Question about converting model from sm-n900k to sm-n9005 - Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

1. Is it okay if i just dont root the device sm-n900k and just flash the sm-n9005 firmware from sammobile? I just want to try and change firmware because i can't update the version, still stucked at 4.4.2 having some problems with signal, korean apps and the shutter sound of the camera.
Thank you

Personally, I would not try it as it may brick the phone. The 900k uses a Samsung Exynos processor and the n9005 uses a Qualcomm.
http://www.imei.info/phonedatabase/14281-samsung-n900k-galaxy-note-3/

Are there any other site except sammobile that offers firmware? I just want to update my phone to lollipop version but i am also scared to unlock the bootloader because i cant find a guide and btw im not sure if the bootloader is locked or maybe i just can't find a compatible custom recovery for my phone

Traditionally Korean model has had slightly different hardware making them incompatible with international variants (TV antenna for example on the S1/S2). However, at least from forum posts here N9005 custom ROM should work fine, as long as you keep your old modem.
Although, there should be an official 5.0.1 ROM around with a GOF2 ending, considering the existence of a Lollipop bootloader for it. Have you tried just plugging it into Kies and check for update?
(If you want to give it a shot, here is the baseband + bootloader: https://mega.nz/#F!0MNyVboS!XpjPYizNyY7LPZdsepyTFw . Flash this then a 5.0 custom ROM and you should be good to go)
@audit13 N900K is Snapdragon. Exynos doesn't have LTE, but all Korean model has LTE (different bands for different networks though)

@thebulletfromhell, I am not familiar with the n900k and I based my information on the link in my post above yours. I looked at several site and they specifically mention the Exynos. This one also mentions LTE: http://welectronics.com/gsm/Samsung/SAMSUNG-SM-N900K-GALAXY-NOTE-3-4G-LTE-BLACK.HTML
I know you can't believe everything you read on the internet. Thank you for the information.

I saw that too, but it was the only site that mentioned it, so I looked further. Info on Korean models are pretty rare in English, as the hardware for the most part is incompatible with Network Bands in the English speaking part of the world, making grey import iffy, and thus no reason to write about them.

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[Q] flashing stock firmware over old/ region

hello i require your assistance
i bought a samsung galaxy note 3 SM-n9009 in china. Upon bringing it back to singapore, i realised that i may not be able to use it with local telcos. I have limited knowledge of phone firmware, but if im not wrong, each telco has their own firmware. Hence, my question is, am i able to flash my local telco's firmware over the current one, and use my simcard on it without any drawbacks? and if so, how?
i have did a limited search and found that only european note 3 are region locked. im not sure if the current one is.
thank you for your help
for info: singapore local models are n9005.
Nuker22110 said:
hello i require your assistance
i bought a samsung galaxy note 3 SM-n9009 in china. Upon bringing it back to singapore, i realised that i may not be able to use it with local telcos. I have limited knowledge of phone firmware, but if im not wrong, each telco has their own firmware. Hence, my question is, am i able to flash my local telco's firmware over the current one, and use my simcard on it without any drawbacks? and if so, how?
i have did a limited search and found that only european note 3 are region locked. im not sure if the current one is.
thank you for your help
for info: singapore local models are n9005.
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There isn't much info around about the N9009 model, Is it like the N9005? snapdragon? -- From what I can see it isn't possible, however it may be possible flashing N9005 firmware but I wouldn't hold your hopes too high.
radicalisto said:
There isn't much info around about the N9009 model, Is it like the N9005? snapdragon? -- From what I can see it isn't possible, however it may be possible flashing N9005 firmware but I wouldn't hold your hopes too high.
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thank you for the fast reply. its a china dual sim model. how do i tell if its snapdragon? and if its possible how should i go about doing it?
Yup it's Snapdragon - Only N900 has Exynos (my bad should have realised straight away) ---
In regards to flashing, you need to read A LOT on here about the different flash routes you can take, compatability and methods. And be ready to be able to flash back to the software that it is on currently or you could end up with a bricked device. Once you have read up on everything, you can then decide if you feel you can flash your device or not, or if the device can handle it without messing it up.
Although saying that *eureka!*. Have a look if you can change your CSC/Modem radio -- that may work rather than trying to flash a new firmware.
radicalisto said:
Yup it's Snapdragon - Only N900 has Exynos (my bad should have realised straight away) ---
In regards to flashing, you need to read A LOT on here about the different flash routes you can take, compatability and methods. And be ready to be able to flash back to the software that it is on currently or you could end up with a bricked device. Once you have read up on everything, you can then decide if you feel you can flash your device or not, or if the device can handle it without messing it up.
Although saying that *eureka!*. Have a look if you can change your CSC/Modem radio -- that may work rather than trying to flash a new firmware.
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how could i go about checking to change the csc/ modem radio?
Have a look around the development section and you should find Modem radios/CSC files etc -- have a read and see what is there and if others have had similar issues, you may also find someone in that sub-forum with a wealth of knowledge regarding changing stuff (far more than me at least)
hopefully anyone else who has any experience would be able to shed some light on this matter
Theres not much research in n9009 cuz nobody has them
If i were you id try to flash a signapore csc and modem but no whole FW
hit 'thanks' if i helped you
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Samsung note 4 not getting anything more than 2G

