hard drives are sold) we know this has a usable space of 5.74Gb. Now, just the raw drive will have 7.45Gb of space (this is the marketed 8 gig figure's actual size - 8*10^9/2^30). So 7.45-5.74 suggests 1.80Gb of space taken up by the filesystem and the operating system and whatever else is on there. So, the raw drive size of a 16 gig model is 14.9Gb using the above formula. Assuming that the overheads are constant (I've no idea if this is a valid assumption or not but I would imagine the size of the OS is) then my estimate is 14.9-1.80 = 13.1Gb. (All figures are correct to 3 significant figures.)
I'm half way through a maths masters (it's summer - I'm bored) so I have some confidence in using my calculator, but, I don't know if my understanding is correct! If when someone does get the 16 gig model I'd like to know the actual answer (I'm getting the 8). I hope someone can prove me wrong/right!
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he's most likely basing it off of an existing device.
For Example, my 16GB Galaxy Nexus shows 13.33GB total space in the storage settings. But in various apps it reads as 13,648MB.
Anyway, exact storage for 16GB will be above 13GB.

neok44 said:
he's most likely basing it off of an existing device.
For Example, my 16GB Galaxy Nexus shows 13.33GB total space in the storage settings. But in various apps it reads as 13,648MB.
Anyway, exact storage for 16GB will be above 13GB.
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Ah, that would make more sense. I thought he was just taking the same amount off.

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Ah, that would make more sense. I thought he was just taking the same amount off.
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he could of been, but since no one has the 16GB N7, anything is a guess.

rowanparker said:
I don't fully agree with this guess (no offence!). Let me have a go!
So, with an 8 gig model (this is 8*10^9 bytes not 8*2^30 bytes - it's how all hard drives are sold) we know this has a usable space of 5.74Gb. Now, just the raw drive will have 7.45Gb of space (this is the marketed 8 gig figure's actual size - 8*10^9/2^30). So 7.45-5.74 suggests 1.80Gb of space taken up by the filesystem and the operating system and whatever else is on there. So, the raw drive size of a 16 gig model is 14.9Gb using the above formula. Assuming that the overheads are constant (I've no idea if this is a valid assumption or not but I would imagine the size of the OS is) then my estimate is 14.9-1.80 = 13.1Gb. (All figures are correct to 3 significant figures.)
I'm half way through a maths masters (it's summer - I'm bored) so I have some confidence in using my calculator, but, I don't know if my understanding is correct! If when someone does get the 16 gig model I'd like to know the actual answer (I'm getting the 8). I hope someone can prove me wrong/right!
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I have always been confused by this. I have always felt like saying a device has 8, 16, or 32 GB of memory is false advertising since every time I get a device with that amount of memory, there is usually much less free space. I didn't realize that the amount of memory the OS takes up isn't factored into the equation, and the whole bit vs byte confuses me as well. Oh well, lol. Thats why I never became a computer engineer, I guess.

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any way to change your order from 8 GB to 16 GB?
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This was at the bottom on my order:
Need to make a change to your order? Call us at 1-855-83-NEXUS (1-855-836-3987)

Actual Usable Storage
Hi Guys,
I put together a list of the actual usable internal storage of different phones so that we can compare and see which one has how much. This can be found on:
http://icethreads.com/actual-usable-storage-of-mobile-phones/
Let me know if you found it useful!
Regards,
- Harris

One thing is for sure, the usable storage space on the nexus is a hell of a lot better than the usable storage space on the M$ Surface lol
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