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First Drop Test

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Wow, it held up much better than I expected - is GG2 to thank for it?
On a side note, wonder how a face first drop test would go; I'm thinking the screen would shatter from 4 feet or above.

I think because it is bigger, it has more resistance as galaxy s3 (it also has GG2)

DakiX said:
I think because it is bigger, it has more resistance as galaxy s3 (it also has GG2)
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Basic rules of physics though would justify the assumption that it would undergo more force (F=ma) on contact. Maybe they changed something on the construction because it seems it doesn't twist as easily as the GS3 either.

Oh thats nice.

thats freakin wonderful its take it way better than s3 O_O
s3 from first drop get ****ed up

Deffo seems tougher! :good:
There's also a scratch test which looks good too. A guy Key's the screen well to reveal no scratches. They learnt from the flimsy s3.
They need to learn from this flimsy launch now

3 hard drops, and the GNote2 took them all. Painful to watch the video, but good to know it can take a such drops well :good:

I find GizmoSlip's videos much better. I mean this one seems more natural, but you never know how the phone will fall. I doubt it survives a fall from chest height on the screen for example. It will surely not crack if it falls on it's back either..

freemini said:
I find GizmoSlip's videos much better. I mean this one seems more natural, but you never know how the phone will fall. I doubt it survives a fall from chest height on the screen for example. It will surely not crack if it falls on it's back either..
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This is why all of these drop test videos are stupid. They're unscientific and anyone who's taken even grade school science should know better than to pay them any attention. Without stabilizing the height or the angle of impact this "test" is silly. A REAL drop test would be securing the phone and hitting it with a piston at different angles, or better yet squeezing it with a known force until significant damage is done then approximating the height of said squeeze. Multiple drops within the same test are also questionable seeing as the phone could be getting weakened after each drop therefore making it easier for the following drops to do damage.

Thoughts and observations after one week with Glass

Thoughts and observations after one week with Glass:
* Battery life: Glass has always lasted the whole day for me! This came as a surprise, as I had heard a lot of doom and gloom about short battery life. I'm not sure if others are taking constant videos or listening to music or what, but after wearing it all day I usually have 20-30% battery left. I have a bunch of Glassware installed, official and not. I do have head detection and head tilt wake-up turned off. (I discovered that, even with it off, upon hearing the notification chime I have a small number of seconds in which I can tilt my head and the display with turn itself on, which is really all that I need rather than having it always on and sensing.)
* Usefulness: Way more useful than I expected. Navigation is great. Receiving and being able to glance at notifications (emails, texts, tweets, who is calling, etc.) without using my hands. Reminders of upcoming events and travel times right in front of me without having to pull out my phone. Weather change updates! I have carefully managed my feed, so to speak, by enabling "device updates" for only those Twitter users that I want to see on Glass, by training Gmail to differentiate between Important and Not Important emails, and by eschewing Glassware with a low signal-to-noise ratio.
* Awesomeness: Way more awesome than I expected. It is incredibly light weight. It fills the little gaps in my day -- standing in lines, waiting at lights, walking to my car, etc. -- much better than my phone due to not having to pull it out of my pocket and not having to glance away from what I'm doing.
* Glass with glasses: I wear glasses. On day one, I couldn't get Glass to sit correctly over them. Big disappointment. On day two, I slid them right on and everything was great. I have no idea what I was doing wrong on day one. On day three, I removed Glass from the frame and attached them to my glasses. On day four, I decided that the position on my glasses was sub-optimal and re-attached them to the frame, then bend the nosepads so that they rested on the bottom edge of each lens. On day five I decided that this looked kind of ridiculous, so I bend the nose pieces to look more normal and have them rest on my nose in front of my glasses. I've been using it that way with great success since.
* In public: I wear them all day every day but no one has ever asked about them other than a Kmart cashier who confided in my wife his worry that I was a crazy person about to shoot up the place. (I was playing Spellista.)
In short, to reappropriate Justin Timberlake's pitch to McDonalds: I'm lovin' it.

Pretty much same experience except I use ifttt to tell me when I've been tagged in fb photos and for my arstechnica news feeds too I leave head detection off because about 50 ppl a day ask to try them on for the past 3 weeks (in all fairness I sit on my laptop at a coffee shop of the day) and I live tilt on
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I bet your smartwatch can't do this (Pushing the boundaries of water resistance)

