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Hi All
Yesterday while playing with my phone and after becoming a victim of the low speaker volume post dipping in water, I just found out that the external speaker's volume can be increased* on par with other competitor manufacturer phone by this method.
*Note: You WILL lose the waterproofness feature of the phone by doing this. Do this only if you're sure that you're not going to dunk your phone in the water the next time you want to show off. You have been warned.
So for this mod, all you need is a tiny sharp pin, gentle hands and patience.
I do not have any pictures to post at the moment but I guess this is a fairly simple task and anyone can perform it.
Using the sharp pin, pry out the shiny plastic frame just at the end of the external speaker. Only pry out the length of the speaker and not any longer because it's unnecessary. Then, you can find a tiny strip of micro porous membrane. This is what protects the phone from water ingress at the speaker output. Carefully peel out the membrane ensuring that it's not being damaged while you do this.
Just to confirm that this mod actually does help, you can perform your own test. Play your favourite song in Walkman, and peel and unpeel the membrane and notice the difference in sound output.
This mod will also help people who have very low volume after dipping the phone in water. Just peel the membrane a bit and then reattach it properly ensuring its properly sealed. This should solve your low volume problem. Press the frame material by applying force at the speaker area to seal the frame properly.
There you have it, it's not that the speaker is crap or the volume is too low in this phone. Things have been kept to a maintain a balance between durability and function.
Please do let me know if you like this mod and if it has helped you, hit the thanks button.
Has anyone tried this yet?
Does going too loud not damage the internals against which it was designed for? Not to mention the waterproofing being gone now.
iDroid8 said:
Does going too loud not damage the internals against which it was designed for? Not to mention the waterproofing being gone now.
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No iDroid8, the internals are not damaged by doing this mod, you're just opening up the more obstructed sound caused due to the waterproof flaps that are present in the Xperia Z.
This mod does not do anything to the speaker itself, the speaker works as stock but the sound is improved due to the much better opening created.
And Yes, as mentioned in the mod itself, this makes you lose the waterproof feature but this mod is for people who really want a louder phone and can live without the waterproofness feature.
you sure that's not just a dust filter?
There was a post some time ago from someone who'd dismantled their XZ and found a small piece of polycarb protecting the speaker that affected the volume.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=45115265&postcount=9
Possibly easier to link to the complete thread, http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/general/xperia-z-damn-loud-mods-t2419635
fards said:
you sure that's not just a dust filter?
There was a post some time ago from someone who'd dismantled their XZ and found a small piece of polycarb protecting the speaker that affected the volume.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=45115265&postcount=9
Possibly easier to link to the complete thread, http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/general/xperia-z-damn-loud-mods-t2419635
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I'm not sure about what's mentioned in that thread. There the backplate itself was removed. It could as well be the similar thing but I just accessed the mesh filter that we can see from outside near the speaker area. It might as well be a dust filter but then where's the water being stopped? Does it go into the mesh and then stop somewhere inside?
I know there has been some discussion in this forum about just how waterproof the Z3 is exactly and how far you can push it, so I wanted to share my experience from the past week. On day two of a six day trip to St. John, USVI my GoPro developed a nice crack in its housing. Seeing as there is no Amazon Prime in St. John and certainly no Best Buy, the GoPro was effectively out-of-action. Wanting to still capture pictures of our trip I decided to put Sony's marketing to the test and it live up to it. I took it snorkeling on three different occasions, for upwards of an hour. The attached photos were taken at depths of 5-10 feet and I had the camera submerged at times for longer than hour in saltwater. The only hang-up was taking video. Since you can only use the hardware button to take pictures, I had to surface to start and stop any videos. Not a big deal, just a warning.
My only caveat is...make sure you rinse out your headphone jack. Though it is waterproof, I noticed what looked like some light corrosion after my first day (makes sense, salt water and all). From then on I made sure to rinse it down with some fresh water from a water bottle as soon as I got out of the water. No problems since.
Hope this gives everyone enough confidence to start taking their phone in the shower!
Let me know if you have any questions!
Very cool pics man, thabks for sharig your experience, im still scared to even wash my phone under the sink lol
that is amazing! you should share those pics with Sony Mobile, I'm sure they will publish it and give you some credit. Not sure how many people have done that yet!
Nice photos.
From what Sony says avoid salt water. Despite their advertising showing oceanic photos, here is their warning:
"...we wouldn't recommend using your smartphone, tablet or accessory during a sandstorm or in a hot shower. Never immerse your device in salt water or let the micro USB port, headset jack or other uncovered parts come into contact with salt water. If you're washing dishes by hand, avoid letting your device come into contact with the detergent or any other liquid chemicals."
