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Hello everyone, as the title says I'd like to test out the ART runtime and maybe switch back to Dalvik if I need it. Since I've never done it would be nice to gather some feedbacks from you guys. Also I don't know if doing all of this switch will leave some junk in the memory. Thank you!
P.S. I asked in the worng section, sorry. Someone could move the post in the Q&A?
I went back and forth between the two on a few kitkat phones (inc. G GPE) with no issues really.
there was an issue with some version of Flipboard which would bootloop your device if on ART, think its solved by now, not sure though.
Better stay with dalvik for now we will switch to art once we get L.
Tried both . Could not find any noticeable difference.
when I switched to art, i noticed it takes more ram, about 100MB more or less. although, I never noticed any performance change, positive nor negative, only slightly longer battery. i think i still have problems with google hangout using as default SMS app but not sure if it is because of ART, it might be. as I said, almost no difference except of slightly longer battery and not working hanouts as SMS[which I didn't like in the first place]
I'm using a few apps and according to this site: http://www.androidruntime.com/list none of them are reported to not work on ART. Thanks to anyone for the fast replies. I'll give you feebacks when I give it a shot.
I'm using ART on my phone as default.
The only problem I ever had with ART, was the incompatibility with "Facebook Beta" apart from that, in my experience my phone is more responsive on ART than it is with Dalvik.
MeanDroid
In ART i could not move apps to SD. Now back to Dalvik it is possible again.
No Differance
i was running on Dalvik on 4.4.2 and once i updated to 4.4.4 , i reset my Phone and changed to ART, i did not find any reason till now to switch back to Dalvik, although i did not find any noticeable Speed improvement or Better battery life. no force closes except 2-3 times with Subway surfers in this 2 months.
I swiched to ART as soon as i got 4.4, didnt fine any difference
Hey, I'm also using ART, no problems, just I find the battery draining fast. 10 minutes disconnected from charger and battery went down 2%... hope to see any difference in battery when L arrives
i use art when i got an upgdate to 4.4.4 i noticed that all my apps when i open it fast... but sadly i return to dalvik again because everytime i update some application like facebook, gmail.. etc some other apps most of the time my phone restart everytime i make an update it will restart that's why i return to dalvik again
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In ART i could not move apps to SD. Now back to Dalvik it is possible again.
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Hello,
You're right.
According "The SDCard Bible for Moto G 4G/LTE" (https://forums.motorola.com/posts/7e59cc7baf), "Move to SD card" doesn't work on ART.
And ART uses a lot more space than Dalvik.
So, unfortunately ART is not a good deal for Moto G 4G/LTE (XT1040), in my opinion.
http://www.addictivetips.com/android/art-vs-dalvik-android-runtime-environments-explained-compared/
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Meet ART
Part 1: http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...-in-secret-for-over-2-years-debuts-in-kitkat/
Part 2: http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...ormance-wont-blow-away-today-will-get-better/
Part 3: http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...ery-life-benchmarks-not-good-but-not-too-bad/
I haven't found one application I use that wasn't compatible with ART. IMO, there is a noticeable difference between using ART over dalvik. This holds true on the Nexus 5 as well. The Moto G is very smooth with 4.4 Y2FS, and ART enabled. I was quite unhappy with my Moto G running stock with dalvik enabled, but I'm very happy with my current set up. It's nearly as fast as my Nexus 5.
This morning I switched from Dalvik to ART just out of curiosity. Took forever to "upgrade apps" after the initial boot and the phone got a little warm during the process. Overall performance is good, though. Possibly better than before. I was having random stutters and this may have smoothed things out, I'm not sure. Anyone else tried ART? What's your experience so far?
Yep,
I tried but switched back to Dalvik. I saw no advantage with ART.
Art was smoother, although some apps refuse to work. Back on dalvik as well
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I switched the 2nd day having it so i cant speak much for dalvik but ART has been running like a champ. I have gotten at least 16 hours out of every charge with between 3 and 5.5 hours screen on. I havent had any app compatability problems except for possibly s health. But i uninstalled the latest update to the app and it runs fine again.
On mine dalvik runs way better than art. Saw more issues and higher Temps with art so switched back
I switched to ART over the weekend and didn't really notice a difference performance and battery wise and I ran into a couple apps that wouldn't work, so now I am back on Dalvik. The apps I had issues with was Pandora, Shealth, and Resco Mobile CRM.
Pandora was fixed with an uninstall and reinstall from the Play store.
