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[Q] How Backup Before Rooting?

hi there guys
i have just bought a new s4 and currently im a noob in android and would be very thankfull if you can answer two questions regarding backup and restore:
1.is it possible to backup my stock rom wich i recieved with my s4 in cmw before rooting the device?
2. does restoring a rom wich you backed up after rooting will gain you automaticly root access when in restoring it? (superuser and the premissions will be installed and activated automaticly?)
thanks in advance !

stompyz said:
hi there guys
i have just bought a new s4 and currently im a noob in android and would be very thankfull if you can answer two questions regarding backup and restore:
1.is it possible to backup my stock rom wich i recieved with my s4 in cmw before rooting the device?
2. does restoring a rom wich you backed up after rooting will gain you automaticly root access when in restoring it? (superuser and the premissions will be installed and activated automaticly?)
thanks in advance !
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Hi,
1 .Yes ,you can backup your entire system with the recovery backup.
2. If you back up a rooted system,it will restore as a rooted system.

malybru said:
Hi,
1 .Yes ,you can backup your entire system with the recovery backup.
2. If you back up a rooted system,it will restore as a rooted system.
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thanks alot for your help! i was just reading that after installing CWM on the galaxy i wownt be able to recieve OTA updates even before rooting?
my whole plan was to backup my current rom (stock rom that i recieved my phone with) and then root it. wanted this for the abilitiy to restore in the future back to my stock rom without rooting in order to obtain ota software updates.
how can this be done?
thanks alot in advance!

stompyz said:
thanks alot for your help! i was just reading that after installing CWM on the galaxy i wownt be able to recieve OTA updates even before rooting?
my whole plan was to backup my current rom (stock rom that i recieved my phone with) and then root it. wanted this for the abilitiy to restore in the future back to my stock rom without rooting in order to obtain ota software updates.
how can this be done?
thanks alot in advance!
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Hi,
Look HERE
Your best plan would be to install a recovery,backup your system,and then return it to an "Official" rooted system with the link I gave you.
On the thread there is a link for a stock recovery to return you to stock and be able to receive updates.
The thread I gave you ,the [OP] is constantly updating his ROMS,so you will not lose out on updates anyway.

malybru said:
Hi,
Look HERE
Your best plan would be to install a recovery,backup your system,and then return it to an "Official" rooted system with the link I gave you.
On the thread there is a link for a stock recovery to return you to stock and be able to receive updates.
The thread I gave you ,the [OP] is constantly updating his ROMS,so you will not lose out on updates anyway.
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thanks for that tutorial but im on i9500 so i guess its not for me.
i have on other hand found and downloaded the exact stock rom of my s4 to my pc from a local android website
so if something goes wrong and i need warrenty will flashing the stock rom wich i have download via odin after rooting via cwm will remove them completly? (will remove the cwm and root after flashing via odin?)

stompyz said:
thanks for that tutorial but im on i9500 so i guess its not for me.
i have on other hand found and downloaded the exact stock rom of my s4 to my pc from a local android website
so if something goes wrong and i need warrenty will flashing the stock rom wich i have download via odin after rooting via cwm will remove them completly? (will remove the cwm and root after flashing via odin?)
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Hi,
It depends whether the stock ROM contains stock recovery.
I doubt it.
You will probably have to find a stock recovery somewhere.
Sent telepathically from my S4

stompyz said:
thanks for that tutorial but im on i9500 so i guess its not for me.
i have on other hand found and downloaded the exact stock rom of my s4 to my pc from a local android website
so if something goes wrong and i need warrenty will flashing the stock rom wich i have download via odin after rooting via cwm will remove them completly? (will remove the cwm and root after flashing via odin?)
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Yes. Official Stock rom contains stock recovery.
But before unrooting see this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2292615 to be on full warranty
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

samersh72 said:
Yes. Official Stock rom contains stock recovery.
But before unrooting see this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2292615 to be on full warranty
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
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thanks for the help guys, regarding root i have read about cf-auto-root but once it has the stock recovery i wouldnt be able to flash any custom roms in the furute so i have thought to root with cofface cwm : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2262110
his cwm looks very popular and has ability for root/unroot feature. the unroot in cwm by cofface wownt do the work for me if needed?