"Should the phone be submerged in salt water it would need to be washed off in fresh water and if on warranty inspection it was evident that the seals had been damaged by salt/chlorine, warranty would be void."
This guy had it die on him in a pool:
http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2014/10/15/4107561.htm
Nice pics! I'm definitely not scared to get mine wet anymore.
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Yeah, I was a little hesitant at first. Lots of quick dunks to see how it went but my confidence grew after the first few attempts went without issue. I had my Nexus 5 with me as a backup, so I figured...worst case scenario I had a backup phone.
I'm not surprised Sony doesn't recommend saltwater. Saltwater basically destroys everything it touches. Having said that, provided that you have all the ports sealed up, saltwater really shouldn't be getting in (besides the headphone jack). Makes me wonder if Sony has some water resistant coating applied to some of the internal components as a failsafe (would be effective against freshwater, but not saltwater).
Either way, I'm now 4 days after my last submersion and am experiencing no issues, so I am pretty pleased with this phone.
Very brave indeed, great pics.
Sony is a joke with it's water resistance comments, because... Hey here is our new waterproof (no it's not) (it's water resistant Sony) that you can't use in any water except a fresh water steam or lake.
Because lets face it, almost all pools contain chlorine, and almost all water around the home contains chlorine, leaving us...???
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since we know for sure that your phone is waterproof, could you please do the following test: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3/general/guide-test-waterproofing-water-t2897886
There is a theory that the Z3 has a valve/membrane to adjust for changes in air pressure which makes the pressure go down in that test.
thanks
Finally, I can take my Z3 to sea. Thanks for those picture!
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danw_oz said:
Very brave indeed, great pics.
Sony is a joke with it's water resistance comments, because... Hey here is our new waterproof (no it's not) (it's water resistant Sony) that you can't use in any water except a fresh water steam or lake.
Because lets face it, almost all pools contain chlorine, and almost all water around the home contains chlorine, leaving us...???
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Just take some time and read about ip65 and ip68, sony says that you can take ur z3 to swimming pool which contains chlorine, but you have to clean it witch fresh water after this.
With salt water this is impossible, because, salt makes corride everything that it touches.
Greets, sorry for bad english
abhinav.tella said:
This guy had it die on him in a pool:
http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2014/10/15/4107561.htm
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To be fair, it was a saltwater pool.
Bäcker said:
since we know for sure that your phone is waterproof, could you please do the following test: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3/general/guide-test-waterproofing-water-t2897886
There is a theory that the Z3 has a valve/membrane to adjust for changes in air pressure which makes the pressure go down in that test.
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I actually had read that thread beforehand and downloaded the "Sensor Sense" app which has a barometric pressure reader on it. Sure enough, if I open the MicroUSB port and apply pressure I get no movement on the pressure reading. When closed, the pressure spikes and then tends to even out.
I also ran the app and dunked it under water while running. The reading accurately changed to reflect the water pressure.
In short, I think that test works
Been watching Top Gear in the shower since I got the phone. Scared the **** out of this waiter the other day it was hilarious. He was pouring water in my cup while holding some other plates and he tried to balance out and spilled just a little bit of water on my phone. I pretended to freak out for a second then was like dude... its waterproof all is forgiven. O and I need to set something straight. Water resistant = cant be fully submerged, so the Z3 would definitely be water proof. Honestly best use I have found for this phone so far being water proof is texting/using maps in the rain.
Krustnesis said:
Just take some time and read about ip65 and ip68, sony says that you can take ur z3 to swimming pool which contains chlorine, but you have to clean it witch fresh water after this.
With salt water this is impossible, because, salt makes corride everything that it touches.
Greets, sorry for bad english
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Try reading what I wrote with your bad English, what fresh water are you going to use? tap water also contains chlorine, maybe fresh water from your rain water tank? My comments are highlighting Sony's confusing and conflicting information.
And my pool contains salt and chlorine
So if u have THAT much chlorine in ur fresh water then please forgive me. FRESH WATER means WATER FROM THE TAP. Concentration of chlorine in tap water is infinitesimal.
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So if u have THAT much chlorine in ur fresh water then please forgive me. FRESH WATER means WATER FROM THE TAP. Concentration of chlorine in tap water is infinitesimal.
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My pool does not have much chlorine either, so it is all relative. Same for drinking water, they all have sanitiser in it, unless you have to filter it. And Sony have stated that if they see that salt or chlorine have eaten away at the seals then no warranty, what they haven't offered anyone is what is a safe level of chlorine in the water not to damage the seals.
