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[Q] Why I am not enthusiastic about HTC One (M7)

I think there have been numerous discussions about how the lack of SD card storage and removable battery made it a deal-breaker for a small % of people not to buy HTC One. In all honesty, as much as I love HTC phones (the last three smartphones were all HTC) and want to support them, I haven't been as excited about getting the new HTC phone since I heard those 2 features won't be included.
Now..reading one of the post on the impact of not including SD card storage in this forum, I can understand some of the reasons why it is not that important. You now have a base 32gb internal storage, although a little less than that because of the OS installed. That is not bad. If you don't put much video files or your whole music collection, you probably won't fill it up. Still...nice to have extra storage available to store your files offline. Some say use Cloud Storage but that requires a wireless connection, drains your battery life faster and use up your data limit if you are not using WiFi. Nice to have all your files handy without depending on all of those conditions. What about USB OTG? Now this would the option that I would use extensively if a day comes that all smartphone no longer have memory card storage but let's face it, another wire to carry with you.
In terms of non-removable battery, this is probably a bigger peeve with me than the lack of sd card storage. By using a design with non-removable battery, HTC is limiting the life of the phone that I spend money to own. I understand that most people purchase a new phone every two years anyway. Heck, that is why I am looking at what new phones are available this year when my contract is up mid-year. But...I can still keep my EVO3D without worrying about the degrading battery efficiency/life. If I need to, I can buy a new battery and switch it out. In fact, after a year and a half of owning my EVO 3D I am noticing an appreciable decrease in the efficiency of my battery. Now some might say why even keep an old phone? For one, an older phone might have a useful feature that a newer phone doesn't have. I still have my HTC Touch Pro 2 because it is a world-phone. Whenever I travel out of country, I pulled it out and plug in the battery and now I have a cell phone while I am traveling. In case I damage my EVO3D before my contract is up, I also have a backup phone available. Beside that reason, a phone with a removable battery has a better resale value to someone who doesn't have to worry about a dead non-replaceable battery if they buy it. Finally to someone who drains their phone with heavy use, they can easily swap out for another charged battery.
I guess what it comes down to is "choice". Do I want a phone that limits my options but have pretty display, nice camera, great sound and fast performance (arguably HTC's newest phone won't corner the market on these features and that other flagship phones will come close to these specs). Does HTC know best when it comes to understanding the features that the user need and don't need? I thought I chose Android over Apple because I would have more control/option/choice? Isn't HTC behaving more like Apple?
I am sure I am over-dramatizing things but...I was disappointed with the direction that HTC is heading. I will probably get use to it if I have no choice but to pick this phone but I would have love it if I didn't have to be force into it.
I think HTC One is a great phone and it certainly looks good but I might not buy it. What do everyone else think? Are my misgivings valid or should I just get with the times and learn to accept that the future is no sd card storage and non-removable battery? I am honestly curious as to people's opinion on the matter and how some people have either adapted cheerfully or grudingly.

I hear they are using a new type of battery in the One. I read somewhere that it will last longer. It could be somewhere in the mega thread.
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Their is also a 64gb variant for the device. I'm not sure if you already knew.
But I do understand where you are coming from. I used to be in the same boat as you.
I've come to realize that not having an sdcard slot shouldn't stop me from having a great device. I will just have to adapt. I'm already familiar with otg, so that's the route I'm going to take with the one before I fully commint to cloud storage.
As for the battery, I never cared. I always take my charger with me and can charge anywhere.
But this is what I chose to do. I know a lot of people that can't just simply make that change. That's why I'm going for the one but I also believe sdcard slots should still have a spot in mobile devices. I myself don't think cloud storage can completely replace sdcard.
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Did this require a new thread? Surely these "issues" have been covered to death. You could even go have a good read on the hox threads, it was all covered extensively a year ago as well.
As you say, you have a choice anyway.
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I am sad about no SD card since the Chinese version includes a micro sd slot.
However, battery isn't so much of a concern. If there is 1 flaw of the DHD its the Battery cover. I am willing to sacrifice not being able to remove the battery if it means a sturdier handset.
I don't think non-removable batteries are a big deal - if they were, iphones wouldn't be selling as well as they are

being a cheaply made plastic piece of sh*t is higher up my list of pet peeves than missing SD slot and removable battery.

Lithium-ion batteries start degrading the moment they leave the factory. So buying a "new" battery doesn't always give you the perfect battery you got when you bought the device. Batteries from older devices come often from older stock. So degraded already.
HTC can always replace your battery when needed or you can do it yousrelf after warranty by lifting the screen and buy the parts on eBay.
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/everyday-tech/lithium-ion-battery.htm

Add to this HTC's reluctance to release all things necessary for S-Off and functional components like Wifi etc... and I'll pass. Hopefully their tune changes, but based on my past experience, they're not really dev friendly until they prove otherwise.

Maedhros said:
I am sad about no SD card since the Chinese version includes a micro sd slot.
However, battery isn't so much of a concern. If there is 1 flaw of the DHD its the Battery cover. I am willing to sacrifice not being able to remove the battery if it means a sturdier handset.
I don't think non-removable batteries are a big deal - if they were, iphones wouldn't be selling as well as they are
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That version of HTC One for China Mobile in precise coded as TD101 does have SDcard. However, the carrier opt it with current set of HTC imanging components (8MP) instead of new ultrapixel (4M) and will only put on sale starting July.

coupetastic-droid said:
Their is also a 64gb variant for the device. I'm not sure if you already knew.
But I do understand where you are coming from. I used to be in the same boat as you.
I've come to realize that not having an sdcard slot shouldn't stop me from having a great device. I will just have to adapt. I'm already familiar with otg, so that's the route I'm going to take with the one before I fully commint to cloud storage.
As for the battery, I never cared. I always take my charger with me and can charge anywhere.
But this is what I chose to do. I know a lot of people that can't just simply make that change. That's why I'm going for the one but I also believe sdcard slots should still have a spot in mobile devices. I myself don't think cloud storage can completely replace sdcard.
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Thanks for your comment. I imagine that if there is no better alternative that I will get use to it as well. I probably won't even care about these "issues" once I start using a phone that doesn't have these features for awhile.

charlatan01 said:
Add to this HTC's reluctance to release all things necessary for S-Off and functional components like Wifi etc... and I'll pass. Hopefully their tune changes, but based on my past experience, they're not really dev friendly until they prove otherwise.
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What? Surely they will never release (officially or not) s-off related things. Not really wanted to went thorough into this issue here..
Related about the Wifi source blame those suppliers who cares their patented techs, even several Nexus suffered from this. But I wouldn't defend them as usually late on releasing kernel sources.

By no means is htc one a perfect phone and I don't think htc intended it to be either. However having said that it's the best out there by far, ok there is S4 waiting to be launched. Yes S4 will have some software tweaks like eye scrolling(gimmick) but it will be Plastic, cheap nasty plastic,
Yes htc one would be better with sd card but i can live without that however plastic is a completely different story.

Samsung Galaxy SIII - Maximum storage 32GB + 64GB - 96GB total with removable battery
LG Optimus G - Maximum storage 16GB + 64GB - 80GB total (AT&T version) with no removable battery
HTC One - Maximum storage 64GB total with no removable battery
Xperia Z - Maximum storage 16GB + 32GB - 48GB total with no removable battery
If you're looking for a premium Android phone with more storage than the One and a removable battery you'll be limited to one premium phone. Lets face it, these four flagship phones are arguably the best available today. I think the arguments for an sdcard and removable battery are weak, especially given that some of the best phones out today have no removable battery and storage capacity is increasing every year. I don't think these are any reasons to completely disregard a phone.

