There should be a stickied S5 dictionary for noobs..
What does "KLTE" mean? I'm asking this because I'd like to flash TWRP through TWRP manager but I have no idea if my phone is KLTE or not..
EDIT: found answer over here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2784690
EDIT: 2014-09-29
Let's have a definite confirmed answer as to where these device type names come from. :good:
John Bentley said:
What I'm after is knowledge.
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This question is not answered.
The closest thing to an answer in the thread you linked to, [Q]Possibly a stupid question... (IDing handset version) is
gee2012 said:
KLTE = G900I, G0900F and G900M
K3G = G900H
These are device names.
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... which hints at an answer but falls far short. A google search for "klte" or "what is klte" returns XDA forum threads, including this one, which use the term but don't define it.
I'd suggest removing the "[Solved]" from your title until some kind and experienced user can enlighten us noobs.
A response here, rather than the other thread, would be better given this current thread is descriptively titled ("What does "KLTE" mean?").
lingowistico said:
There should be a stickied S5 dictionary for noobs..
What does "KLTE" mean? I'm asking this because I'd like to flash TWRP through TWRP manager but I have no idea if my phone is KLTE or not..
EDIT: found answer over here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2784690
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klte is just a Device Type for Galaxy S5, as hlte is Device Type for Galaxy Note 3...
You can see more detailed info in Phone INFO ★Samsung★ app.
(Model name, Device type, Product name, Product code, etc...)
Thanks vndnguyen. That provides a partial picture. For example I now can see the "Device Type" field in the Phone INFO Samsung app (which, incidentally, for my Samsung Galaxy S2 repeats the value for "Phone Model", GT-I9100.
vndnguyen said:
klte is just a Device Type for Galaxy S5, as hlte is Device Type for Galaxy Note 3...
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That contradicts the information provided by gee2012. That is, that for one phone model, such as the Samsung Galaxy S5, there can be multiple device types. This is further illustrated at teamw.in/twrp_view_all_devices, looking at one model, for example, the Samsung Galaxy S4 you see multiple device types:
TWRP for Samsung Galaxy S4 (Canada) [jfltecan]
TWRP for Samsung Galaxy S4 (Cricket) [jfltecri]
And this misses the basic questions. Is "klte" a designation internal to Samsung or do other manufacturers use it? Are the letters random or based on some code that references something (the above examples seem to reference a region and carrier)? Where is the list, at least for the Samsung Galaxy S5, of device types? Does "ktle" reference a region or a piece of hardware? etc.
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K stands for Krait (name of cpu) and LTE stands for well LTE.
Basically KLTE is used as short for S5's based on the Snapdragon 801 chipset.
That's how I see it.
lingowistico said:
K stands for Krait (name of cpu) and LTE stands for well LTE.
Basically KLTE is used as short for S5's based on the Snapdragon 801 chipset.
That's how I see it.
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LTE is correct, but K does not stand for Krait, as Note 3 also use the same CPU, but its Device Type is hlte.
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And also please be noted that you can easily change the Model Name (SM-G900F), Device Type (klte), Product Name (kltexx) by editing the build.prop file.
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Thanks @lingowistico and @vndnguyen for your responses.
vndnguyen thanks for providing information about where these values reside (build.prop). Of course if those values where changed then they would simply inaccurately reflect the intentions of Samsung to identify its model, device, and product.
lingowistico, vndnguyen has claimed that your speculations are not, in fact, true. Given that, and that the basic questions remain, what do you think of my suggestion?
vndnguyen said:
LTE is correct, but K does not stand for Krait, as Note 3 also use the same CPU, but its Device Type is hlte.
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And also please be noted that you can easily change the Model Name (SM-G900F), Device Type (klte), Product Name (kltexx) by editing the build.prop file.
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Yes of course. You can't have two different devices with the same name. So what does the K stand for? How do you know for sure that it doesn't stand for krait?
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Thanks @lingowistico and @vndnguyen for your responses.
vndnguyen thanks for providing information about where these values reside (build.prop). Of course if those values where changed then they would simply inaccurately reflect the intentions of Samsung to identify its model, device, and product.
lingowistico, vndnguyen has claimed that your speculations are not, in fact, true. Given that, and that the basic questions remain, what do you think of my suggestion?
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What is your suggestion? I'm sorry I didn't get it.
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Yes of course. You can't have two different devices with the same name. So what does the K stand for? How do you know for sure that it doesn't stand for krait?
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vndnguyen's point is that that there are two different devices, a Samsung Galaxy S5 and a Samsung Note 3, with *different* device types strings; and if "K" stood for krait, a group of snapdragon processors, then the Note 3 variant with a snapdragon 800 would have a device name with a "K" in it. But the (relevant variant of the (I assume)) Note 3 has a device type of "hlte", so ndnguyen claims.