Despite the deceptive oceanic adverts by Sony, I never really intended to splash this phone. I see water proofing as a plus against accidental spills etc.
I always use soap and water under the tap to clean my Z3 every few days when it gets dirty/fingerprints/etc.
Most people are too chicken with the phone that's actually officially rated waterproof. My year old Z1 been through lakes and pools and I didn't even bother wash it after chlorine water and it still looks like new. I do agree that you have to rinse after salt water.
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. The only hang-up was taking video. Since you can only use the hardware button to take pictures, I had to surface to start and stop any videos. Not a big deal, just a warning.
Let me know if you have any questions!
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To use the camera underwater you have to enable "Touch Screen Lock" in the camera settings. Then use the physical camera button to snap pictures and the volume rocker to shoot video.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/How-...with-the-Sony-Xperia-Z3-or-Z3-Compact_id61505
Today, I was washing my Z3 Compact in the sink with soapy water. It was in contact with water for max. 20 seconds and the water got into the upper speaker.
Even stranger thing happened, the BOTTOM speaker stopped working for a while. (about 10 minutes) I tried to play some songs via the speakers and only one of them was working and the quality of the sound was extremely crappy.
After 10 minutes both speakers strarted working again, but it seems the sound is much quieter now... It maybe has something to do with a message which appeared to me earlier today as well, about some hearing damage, so maybe the phone has set up the audio quieter by itself.
If anybody knows how to set it louder again, please help! Thanks.
Anyway, this phone is not really waterproof
I shower with mine daily, and I've also had in the tub - fully submerged. No issues at all.
Fruktsallad said:
I shower with mine daily, and I've also had in the tub - fully submerged. No issues at all.
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I once was using the phone while having a bath, with no problems. But after I was washing the phone under running water this happened. Maybe soap is the problem(?)...
Soap reduces surface tension (that's what makes it *work*, for Pete's sake). This allows moisture to seep into places that water alone could not.
There is a very high probability that your use of soap caused this problem.
Showering with one is almost as bad, and for similar reasons.
Fruktsallad said:
I shower with mine daily, and I've also had in the tub - fully submerged. No issues at all.
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TJCacher said:
Soap reduces surface tension (that's what makes it *work*, for Pete's sake). This allows moisture to seep into places that water alone could not.
There is a very high probability that your use of soap caused this problem.
Showering with one is almost as bad, and for similar reasons.
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Well I was thinking that no fluid can get into the phone :angel:
I submerged my phone into water and later phoned somebody , the sound was also very muffled and the other person did not understand me very well. This was however due to residual water sitting in the mic/speaker, it dried out after a couple of hours and was fine again. Did not test the speakers at that time but i guess the sound issues that you describe could be very well this.
Just let it dry completely then try again.
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I submerged my phone into water and later phoned somebody , the sound was also very muffled and the other person did not understand me very well. This was however due to residual water sitting in the mic/speaker, it dried out after a couple of hours and was fine again. Did not test the speakers at that time but i guess the sound issues that you describe could be very well this.
Just let it dry completely then try again.
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I could clearly see the water got into one of the speakers (inside) and after 10 minutes it probably dried out with help of the heat from the phone.
Anyway, It's all good now, but it could kill the speakers. I changed the topic title...
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I could clearly see the water got into one of the speakers (inside) and after 10 minutes it probably dried out with help of the heat from the phone.
Anyway, It's all good now, but it could kill the speakers. I changed the topic title...
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Well dont get me wrong, i was not able to see any water with bare eye inside the hole, but since waiting and letting it dry removed the issue completely its the only explanation for the muffled sound. Anyway i would never use this phone in water again, since any drop or wear over the time can produce slight damage to the water seals integrity. The phone may be water proof (or not ) when it gets into your hands but that is no guarantee that its goind to stay that way.
In my opinion one should not use the phone underwater even if it is advertised. just be happy that it can take some rain, a spilled beer and if your lucky an accidental drop into pools etc... but i would avoid constantly putting this to the test.
Im pretty sure it says the phone is water resistant not waterproof..
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pricey2009 said:
Im pretty sure it says the phone is water resistant not waterproof..
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That's not really true.
Sony said:
Waterproof design that lets you do more
Xperia Z3 Compact is the smartphone designed to enhance your life. And life isn’t lived inside. With the highest waterproof rating*, Xperia Z3 Compact lets you answer calls in the rain or take pictures in the pool. And it can handle all the drops into the sink in between. Combined with a slim, compact design that’s easy to use with one hand, Xperia Z3 Compact is the Android smartphone that teams durability with beauty.