Hey all im totally new to this and i apologise if this has been covered. I had a samsung galaxy note 4 and my darling kids thought it would be an epic idea to stick things inside the charge port totally ruining it and making the phone unchargable. So i contacted samsung repair center and was quoted a ridiculous price to repair and i just bout a new one to only find that its not an australian version i have a sm-n910k and my original one is a sm-n910G what can i do i cant get 3g i cant get lte i can only get 2G and minimal bars of service at that if anyone can help any advice atm is great advice thank you all in advance.
RageRydah said:
Hey all im totally new to this and i apologise if this has been covered. I had a samsung galaxy note 4 and my darling kids thought it would be an epic idea to stick things inside the charge port totally ruining it and making the phone unchargable. So i contacted samsung repair center and was quoted a ridiculous price to repair and i just bout a new one to only find that its not an australian version i have a sm-n910k and my original one is a sm-n910G what can i do i cant get 3g i cant get lte i can only get 2G and minimal bars of service at that if anyone can help any advice atm is great advice thank you all in advance.
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Go to settings/mobile networks and set apn settings manually depends on your sim carrier and country.
Just google your sim carrier apn settings and you will find easily.
Trex888 said:
Go to settings/mobile networks and set apn settings manually depends on your sim carrier and country.
Just google your sim carrier apn settings and you will find easily.
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I have already done apn settings and still to no avail i cant work this out for the life of me the only thing i keep thinking is that this model may not be compatible with my country as i know the sm-n910g is australia and the sm-n910k is korea i think ive bought myself a dud unless theres something i can do software wise idk any input is great imput though :/
Did you bought a new device, n910k or was it a replacement part? If you're comfortable, you can always change the USB port itself. I've done it for my Note 2 before. The USB port should be just a ribbon cable so you don't have to worry about soldering and stuffs like that. The prices are also way cheaper too.
mha93 said:
Did you bought a new device, n910k or was it a replacement part? If you're comfortable, you can always change the USB port itself. I've done it for my Note 2 before. The USB port should be just a ribbon cable so you don't have to worry about soldering and stuffs like that. The prices are also way cheaper too.
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Apparently the usb port is tricky to replace as its apart of the screen as samsung has told me and its a whole new device its the korean version im not sure what to do as the place i bought it from is a long distance away from where i live and i was wondering if there was a way i could install like the sm-n910G firmware to it. Im at my wits end with this and not sure what to do.
Oh right. I forgot about that. It was a simple plug out and in for my Note 2.
The issue right now is that the n910k, most probably does not support Australia's LTE bands. Hence the reason why you can only connect to 2G. You can check out gsmarena for the supported LTE bands for different models.
You can install a stock Note 4 Exynos firmware from another country with a carrier that uses the same LTE band as your carrier. It should be safe as some members here are able to install different firmwares meant for another device on their device, example N910G on N910F provided the CPU are the same.
Go to SamMobile, and find the firmware for Note 4 and you can see a list of Note 4 firmware available for download. You need to do some leg work though to ensure that the firmware you're flashing is meant for the Exynos version and the modem supports your carrier's LTE band.
This video shows what I'm talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=FTxD4kwlfCM
mha93 said:
Oh right. I forgot about that. It was a simple plug out and in for my Note 2.
The issue right now is that the n910k, most probably does not support Australia's LTE bands. Hence the reason why you can only connect to 2G. You can check out gsmarena for the supported LTE bands for different models.
You can install a stock Note 4 Exynos firmware from another country with a carrier that uses the same LTE band as your carrier. It should be safe as some members here are able to install different firmwares meant for another device on their device, example N910G on N910F provided the CPU are the same.
Go to SamMobile, and find the firmware for Note 4 and you can see a list of Note 4 firmware available for download. You need to do some leg work though to ensure that the firmware you're flashing is meant for the Exynos version and the modem supports your carrier's LTE band.
This video shows what I'm talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=FTxD4kwlfCM
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Ive found the firmware for a sm-n910g can i use that to go over the sm-n910k? It has the firmware aswell as a csc which i think im going to need to research to know exactly what im doing as i have no clue atm lol but cheers heaps man i feel like im getting closer