S-Health just needed the updates uninstalled and it worked
Resco I just couldn't get to work at all.
Hey there,
I've been using my S5 (G900F) since 3 months now, and I was using Dalvik as system runtime, and since ART was NEW-ish I didn't want to jump in yet ... until 3 weeks ago!
I tried ART runtime, the phone rebooted, done its stuff and for my surprise! the phone got slower and less responsive and the battery drained like hell!
I saw these problems:
Battery drain
Supper laggy apps! some of them break!
sometimes the phone freezes for a while (but I can see that the touch is working but no respond on many apps, even the lock screen!)
Private Mode wont work, and only works on Dalvik!
Slow performances, I didn't try benchmarking but I saw some important frame drops and slowliness on many games and apps!
Phone gets hotter than it should!
Sometimes I have to reboot it to get it to work!
My questions are:
Is it only me or it's common?
I have many apps installed on Dalvik, after ART they don't work (even n other phone it does work), why?
Why private mode is broken on ART?
Should I reset the device then ART-it then reinstall all my apps?
For info: my S5 is NOT rooted and still under warranty, I really don't want to root it now (cuz it will take me time cuz I'll be playing with it all the time) and I have the latest updates (for now ) and I got many apps broken after ART like Chrome and messaging apps and other tools!
Thanks
Does anybody know if we are able to flash any other versions of GApps on the rooted LG V20?
My V20 is from AT&T and since day one it has had terrible battery life. Where I was able to use my Note7 or Droid Turbo all day and still have battery left, the V20 eats the battery charge like Sally Struthers in a See's Candy warehouse. I mean, I have to charge this thing at least 2 times a day when I use it to search the web or any battery intensive purposes. I never had this problem on any other phone. I have been trying to find ways to improve my battery. I used Rom Toolbox Pro to disable all kinds of stuff, and it worked great, until my phone started Grand Mal seizing giving me the Google Play Services has to close notifications, which I then had to factory reset just to get my phone working properly again.
I would like to try flashing a minimal version of GApps that pretty much just has the play store and play store services. Are we able to do this on our V20's without having any issues? If you have any input at all I would really appreciate it.
IMHO it must be an app or two you have installed draining your battery like that. On a full charge I can a whole day and a little in to the next. I am a heavy user too. Are you blasting the brightness at 100% all the time? If so auto brightness will help a little. Go in to setting and see what is using that much drain
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IMHO it must be an app or two you have installed draining your battery like that. On a full charge I can a whole day and a little in to the next. I am a heavy user too. Are you blasting the brightness at 100% all the time? If so auto brightness will help a little. Go in to setting and see what is using that much drain
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I was thinking it might be something I installed, as well. But I can't seem to pinpoint any apps that might be causing the battery drain. I keep the screen on auto brightness like you mentioned so it shouldn't be the screen. GSam almost always shows the Android System and Kernel (Android OS) at the top of the list of battery-draining apps. I love the phone, I just cannot figure out what is going on. I mean, I am not doing anything different than I have on my previous phones, and the V20 seems to be working fine. I thought maybe it is something with Nougat. I will gladly post some pics of app usage or data if it might help figure this problem out.
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I was thinking it might be something I installed, as well. But I can't seem to pinpoint any apps that might be causing the battery drain. I keep the screen on auto brightness like you mentioned so it shouldn't be the screen. GSam almost always shows the Android System and Kernel (Android OS) at the top of the list of battery-draining apps. I love the phone, I just cannot figure out what is going on. I mean, I am not doing anything different than I have on my previous phones, and the V20 seems to be working fine. I thought maybe it is something with Nougat. I will gladly post some pics of app usage or data if it might help figure this problem out.
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What rom are you on? Are you on stock white theme? I'm running a dark theme, which can help save a little juice. I'm also running as many team blackout apps as I can (many Google apps) to avoid all the whiteness. Just throwing out some ideas.
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What rom are you on? Are you on stock white theme? I'm running a dark theme, which can help save a little juice. I'm also running as many team blackout apps as I can (many Google apps) to avoid all the whiteness. Just throwing out some ideas.
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Interesting! I have never heard of Team Blackout Apps, they look pretty nice! Yes, I am on the stock ROM just the way it comes. I haven't changed anything at all. I have barely installed any apps just to see if I can find what is causing the battery to drain. Are there any other ROMs that work with the AT&T variant of the LG V20? It seems like they haven't made any yet for the AT&T V20. I am still waiting for Xposed to be released that is compatible with nougat so I can use Amplify.