*In compliance with IP65 and IP68, the Xperia Z3 Compact is protected against the ingress of dust and is waterproof. Provided that all ports and covers are firmly closed, the phone is (i) dust tight and (ii) protected against low-pressure jets of water from all practicable directions in compliance with IP65; and/or (iii) can be kept under 1.5 m of fresh water for up to 30 minutes in compliance with IP68. Abuse and improper use of device will invalidate warranty. For more information see www.sonymobile.com/durability
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Source: http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/xperia-z3-compact/
I believe Sony says don't expose the phone to detergent or other liquid chemicals (as well as salt water)
Here's the quote:
"...never expose the device to any liquid chemicals. For example, if you’re washing dishes by hand using liquid detergent, avoid bringing your device in contact with the detergent. After exposure to non-fresh water, rinse your device using fresh water."
Source:
http://support.sonymobile.com/globa...sing-your-device-in-wet-and-dusty-conditions/
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hi
is safe to use my phone under water ?
what about headphone jack and all the speaker call and Loudspeaker .etc
Thanks
generally it is more water resistant than waterproof....my headphone jack malfunctions after going in water for a while because it thinks there's a headphone inserted when there isn't. Also my speakerphone doesn't work for a good couple of hours. So yeah, I wouldn't advise using it under water for long or at all, but if it does fall in a puddle or toilet with the cover closed it should be ok.
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is safe to use my phone under water ?
what about headphone jack and all the speaker call and Loudspeaker .etc
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Oh yes..... I went to a resort with my kids and they took around 300 pics in the swimming pool the whole day and my phone is still perfectly fine...
No.
Proof: You don't have any warranty claims, if things go wrong.
Seals on waterproof devices usually need to be checked once a year, as they degrade. And you should treat the phone according to the IP67 specs, which surely is not much fun. Something like water depth max. 1m/3ft, and no water current and no quick moves, this is especially important, while holding the phone.
So, not safe, but possible, with a chance for a total loss.
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generally it is more water resistant than waterproof....my headphone jack malfunctions after going in water for a while because it thinks there's a headphone inserted when there isn't. Also my speakerphone doesn't work for a good couple of hours. So yeah, I wouldn't advise using it under water for long or at all, but if it does fall in a puddle or toilet with the cover closed it should be ok.
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lecorbusier said:
No.
Proof: You don't have any warranty claims, if things go wrong.
Seals on waterproof devices usually need to be checked once a year, as they degrade. And you should treat the phone according to the IP67 specs, which surely is not much fun. Something like water depth max. 1m/3ft, and no water current and no quick moves, this is especially important, while holding the phone.
So, not safe, but possible, with a chance for a total loss.
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I Want to use it When I go to shower
it is ok ?
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I Want to use it When I go to shower
it is ok ?
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Your phone, your funeral
Personally I keep that waterproof/resistance for the day I accidentally drop it in water, not for purposely doing it
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Your phone, your funeral
Personally I keep that waterproof/resistance for the day I accidentally drop it in water, not for purposely doing it
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Only time I've used it was to rinse my phone off after i spilled food on it.
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I jumped in the lake with it in my hand, and then stayed in and swam around with it for about 15mins. Recorded a few videos during. Was pretty cool to watch video of jumping and then see the water swooshing around the phone and then the view underwater and under a dock.. Almost a Little eerie
Suffice to say, everything's fine with it (4weeks later)
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Hey guys,
So out if curiosity, who's went showering with their Galaxy S7/Edge? It's water resistant, but I'm wondering whether it can withstand moisture. Thanks in advance!
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It is water resisted. 30 min up to 1,5 meters but I wouldn't risk it because it's not stream resisted.
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I had been swimming in the pool with mine. It can record videos while submerged Underwater but the sound quality is not that good.
I've been swimming in nuclear waste with my s7 and it seems to emit this green glow, sound is a bit staticky like from a geiger counter but still works fine though!
I don't know why people are so scared, even if you get water into a normal phone you can usually fix it by letting it dry completely.
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I've been showering with my s7 for about a week. But I've come to realize that it's not really worth it cuz when water gets in and around the speakers the sound quality drops dramatically, almost inaudible really.
Seriously? You all can't go without your phone for 5 minutes? =)
I suppose if you must take a shower with your phone, they sell special zip seal bags for them. You can still use the touchscreen through them and they don't muffle all of the noise.