RageRydah said:
Ive found the firmware for a sm-n910g can i use that to go over the sm-n910k? It has the firmware aswell as a csc which i think im going to need to research to know exactly what im doing as i have no clue atm lol but cheers heaps man i feel like im getting closer
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No don't install over the n910g over your n910k. N910k is using a different cpu than N910g. N910k uses Samsung's Exynos processor and N910g being a Snapdragon processor. Idk what would happen if you flash a N910G over a n910K but I think it would be considered lucky if your phone would be able to boot up.
Your n910k should be able to run on another firmware meant for an Exynos processor like n910c. I just don't know if, after installing over your 4G would work because of different LTE bands. But this website says there's a chance it might work.
https://www.frequencycheck.com/compatibility/zYzu9/samsung-galaxy-note-4-sm-n910c/australia
Usually in most cases, when a user accidentally installs a firmware meant for another variant, assuming they would get past the samsung boot up scene, they would not be able to get any network connections. This is due to different firmwares having different modem files for the different LTE bands. However if you were to install over a firmware with the same internals as your current device and more or less uses around the same LTE bands, it should work.
mha93 said:
No don't install over the n910g over your n910k. N910k is using a different cpu than N910g. N910k uses Samsung's Exynos processor and N910g being a Snapdragon processor. Idk what would happen if you flash a N910G over a n910K but I think it would be considered lucky if your phone would be able to boot up.
Your n910k should be able to run on another firmware meant for an Exynos processor like n910c. I just don't know if, after installing over your 4G would work because of different LTE bands. But this website says there's a chance it might work.
https://www.frequencycheck.com/compatibility/zYzu9/samsung-galaxy-note-4-sm-n910c/australia
Usually in most cases, when a user accidentally installs a firmware meant for another variant, assuming they would get past the samsung boot up scene, they would not be able to get any network connections. This is due to different firmwares having different modem files for the different LTE bands. However if you were to install over a firmware with the same internals as your current device and more or less uses around the same LTE bands, it should work.
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Ok ive decided to do the sm-n910c conversion as frequency is better does it matter what country region i download it from as there isnt an australian one... if someone could link me to the firmware and what i need to do that would be amazing.... thankyou everyone so far it been a big help
RageRydah said:
Ok ive decided to do the sm-n910c conversion as frequency is better does it matter what country region i download it from as there isnt an australian one... if someone could link me to the firmware and what i need to do that would be amazing.... thankyou everyone so far it been a big help
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Here you go. It's every firmware ever listed. You need to create an account before downloading though and the download takes forever. You can install the firmware when your phone is in download mode using Odin via your computer.
https://www.sammobile.com/
mha93 said:
Here you go. It's every firmware ever listed. You need to create an account before downloading though and the download takes forever. You can install the firmware when your phone is in download mode using Odin via your computer.
https://www.sammobile.com/
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It doesnt have an australian firmware version do i select a random one? And then proceed with odin and install? Thanks in advance
RageRydah said:
It doesnt have an australian firmware version do i select a random one? And then proceed with odin and install? Thanks in advance
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You can try a random one. Preferably one without a telco. Example, N910C and not N910C (telco name). It shouldn't matter much as the difference would be that the one with a telco would come preinstall with the telco apps. Also, preferably from a English speaking country because usually the language would be based on country.
I would recommend you to download the original firmware for the n910k in case if this fails, you would be able to fall back to the original firmware.
mha93 said:
You can try a random one. Preferably one without a telco. Example, N910C and not N910C (telco name). It shouldn't matter much as the difference would be that the one with a telco would come preinstall with the telco apps. Also, preferably from a English speaking country because usually the language would be based on country.
I would recommend you to download the original firmware for the n910k in case if this fails, you would be able to fall back to the original firmware.
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thankyou so much for your help il get on to it in a day or 2 and il let you know how i went