Even if vndnguyen was mistaken about that you seem to be guessing ("That's how I see it.") at how the device type string is derived, not making a claim to know how the device type string is derived based on evidence. What I'm after is knowledge.
lingowistico said:
What is your suggestion? I'm sorry I didn't get it.
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Me:
I'd suggest removing the "[Solved]" from your title until some kind and experienced user can enlighten us noobs.
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John Bentley said:
vndnguyen's point is that that there are two different devices, a Samsung Galaxy S5 and a Samsung Note 3, with *different* device types strings; and if "K" stood for krait, a group of snapdragon processors, then the Note 3 variant with a snapdragon 800 would have a device name with a "K" in it. But the (relevant variant of the (I assume)) Note 3 has a device type of "hlte", so ndnguyen claims.
Even if vndnguyen was mistaken about that you seem to be guessing ("That's how I see it.") at how the device type string is derived, not making a claim to know how the device type string is derived based on evidence. What I'm after is knowledge.
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IMO, the Device Type is just a random name, it has no meaning.
Here is some Device Type for your reference:
Galaxy Tab 2 10.1 - espresso10wifi
Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 - espressowifi
Galaxy Tab 3 10.1 - santos10lte
Galaxy Tab 3 7.0 - lt02lteatt
Galaxy Tab 3 8.0 - lt02lte
Galaxy Tab 3 - lt01lte
Galaxy S3 - m0
Galaxy S4 - jflte
Galaxy S5 - klte
Galaxy Note 2 - t03g
Galaxy Note 3 N900 - ha3g
Galaxy Note 3 N9005 - hlte
As you can see, the suffix of the Device Type is type of network supported (wifi, 3g, lte) or network provider (att - AT&T, spr - Sprint, tmo - T-Mobile, vzw - Verizon...). But the prefix is random and can not be predicted.
The point of of this thread was to have a simple answer to the following question:
Can I flash "KLTE" roms? I got my answer.
But since you've now embarked on a quest for some actual knowledge behind "KLTE" I'm going to go ahead and remove SOLVED from the title. Because you've intrigued me.
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http://developer.samsung.com/home.do is a good place to look for an answer I think.
lingowistico said:
But since you've now embarked on a quest for some actual knowledge behind "KLTE" I'm going to go ahead and remove SOLVED from the title. Because you've intrigued me.
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lingowistico said:
Let's have a definite confirmed answer as to where these device type names come from.
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Good on you lingowistico. That's the spirit!
@vndnguyen. Yes it does seem that Device Type is used by Samsung with no deterministic algorithm. The suffixes do seem to be some combination of the most advanced (or more costly?) radio in the device (wifi, 3g, lte) with an optional carrier. Yeah I don't know what the prefix could reference. Perhaps it's just a sequence designator.
Again, the biggest list of device types to model name mappings I've found is http://teamw.in/twrp_view_all_devices
So that establishes one of my issues: Is device type specific to Samsung? No. For example HTC has device types.
And indeed I've found an official Android definition at http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Build.html , which explains most of the values found in /system/build.prop. So ro.product.device (it seems) is explained as
DEVICE The name of the industrial design.
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Not that "The name of the industrial design" is especially meaningful. But it seems to be the clue that its a field is used by Manufacturer's however they like, for their internal purposes.
From SM-G906S/K/L/ S805 Info Sharing thread (Root/CWM/Custom Rom)
prodigiez said:
the version "klte" is G900x
our version is known as "lentislte"
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Which is not quite right given that a SM-G900H has a ro.product.device of "k3g" as shown in a build.prop dump at Any Indian here Owning Galaxy S5? Need help > Post 3
What we need is an official or unofficial list of all device types for all Samsung devices, or at least for all Samsung Galaxy S5. lingowistico, for that purpose thanks for the http://developer.samsung.com/home.do link. I'm rooting around there, so far without success.
@vndnguyen i have a 900F "klteZH" . will brick it if try to flash klteXX roms on it?
shohag2018 said:
@vndnguyen i have a 900F "klteZH" . will brick it if try to flash klteXX roms on it?
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I don't own S5, but the answer is most likely yes.
ZH is Hong Kong version and XX is international version. These variants are not compatible with each other.
If you want to flash klteXX rom, you need the PIT file from that variant.
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I don't own S5, but the answer is most likely yes.
ZH is Hong Kong version and XX is international version. These variants are not compatible with each other.
If you want to flash klteXX rom, you need the PIT file from that variant.
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Where can i get it?