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I don't know why people are so scared, even if you get water into a normal phone you can usually fix it by letting it dry completely.
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Not true for me. I ruined my Note 4 home button by dropping the bottom of the phone in water for a brief second. Samsung wanted $150 to repair.
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Well considering how unlikely it is to get water into a water resistant phone with a shower head, $150 is not that great of a risk.
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took mine to the beach and all, seems to work fine.
i spray inox or non conducting lubricant into the 3.5mm jack and the charging port in the morning, then to the beach and stuff like normal, then spray lub again after a shower and clean at the end of the day. to get the sound back, i use a drinking straw to blow water out one side of the speaker you can see the water come out the other end of the grill, its not perfect but you can then use the loud speaker a bit and full sound comes back faster, same quick treatment for the top ear speaker.
sand was still in the 3.5mm jack after getting home from the trip but fully comes out if you use the tiny extender straw that comes with the inox spray can.
i did fully water test my s7 edge on the first week for an hour or so just in case it did break and needed warranty, so i dont waste time setting up apps and data.
After a fast charge i also cool the phone down under the cold tap, just cover the bottom ports and rinse the top half.
All the time. I read the morning news in the shower, check my commute time, and shoot quick replies to emails.
No reason to have the shower head directly spraying on it, though
Only pain in the butt is removing the case and drying it
Sitting in the bathroom while you shower should be fine. Holding it under the stream of water from the shower head is a bad idea. IP68 does not mean the device is certified or has been testing under flowing water or a forced stream of water. There are completely different IP ratings and tests for those conditions, and the S7 isn't certified to pass those tests.
What IP ratings mean
The fact that IP68 is "higher" than IP63 or IP64 doesn't mean it's "better," or that it meets those standards, too.
I never had any problems taking my water resistant rated devices (z2, tab z and now S7 edge) to the tub ( im bathing very hot, so a lot of steam exposure) Also they get exposed to the shower afterwards. Especially with the S7 edge I feel pretty confident doing so as there are no covering flaps that might get lose over time or halfway closed.
here are some off cuts of my beach recordings. 4k mostly.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/o7uqsjq7aewjw8r/fraserislanddip.mp4?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/no9v4tnpdti963x/frasersanddip.mp4?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ui1lu0erqyqlb5x/lakkens.mp4?dl=0
Even with lubricant I still wouldn't put mine in the sea. Nice video though. Happy 10 years on XDA Sonhy!
I've taken mine in the bath (didn't get it wet) as Candy Crush doesn't play itself.
@Lembo happy 10 years to you to my friend
was able to get heap of great 4k memories underwater and on the beach.
hopefully the lub will protect from rust on the charge pins, its my only worry, and maybe the sand wearing out the gap around the home button, takes ages to get the sand out of the gap.
ive got a $5 airtight hard case ordered, but it will be only for diving
a cheap ziplock bag survives swimming and snorkeling, so my logic is the s7 edge's glued frame should be better protected... its just so logically, but hey, as long as ur happy with your usage, thats all that matters
Cannot say i have Showered with the phone.
But alot of people say about steam and condensation.
I shower twice a day (More detail than i would care to go into)
I used my Note 3 for 2 and a half years.
I took my Note 3 into the bathroom where i shower every day.
Thats a MIN of 800 Times the phone was exposed for a form of Steam, Some days heavier than others.
(The phone was situated about 1 meters from the shower head)
I steam up the bathroom a considerable about.
my Note 3 works perfect and has not had any defect in water damage.
I may be lucky! but i don't think the steam will cause as much damage as you may consider.
Unless you go and sit in a Sauna for a few hours maybe.
So my pattern has not changed with my new Edge.
Just this time am not too worried about handling it with wet hands
I dont play stupid and hold it in Water, as i have more than 2 phones, Business, Personal and Work (Work)
So if one where to get used to using the device in water.
and has a empty air head day and walks into the shower with there iphone 6, LOL!!!
If you dont break a habit, you will continue to do it sub-concisely
If you break the habit, you have to think twice about it!
God help the people who go from a water resistant phone to a none water resistant lol!
brawlysnake66 said:
Hey guys,
So out if curiosity, who's went showering with their Galaxy S7/Edge? It's water resistant, but I'm wondering whether it can withstand moisture. Thanks in advance!
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Go ahead. I was scared at first. It goes against everything we know and have learned about phones, I know but it's fine. The sound gets distorted if the speaker gets wet so just stick it in the corner before you turn the water on and jam out!
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