G900F Rom Recommendation

Hi,
I have a G900F I got in the UK and I've just moved to Canada with. Problem is it doesn't support some of the bands here so I find I often have a poor signal. I'm happy with the stock ROM but I believe if I am to open it up for all bands I need a custom ROM.
I don't need anything too flashy, but I'd like everything to work and be responsive.
In terms of the most complete ROMs it seems LineageOS Official and Resurrection Remixed are the most popular. Can anyone comment? How about Android 6 vs 7?
Thanks
Used to use resurrection but now that I've moved to lineage os I can say that its better and getting improved every update it gets
Beaksterboy said:
Hi,
I have a G900F I got in the UK and I've just moved to Canada with. Problem is it doesn't support some of the bands here so I find I often have a poor signal. I'm happy with the stock ROM but I believe if I am to open it up for all bands I need a custom ROM.
I don't need anything too flashy, but I'd like everything to work and be responsive.
In terms of the most complete ROMs it seems LineageOS Official and Resurrection Remixed are the most popular. Can anyone comment? How about Android 6 vs 7?
Thanks
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g900f is almost identical if not the exact same as the canadian s5 g900w8.
you would need to use correct freq for your carrier, search will provide a howto. worse case scenario is to flash a canadian 6.0.1 modem from any canadian 6.0.1 stock fw
if trying to figure out connectivity, stay w/stock first as modems are from stock fw.
imo try superlite 6.0.1, it stock based and only takes a few minutes to install that way you can test out your carrier connectivity issues
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...-superlite-mini-mm-v1-0-361mb-g900w8-t3497158
So I can keep my stock firmware and just replace the G900F baseband (G900FXXS1CQAV) with the Bell Canada SM-G900W8 Modem and everything will be the same except the phone will work on the Bell Canada frequencies?
I had been planning to follow this guide: https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/general/how-to-add-rf-lte-frequency-bands-to-t2886059 to enable the 1700MHz band which is disabled on the G900F, but if flashing a Canadian modem will enable this band that sounds easiest.
Do I need to download the full 1.5GB firmware and extract the modem from it?
Thanks
Beaksterboy said:
So I can keep my stock firmware and just replace the G900F baseband (G900FXXS1CQAV) with the Bell Canada SM-G900W8 Modem and everything will be the same except the phone will work on the Bell Canada frequencies?
I had been planning to follow this guide: https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/general/how-to-add-rf-lte-frequency-bands-to-t2886059 to enable the 1700MHz band which is disabled on the G900F, but if flashing a Canadian modem will enable this band that sounds easiest.
Do I need to download the full 1.5GB firmware and extract the modem from it?
Thanks
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ive never tried flashing a mdm from another model as ive never needed to for the s5.
ive not read enough to know if its possible or if it has any neg consequences.
easiest would be to change freq w/current mdm, search for samsung secret service codes to view and maybe change current freq
good place to start is here https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2729694
I've done a lot of research on this forum. Most people say that installing G900W8 firmware on G900F isn't possible. Also it seems that it is the NVRAM which stores what bands are allowed on what model, so simply flashing a different modem won't make a difference.
Some people are saying that the hardware is different and this is what limits the bands, but I don't believe so, the radio/modem chip is the same version between models.
Trying to follow the link I posted earlier to change the NVRAM values after installing a custom ROM appears to be the only way. Some people say it works, and others say it only appears to work. The original thread was closed years ago so I guess I'll just need to try it and see.
Alternatively I could buy 2 phones, one W8 to use in Canada and a F to use in Europe, this seems silly though.