Modified Omate Roma prototype tested at 1ATM/10m/33ft in a pressure chamber. The modification is done using off the shelf stuff I had in my tool kit and does not effect functionality or the ability to remove the caseback. The only thing that was modified is the case seals, the case itself is 100% original.
I would have liked to have shown the watch running while the test was performed but could not. The reason is that the dock I have is not for the Roma which makes it near impossible to charge it.
I have also tested a Galaxy Gear, Sony SW2, LG G Watch, SmartQ Z and couple others. Except for the Pebble, not a single one will pass even a 0.5ATM/5m/16ft test. Much less a 1ATM test.
Conclusion
Depending on the failure point of the crystal (untested), the Roma could easily be manufactured to withstand 3ATM/30m/99ft and beyond. If manufactured with the needed minor changes to reach even 2ATM, this would make it the only color touchscreen smartwatch in the world with such a rating. Or to put it another way, it could be manufactured to be the first color touchscreen smartwatch in the world that you can go swimming and snorkeling with. But if watch designers were designing all the smartwatch cases, this would not be the situation.
A thank you to Laurent Le Pen of Omate for providing the Roma prototype.
This is in no way an endorsement of Omate, or the Roma. It was just only the only smartwatch in my collection that didn't use a completely garbage case design. This is to show that smartwatches can be much better than what we are getting, and in most cases, they are full of unrealized potential.

Part two of my ongoing modified Roma work. This time it's what most (smart)watch makers and wearers will tell you never ever do.
Modified Omate Roma submerged button test
The PCB and battery were removed, and the case packed with cotton. The cotton has two purposes. One is to show any intrusion of water. The other is to adsorb the water to reduce the risk of damage.
I didn't have a 5 gallon bucket or larger so the test was done in only a couple inches of water. I have no way to record the test during swimming at a reasonable depth so that option was out. That, and I can't talk underwater.
Now a very few smartwatches may pass this type of test, but I strongly suggest you don't try it.
At this point I'm nervous to do higher pressure testing (3-5ATM / 99-165ft). I don't know what the fracture point is of the crystal and I'd like not to kill it.

Part Three: But these go to eleven.
2ATM (20m/66ft) Naturalist Model Submersion Test
*So after having a tank fail, multiple camera issues I gave up and just made a timelapse of the last 8hrs of a 10hr test. This will be a temp vid until I can figure out what the issue is with the camera.
Multiple hour submersion test. Changes from previous tests;
Different gasket material
2ATM (20m/66ft) (up from 1ATM in previous test)
Placed smartwatch in water then pressurized the chamber
The third item is key. This is a direct simulation of real world exposure. Either way, the modifications I have made have already put the watch well beyond any touchscreen smartwatch and into the shallow end (pun intended) of traditional watch water resistance territory.
Results:
I had opened the smartwatch every time I had to stop the test and did not properly seal it. From a traditional watch standpoint this is a big no-no. However, after multiple 3-4hrs immersions at pressure, the inside was bone dry. As you can see in the time lapse, the pump was attached the whole time for the longer test. I did not remove the pump fast enough at the end causing a rapid decompression. This may have resulted in water intrusion at the very end as the cotton pad inside the watch showed signs of water intrusion.
Conclusion:
Inconclusive for time periods beyond 3-4hrs of immersion and needs to be rerun. Still, no water intrusion at the 3-4hr mark on multiple occasions, not many smartwatches can say that.

Looks like part four will be redoing part three after getting the recording issues resolved. Still 3-4hrs at 2ATM (20m/66ft) with no water ingress is nothing to laugh at.

I have not been able to resolve the long video issues, so no video yet again.
So it did not pass at 2.5 ATM. I dropped the pressure to 1.25ATM (ISO requirement for certification at 1ATM), and let it stay continuously immersed at pressure for 20hrs.
BONE DRY
What's the next step? Do another timelapse at pressure while the smartwatch is on. I've been feeling pretty rough for the past couple days. With taking care of a little one, getting stuff ready for my move, and the testing, I'm beat and will probably not do another extended test. It will most likely be a short couple hour test. Even with such a short test, it sets the bar pretty high.

Part Four : I told you so but you didn't listen
Powered Immersion Test
While not a long duration test, this is four times longer than the 30min IP tests done on Motorola ,Samsung ,LG and almost all others, at a depth equivalent that is ten times greater. Or about seven times that of a Sony SW3.
Pressure : Slightly over 1ATM (10m/33ft)
Duration : 2hr 4m
Result : Still functioning
Original Functionality: Intact
So my questions to smartwatch manufacturers and users is this. If one guy, with all the wrong tools, no technical training in the field, and no budget, do this for pennies, why can't they? Why won't they? And why on Earth are you, the person that spent your hard earned money on your smartwatch, putting up with it?
Also. A public challenge goes out to Apple Watch owners to meet, or beat, 2hrs at 1ATM and still have a functional smartwatch. Make that any color touchscreen smartwatch owner except the Timex Ironman One GPS. It can do 50m but is hardly what one could consider a watch.
Again. This is not an endorsement of this smartwatch, or any smartwatch for that matter. This shows part of what I've been saying for almost two years about smartwatches and their design.