t-mobile
galaxy s4
sgh-m919
android 4.3
baseband m919uvuemk2
kernel version 3.4.0-2015522
have spent the last day boning up on rooting my t-mobile s4 4.3 and still feel that i have too many questions, and i consider myself pretty tech savvy, at least in terms of pcs! anyway i'm someone could help me with the following questions:
1. can i take a snapshot of my current (stock) setup before i root, which i would be able to reload in the event i find rooting is not for me? i'm talking about a backup, image or snapshot of everything that's now on my phone which i can restore if needed, returning my phone to it's exact state before i rooted?
2. when i root my phone will it delete such things as my contacts, photos, apps, etc? or will that only happen when a custom rom is installed after rooting? if the latter, i'm guessing i could do a full phone backup after rooting using something like titanium, and the flash a custom rom which would give me a clean os, free of all samsung's and t-mobile's bloatware? and if i decided a rooted phone wasn't for me, i could restore the backup of my original phone using titanium?
3. when i root my phone and install a clean, bloat-free os, what sort of thing will no longer be possible in terms of my provider's (tmobile) services? for example i guess i would no longer get automatic ota's? how about tmobile notifications or the like? will tmobile be able to access my rooted phone as they are able to do now? and if not are there any disadvantages to this? i'm guessing there are more advantages to this.
4. so once my phoned is rooted and a new rom flashed, is it a relatively easy process to reload all of my contacts, photos and settings?
5. and, finally, someone recommended that i use the rotting steps outlined at galaxys4root.com, do you agree?
thanks very much in advance, what a tremendous community!

aeneas1 said:
t-mobile
galaxy s4
sgh-m919
android 4.3
baseband m919uvuemk2
kernel version 3.4.0-2015522
have spent the last day boning up on rooting my t-mobile s4 4.3 and still feel that i have too many questions, and i consider myself pretty tech savvy, at least in terms of pcs! anyway i'm someone could help me with the following questions:
1. can i take a snapshot of my current (stock) setup before i root, which i would be able to reload in the event i find rooting is not for me? i'm talking about a backup, image or snapshot of everything that's now on my phone which i can restore if needed, returning my phone to it's exact state before i rooted?
2. when i root my phone will it delete such things as my contacts, photos, apps, etc? or will that only happen when a custom rom is installed after rooting? if the latter, i'm guessing i could do a full phone backup after rooting using something like titanium, and the flash a custom rom which would give me a clean os, free of all samsung's and t-mobile's bloatware? and if i decided a rooted phone wasn't for me, i could restore the backup of my original phone using titanium?
3. when i root my phone and install a clean, bloat-free os, what sort of thing will no longer be possible in terms of my provider's (tmobile) services? for example i guess i would no longer get automatic ota's? how about tmobile notifications or the like? will tmobile be able to access my rooted phone as they are able to do now? and if not are there any disadvantages to this? i'm guessing there are more advantages to this.
4. so once my phoned is rooted and a new rom flashed, is it a relatively easy process to reload all of my contacts, photos and settings?
5. and, finally, someone recommended that i use the rotting steps outlined at galaxys4root.com, do you agree?
thanks very much in advance, what a tremendous community!
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Hi,
Try posting in your own dedicated forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2279

malybru said:
Hi,
Try posting in your own dedicated forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2279
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odd, thought that's where i posted....
anyway
> i went ahead and rooted using the "[SGH-M919] CF-Auto-Root" method provided by chainfire and it worked without a hitch, was a very quick and simple process.
> confirmed with root checker, all is good.
> also, fwiw, knox was tripped and now reads 0x1, but my warranty expires in a couple of months or so, so no big deal to me (was never too concerned about the warranty anyway).
> device status now shows custom
> downloaded titanium and backed up apps and system data - was hoping for an option that allowed me to take an image of my phone that could be restored if needed. perhaps i can do that with cwm when i back up the rom?
> now i'm going to try and flash some custom roms, should be fun.