If you don't adapt now you will mostly like have to down the road as it seems to be the trend now to make phones with non-removable batteries and no sd card slots. But I get what your saying I had the same thinking when I got the iPhone but after a couple hours I didn't really care anymore lol. So getting the ONE without those things don't bother me at all.
I'm ready to go back to android, I miss all the customization and for me at least the ONE seems perfect!

riz157 said:
By no means is htc one a perfect phone and I don't think htc intended it to be either. However having said that it's the best out there by far, ok there is S4 waiting to be launched. Yes S4 will have some software tweaks like eye scrolling(gimmick) but it will be Plastic, cheap nasty plastic, Yes htc one would be better with sd card but i can live without that however plastic is a completely different story.
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You managed to use the word "plastic" three times in two sentences. 90% of HTC's phones are plastic too including their last two flagships the One X/L and DNA/Butterfly. HTC's track record for build quality and QC is no better than Samsung's with the Sensation(s) and Teg3 One X being particularly spotty. The One's a beautiful phone; perhaps the most attractive HTC's ever built. But just because Samsung uses plastic doesn't mean their device's aren't as well built and durable as HTC's. The inner-assembly of both the SGS3 and N2 are magnesium which is more expensive than aluminum but lighter and stronger. If "cheap" was the end game they could have used aluminum or even plastic because no one sees the part anyway. In other words, plastic used to enhance manufacturing accuracy and provide access to a removable battery shouldn't be confused with quality. And by sacrificing a removable battery, HTC has design and material options Samsung doesn't. I totally get that some people prefer the look and feel of HTC’s devices. But the fact Samsung outsold HTC 10:1 in 2012 means either the entire world's mad or there's more to design and the perception of quality than the difference between one brand's "plastic" (or now, aluminum) and another's. And the reason you see so few metal-backed devices isn't cost; it's because aluminum and wireless signals don't mix. The jury's still out on how well voice, Wi-Fi, BT, GPS, and NFC work alone and in tandem on the One based on antenna placement HTC's using that's never been attempted before.
Here's what happens to last year's flagship when the pretty matte finish applied to the polycarbonate shell experiences any type of abrasion.
And here's what happened to the partially-metal (plastic over the antennas) black One S that HTC tried a new Micro Arc Oxidization coating on.
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Like I said, the One’s probably the best looking device that’s been announced so far this year. HTC’s done some bold things with its design (all-aluminum, 4MP vs. 13MP camera, 4.7” vs. 5” display, dual-front speakers) that have yet to be proven. Let’s celebrate the One’s success after an effective and trouble free launch and it’s been in people’s hands for a few weeks/months.

Note: I currently have a AT&T Galaxy S II, so I might sound a bit biased.
I've been going through this forum for the past couple days because my contract ends in April and I find the HTC One really attractive, at least in some aspects (only two capacitive buttons and software are the low points for me). When I see a large amount of people saying that "plastic is crap" or "who needs batteries and sd cards? they're useless" I kind of agree. But these people also fail to realize, in my opinion, how sturdy plastic is compared to other things. Glass is terrible, I don't think anyone needs to be told that (I'm looking at you, Apple). Aluminum seems nice, but I've had iPod Touches in the past that scratch really badly on the back just from normal use, to the point where I couldn't even stand to use them without a case anymore. (I doubt that the HTC One will do this, however--it doesn't seem to be the same glossy stuff Apple used.) Not to mention with aluminum, you still have to use windows for antennas, at least up until now. My Galaxy S II is the first phone I have used without a case or screen protector.. I have dropped it many times, on carpet, wood, even concrete. Other than a few scratches on the screen, it's pretty much fine. From what I've seen with the S III, it's pretty much the same.
As for SD card, I know many people who fill up their phones a lot. Up until recently, I only used about at max 8 gigs of the 16 gigs in my phone. Same goes for my Nexus 7. However, as time goes on, I've noticed that I've used more and more of the space. Now I only have 3 gigs free on my Nexus 7 and 5 on my S II. It's these type of situations that MicroSD cards are useful.
Finally, as for battery, most people say that they like it because it adds longevity to the device. My main reason for liking it is for hard resets. Sure, you can just hold down the power button for 30 seconds or so, but a battery pull is easier. On top of this, the power button on my Nexus 7 is a bit iffy at times. It can be hard to hold down the power button for 30 seconds when I have to hold it a certain way to make sure it works. It would be absolutely terrible if it stopped working all together.
TL;DR Plastic may seem cheap but is super sturdy; MicroSD cards are still useful and removable batteries can be used for battery pulls.

I think there no need more than 32 gb. And battery i have a s3 and never trade a battery. I like of android of HTC i espect no blootware
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RJEvans said:
Samsung Galaxy SIII - Maximum storage 32GB + 64GB - 96GB total with removable battery
LG Optimus G - Maximum storage 16GB + 64GB - 80GB total (AT&T version) with no removable battery
HTC One - Maximum storage 64GB total with no removable battery
Xperia Z - Maximum storage 16GB + 32GB - 48GB total with no removable battery
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No. The Xperia Z can take a 64GB memory card (you just have to reformat it) and the One is currently only available (in most territories) with 32GB; it will likely be several months before the 64GB version arrives, if it ever does.
That changes the arithmetic a little, and the arrival of the GS4 will likely change it again.