The next major project will have to wait til after the move (it's a money thing ,that being that I'm broke). That being a 200m dive rated color touchscreen smartwatch. I do have one more mod planned for this one but that's a private project for ODM/OEM partnerships should they happen.

Galaxy S7 Edge BBQ Test

Did a video on the S7 Edge to see how long it would last in extreme heat before it would fail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxZvodI5p-c

That's a bit much. I am not sure how toasting your phone on a live fire is a real world test? How is knowing the phone survives x minutes in a fire helpful to users?
Anyway, props to you and thanks for the video.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Wtf is wrong with people? Either we have an extreme apple fan and nobody caught it or some people in this world have way to much money. There are people out there with dumb, broken or no phone at all and this is a contribution to a developers forum! I'm going to stop now so I'm not spending too much life on it.

This is an incredibly stupid and pointless video.

Awesome video. You should do the EXTREME SHIPPING test. You basically put a (black) Galaxy s7 (flat, not the edge) in a shoebox without its box and you ship it a few thousand miles away. I'm willing to help you with the test.

Travis Bickle said:
Awesome video. You should do the EXTREME SHIPPING test. You basically put a (black) Galaxy s7 (flat, not the edge) in a shoebox without its box and you ship it a few thousand miles away. I'm willing to help you with the test.
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Lol I'll think about it. And yea guys, I've never been one to destroy phones, but considering the fact everyone lately is doing destruction videos, I decided why not try it once myself and see what would actually happen to the phone. My initial theory was that the battery would cause a lot of smoke and flames but that didn't happen. I also thought the phone would last (stay on and working) much longer than it did. Usually people tend to keep their phones in the car, and its happened to me before too during the hot summer heat near the desert, it can get extremely hot inside a parked car. I've come back to a phone that nearly burned my hand to the touch yet it worked, even though I know the heat from the bbq was stronger, I would expect the phone to have lasted at least a few minutes instead of just 40 seconds or so.

Crushing a Galaxy S7 Edge with a 400-ton hydraulic press
More wasteful fun. I sure hope these are practically useless demo models.
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Water resistant? Ip68? Not really.

Or maybe I had a not perfect unit?
I had my oneplus 8 pro since 3 days. Went to the pool and submerged it not more than 50cm for just a few mins. Gently and slowly.
Some fog appeard almost immediately over all the lenses. On the inside part.
Right after the screen started throwing flash lights and the phone was obviously not working fine anymore. After a few more mins the phone died completely.
I dried the phone carefully and waited about 12 hours and it started to work again just fine.
I sent it back to Amazon and replaced with a new one the day after.
But my question is: was just a very unlucky unit? Or?
As a side note, I have been using my other phones (huawei Pxx pro) under water, also at the sea, a LOT of times and also deep, to make nice underwater videos and never had a single problem.

My question is, if you're not a tech writer or something of the sort, why would you purposely submerge your phone in water?
Did you try to dry it out in the microwave? I hear that works.

Worrying, to say the least...
Just had mine under a light rain and it was fine, but after your experience, I wouldn't want to risk emerging it in water, except by accident.

I've seen several videos of people fully submerging the 8 pro in water with zero issues.
With that in mind, I still would never do that with mine on purpose.

"water" vs "chlorinated water" are two different things
Personally, I never saw the appeal of the IP ratings. It's just extra insurance but not a free pass to just dunk it any water or any liquid and expect it to just last.

Using the phone in the water is something I do regularly with my huawei. I recorded amazing underwater landscapes and fishes at the red sea. Never had a single problem.
I will receive my new oneplus 8 pro tomorrow and will try it again. If it will fail again I will just replace it again and try for the third time. If it will fail again for the third time then I will just send it back and choose another phone.
It would be a shame cause I love the oneplus 8 pro. But for me the use underwater is a must. And with an ip68 rating I would expect it to have no problems underwater.
Anyway thanks to Amazon i can test and re-test for free.
I am positive that the units I received was faulty. Will keep this thread updated with the testing of the next units.

rasik80 said:
Using the phone in the water is something I do regularly with my huawei. I recorded amazing underwater landscapes and fishes at the red sea. Never had a single problem.
I will receive my new oneplus 8 pro tomorrow and will try it again. If it will fail again I will just replace it again and try for the third time. If it will fail again for the third time then I will just send it back and choose another phone.
It would be a shame cause I love the oneplus 8 pro. But for me the use underwater is a must. And with an ip68 rating I would expect it to have no problems underwater.
Anyway thanks to Amazon i can test and re-test for free.
I am positive that the units I received was faulty. Will keep this thread updated with the testing of the next units.
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On the third replacement you will jump into Amazon blacklist. They will start asking you about many replacements.
They normally do this wirh expensive items. If you keep doing that you might be perma banned.
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Water resistance is not the same as water approved