Installing NON-AT&T FW on SM-J320A... Possible?

I have the SM-J320A, AT&T version, and now being used outside the USA. Specs on GSMArena indicate that this phone is one of the versions of the J3 2016 family: J320FN (Europe); J320F (EMEA); J320F/DD (India); J320A (AT&T); J320P (Sprint, Virgin Mobile, Boost); Galaxy Amp Prime (Cricket); Galaxy J3 V (Verizon); J320M (LATAM); J320G (Asia).
1. So does this mean all these versions are identical in Hardware?
If there is no other option, I will install the AT&T newest version, however I would prefer to see if it's possible to use a non-AT&T FW so I can get monthly updates. So...
2. Can anyone tell me if it's possible to put a NON-AT&T 'open' version stock FW on the SM-J320A... and I would then be able to receive the security updates direct from Samsung...
Hope what I am asking is clear.
Robert
The j320 model has three different soc. The j320a is exynos based. The different exynos models are J320a, j320ag, j320az & j320w8.
But with this device only the carriers supply updates, unfortunately.
Not sure if it's an option, but I activated an att sim for their prepaid service (25¢ per minute or something)... Will never use the $10 I spent for the service, but I can update ota now.
Other than that keep your eyes here, we try to keep the latest firmwares available for download.
DamienMc said:
The j320 model has three different soc. The j320a is exynos based. The different exynos models are J320a, j320ag, j320az & j320w8.
But with this device only the carriers supply updates, unfortunately.
Not sure if it's an option, but I activated an att sim for their prepaid service (25¢ per minute or something)... Will never use the $10 I spent for the service, but I can update ota now.
Other than that keep your eyes here, we try to keep the latest firmwares available for download.
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That's the best answer I've had on a forum... That makes it clear. So since I cannot really do what I was asking, no problem, I am willing to install the AT&T 7.1.1 version J320AUCU2AQI5. Only issue now is that as said, the phone is in use outside the US currently so cannot get the OTA DL. Is there any way or source to DL the full stock firmware for flash via Odin? Would prefer fully stock version with no rooting, etc.... I have a Macbook Pro for the flashing if it makes any diff.
Robert
Maybe this is what I'm looking for...
https://mega.nz/#!Xl4CiZZA!wXRCOHvyyHkcjq0jke47aTVFAMc6s0vxGG6loM-8zUc
??
Yessir
That's the most current j320a firmware
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Yessir
That's the most current j320a firmware
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Ok thanks again...
Is that completely stock and flashes with Odin?
Any other special instructions needed to flash?
Just asking as it seems there is a lot of discussion on the entire thread and I'm not sure which issues are coming with which downloads.
Robert
Any issues where addressed.
Yes 100% stock.
Nothing special just load all four files in odin and flash it
Forgive me if I sound like a real dingba5, but I can't control myself from asking this. I have developed what can only be described as an unexplainable and illogical obsession with altering my Galaxy Express 2 SM-J327A 's factory condition. From what I know, there's no custom recovery, no ROM, no ROOT. NOTHING for this model. But the Sprint, Boost, etc. variants are all living it up in zip flashing heaven.
So using the same logic my man was using here, which was making sense, could I flash J327P firmware onto my device without ruining my day......

[SM-J5108] Convert my J5 SM-J5108 to a more usable version ? (510F ?)