[Q] Is Supersu The Best Way To Unroot When Flashing Firmware Isn't Possible?

I need to be able to unroot my phone so that I can take it in for repair.
Apparently my phone (SGH-I337 - AT&T) cannot have firmware flashed to it in order to unroot it (apparently because I allowed an update to be installed a while back when I shoudn't have).
There's a lot of people recommending SuperSU for unrooting but the recommended procedures vary (primarily when it comes to which files you should manually delete and when exactly you should delete them) and there's also no mention of whether or not all traces of rooting are removed.
I'm really worried that I'll bring the phone in and they'll find something which indicates that the phone was rooted.
Note: I don't have any custom recovery or firmware installed. The phone has only been rooted using towelroot. Nothing else.

StrabbaClone said:
I need to be able to unroot my phone so that I can take it in for repair.
Apparently my phone (SGH-I337 - AT&T) cannot have firmware flashed to it in order to unroot it (apparently because I allowed an update to be installed a while back when I shoudn't have).
There's a lot of people recommending SuperSU for unrooting but the recommended procedures vary (primarily when it comes to which files you should manually delete and when exactly you should delete them) and there's also no mention of whether or not all traces of rooting are removed.
I'm really worried that I'll bring the phone in and they'll find something which indicates that the phone was rooted.
Note: I don't have any custom recovery or firmware installed. The phone has only been rooted using towelroot. Nothing else.
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Here is a guide I made for getting back to complete 100% unrooted stock. It's for the GS3, but should work on the GS4 as well. http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s3-att/general/how-to-restore-device-status-to-t2832880

StrabbaClone said:
I need to be able to unroot my phone so that I can take it in for repair.
Apparently my phone (SGH-I337 - AT&T) cannot have firmware flashed to it in order to unroot it (apparently because I allowed an update to be installed a while back when I shoudn't have).
There's a lot of people recommending SuperSU for unrooting but the recommended procedures vary (primarily when it comes to which files you should manually delete and when exactly you should delete them) and there's also no mention of whether or not all traces of rooting are removed.
I'm really worried that I'll bring the phone in and they'll find something which indicates that the phone was rooted.
Note: I don't have any custom recovery or firmware installed. The phone has only been rooted using towelroot. Nothing else.
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What firmware version are you on? There is an Odin flashable firmware that'll work on it. The one to uses depends on what your on now.
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jd1639 said:
What firmware version are you on? There is an Odin flashable firmware that'll work on it. The one to uses depends on what your on now.
Sent from my Nexus 9 using XDA Free mobile app
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Firmware: 4.4.2
Build/baseband number: I337UCUFNI1

StrabbaClone said:
Firmware: 4.4.2
Build/baseband number: I337UCUFNI1
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Flash the nb1 tar file, it's in the general forum. Then leave it there or you can ota it back to nl1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=56453100
Sent from my Nexus 5 using XDA Free mobile app

jd1639 said:
Flash the nb1 tar file, it's in the general forum. Then leave it there or you can ota it back to nl1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=56453100
Sent from my Nexus 5 using XDA Free mobile app
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Wow, thank you very much for that info.! I really appreciate it.
Every set of instructions I had come across told me to flash either the I337ATTAMDL firmware or the I337UCUAMDB firmware, and attempting to flash either of those resulted in a FAIL in Odin.
Before I proceed, can you confirm that flashing this NB1 firmware will not trip KNOX or affect a flash counter (requiring a reset with TriangleAway)?
Also, real quick while I have your attention, do you happen to know of any custom firmware/ROM (eg, a version of CyanogenMod or something similar) that I can flash to my phone? Or am I completely out of luck in that department?