BarryH_GEG said:
You managed to use the word "plastic" three times in two sentences. 90% of HTC's phones are plastic too including their last two flagships the One X/L and DNA/Butterfly. HTC's track record for build quality and QC is no better than Samsung's with the Sensation(s) and Teg3 One X being particularly spotty. The One's a beautiful phone; perhaps the most attractive HTC's ever built. But just because Samsung uses plastic doesn't mean their device's aren't as well built and durable as HTC's. The inner-assembly of both the SGS3 and N2 are magnesium which is more expensive than aluminum but lighter and stronger. If "cheap" was the end game they could have used aluminum or even plastic because no one sees the part anyway. In other words, plastic used to enhance manufacturing accuracy and provide access to a removable battery shouldn't be confused with quality. And by sacrificing a removable battery, HTC has design and material options Samsung doesn't. I totally get that some people prefer the look and feel of HTC’s devices. But the fact Samsung outsold HTC 10:1 in 2012 means either the entire world's mad or there's more to design and the perception of quality than the difference between one brand's "plastic" (or now, aluminum) and another's. And the reason you see so few metal-backed devices isn't cost; it's because aluminum and wireless signals don't mix. The jury's still out on how well voice, Wi-Fi, BT, GPS, and NFC work alone and in tandem on the One based on antenna placement HTC's using that's never been attempted before.
Here's what happens to last year's flagship when the pretty matte finish applied to the polycarbonate shell experiences any type of abrasion.
And here's what happened to the partially-metal (plastic over the antennas) black One S that HTC tried a new Micro Arc Oxidization coating on.
Like I said, the One’s probably the best looking device that’s been announced so far this year. HTC’s done some bold things with its design (all-aluminum, 4MP vs. 13MP camera, 4.7” vs. 5” display, dual-front speakers) that have yet to be proven. Let’s celebrate the One’s success after an effective and trouble free launch and it’s been in people’s hands for a few weeks/months.
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Wtf? Did you run a belt sander over that?
I have the dna and the back is fine. And numerous friends at work have the s3. Lot of cool things about it but please don't compare the plastic on Samsung phones to the one x or the dna. Not even close.
Also I do not use a case.
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BarryH_GEG said:
You managed to use the word "plastic" three times in two sentences. 90% of HTC's phones are plastic too including their last two flagships the One X/L and DNA/Butterfly. HTC's track record for build quality and QC is no better than Samsung's with the Sensation(s) and Teg3 One X being particularly spotty. The One's a beautiful phone; perhaps the most attractive HTC's ever built. But just because Samsung uses plastic doesn't mean their device's aren't as well built and durable as HTC's. The inner-assembly of both the SGS3 and N2 are magnesium which is more expensive than aluminum but lighter and stronger. If "cheap" was the end game they could have used aluminum or even plastic because no one sees the part anyway. In other words, plastic used to enhance manufacturing accuracy and provide access to a removable battery shouldn't be confused with quality. And by sacrificing a removable battery, HTC has design and material options Samsung doesn't. I totally get that some people prefer the look and feel of HTC’s devices. But the fact Samsung outsold HTC 10:1 in 2012 means either the entire world's mad or there's more to design and the perception of quality than the difference between one brand's "plastic" (or now, aluminum) and another's. And the reason you see so few metal-backed devices isn't cost; it's because aluminum and wireless signals don't mix. The jury's still out on how well voice, Wi-Fi, BT, GPS, and NFC work alone and in tandem on the One based on antenna placement HTC's using that's never been attempted before.
Here's what happens to last year's flagship when the pretty matte finish applied to the polycarbonate shell experiences any type of abrasion.
And here's what happened to the partially-metal (plastic over the antennas) black One S that HTC tried a new Micro Arc Oxidization coating on.
Like I said, the One’s probably the best looking device that’s been announced so far this year. HTC’s done some bold things with its design (all-aluminum, 4MP vs. 13MP camera, 4.7” vs. 5” display, dual-front speakers) that have yet to be proven. Let’s celebrate the One’s success after an effective and trouble free launch and it’s been in people’s hands for a few weeks/months.
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Samsung are brilliant at marketing their product, miles ahead of htc. The funds at their disposal are phenomenal, poor htc just can't compete with them. They managed to convince consumers to buy their product, i was one of them who was convinced. So basically selling more doesn't necessarily equate to quality or better product.
Last year was definitely Samsung's year their products were better and more innovative in some ways then most other phones. However that doesn't distract from the fact the S3 note 2 were probably most fragile also and to boot do mark up very very easily( back front sides) purely due to poor choice of material used. I should know I've owned both and sold both within months due to the plastic crap finish. I just couldn't look at anymore after the release of iPhone 5.
Note 2 screen is the poorest I've seen last year biggest disappointment about the phone no matter how well it sold you just can't get over that fact. To be honest i was also swept away by the advertisement, brilliant marketing by Samsung and prefer big screens.
I also bought hox which is also plastic build but compare the design and durability of the two you know which would survive a fall and doesn't look plasticky :silly:.
Last year I went for ext memory, removable battery, poor design, fragile product and crap looking plastic = S3 note 2.
This year my preference is good solid build, quality, design, material, innovative software = HTC One.

[Warning: giant pics inside] My experiences with disassembling the OnePlus One

Meh, might as well. Repost from OnePlus Forums.
Update: finally added the Note 2 battery's weight
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I should add that I facilitate no allegiance to any particular phone brand, nor am I sponsored by any phone brand. I work for myself, and make my own decisions based on fact, not personal biases. I love the OnePlus One as a phone, I just don't like what the company is doing to their customers.
It all started when I created a thread about the iPhone 5C's battery being able to be upgraded. I was then met with the question: "Why didn't OnePlus make the battery on its One removable? Another manufacturer, Samsung, could make a phone that had a larger removable battery in a form factor that was thinner and shorter than the OPO, even with the addition of a MicroSD slot and a USB 3.0 port." I was informed that OnePlus chose to make their battery non-removable, because if they did, it would end up being a 2500 mAh cell, 80% that of the current 3100 mAh, due to the inclusion of a protective shell, regulatory circuitry, spring contacts etc.
Then I thought, "Weird; the 5" Samsung Galaxy S4 has a removable battery, but it has a 2600 mAh battery!" So to settle things once and for all (for now), I went ahead and disassembled my OnePlus One, to compare its internal battery's volume with a removable equivalent, the Samsung Galaxy Note 2's (also 3100 mAh). Seeing that OnePlus warranty is near non-existent anyway, even if the phone did fail or malfunction due to manufacturer fault, I'd just get another phone to save the trouble of going through RMA hell.
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Now, I'm not going to dissect the batteries; rechargeable cells are very dangerous, and can explode if punctured. So, I measured the dimensions of both batteries to calculate their respective volumes. I didn't have a digital scale on me, so I couldn't calculate the energy density of Li-ion (Note 2) vs. LiPo (OPO).
The dimensions (in milimeters) of the batteries are as follows:
OnePlus One
Length: 83.39 mm
Width: 57.84 mm
Thickness: 4.38 mm
Volume: 21125.96 cubic mm
Energy Density (power/weight): 230.98 Wh/kg
Volumetric Mass Density (weight/volume): 0.0024 g/cubic mm
Note 2
Length: 75.00 mm
Width: 55.44 mm
Thickness: 5.65 mm
Volume: 23492.7 cubic mm
Energy Density (power/weight): 226.54 Wh/kg
Volumetric Mass Density (weight/volume): 0.0022 g/cubic mm
This makes the volume of the OnePlus One's battery 89.9% that of the Note 2's, so the percentage difference is only 10.1%. Keep in mind that this is lithium ion vs. lithium polymer. Li-ions need more protective circuitry to prevent overcharging and exploding and whatnot, compared to their LiPo counterparts. And from what I heard, LiPos have a higher energy density than Li-ions, which is why I wanted to calculate how much the batteries weighed as well.
Edit: The OnePlus One's battery has a comparatively higher energy density (1.8% higher), a smaller volume, and a higher mass density (8.3%!!!!) than the Note 2's, meaning a LiPo battery should provide more power than a Li-ion of the same weight and volume. But, since the difference is so small, it's probably going to cancel out once we take into account the protective shell and protection circuits and whatnot. In conclusion, the point below still stands due to the negligible difference because it is calculated based on the removable equivalent having around the same specifications.
Just going by these numbers, a removable equivalent for the OnePlus should be roughly 2780 mAh (10.4% decrease), not 2500 as OnePlus has claimed (a ~20% decrease). Of course, this is inconclusive, but this should give you a better idea of what's actually happening here.
The Galaxy S4 featured here is the LTE-A version, sporting a Snapdragon 800 chipset, more closely related to the OPO's Snapdragon 801 compared to the Snapdragon 600 S4.
I have discovered that the OnePlus's processor may not be adequately cooled. Since smartphones are passive devices, they aren't actively cooled by fans like computers are, so they rely on heat dissipation through the use of a heatsink of some sort.
The Samsung Galaxy S4's chassis is made of magnesium alloy, just not as abundantly so as the OPO. The logic board well is form-fitting, and there are thermal pads that contact the underside of the logic board to the chassis in order to dissipate heat. Since the chassis is so big, heat is easily dissipated.
The OPO, however, looks like it's insulated at the area where the chipset is closest to the chassis with what seems to be carbon paper/film. Now, I'm no materials expert (and correct me if I'm wrong), but I'm pretty sure carbon in this state should act as an insulator. I say this because iPhones use the same stuff on the chassis to protect the LCD from heat damage (on the iPhone, the film is on the LCD side and not the logic board side).
On the underside of the logic board, we see that there's a steel cage covering the on-board components, covered by a thermal pad.
What does this mean? It means that under load, a Samsung phone will feel hotter to the touch, because that's the passive cooling system in action. In the case of the OnePlus one, it might not feel as hot as a Samsung under similar loads, but when it does get hot, it's really, really hot. So hot that the small heatsink and carbon film can't contain or dissipate it.
For size comparison purposes, here's the Galaxy S4's logic board next to the OPO's. Remember that the S4 is a 5 inch phone.
Assembly was probably quite sloppy; the tape used to insulate the speaker contacts is off-center on the left speaker.
The weak vibrate motor cannot be upgraded, as it is soldered to the flex.
The earpiece grille is centered on the front of the phone, but it is offset to the left internally because the camera module takes up the space in the center, as can be seen below. This may or may not contribute to the low earpiece volume, since it is channeled.
The rear microphone (pictured below) is also offset slightly lower than the hole next to the rear camera. Outside, the hole is parallel to the center-point of the camera lens, but internally, it is parallel to the top of the flash LED closest to the camera. I'm not sure how effective this placement is. The top microphone (refer to picture above, left of front camera hole) is channeled.
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Nice!!
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This is what i call informative!Thank you @vantt1

Very informative, thank you.