EDIT: ok now this is what happened. i just flashed the universal gsm built for cm12 unofficial, and now the device is being shown as kltexx. is it in any way possible that first two letters maybe denote only the Region and has nothing to do with the hardware? its shown as 900F afterall.. not M/i/k/s or anything..
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Where can i get it?
EDIT: ok now this is what happened. i just flashed the universal gsm built for cm12 unofficial, and now the device is being shown as kltexx. is it in any way possible that first two letters maybe denote only the Region and has nothing to do with the hardware? its shown as 900F afterall.. not M/i/k/s or anything..
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not really, its more of software, as you know that klte and kltexx are international, you flash Roms for "klte" or "kltexx". in reality, I think its the same thing.
Thanks a lot for this thread. It helped clear up my confusion about my phone. I just got this s5 and was trying to figure out if i could flash a rom
Samsung Galaxy S5 Duos Sm-g900fd
plzzz get Custom roms for (Samsung Galaxy S5 Duos Sm-g900fd)
vndnguyen said:
I don't own S5, but the answer is most likely yes.
ZH is Hong Kong version and XX is international version. These variants are not compatible with each other.
If you want to flash klteXX rom, you need the PIT file from that variant.
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Waht about canadian KOT49H?? )900W8(
There are limited supports for this device.. but i figure what the heck try an 'F' rom or an 'H' ROM??
1. Is it okay if i just dont root the device sm-n900k and just flash the sm-n9005 firmware from sammobile? I just want to try and change firmware because i can't update the version, still stucked at 4.4.2 having some problems with signal, korean apps and the shutter sound of the camera.
Thank you
Personally, I would not try it as it may brick the phone. The 900k uses a Samsung Exynos processor and the n9005 uses a Qualcomm.
http://www.imei.info/phonedatabase/14281-samsung-n900k-galaxy-note-3/
Are there any other site except sammobile that offers firmware? I just want to update my phone to lollipop version but i am also scared to unlock the bootloader because i cant find a guide and btw im not sure if the bootloader is locked or maybe i just can't find a compatible custom recovery for my phone
Traditionally Korean model has had slightly different hardware making them incompatible with international variants (TV antenna for example on the S1/S2). However, at least from forum posts here N9005 custom ROM should work fine, as long as you keep your old modem.
Although, there should be an official 5.0.1 ROM around with a GOF2 ending, considering the existence of a Lollipop bootloader for it. Have you tried just plugging it into Kies and check for update?
(If you want to give it a shot, here is the baseband + bootloader: https://mega.nz/#F!0MNyVboS!XpjPYizNyY7LPZdsepyTFw . Flash this then a 5.0 custom ROM and you should be good to go)
@audit13 N900K is Snapdragon. Exynos doesn't have LTE, but all Korean model has LTE (different bands for different networks though)
@thebulletfromhell, I am not familiar with the n900k and I based my information on the link in my post above yours. I looked at several site and they specifically mention the Exynos. This one also mentions LTE: http://welectronics.com/gsm/Samsung/SAMSUNG-SM-N900K-GALAXY-NOTE-3-4G-LTE-BLACK.HTML
I know you can't believe everything you read on the internet. Thank you for the information.
I saw that too, but it was the only site that mentioned it, so I looked further. Info on Korean models are pretty rare in English, as the hardware for the most part is incompatible with Network Bands in the English speaking part of the world, making grey import iffy, and thus no reason to write about them.
Hello everyone
I had Note 4 with Exynos chipset (N910C) with no brand (European version).
After some issues with LTE connections and SIM card recognition I have bought used N910F motherboard and installed in my device.
First boot shows that motherboard is from Italy device with Wind operator applications installed.
Next I flashed device but forgot to record IMEI, modem version and bootloader version.
I have restored device using Samsung Kies and during restore process Kies reported device as:
PDA: QG3
CSC: QG1
PHONE: QA1
After restore system setting shows:
Model: N910F
Modem: N910FXXS1DQA1
Version number: MMB29M.N910FXXU1DQG3
1) Now I have a problem: should I use TRLTE roms or TRLTEXX?
When I put "Note 4" in TWRP website search it suggest "Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Qualcomm (trlte)" - so it is TRLTE device?
On the other hand most of N910F images are tagged as TRLTEXX.
2) Can I mix TRLTE TWRP with TRLTEXX ROM image (and vice versa) or they should always match?
3) I have tested few roms and faced problems with not working camera. I know that latest official Android version for Note 4 was Android 6.1
and most roms (RR, Lineage) are based on Android 7.1 If this is the reason of problems? Because official Samsung kernel with working camera
supports Android up to version 6.1 and customs kernel used in 7.1 have some camera issues?