StrabbaClone said:
Wow, thank you very much for that info.! I really appreciate it.
Every set of instructions I had come across told me to flash either the I337ATTAMDL firmware or the I337UCUAMDB firmware, and attempting to flash either of those resulted in a FAIL in Odin.
Before I proceed, can you confirm that flashing this NB1 firmware will not trip KNOX or affect a flash counter (requiring a reset with TriangleAway)?
Also, real quick while I have your attention, do you happen to know of any custom firmware/ROM (eg, a version of CyanogenMod or something similar) that I can flash to my phone? Or am I completely out of luck in that department?
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Flashing nb1 will not trip Knox. You're out of luck with cm. With the locked bootloader you can only flash touch wiz based roms using safestrap
Sent from my Nexus 9 using XDA Free mobile app

Flashing the NB1 file worked perfectly.
Thanks again! I really appreciate it.

[Q] Updating from 4.3 to Kitkat without Root.

I have a Samsung Galaxy S4 ATT Base: 1337UCUEMK2. My phone is rooted but I am looking to update to KitKat with or without root. I am not against loosing root to get the update. I have searched for a couple of days now and have not found any concrete answer to what the process would be for me to unroot and update. As of now I have the apps that are recommended to be frozen through TB to stop OTAs. Is it as simple unfreezing those apps, unrooting and getting the OTA, or do I have to prescribe to a more intricate process. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks

I would Odin the nb1 tar file then ota to nj4. See this on how to root it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=56453100
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jd1639 said:
I would Odin the nb1 tar file then ota to nj4. See this on how to root it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=56453100
Sent from my Nexus 9 using XDA Free mobile app
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Thanks for the reply. I've read that post in the past but for my own understanding, what I would need to do would be to use the Odin tool to install NB1 version, which is not rooted, then upgrade to the latest version of Android like you would normally upgrade via the software updates? I just want to make sure I am understanding correctly what the course of action would be if I were to partake. Thanks again.

Saritone said:
Thanks for the reply. I've read that post in the past but for my own understanding, what I would need to do would be to use the Odin tool to install NB1 version, which is not rooted, then upgrade to the latest version of Android like you would normally upgrade via the software updates? I just want to make sure I am understanding correctly what the course of action would be if I were to partake. Thanks again.
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You've got it down. Odin will wipe your device so make sure any pic, music,etc you want to keep are backed up off the device or on your external sdcard. Also, it's a good idea to use titanium backup for your apps and their data
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[Q] Galaxy s4 in a weird Not-Rooted/Rooted state

I recently rooted my Galaxy S4 using the Towel Root method. but a week ago or so while driving ATT forced an update and updated to the new version. The problem is I do not have Root active, but I can't use certain apps due to getting a message saying that they can't be used on a Rooted device. I am not sure how to remove this odd state I am in. Has anyone had this issue and know how to remove it?
Device: Samsung Galaxy S4
Carrier: AT&T
Model: SAMSUNG-SGH-I337
Android Version 4.4.2
Build Number: KOT49.I337UCUFNI1

darxval said:
I recently rooted my Galaxy S4 using the Towel Root method. but a week ago or so while driving ATT forced an update and updated to the new version. The problem is I do not have Root active, but I can't use certain apps due to getting a message saying that they can't be used on a Rooted device. I am not sure how to remove this odd state I am in. Has anyone had this issue and know how to remove it?
Device: Samsung Galaxy S4
Carrier: AT&T
Model: SAMSUNG-SGH-I337
Android Version 4.4.2
Build Number: KOT49.I337UCUFNI1
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What is it that you really want - to regain root or to unroot?
1. To regain root - read the root section of All Things AT&T thread
2. To unroot
a. Without losing data -- I am not sure exactly how to do this
One way would be to re-root and then unroot using the superSu app.
b. With losing data -- Oding NB1 stock and update to latest. Follow Return to Stock

I would like to have it go back to unrooted status. I was hoping for a data safe method. But at this point whichever will work. I am assuming i'll have to root, then unroot. But I didnt know if this causes problem as apps believe it to be rooted but the system says I am not.