Hello,
My title may not be very cler but I can't find any custom ROMs for my device the J5 SM-J5108CHM (J5 China Mobile version) I can find official firmware but I just hate the interface, I found a really good-looking ROM (VIperOS) but it was for another variant of the phone.
So my question is : can I convert this phone to some other variant with same specs ? Thanks in advance
I've got the same question but no one seems to go to this thread if anyone has an answer to this that would be very appreciated. the j5108 seems to have all the same specs as the other variants so it should work but I'm not taking any risks because this is my everyday phone.
also the china mobile os is complete rubbish use this one (im a new user so i cant post link but just search up updato (dot) com, go to search bar and search j5108, in teh filters bar up top choose hong kong and press update under the search bar)
First, install any lollipop update (if you skip straight to marshmallow you'll end up in a bootloop), and then install either OTA update (it keeps failing for people but its good if you don't want to use Odin again) or you can download the marshmallow os after you install lollipop (make sure to NOT do a factory reset etc you'll end up in a boot loop). Install MM os and boom GAPPS and everything else you'll need.
jeff the cheff's left nut said:
I've got the same question but no one seems to go to this thread if anyone has an answer to this that would be very appreciated. the j5108 seems to have all the same specs as the other variants so it should work but I'm not taking any risks because this is my everyday phone.
also the china mobile os is complete rubbish use this one (im a new user so i cant post link but just search up updato (dot) com, go to search bar and search j5108, in teh filters bar up top choose hong kong and press update under the search bar)
First, install any lollipop update (if you skip straight to marshmallow you'll end up in a bootloop), and then install either OTA update (it keeps failing for people but its good if you don't want to use Odin again) or you can download the marshmallow os after you install lollipop (make sure to NOT do a factory reset etc you'll end up in a boot loop). Install MM os and boom GAPPS and everything else you'll need.
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You can't. Its a different phone. Maybe you think because it says J5 chinese version that its the same thing, just different model number. There are reasons why ot has a different model number, baseband, etc... Its like you have the Samsung Galaxy S2 with exynos and the American one with SD. They are both S2, but totaly different phones.
does xda have a word cap or did my other post not post because it was long or is the image verification a post-verification. anyway, i was saying that all the j5 2016 variants are exactly the same which in theory would allow any model's OS to work on any variant. S2 isn't a great comparison because different models have different hardware while j5 2016 has different models with identical hardware. Just search up j5108 specs and j510x specs and they'll all be the same ill post back in a few weeks when I get a new battery and test out different OS (rn I'm using the stock hong kong OS). I'll try OS for different PDAs and then ill try out different models. Btw all the spec sites say the variants are compatible with Australia so I shouldn't have a problem using different models OS in Australia (meaning 4G, wifi, phone numbers etc should be fine).
Also please explain in more depth why j5 2016 variants are so different to the point that they have different model numbers (i know that sounds passive aggressive and pretend it isn't I honestly want to know). I'm super sorry if I sound like an arrogant **** that wants everything his way but the way the j5 2016 models are made they all seem identical and logically (and in theory) the other variants OS should work on the j5108. if for some reason I cant see my first reply but others can I'm so sorry for this post.
jeff the cheff's left nut said:
does xda have a word cap or did my other post not post because it was long or is the image verification a post-verification. anyway, i was saying that all the j5 2016 variants are exactly the same which in theory would allow any model's OS to work on any variant. S2 isn't a great comparison because different models have different hardware while j5 2016 has different models with identical hardware. Just search up j5108 specs and j510x specs and they'll all be the same ill post back in a few weeks when I get a new battery and test out different OS (rn I'm using the stock hong kong OS). I'll try OS for different PDAs and then ill try out different models. Btw all the spec sites say the variants are compatible with Australia so I shouldn't have a problem using different models OS in Australia (meaning 4G, wifi, phone numbers etc should be fine).
Also please explain in more depth why j5 2016 variants are so different to the point that they have different model numbers (i know that sounds passive aggressive and pretend it isn't I honestly want to know). I'm super sorry if I sound like an arrogant **** that wants everything his way but the way the j5 2016 models are made they all seem identical and logically (and in theory) the other variants OS should work on the j5108. if for some reason I cant see my first reply but others can I'm so sorry for this post.
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Phones today can have the same harware, same SoC, same RAM, same everything, even the same RIL preferences, but they are different models. The whole stock software was made for a specific device model. The J510FN is different than the J510H, if there was no difference why would Samsung bother to make many versions? The whole operating system, every part of it: Kernel, Apps, Recovery, Hal, Bootloader are mannualy made for a specific model number. Because of that it is hard to make a ROM that supports all of the phones in one Samsung model family lineup. You see now that by pure logic the j508 is very different from the J510FN

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