4) What is the relation between kernel version and Android versions? Its like Android 6.1 requires kernel 3.x.x and Android 7.1 requires for example versions never than 4.x.x etc?
I will be thankful for answers to my questions. I know that they may be naive for experienced users but I try to good understand the process,
rather than blind flash roms until device will work.
Your device is basically n910f now. You should use twrp and roms for n910f
Your camera is nonfunctional because Exynos based units use Samsung's ISOCELL modules, and Snapdragon devices use Sony's image sensors. Your network connectivity should be gone as well for that reason.
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Your device is basically n910f now. You should use twrp and roms for n910f
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Ok, but still, if it is TRLTE or TRLTEXX because both tags comes with N910F roms.
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Your camera is nonfunctional because Exynos based units use Samsung's ISOCELL modules, and Snapdragon devices use Sony's image sensors. Your network connectivity should be gone as well for that reason.
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By network connectivity You mean that antena design is also different and will cause signal loss?
I forgot to mention that I have also switched front and back camera to used ones from N910F.
From original N910C only body, USB port and scrren left.
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By network connectivity You mean that antena design is also different and will cause signal loss?
I forgot to mention that I have also switched front and back camera to used ones from N910F.
From original N910C only body, USB port and scrren left.
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Precisely. If you replaced those too, you should have no issues
Questions 1 and 2: Both use Snapdragon chips. Trltexx is the unlocked international N910F, while the other one is usually sold by carriers (T-mobile, AT&T and the likes). You should be able to mix 'em with no issues.
3: To get devices working on non-OEM firmwares without direct support from official drivers, developers write bundles of code called SHIMs. The camera is one such device, and because in most cases the driver is based on the manufacturer's own proprietary code, it's usually with blood and tears that our dear devs are able to get everything working even as it is. That's why you may face almost-working equipment with AOSP ROMs. You can read more about SHIMs here.
4: "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" applies here. There's no direct correlation between Android versions and which kernel versions they use, and manufacturers are sometimes slow to move to a higher version number because of how little meaningful improvements it brings. Recently, Google has mandated that all devices shipping with a SoC manufactured in 2017 or later must come with kernel version 4.4
Hope this clears things up. Anyone is welcome to correct if anything I've said is in the slightest incorrect. :angel:
Cheers,
-odd
Hi all,
It's been a long, long while since I tinkered with roms, I think my last one was either a Samsung Galaxy Tab (the original one!) or an HTC Sensation.
So I've recently acquired a Note 4 n910F and can't stand all of the Samsung bloatware, and I'd like a newer version of android for compatibility with newer apps.
So remind me... What does 'stock' mean? Is this as Samsung intended, or as android intended? I'd just like a vanilla as possible android experience that works well.
Help please!
richuu said:
Hi all,
It's been a long, long while since I tinkered with roms, I think my last one was either a Samsung Galaxy Tab (the original one!) or an HTC Sensation.
So I've recently acquired a Note 4 n910F and can't stand all of the Samsung bloatware, and I'd like a newer version of android for compatibility with newer apps.
So remind me... What does 'stock' mean? Is this as Samsung intended, or as android intended? I'd just like a vanilla as possible android experience that works well.
Help please!
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Hey! I don't know if you've already found your answers but I thought I would respond in case you haven't.
In almost every reference you see in this section of xda "stock" is referring to the TouchWiz OS that Samsung phones are shipped with.
True android stock is referred to as "vanilla" like you said.
I use a different model Note 4 than you have but from what I've read it's fairly easy to flash TWRP (custom recovery) on the F model via Odin and from there you can pick from whichever rom suits you. Just be sure you're in the Snapdragon section. There are many different models of the Note 4 and some of them have a different processor called Exynos. The roms are processor specific and you can only use the ones built for your type which is the Snapdragon processor.
One other thing I wound suggest, because of the different variants of the F model, is to take notice of your CSC code. Once you start flashing other roms it may be hard to track down the original code. Use this app to see what it is and that way you can flash the appropriate modem file (or if you need to reflash your stock firmware) instead of just using whichever modem file is provided in the OP of the rom you're flashing. There are many different variants of the F model with many different country codes, just remember that just because the firmware has a newer release date doesn't mean it's the correct version.
TWRP- Found here
Samsung USB drivers for Windows. Needed to connect your phone to your PC- Found here
Odin download- Found here
Development section for Snapdragon- Found here
Fantastic response, thank you. I think I'd like to do without TouchWiz... Pretty much all of my previous phones have been HTC, which either had the HTC skin over it, which was fairly unobtrusive, or barely anything at all. The current version of android and TW on the note 4 is messy.