Received the new oneplus 8 pro.
Tested immediately inside my pool. As a side note my pool do NOT have chlorinated water but water with bromium.
Results are interesting:
Submerged gently up to 1.5meters, been swimming with it in my swimsuit, left it on the bottom for more than 30 mins. Everything perfect. No fog on the lenses and no signs of water leaking inside at all.
Then I threw the phone in the pool from an height of about 60/100cm and... Here ya go! Water leaked inside. Fog over the lenses.
It's pretty weird cause I did the same with my p20 pro and p30 pro with zero problems.
I am going to send it back to Amazon again and get another one and test again for the last time.
Like I said, my phone must be able to swim and dive with me without problems. I still hope that my third unit will pass the test cause I consider the oneplus 8 pro the best phone at the moment.

lol

I´m never going to submerging my phone. It´s unnecessary and you never can be sure. I prefer to buy a gopro or similar.
For the same reason I don´t have a smartwatch, It´s not sure and I don´t wanna take off my watch, I go surfing almost everyday and no one smartwatch has 10 ATM resistance, only 5 ATM.

Lol, Get a submarine... ?

galaxys said:
Lol, Get a submarine... ?
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Under water Drone perhaps..........?

I've took mine winning with me for hours, no problems.
My S5 I took in the Pacific when I was in Rarotonga on my honeymoon literally all day, also went a lot deeper than 1m think about 2-3 at times.
The mic ended up blocked but it unlocked after a few days.
Potentially your unit, send it back.
Bare in mind that salt in the ocean can cause problems, kind of like the mic getting blocked on mine, probably others issues too.
To anyone thinking it's just incase you get a splash of water in it, that's wrong, the Sony Z series which I think was the first to get the IP rating, the display model in the shop was submerged all day long and was fully functional day after day I'd say this is a little more than the paltry time that is recommended, believe me an IP rating is earned not just labelled.
The OP should be able to do what he wants within reason.
Keep it to an hour, try not to go over 1m for extended periods of water, salt levels may also play a part.

dladz said:
I've took mine winning with me for hours, no problems.
My S5 I took in the Pacific when I was in Rarotonga on my honeymoon literally all day, also went a lot deeper than 1m think about 2-3 at times.
The mic ended up blocked but it unlocked after a few days.
Potentially your unit, send it back.
Bare in mind that salt in the ocean can cause problems, kind of like the mic getting blocked on mine, probably others issues too.
To anyone thinking it's just incase you get a splash of water in it, that's wrong, the Sony Z series which I think was the first to get the IP rating, the display model in the shop was submerged all day long and was fully functional day after day I'd say this is a little more than the paltry time that is recommended, believe me an IP rating is earned not just labelled.
The OP should be able to do what he wants within reason.
Keep it to an hour, try not to go over 1m for extended periods of water, salt levels may also play a part.
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First phone i used underwater was the S7. I did amazing underwater recordings and never had a single problem. I used to wash it with tap water every time after submerging it in the salty water of the sea.
Tomorrow I will receive my third oneplus 8 pro and test it again. Will keep everyone updated with the results. An. Ip68 rating is no joke and should easily withstand my pool.

rasik80 said:
First phone i used underwater was the S7. I did amazing underwater recordings and never had a single problem. I used to wash it with tap water every time after submerging it in the salty water of the sea.
Tomorrow I will receive my third oneplus 8 pro and test it again. Will keep everyone updated with the results. An. Ip68 rating is no joke and should easily withstand my pool.
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Well, IP68 or not, my IP68 smartwatch Huawei GT2 (supposedly 5ATM resistant) died just after one drop in the water. Had to get it exchanged and Huawei after-sales service tried all they could to not 'Honor' the product's obvious defect, even telling me I should better remove the watch when washing my hands... >.<
In other words, I think you might better stick with non-Chinese smartphone brands concerning water resistance, as they have quite a 'stretchable' conception of IP ratings.

Surfeur-des-Reves said:
Well, IP68 or not, my IP68 smartwatch Huawei GT2 (supposedly 5ATM resistant) died just after one drop in the water. Had to get it exchanged and Huawei after-sales service tried all they could to not 'Honor' the product's obvious defect, even telling me I should better remove the watch when washing my hands... >.<
In other words, I think you might better stick with non-Chinese smartphone brands concerning water resistance, as they have quite a 'stretchable' conception of IP ratings.
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That's the Huawei way. I asked for my data from them, GDPR states I can have it, this was last year

That's why I use Amazon ALL the times. I replaced expensive stuff countless times. No questions asked.

I think the answer is just not to submerge your phone in water. IP certified doesn't guarantee you for going swimming with it

Reuben_skelz92 said:
I think the answer is just not to submerge your phone in water. IP certified doesn't guarantee you for going swimming with it
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Yes but I have and you can.
S5
P20 Pro
1+8 Pro
Zero problems besides the S5 mic which went away.