I'm having the same dilemma
I rooted my s4 using towelroot. Later att forced an update to 4.4.2 which i thought wouldn't work because it was tooted. But it actually did work and updated. Now the phone is not rooted but it seems that there are some files that are still somewhere that pretty much makes it be partially rooted but with not real root access. Now that the next update is being forced by att for version 4.4.4 it doesn't work. It stores installing at 27% with a failed message. I uninstalled towel root and super user but with no success. I whiped the partition and no success. I did a factory reset which i thought it would work and remove the files that maked look rooted and no success. What should i do exactly to unroot it?

JaureguiRoberto said:
I rooted my s4 using towelroot. Later att forced an update to 4.4.2 which i thought wouldn't work because it was tooted. But it actually did work and updated. Now the phone is not rooted but it seems that there are some files that are still somewhere that pretty much makes it be partially rooted but with not real root access. Now that the next update is being forced by att for version 4.4.4 it doesn't work. It stores installing at 27% with a failed message. I uninstalled towel root and super user but with no success. I whiped the partition and no success. I did a factory reset which i thought it would work and remove the files that maked look rooted and no success. What should i do exactly to unroot it?
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You could use Odin since nothing else is working
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jd1639 said:
You could use Odin since nothing else is working
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What version of odin? Is there a link with special instructions for this situation? Will i be using odin to install 4.4.2 again? Or 4.4.4? Is there a direct link for at&t 4.4.4 so i can install using odin?
Thanks

JaureguiRoberto said:
What version of odin? Is there a link with special instructions for this situation? Will i be using odin to install 4.4.2 again? Or 4.4.4? Is there a direct link for at&t 4.4.4 so i can install using odin?
Thanks
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You would have to Odin the nb1 tar file, it's the only version that exists. Then ota to 4.4.4, nj4. Any version of Odin works. It will wipe your device and you'll have to start over setting it up.
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jd1639 said:
You could use Odin since nothing else is working
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jd1639 said:
You would have to Odin the nb1 tar file, it's the only version that exists. Then ota to 4.4.4, nj4. Any version of Odin works. It will wipe your device and you'll have to start over setting it up.
Sent from my Nexus 9 using XDA Free mobile app
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Thank you i will start looking for the files.

JaureguiRoberto said:
Thank you i will start looking for the files.
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Start here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=56453100
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[Q] Rooted S5 - How to prepare to sell it? (unroot to stock?)

I don't know much about rooting, but I was able to root my Verizon S5 and customize it extensively.
I'm not actually selling it. My mom is eligible for upgrade, so I'm going to use her upgrade to get a S6 and give her my S5. I think I'd like to get the S5 back to stock so my mom doesn't have to worry about not updating, etc.
I tried searching, but surprisingly couldn't find a sold thread about returning the S5 to stock ROM. Seems like it should be a sticky. Maybe it is and I missed it?
Anyway, I have a "Stock" package under Restore in Safestrap. Not sure if that could be used. Can someone point me toward the un-rooting process? I don't know what I need to do, and whether I need to worry about knox, etc.

ergalthema said:
I don't know much about rooting, but I was able to root my Verizon S5 and customize it extensively.
I'm not actually selling it. My mom is eligible for upgrade, so I'm going to use her upgrade to get a S6 and give her my S5. I think I'd like to get the S5 back to stock so my mom doesn't have to worry about not updating, etc.
I tried searching, but surprisingly couldn't find a sold thread about returning the S5 to stock ROM. Seems like it should be a sticky. Maybe it is and I missed it?
Anyway, I have a "Stock" package under Restore in Safestrap. Not sure if that could be used. Can someone point me toward the un-rooting process? I don't know what I need to do, and whether I need to worry about knox, etc.
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Flash a retail stock tar file of your choice depending what firmware you want. Start taking the updates to make sure that is working.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...ment/stock-collection-kernels-modems-t2842069