Thanks was it that difficult?
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Thank You. So how hard would it be to replace the battery when the original starts dying?

Good work!
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This was amazingly informative, one of the best posts I've seen in awhile! Kudos mate

It's hard to tell the thermal conductivity of carbon because it largely depends on the allotrope (type of carbon).

carbon is an excellent heat conductor, it even better than metal.

janice1234 said:
carbon is an excellent heat conductor, it even better than metal.
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It depends on what form of carbon - some are excellent but others are mediocre, at best.

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Thanks was it that difficult?
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Not that difficult, I've had difficult-er
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It's hard to tell the thermal conductivity of carbon because it largely depends on the allotrope (type of carbon).
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Yeah, that's why I was "pretty sure" and not "completely sure". I have yet to find any straight answers as to whether if carbon is a conductor or insulator.
I know for a fact that iPhones have a similar sticker on their chassis. It's found on the midframe between the LCD and the logic board, and it is stuck on the LCD side. It is commonly called the heat shield, meaning it protects the LCD from the logic board's heat. Since it's on the LCD side and not the logic board side, I'm more inclined to think it's an insulator.
iPhone 4:
iPhone 5S:
It would make no sense for it to be a conductor, or else it'd conduct the heat to the LCD.

Great informative post... Thx for the teardown.
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Great post, thank you

Worth it to just to see the rd battery !!!
nice work thanks,
I'll open mine as soon they release the kevlar back ! :silly:

Does LiPo also have a limited number of charges like Li-ion? Will we have to deal with shorter battery life as it ages?

nice work!
nice work!
Thank you so much!

Thanks,
Excellent work. You're a braver man than I for sure!!!!!!
Question: Did you get it back together and did it work???
Seems like a lot of us are like 12 year old little boys.
Take it apart and worry about the rest later, right???
Ken

notesbancales said:
Worth it to just to see the rd battery !!!
nice work thanks,
I'll open mine as soon they release the kevlar back ! :silly:
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I think OnePlus canceled all the StyleSwap covers for good.
clevebb said:
Does LiPo also have a limited number of charges like Li-ion? Will we have to deal with shorter battery life as it ages?
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Yes, it does. All batteries, li-ion and LiPo, will decrease in capacity the more charge cycles it goes through.
kenfb1 said:
Thanks,
Excellent work. You're a braver man than I for sure!!!!!!
Question: Did you get it back together and did it work???
Seems like a lot of us are like 12 year old little boys.
Take it apart and worry about the rest later, right???
Ken
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Of course!

Very detailed indeed, so how hard do you think it is to replace the screen/digitizer?
Thanks

No.1 Sun S2 Circular Dial

No.1 Sun S2 Bluetooth 3.0 Smart Watch Heart Rate Monitor with Circular Dial Replaceable Strap
Circular display watch fits my fancy
Right now if you pre-order it you get an extra strap which I think is awesome. I personally got the silver metal one. I would of gotten the black metal one they just added those and more expensive with no extra leather strap :-\
Looks promising bluetooth 3.0 (wish 4.0 or 4.1 not sure on the latest), heart rate monitor, pedometer, 1.3MP camera, and ip67 waterproof( so hopefully decent, enough so you don't have to take it off all the time to do something water related.) I'm hopeful its a circular display with flat tire bottom which I personally wish they'd get rid of but somehow that stuck with the big makers, so it's here for the knock offs too :-\. I also wish they'd get rid of the camera, and add gps to it instead for better fitness tracking. I read about the other smart-watches with camera's and they have something along the lines of 5 fps videos and just plain horrid quality. Which is understandable it's a wrist watch don't think they need a camera, especially if you have the smartphone with you. I plan on doing a video review so I'll add that when I get my grubby little hands on it (so a month after june 13th lol knowing Chinese delivery :-/).
Here is the specs of the device:
Specifications
Hardware
Brand: No.1
Built-in chip type: MT6260
Bluetooth version: Bluetooth 3.0
Waterproof: YES
Waterproof Rating: IP67
Functions
Bluetooth calling: Phone call reminder, Dialing, phonebook
Messaging: Message reminder
Health tracker: Heart rate monitor, Pedometer
Remote control: Music remote, Camera remote
Notification: Yes
Screen
Screen size: 1.33 inch
Camera
Camera pixel: 1.3MP
Battery
Battery capacity: 350mAh
Standby time: About 90 hours
General
People: Unisex watch
Dial and Band
Shape of the dial: Circular
Case material: Metal
Band material: Leather
Features
Language: English, Simplified/TraditionalChinese
Available color: Silver, Black
Weight and Size
The dial thickness: 1.4 cm / 0.55 inches
The dial diameter: 4.8 cm / 1.89 inches
Package size (L x W x H): 12 x 10 x 8 cm / 4.72 x 3.93 x 3.14 inches
Product weight: 0.090 kg
Package weight: 0.300 kg
Package contents
Package contents: 1 x No.1 Sun S2 Bluetooth 3.0 Smart Watch, 1 x USB Cable, 1 x Chinese and English Manual, 1 x Leather Band
Here's where I pre-ordered mine from: http://www.gearbest.com/smart-watches/pp_189365.html?vip=30903
If you want that is my referral link otherwise you can go to www.gearbest.com and search for Sun S2, should bring it up right away.
Just wanted to add the video gearbest has:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeiaWsSIh1o
Another video of the watch mine hasn't been shipped out yet tho:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9O0iJ0E1FE
Found another image of a full circular display on banggood.com I'm hoping they implemented this we will soon find out.
Link: http://www.banggood.com/NO_1-SUN-S2...oof-Bluetooth-Smart-Watch-Phone-p-978145.html (couldn't just copy the image from them or else I would of done this instead :-/)
Images toward the bottom of the page.
My unboxing
https://youtu.be/SJOMGI5Y6nY
My review of the watch ( I'll try getting an updated one with trying out the features maybe I was to negative on them right away.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhW7ZTuNbVw
waterproof test not mine I may make one though it's done by No.1 I believe so yea I'll think about it possibly.
https://youtu.be/N2JYbgg25AQ

I had also ordered one last week. Did you find any video with the interface looks? Only one video so far without any wristband.
The notifications looks similar to android wear right? Hopefully scrolling with motion is also included. I have ordered the silver metal one but i also like the black metal one. Had to make a choice haha

Yea that's only video I've seen so far. From what I've seen the notifications do look similar I'm guessing it won't veer to much off course. I don't know why they won't just install an android watch os on it isn't google's android os open source? Maybe not enough ram for it not sure. But yea your guess is as good as mine for now. Did you order regular shipping or expedited, I opted for the regular so I don't expect it till July hopefully in time for my birthday (self birthday present lol). From what I've read of other nock off's the extra features don't work super great so I'll be happy if it functions as a watch. since I have time this summer maybe I'll take a stab at developing it doubt I'll make any progress but worth a try, since it is a cheap nock off device good learning platform I guess sorta lol nexus device would better lol.