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Interesting! I have never heard of Team Blackout Apps, they look pretty nice! Yes, I am on the stock ROM just the way it comes. I haven't changed anything at all. I have barely installed any apps just to see if I can find what is causing the battery to drain. Are there any other ROMs that work with the AT&T variant of the LG V20? It seems like they haven't made any yet for the AT&T V20. I am still waiting for Xposed to be released that is compatible with nougat so I can use Amplify.
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I don't think there are any roms for AT&T variant atm. I did see an AT&T user flashed the stock deodexed rom by tilde88 in rom section. Not sure of all the details though. I'm assuming you would lose some functionality...would need to flash stock kernel as well.
What is your leading source of battery drain under system usage?
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I don't think there are any roms for AT&T variant atm. I did see an AT&T user flashed the stock deodexed rom by tilde88 in rom section. Not sure of all the details though. I'm assuming you would lose some functionality...would need to flash stock kernel as well.
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Yeah definitely, I think it is a little bit too early, for me at least, to expetiment with a deodexed ROM. But I know there will be some awesome developments coming out soon. I was so happy to see that a root was figured out for the V20 so quickly after it was released. Until then, I will keep experimenting with the stock ROM.
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What is your leading source of battery drain under system usage?
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Hi Swizzle82, thank you for the reply. It is kind of difficult for me to pinpoint what the leading source of battery drain is because the apps seem to bunch all detected processes and wakelocks together. I know that Call Services & Android System show up on top a lot of the time, but since I factory reset the phone today, the stats are minimal compared to what I previously had. WeChat also uses resources, but I used that app all the time on my Note7 and previous phones, even more than I do now, and it never caused a problem. I attached some screenshots from GSam, BetterBatteryStats, Wakelock Detector, and CPU Spy Reloaded., I don't know if they will help, but just switching between those few apps and taking some screenshots over the span of 6 minutes, my battery percentage dropped from 79% to 76%.
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Yeah definitely, I think it is a little bit too early, for me at least, to expetiment with a deodexed ROM. But I know there will be some awesome developments coming out soon. I was so happy to see that a root was figured out for the V20 so quickly after it was released. Until then, I will keep experimenting with the stock ROM.
Hi Swizzle82, thank you for the reply. It is kind of difficult for me to pinpoint what the leading source of battery drain is because the apps seem to bunch all detected processes and wakelocks together. I know that Call Services & Android System show up on top a lot of the time, but since I factory reset the phone today, the stats are minimal compared to what I previously had. WeChat also uses resources, but I used that app all the time on my Note7 and previous phones, even more than I do now, and it never caused a problem. I attached some screenshots from GSam, BetterBatteryStats, Wakelock Detector, and CPU Spy Reloaded., I don't know if they will help, but just switching between those few apps and taking some screenshots over the span of 6 minutes, my battery percentage dropped from 79% to 76%.
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I had android system for a while killing me.. I factory reset and setup every app one by one with no data transfer or anything. Installed every app like it's first install. I charged it til it reached 100 percent, with the phone plugged in, I went to data/system/batterystars.bin and deleted that file and rebooted. It was a long process but it hasn't been an issue since. This was when the phone first came out last month. Never knew which apps data it was but it is gone now.
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I had android system for a while killing me.. I factory reset and setup every app one by one with no data transfer or anything. Installed every app like it's first install. I charged it til it reached 100 percent, with the phone plugged in, I went to data/system/batterystars.bin and deleted that file and rebooted. It was a long process but it hasn't been an issue since. This was when the phone first came out last month. Never knew which apps data it was but it is gone now.
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That sounds like a good idea to try. I will do this today since I already factory reset it yesterday. I would rather do it now before I get further into using it again. I have not heard about this until you mentioned it so maybe there is an issue with app transfers with the V20 causing it. The battery does seem to drain less than before, but it seems like there are still some issues. Thank you for the suggestion!
nikktrikk said:
That sounds like a good idea to try. I will do this today since I already factory reset it yesterday. I would rather do it now before I get further into using it again. I have not heard about this until you mentioned it so maybe there is an issue with app transfers with the V20 causing it. The battery does seem to drain less than before, but it seems like there are still some issues. Thank you for the suggestion!
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If you followed did the dirtysanta method, make sure you flash the Konverged kernel for the H918. Or Tilde88's 5.1 kernel for the H918. It worked wonders on improving battery life. Also make sure you disable Lookout - that drains a lot of battery it seemed to me at least. I usually get about a day and a half of battery life when I use my normal amount (which is honestly quite a bit).