Tulsadiver said:
Flash a retail stock tar file of your choice depending what firmware you want. Start taking the updates to make sure that is working.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...ment/stock-collection-kernels-modems-t2842069
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I'm sorry, but I don't understand what to do. There are many options on that thread. Is there a step-by-step instructions anywhere?

ergalthema said:
I'm sorry, but I don't understand what to do. There are many options on that thread. Is there a step-by-step instructions anywhere?
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Have you ever used Odin?

Tulsadiver said:
Have you ever used Odin?
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No. I'm on a Mac, and it couldn't find a version for Mac.

ergalthema said:
No. I'm on a Mac, and it couldn't find a version for Mac.
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What firmware are you on? Check your build under settings, about phone.

Tulsadiver said:
What firmware are you on? Check your build under settings, about phone.
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Device name: SAMSUNG-SM-G900V
Model number: SM-G900V
Android version: 4.4.2
Baseband version: G900VVRU1ANCG
Kernel version: 3.4.0, [email protected]#1
Hardware version: G900V.05
Security software version: MDF v1.0Release2, VPN v1.4 Release 1
Towelroot

ergalthema said:
Device name: SAMSUNG-SM-G900V
Model number: SM-G900V
Android version: 4.4.2
Baseband version: G900VVRU1ANCG
Kernel version: 3.4.0, [email protected]#1
Hardware version: G900V.05
Security software version: MDF v1.0Release2, VPN v1.4 Release 1
Towelroot
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If you have frozen SDM in order to not get any more update requests, go unfreeze it. OpenGo into safestrap recovery and restore your stock copy. Open safestrap. Uninstall recovery. Go into settings, applications and uninstall safestrap. Now you should be able to open SuperSU , go into settings, go down to where it says to fully unroot your phone and unroot it. Or you could go down to software update and take an update. You will lose root then.

Tulsadiver said:
If you have frozen SDM in order to not get any more update requests, go unfreeze it. OpenGo into safestrap recovery and restore your stock copy. Open safestrap. Uninstall recovery. Go into settings, applications and uninstall safestrap. Now you should be able to open SuperSU , go into settings, go down to where it says to fully unroot your phone and unroot it. Or you could go down to software update and take an update. You will lose root then.
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This sounds promising. Thanks!

Tulsadiver said:
If you have frozen SDM in order to not get any more update requests, go unfreeze it. OpenGo into safestrap recovery and restore your stock copy. Open safestrap. Uninstall recovery. Go into settings, applications and uninstall safestrap. Now you should be able to open SuperSU , go into settings, go down to where it says to fully unroot your phone and unroot it. Or you could go down to software update and take an update. You will lose root then.
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SDM is not frozen by Titanium Backup, but I have not been getting update requests. Is there somewhere else it would be frozen?
Do I need to worry about "KLMS Agent 2.2.101" or "Knox Notification Manager 2.0" or "Support & Protection 3.0.1"? Those are frozen by TB.
Also, how risky is this method of unrooting?

ergalthema said:
SDM is not frozen by Titanium Backup, but I have not been getting update requests. Is there somewhere else it would be frozen?
Do I need to worry about "KLMS Agent 2.2.101" or "Knox Notification Manager 2.0" or "Support & Protection 3.0.1"? Those are frozen by TB.
Also, how risky is this method of unrooting?
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You want stock so unfreeze everything. I believe you run the risk of losing root but that is the point, right? Everything you do with a rooted phone has risks but all you are doing is removing root.

Tulsadiver said:
You want stock so unfreeze everything. I believe you run the risk of losing root but that is the point, right? Everything you do with a rooted phone has risks but all you are doing is removing root.
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Yes, I wanted to unroot and return to stock. That totally worked!!! Many thanks!!!