I ordered regular shipment i guess, had no option or at least didn't see one.
The no. 1 g2 (same brand) was actually pretty good and they say new models are most time better (they learn from their mistakes hehe)
The interface lools a hell like this one and also the bottom looks the same, see:
https://youtu.be/L6k7B_CJZgU

Yeah that does look similar, as for them learning from prior devices not sure lol. I'm hopeful it'll be similar to the g2 i've read decent things about it so that'd be nice to have a little better one than it. I've also asked them if i can switch my silver one with metal band for the black and black metal band one and the leather strap, if not then I'll just stick with the silver one and leather band, it's always nice having 2 bands in case though. I'm sure they'll be really cheap anyway to buy after the fact but don't feel like waiting another month or paying more for it locally so nice option.

Yeah I ordered silver one from tiny deals.com and hope too get it by mid June,they said that it will ship out by the 5th,but since the demand is so high they moved the delivery date up to the 15th of June also got regular shipping 15-30 days!!!

48mm diameter? You'd have to have massive wrists or you end up looking like a five year old wearing daddy's watch. You'd look cooler strapping a pocket watch to your wrist, they're the same size.

Lokifish Marz said:
48mm diameter? You'd have to have massive wrists or you end up looking like a five year old wearing daddy's watch. You'd look cooler strapping a pocket watch to your wrist, they're the same size.
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Lol,never looked at it like that,oh well was only $55

Lokifish Marz said:
48mm diameter? You'd have to have massive wrists or you end up looking like a five year old wearing daddy's watch. You'd look cooler strapping a pocket watch to your wrist, they're the same size.
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Look at the pictures of the woman's with the watch wearing. It's not that very big in my opinion. I don't have skinny arms
http://en.001phone.cn/product-no-1-sun-smartwatch-100.html

elroy944 said:
Look at the pictures of the woman's with the watch wearing. It's not that very big in my opinion. I don't have skinny arms
http://en.001phone.cn/product-no-1-sun-smartwatch-100.html
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You do realize that every one of those images is shopped right? So unless the woman in the first image has an +8in wrist (which is larger than most men BTW) it would never look like that. This is a 48mm watch that's has almost the exact same lug to lug distance as the S2 on a 7.5in wrist
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Lokifish Marz said:
You do realize that every one of those images is shopped right? So unless the woman in the first image has an +8in wrist (which is larger than most men BTW) it would never look like that. This is a 48mm watch that's has almost the exact same lug to lug distance as the S2 on a 7.5in wrist
BTW this is what the same watch looks like on a typical woman's 6.25in wrist
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I think it's a personal taste. I like big watches

True, but until smartwatches get down to the 40mm range, most women and watch wearers will not wear it. And that's where the money is.

Looks like a freaking flav-a-flav watch......""BOiiiiii""; )

S2 has Temperature measurement as I know

Watch compatability with i phone?
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QUOTE=spriteboost;61040450]No.1 Sun S2 Bluetooth 3.0 Smart Watch Heart Rate Monitor with Circular Dial Replaceable Strap
Circular display watch fits my fancy
Right now if you pre-order it you get an extra strap which I think is awesome. I personally got the silver metal one. I would of gotten the black metal one they just added those and more expensive with no extra leather strap :-\
Looks promising bluetooth 3.0 (wish 4.0 or 4.1 not sure on the latest), heart rate monitor, pedometer, 1.3MP camera, and ip67 waterproof( so hopefully decent, enough so you don't have to take it off all the time to do something water related.) I'm hopeful its a circular display with flat tire bottom which I personally wish they'd get rid of but somehow that stuck with the big makers, so it's here for the knock offs too :-\. I also wish they'd get rid of the camera, and add gps to it instead for better fitness tracking. I read about the other smart-watches with camera's and they have something along the lines of 5 fps videos and just plain horrid quality. Which is understandable it's a wrist watch don't think they need a camera, especially if you have the smartphone with you. I plan on doing a video review so I'll add that when I get my grubby little hands on it (so a month after june 13th lol knowing Chinese delivery :-/).
Here is the specs of the device:
Specifications
Hardware
Brand: No.1
Built-in chip type: MT6260
Bluetooth version: Bluetooth 3.0
Waterproof: YES
Waterproof Rating: IP67
Functions
Bluetooth calling: Phone call reminder, Dialing, phonebook
Messaging: Message reminder
Health tracker: Heart rate monitor, Pedometer
Remote control: Music remote, Camera remote
Notification: Yes
Screen
Screen size: 1.33 inch
Camera
Camera pixel: 1.3MP
Battery
Battery capacity: 350mAh
Standby time: About 90 hours
General
People: Unisex watch
Dial and Band
Shape of the dial: Circular
Case material: Metal
Band material: Leather
Features
Language: English, Simplified/TraditionalChinese
Available color: Silver, Black
Weight and Size
The dial thickness: 1.4 cm / 0.55 inches
The dial diameter: 4.8 cm / 1.89 inches
Package size (L x W x H): 12 x 10 x 8 cm / 4.72 x 3.93 x 3.14 inches
Product weight: 0.090 kg
Package weight: 0.300 kg
Package contents
Package contents: 1 x No.1 Sun S2 Bluetooth 3.0 Smart Watch, 1 x USB Cable, 1 x Chinese and English Manual, 1 x Leather Band
Here's where I pre-ordered mine from: http://www.gearbest.com/smart-watches/pp_189365.html?vip=30903
If you want that is my referral link otherwise you can go to www.gearbest.com and search for Sun S2, should bring it up right away.
Just wanted to add the video gearbest has:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeiaWsSIh1o
Found another image of a full circular display on banggood.com I'm hoping they implemented this we will soon find out.
Link: http://www.banggood.com/NO_1-SUN-S2...oof-Bluetooth-Smart-Watch-Phone-p-978145.html (couldn't just copy the image from them or else I would of done this instead :-/)
Images toward the bottom of the page.[/QUOTE]
Does this watch work with i phone 5s i.e. does it work with iOS?

Not sure if it would. Personally from what I've read about other smartwatches it seems like a few functions don't work like use it to wirelessly shoot pictures, and a few other ones. So some features you would have to live without. Get out of apple easiest way unless you're way to heavily invested in the apps :-\ otherwise you'll probably be stuck with only applewear. Sorry can't help much more don't have mine yet to possibly test it out.

As well as some features not working i believe Bluetooth 3.0, as this watch has, doesn't play well with IOS. The new Zgpax s360 http://www.amazon.co.uk/1-22inch-Bluetooth-Circular-Android-Smartphones-Rose-Gold/dp/B00XW0RXEQ looks a better bet to me if you want a round dial. It's Bluetooth 4.0 and a fair bit smaller

Pseud O'Nym said:
As well as some features not working i believe Bluetooth 3.0, as this watch has, doesn't play well with IOS. The new Zgpax s360 http://www.amazon.co.uk/1-22inch-Bluetooth-Circular-Android-Smartphones-Rose-Gold/dp/B00XW0RXEQ looks a better bet to me if you want a round dial. It's Bluetooth 4.0 and a fair bit smaller
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Thanks for the replies. I checked with a supplier (Tiny Deal) and they say that: Can receive the Twitter,Facebook,skype,whatsapp.(Only for Android phones) but the rest of the watch functions should work for iOS. The U8 pro watch has similar limitations and does work & sync with i phone 5s.

Pseud O'Nym said:
As well as some features not working i believe Bluetooth 3.0, as this watch has, doesn't play well with IOS. The new Zgpax s360 http://www.amazon.co.uk/1-22inch-Bluetooth-Circular-Android-Smartphones-Rose-Gold/dp/B00XW0RXEQ looks a better bet to me if you want a round dial. It's Bluetooth 4.0 and a fair bit smaller
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I think it's ugly compared to the S2. Icons on the screen are Kutzy too. I'll stick with the S2. And s fat as iPhone compatible. Apple doesn't like anything but Apple, that's why you have to pay 549 for their metal watch. It dies have a couple more features but they are not worth that much extra. Apple uses a buffering Bluetooth format that everyone else that's why some functions don't worth. Get rid of the iPhone and get with it.