Twisted
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If you followed did the dirtysanta method, make sure you flash the Konverged kernel for the H918. Or Tilde88's 5.1 kernel for the H918. It worked wonders on improving battery life. Also make sure you disable Lookout - that drains a lot of battery it seemed to me at least. I usually get about a day and a half of battery life when I use my normal amount (which is honestly quite a bit).
Twisted
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Okay, thanks for letting me know! I have not even looked at those kernels thinking they weren't cross compatible with H910. I am going to try it right now with the dirtysanta method. I will disable Lookout, as well. There are a ton of apps that I never use that drain the battery. I will let you know how it goes :good:
Did you own a V10 or other Lg phone prior?
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Did you own a V10 or other Lg phone prior?
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No, I had the Note7 before getting the LG V20. Before that I had a Note 4 and a Droid Turbo. This is my first LG phone and I really do love it. I actually like it more than the Note7, the only problem I have is the battery. I do think that factory resetting and manually installing the apps instead of restoring them will help, and using the Konverged kernel seems promising, from what I am reading.
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No, I had the Note7 before getting the LG V20. Before that I had a Note 4 and a Droid Turbo. This is my first LG phone and I really do love it. I actually like it more than the Note7, the only problem I have is the battery. I do think that factory resetting and manually installing the apps instead of restoring them will help, and using the Konverged kernel seems promising, from what I am reading.
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Yup I always start fresh and install apps manually anytime I reset my phone. I think it's always nice to start fresh - even if it is sometimes a bit inconvenient to go through all the apps you've installed and choosing which ones to install. Hopefully you get it all sorted out!
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I had android system for a while killing me.. I factory reset and setup every app one by one with no data transfer or anything. Installed every app like it's first install. I charged it til it reached 100 percent, with the phone plugged in, I went to data/system/batterystars.bin and deleted that file and rebooted. It was a long process but it hasn't been an issue since. This was when the phone first came out last month. Never knew which apps data it was but it is gone now.
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Yup I always start fresh and install apps manually anytime I reset my phone. I think it's always nice to start fresh - even if it is sometimes a bit inconvenient to go through all the apps you've installed and choosing which ones to install. Hopefully you get it all sorted out!
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Okay, I just factory reset the phone, rooted it with DirtySanta, and flashed the Konverged kernel and the phone is NOTICEABLY faster and smoother! This is great! Each time I reset the phone, it had noticeable lag. I just figured it would go away over time, which it did, and that it was because it had to load and download everything since it was fresh. But with the Konverged kernel, it has none of the lag and is silky smooth! Time to manually install the apps I want and disable some stuff I don't need. I will update you guys after I see how the battery is with the new setup Thanks a lot for your help, I really appreciate all the input!:good:
I need your help! I changed the screen cover sensor to off not realizing that I would not be able to turn off the static after rebooting my phone since the sensor is off. Would somebody please post a few screenshots showing how to navigate to the screen sensor settings so I can tap my way there and turn it back on? I am trying but there is no way to tell where to tap with all the static. Thank you!
Nevermind, I fixed it! I finally navigated to the second screen settings and turned it off when the screen is off and that got rid of the static after I turned the screen off then on again. Note to self, never do that again LOL.
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I need your help! I changed the screen cover sensor to off not realizing that I would not be able to turn off the static after rebooting my phone since the sensor is off. Would somebody please post a few screenshots showing how to navigate to the screen sensor settings so I can tap my way there and turn it back on? I am trying but there is no way to tell where to tap with all the static. Thank you!
Nevermind, I fixed it! I finally navigated to the second screen settings and turned it off when the screen is off and that got rid of the static after I turned the screen off then on again. Note to self, never do that again LOL.
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Wow I'm fairly impressed you managed to do all that with the static screen haha - glad to hear it worked out for you in the end.
Get me your stock system.img and boot.img, and I'll make you a modded ROM with a custom kernel!
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Wow I'm fairly impressed you managed to do all that with the static screen haha - glad to hear it worked out for you in the end.
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Haha yeah, I never knew something like that could cause such a huge problem. Now I can't seem to find what I did to cause that in the first place. I have been looking through all of the settings and can't seem to find anything that affects the proximity sensor. On top of that, the screen rotation stopped working, it will not rotate when I turn the phone to the side to type. I have toggled all of the motion and second screen settings, calibrated the motion sensor, and nothing is affecting it. When I turn the main screen off, the sensor does not shut off the second screen when I cover it with my finger, and the phone does not recognize when I rotate the screen. I am kind of at a loss on how to fix it.