Just noticed something. Those specs can't be right. If they are, then the chip used is pushing three years old.

Overall love

Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the LG V30, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the LG V30 is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

This is my first Android device since the original Moto X, which I only purchased to find out a little about Android.
I was not impressed with the Apple rollout this year, even though I've bought a new iPhone every autumn for ten years. I don't like the fight between Apple and Qualcomm, which has caused them to turn off some features on the Qualcomm chips so that nobody who gets an Intel modem feels inferior.
So far I'm enjoying the V30, although I am having a problem getting used to the keyboard. I know that an iPhone will kick its ass in benchmarks, but for everyday use, it hasn't mattered much yet.
Tremendous audio with a headset, and not ½ bad audio through Bluetooth or tethering.

Just compared headphone output from my T-mobile v30 to my wifes iphone x using my Shure 846's. No comparison, iphone blows away v30. Half the volume from iphone is equal to full volume on my v30 and v30 is supposed to have the built-in DAC! What gives? Makes no sense to me. I bought this phone thinking I could finally listen without dragging my Dragonfly around, but not happening this time around. The only music loud enough using v30 is loudly mastered, brick-walled music, which I rarely listen to. I usually listen to either Tidal or my own digitized vinyl rips. Very disappointing.

mistemuse said:
Just compared headphone output from my T-mobile v30 to my wifes iphone x using my Shure 846's. No comparison, iphone blows away v30. Half the volume from iphone is equal to full volume on my v30 and v30 is supposed to have the built-in DAC! What gives? Makes no sense to me. I bought this phone thinking I could finally listen without dragging my Dragonfly around, but not happening this time around. The only music loud enough using v30 is loudly mastered, brick-walled music, which I rarely listen to. I usually listen to either Tidal or my own digitized vinyl rips. Very disappointing.
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Just asking, do you have the quad DAC enabled? It's a setting you have to turn on, not sure why it's not enabled by default.
There's also this, which is well-written and I'm quoting from another thread, one specifically devoted to the quad DAC and loudness:
Billy Madison said:
QuadDAC is not about loudness, it's about quality and fidelity of sound. It won't blow your eardrums with MP3s
It's not 75. Android has 16 grades of sound volume in stock, it's 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 .... 15, 16.
16 being loudest. If every 15 is divided in 5 it's give us 75= 15*5
So that's why V20 has only 75 grades, it's not that there's some magic extra 25 to 100, for they don't exist in Android. But you may get like 34% of loudness or 68% which you can't have in another Android phones, for they have 5% steps only
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@mistemuse, you seem to be confusing the quad DAC with the amp.
https://www.androidauthority.com/lg-v30-audio-797447/
The chip features stereo quad parallel delta sigma converter channels with a 32-bit interpolation filter for a low noise conversion process, which ESS calls its HyperStream II architecture. For the spec insatiable audiophiles, the ES9218 boasts 2.0Vrms output, 130 dB SNR and -114 dB Total Harmonic Distortion, and support for up to 32-bit 384kHz PCM and DSD256 file formats. Of course, real world additional circuit performance, required drive from the amp, and input file type will affect these stats somewhat, but they’re impressive nonetheless.
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But it should be loud enough if you have it enabled.

Yes, the DAC is automatically enabled as soon as I plug-in my cans. But really, weather it's enabled or not the degree of loudness appears the same to me. Also, before I bought this phone I thought I read many claims that the v30 in addition to a DAC, also had an amp as well. Maybe I was just being hope-full. In regards to the Android grade system that is mentioned, one need look no further than Phone Arena reviews, where they measure headphone output, and the v30 finished below the Note. One would think that if you were to brag about the audio in a phone that loudness would be cranked up as well because I do not know any audio lover that doesn't like their music loud. If HTC can do it why not LG?

This post makes no sense to me. The v30 DAC only works with wired headphones, the apple x is Bluetooth only. Is there something I am missing?

Yes you did. An adapter is provided with just about any phone that does not come with a headphone jack, enabling you to listen wired.

Rideit12 said:
This post makes no sense to me. The v30 DAC only works with wired headphones, the apple x is Bluetooth only. Is there something I am missing?
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No, you didn't really miss anything. There are people who are apologists for bad designs. (Any phone without a headset jack.) Apple isn't "Bluetooth only" -- but by removing the headset jack they are forcing you in that direction. You can't listen and charge at the same time (with the dongle they provide).
OR you can BUY a $35 dongle which lets you listen and charge at the same time. Apple took away functionality and then charging you money to add it back.
You have to carry an extra dongle around, which you can lose. Or you can buy their expensive headset buds. BINGO! After making fun of Apple last year for doing that, Google joined them this year in the biggest show of hypocrisy in a long, long time.
mistemuse said:
Yes you did. An adapter is provided with just about any phone that does not come with a headphone jack, enabling you to listen wired.
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Yes, one of many dongles Apple makes -- so you can have back the functionality they took away in the first place.
You have to carry dongles around, which you can lose -- instead of having the 3.5mm headset jack in the first place. LG and Samsung have IP68 (higher) rating WITH a headset jack than Apple's IP67 rating WITHOUT a headset jack. So, had nothing to do with water/dust resistance, but instead trying to force you to use their pricey Bluetooth earbuds.
Samsung even made a video mocking Apple for such nonsense (including other dubious design decisions over the years).
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No password possible?
Total thread drift here, but is it possible to run the v30 with no password or fingerprint Id? I personally have no use for it...

I thought this review reflected the V30 very well. Also, the reference to the iPhone X having a unibrow sums up my take on that.

Rideit12 said:
Total thread drift here, but is it possible to run the v30 with no password or fingerprint Id? I personally have no use for it...
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The only problem with that is your display then is never locked. It's unlocked. You stick your phone in your pocket and the display can turn on and is ACTIVE. You can accidentally dial people, send garbled text messages, turn on apps, etc. aka "butt dialing", due to pressure on the active display. You really need to not only turn off the display, but lock it. Even a swipe gesture can be simulated with pressure in your pocket. I've seen many people complain about it, but the only solution is to lock the display so it can only be unlocked with a pattern/pin/fingerprint.
I set my phone to lock the display immediately every time I turn off the display. I then use a pattern to unlock the display when I turn it back on. When I get my LG V30, I will most probably use the fingerprint sensor.

Just got the V30+ (Black) and wow.. this thing is a beauty! Feels premium in the hand and looks stunning. Screen is almost perfect, wonderful colors, very sharp and super bright. The only issue here is the relatively narrow viewing angles. Far from a deal breaker for me, but it's up to you I guess.
I'll have to use it few days for a final opinion but so far I think this one is a winner. BTW, no uniformity issue here.

galr said:
Just got the V30+ (Black) and wow.. this thing is a beauty! Feels premium in the hand and looks stunning. Screen is almost perfect, wonderful colors, very sharp and super bright. The only issue here is the relatively narrow viewing angles. Far from a deal breaker for me, but it's up to you I guess.
I'll have to use it few days for a final opinion but so far I think this one is a winner. BTW, no uniformity issue here.
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Very interested in design.
It looks so bland in pictures.... Does it really strike you as different?

kolembo said:
Very interested in design.
It looks so bland in pictures.... Does it really strike you as different?
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Yes, definitely.
The black version is a beauty in my opinion.. feels and looks very premium.
The only problem with the design, and sadly it's a disease we have on most phones.. curved screen.
Screen protectors just don't like curved screens. It doesn't look as impressive when the edges of the screen protector don't have 100% contact with the screen.. you know how it.
Personally I'll take flat screen any day.
Given that all phones are curved a bit on the edges..I had the chose the best one for me , the V30.
Keep in mind, it does collect smudges and fingerprints easily.
Overall I am really happy with it.
Again, downsides : Narrow viewing angles, selfie camera, curved screen.
Battery life is great so far, we don't have AT&T here so no bloat. I get around 5 hours SOT with about 20 hours on battery and still have around 30% left.

galr said:
Yes, definitely.
The black version is a beauty in my opinion.. feels and looks very premium.
The only problem with the design, and sadly it's a disease we have on most phones.. curved screen.
Screen protectors just don't like curved screens. It doesn't look as impressive when the edges of the screen protector don't have 100% contact with the screen.. you know how it.
Personally I'll take flat screen any day.
Given that all phones are curved a bit on the edges..I had the chose the best one for me , the V30.
Keep in mind, it does collect smudges and fingerprints easily.
Overall I am really happy with it.
Again, downsides : Narrow viewing angles, selfie camera, curved screen.
Battery life is great so far, we don't have AT&T here so no bloat. I get around 5 hours SOT with about 20 hours on battery and still have around 30% left.
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I've got the unlocked v30 in silver. Overall, I'm happy so far, but not wowed by the design. It is nice and light and thin. I agree with your comments about the curved screen. I'm glad that the v30 screen is less curved than others. I went with a wet application screen guard made by skinomi. Happy with it so far. The edges haven't peeled up. If you go this route, you need to spend a lot of time with the installation to make sure the edges stay down. Hairdryer was key for me.
I'm coming from a LG G5. The one thing I noticed was that the whites were way whiter on the g5 than the v30.
Regarding your comment on viewing angles, how did you come to that opinion? I find them to be quite good. Did you run a test or use a display app to analyze the angles or is it just your day to day experience?

Chiming in for the V30S, essentially similar to V30 except for bump to 6GB RAM and 128GB internal storage.
I'm extremely happy with this phone.
With Soundmagic E80 headphones which trigger high impedance mode of the HiFi DAC set to "slow" filter, the audio is phenomenal - this is the main reason I bought this phone. The SD835 with 6GB is much smoother and faster than my previous phone with SD808 and 3GB. Display is fine, none of the issues reported with early V30's, the "comfort mode" to reduce blue light is a plus too. Fingerprint reader works well, a new convenience for me. Lighter and thinner than my last phone. Great battery performance. QC 3.0 is a substantial improvement over QC 2.0 and there are a lot of aftermarket chargers which also means some with safety certifications. Bootloader unlock and root, with the stuff you can do with that including Ti Backup with the bloatware freezing , AdAway, and YouTube adaway and background play (thanks XDA community!). IP68 and some degree of ruggedness. I load FLACs to feed the DAC so 128 GB storage was nice to find with the added SD slot (watching for mass market 512GB cards soon).
Only a couple niggles: The WiFi (client mode) does not handle same-SSID AP handoffs very well, it hangs my app streaming FLACs from an NAS when a handoff occurs (my last two phones could keep the app going through a handoff). Not a showstopper, the workaround is to use a single 2.4GHz AP so no handoff occurs (2.4GHz has enough range to cover my whole house). The longer screen makes one-handed use more difficult at times, trying to reach both the top and bottom which are father apart. Um, that's about it for the negatives so far. Others may have more problems but I keep things simple, no auto-brightness, no voice assistant, Nova Launcher with the obnoxious Google search field banished, no active wallpaper, LG keyboard replaced with Gboard minus the fancy stuff, privacy invasions, and built-in Google search, etc.
Really pleased so far. The B&H $250 discount deal was nice too, getting all this at the discounted price is a great deal.

Coming from the Apple environment, I'm very pleased. I've rediscovered that you CAN configure your phone to suit your personality and your needs, rather than what Apple thinks that we should consider important. And I'm absolutely ecstatic to still be using my wired headphone... and no... I don't care what the Bluetooth consortium maintains, Bluetooth 5 still does not come close to the quality and reliability of a quality pair of headphones through a properly supported 3.5 headphone jack. Apple is making a mint out of royalties to ensure compatibility with their wireless connected devices, (not to mention those ugly wireless headset they sell for around $149). Sure, I miss Facetime. And to a certain extent I also miss iMessage. But I'll stick to a device that I can use in accordance to my own needs... not Apple's. Pretty happy with my LG V30 ThinQ, so far.

Very satisfying device overall, coming back to LG, after the G4. Had Nokia 8 and Xiaomi Mi Mix 2 in between.

My LG V30 got a bit bored and I looked at the market - what interesting is available?
And it turns out that absolutely nothing can replace this phone!
All new smartphones are thicker, larger, or lacking in functionality such as wireless charging or water resistance. None has such a headphone amplifier!
The only smartphone that I thought about for a moment is the new Samsung S20 without plus, but I gave up.
Poorly functioning fingerprint reader under the screen (I love the clickable button with the scanner on the back), no 3.5mm jack, ugly island with lenses on the back ...
There is no alternative for me on the market.

figer said:
My LG V30 got a bit bored and I looked at the market - what interesting is available?
And it turns out that absolutely nothing can replace this phone!
All new smartphones are thicker, larger, or lacking in functionality such as wireless charging or water resistance. None has such a headphone amplifier!
The only smartphone that I thought about for a moment is the new Samsung S20 without plus, but I gave up.
Poorly functioning fingerprint reader under the screen (I love the clickable button with the scanner on the back), no 3.5mm jack, ugly island with lenses on the back ...
There is no alternative for me on the market.
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I know. This V30 series and the 2018 V35 -- which was an upgraded V30 (basically a V40 built in a V30 frame with NO notch) -- was the height of design and functionality. If only I could find the 128GB V35+... (only shipped to Brazil and I can't find any online).

Quality feel (use of materials)

Rate this thread to express how you think the LG V30 feels in terms of quality. A higher rating indicates that it feels premium and high-quality (attention to detail is high, manufacturing defects don't exist, etc).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

disclaimer, i don't actually own a V30. however, i've been to a local electronics store today and was lucky they had one on display. well... it looks better on pictures, imo. and hand warm as it was it didn't feel great either, to say the least. frankly, it looked and felt very cheap, like glossy plastic all around. other phones with similar materials made a more premium impression.
maybe it takes more time, maybe it feels better when cold, perhaps i'm just not a big fan of the whole glossy glasswich design. whatever it is, i didn't like it and felt a bit disappointed

Valfaun said:
disclaimer, i don't actually own a V30. however, i've been to a local electronics store today and was lucky they had one on display. well... it looks better on pictures, imo. and hand warm as it was it didn't feel great either, to say the least. frankly, it looked and felt very cheap, like glossy plastic all around. other phones with similar materials made a more premium impression.
maybe it takes more time, maybe it feels better when cold, perhaps i'm just not a big fan of the whole glossy glasswich design. whatever it is, i didn't like it and felt a bit disappointed
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On the other hand, I own five and it has a very premium feel.
You do need the back glass for Qi wireless charging, and as a result you need a case.
So, what you saw in the store is not what you'll carry.

High quality! The only reason some say it doesn't feel premium is because LG successfully made it lighter. Why heavy == premium in 2018 is beyond me.

I love the feel of the V30. Always felt very premium compared to many of the other flagships that have been released as of late. I am an omni-rep for the major US carriers and I get to play with all the new phones and the V30 just fits my hands better compared to the s9 or s9+.
I like the V30 being light as a heavier phone generates more force when striking the ground. Adds for survivability.