I updated my ZTE Axon 7 to Android 7 and I started hating the mobile.
Issues:
1. Finger print recognition is not perfect.
2. whatsapp is very slow - especially - taking and photo and sending it.
3. phone is deadslow most of the time. i.e. I have to click on some apps and wait for sometime, some cases it closes automatically.
Is there a way to go back to Android 6 or What is the return policy. I bought the phone 1.5 months back in Amazon.
I am really frustrated with this thing and I need to get rid of it.
I am with you on this...same happened to me also.
Phone is too slow, fingerprint is not identifying the print accurately and its too slow, whtasapp is a disaster.
Apps opens too slow.
Same issues here...
I read in the ZTE Forum that a couple people have gone back to MM with the file from the ZTE support website but I am not sure if I want to do that ... or wait a couple days so ZTE will HOPEFULLY come up with a hotfix...
There are a lot of other issues also like verizon SIM is not recognized at all, fingerprint issue, battery drain, slow animations, performance over all....
You may need to move to LineageOS
what aboutLineageOS?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/axon-7/development/unofficial-lineageos-14-1-zte-axon-7-t3545679
+1 all issues mentioned by original poster, I don't know if ZTE actually QC this release or not ? The whole performance is abysmal after update.
Try wiping data/factory reset
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I updated my ZTE Axon 7 to Android 7 and I started hating the mobile.
Issues:
1. Finger print recognition is not perfect.
2. whatsapp is very slow - especially - taking and photo and sending it.
3. phone is deadslow most of the time. i.e. I have to click on some apps and wait for sometime, some cases it closes automatically.
Is there a way to go back to Android 6 or What is the return policy. I bought the phone 1.5 months back in Amazon.
I am really frustrated with this thing and I need to get rid of it.
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You're not allowed to return it
So I've done full factory resets twice, cleared cache, etc. My phone is still about half of what it was on 6.0. Fingerprint reader is what is killing it for me.
+1 I feel this phone is so slow. Is it under clocked? I came from a Zenfone 2 running an Intel x86 and it never lagged. This phone seems so laggy with scrolling, apps etc. Feel a bit disappointed. Is it the Nougat update? Thanks.
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My phone has definately lagged a bit sometimes but its been working fine otherwise after the Nougat update. I did a factory wipe and my phone isnt rooted.
Just a thought, don't know for sure, but you should head over to this thread see if this helps you any
https://forum.xda-developers.com/axon-7/development/2-15-2017-axon-7-msm-8996-cpu-vm-ram-t3557392
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So I've done full factory resets twice, cleared cache, etc. My phone is still about half of what it was on 6.0. Fingerprint reader is what is killing it for me.
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I've done the same thing. Factory reset 6 times and I've also cleared cache numerous times. I've tried a few things because I also had random restarts that would happen from once every 15 minutes to once every few hours and sometimes not turn back on or get stuck in deep sleep. So far as of now I've tried a few tweaks that seems to have sped up nougat substantially. The auto powers are mode seems to be bugged off the bat with nougat. I've been running in performance mode and have gotten better battery life than in auto mode. Also speed is increased and my restart issue has disappeared thus far. If I were you I'd just tweak the settings and give it a few days. After talking with zte support, they are under helpful and both return options for replacement are obscene at best.
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I've done the same thing. Factory reset 6 times and I've also cleared cache numerous times. I've tried a few things because I also had random restarts that would happen from once every 15 minutes to once every few hours and sometimes not turn back on or get stuck in deep sleep. So far as of now I've tried a few tweaks that seems to have sped up nougat substantially. The auto powers are mode seems to be bugged off the bat with nougat. I've been running in performance mode and have gotten better battery life than in auto mode. Also speed is increased and my restart issue has disappeared thus far. If I were you I'd just tweak the settings and give it a few days. After talking with zte support, they are under helpful and both return options for replacement are obscene at best.
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Yeah, I've done all of those. Nothing seems to help. Facebook app still unusable, fingerprint reader only works about 1 out of 5 times, even after setting up multiple fingers, etc.... I am not a happy person. My phone is completely stock, too. I was laying off doing anything custom to it because of 7.0. Apparently that was a mistake.
Yeh after looking online it seems that almost every phone that got updated to nougat had a plethora of issues until hot fixes were issued. Even the nexus 5x had issues. Seems zte only made sure it kinda worked and then released it because people kept batching about the delay of initial rollout.