Well built except for the back class cover not even with the metal frame, you can feel the edge not being smooth. I red about it in a review before buying, thought this cannot be real in a flagship in 2018 but still is. Anyway if used with some back protection this won't be felt.

usersky007 said:
Well built except for the back class cover not even with the metal frame, you can feel the edge not being smooth. I red about it in a review before buying, thought this cannot be real in a flagship in 2018 but still is. Anyway if used with some back protection this won't be felt.
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More grip :laugh:
The phone feels valuable from the materials but Gorilla Glass sucks - already have countless micro scratches (without even combining it with keys and other sharp objects in my pocket) and it's only a few months old with very minor usage traces.
And that applies virtually to EVERY flagship (or non-flagship) phone nowadays.
Call me oldfashioned, class-less or whatever but I prefer a good plastic back/case which can without rough usage, had my Note 3 fall down countless times (with case TPU case) and no crack, same applies to the Galaxy S1 that one is even more sturdier and has survived even more falls without any traces :good:
Flagship phone users shouldn't be assumed to need to babysit or only touched their phones with silk gloves on (and whole-phone protectors) - they are everyday usage devices ("daily driver") after all - thus should be able to take quite a dozen falls, a beating (e.g. bumping against table/wall corners) and not just be there for aesthetics
If you want aesthetics by a Russian variant of those with gold plating and diamonds

zacharias.maladroit said:
The phone feels valuable from the materials but Gorilla Glass sucks - already have countless micro scratches (without even combining it with keys and other sharp objects in my pocket) and it's only a few months old with very minor usage traces.
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The problem is sand. You can carry around a few particles of sand in your pocket or on a table and your phone has littly tiny scatches. :/

One of the things I really love about the V30 is how thin it is, which is only 7.3mm thick. Compare that to the S9 which is around 8.5mm. Takes me back when thinness used to be all the rage back in 2015. However as much as I like the glass back in terms of looks, I've already gotten many small scratches on the glass and I've only used it for less than 5 days! Lesson learned, ALWAYS have a case ready when you buy a glass back phone.

ChazzMatt said:
On the other hand, I own five and it has a very premium feel.
You do need the back glass for Qi wireless charging, and as a result you need a case.
So, what you saw in the store is not what you'll carry.
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@ChazzMatt
Yo bud, since you have 5 of these things, and you've always been helpful in the past with my (and yours I think at the time) older phones, I feel you're the go-to guy for an in-depth look at these phones.
I'm not looking for a huge write up, I don't want to take a ton of your time. But after my past experiences with the G3 heating up and destroying the solder on the display connection to the rest of the phone (or whatever it would do to break itself, fixed temporarily by the "penny mod" but ultimately doomed many G3s including two by me...) I'm a bit hesitant to buy another LG product again. I believe this issue should be fixed or at least tempered with a smaller SoC and going to an OLED display... but I digress...
Alas, I desperately need an upgrade and waiting until the fall for the SD855 Pixel 4 is not an option. I found some fairly good deals on V30+ phones and knew you had one (or 5).
Since this is a "vote how good the V30 is" thread, I was wondering if you wouldn't mind giving a semi-in-depth review. V30 and V30+ the same phone hardware/software? What are the pros/cons? Any long term concerns about construction, hardware, software? Good power, battery life, heat dissipation? Rootable at newest stock ROM? Bootloader unlockable? Good custom ROMs available? Is the stock ROM themable (substratum)? Anything else you can share that I or others may not have thought of?
I know I quoted your post from over a year ago, but was hoping to get some insight from a guy I trust here on XDA.
Thanks in advance for any help and info you can give!

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@ChazzMatt
Yo bud, since you have 5 of these things, and you've always been helpful in the past with my (and yours I think at the time) older phones, I feel you're the go-to guy for an in-depth look at these phones.
I'm not looking for a huge write up, I don't want to take a ton of your time. But after my past experiences with the G3 heating up and destroying the solder on the display connection to the rest of the phone (or whatever it would do to break itself, fixed temporarily by the "penny mod" but ultimately doomed many G3s including two by me...) I'm a bit hesitant to buy another LG product again. I believe this issue should be fixed or at least tempered with a smaller SoC and going to an OLED display... but I digress...
Alas, I desperately need an upgrade and waiting until the fall for the SD855 Pixel 4 is not an option. I found some fairly good deals on V30+ phones and knew you had one (or 5).
Since this is a "vote how good the V30 is" thread, I was wondering if you wouldn't mind giving a semi-in-depth review. V30 and V30+ the same phone hardware/software? What are the pros/cons? Any long term concerns about construction, hardware, software? Good power, battery life, heat dissipation? Rootable at newest stock ROM? Bootloader unlockable? Good custom ROMs available? Is the stock ROM themable (substratum)? Anything else you can share that I or others may not have thought of?
I know I quoted your post from over a year ago, but was hoping to get some insight from a guy I trust here on XDA.
Thanks in advance for any help and info you can give!
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Haven't forgotten about this. Yeah, no more overheating or boot loops. LG put in copper pipe heat dissipater.
Yes to about all your questions.
I'll try to write more later.
Go read the introduction (Section 1) part of my WTF Bootloader Unlock and Root Instructions post. I tell why V30 is good.
Also LG just added DTS 3D stereo...
LG V30/V30+
* 1440P OLED (537 ppi)
* Qi wireless charging
* 3.5mm headset jack
* Quad DAC
* DTS 3D stereo
* IP68 dust/water resistance
* rear camera OIS on normal lens - plus 120 degree wide angle lens
* superfast fingerprint sensor
* 64GB (V30) or 128GB (V30+) internal storage
* microSD port for additional storage
* bootloader unlock and root
* no notch
* fantastic battery

ChazzMatt said:
Haven't forgotten about this. Yeah, no more overheating or boot loops. LG put in copper pipe heat dissipater.
Yes to about all your questions.
I'll try to write more later.
Go read the introduction (Section 1) part of my WTF Bootloader Unlock and Root Instructions post. I tell why V30 is good.
Also LG just added DTS 3D stereo...
LG V30/V30+
* 1440P OLED (537 ppi)
* Qi wireless charging
* 3.5mm headset jack
* Quad DAC
* DTS 3D stereo
* IP68 dust/water resistance
* rear camera OIS on normal lens - plus 120 degree wide angle lens
* superfast fingerprint sensor
* 64GB (V30) or 128GB (V30+) internal storage
* microSD port for additional storage
* bootloader unlock and root
* no notch
* fantastic battery
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Thanks boss, no need to write more. I did find your WTF... post all about the root and unlock method. After writing the above I did feel like a tool, life "why couldn't I just surf around xda for a while and find these answers" lol. I guess wanted to hear it from someone I trusted from past experience.
Thanks again. I guess my only real question is related to the waterproofing. If I put the phone under the faucet to wash off spills, or if I put the phone in a tub of water, do I have to close off the charging port or headphone jack? My first time with a water resistant phone, don't want to botch it up giving it a bath or something.

LifeAsADroid said:
Thanks boss, no need to write more. I did find your WTF... post all about the root and unlock method. After writing the above I did feel like a tool, life "why couldn't I just surf around xda for a while and find these answers" lol. I guess wanted to hear it from someone I trusted from past experience.
Thanks again. I guess my only real question is related to the waterproofing. If I put the phone under the faucet to wash off spills, or if I put the phone in a tub of water, do I have to close off the charging port or headphone jack? My first time with a water resistant phone, don't want to botch it up giving it a bath or something.
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Here's the demo LG did to show it off.
I wouldn't abuse it like going swimming to take underwater pictures, but occasional rinse off shouldn't hurt.
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There is little of scratches at the back. But its visible if you get closer and use the light to see scratches. So not a game breaker. Yesterday while i was pulling up and when I get upsidedown, phone dropped on the marble floor and nothing happened. Height was 1.80 like.