Back in March, Replicant developers revealed a backdoor in the Samsung Galaxy application processor that lets the modem perform I/O operations on the device's storage.
(There was one security researcher who claimed on Ars Technica there was no evidence that the backdoor was used; Replicant's developers have responded to that here and here.)
Anyway, any progress on Galaxy S5 ROMs that use Replicant's replacement library, which won't collaborate with the backdoor, whether it's been used or not?
CC @Leigh Kennedy, @a2441918, @elelinux, @optx, @firebird11, @albinoman887, @kornfed, @ks3rv3rg, @BeansTown106, @tp2215, @edgarf28, @keysoh2, @AxAtAx
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@Leigh Kennedy, @a2441918, @elelinux, @optx, @firebird11, @albinoman887, @kornfed, @ks3rv3rg, @BeansTown106, @tp2215, @edgarf28, @keysoh2, @AxAtAx, Denis "GNUtoo" Carikli and Paul Kocialkowski where you at?
Security holes like this effect the community as a whole. I have no doubt this an intentional flaw brought to us all by the Auroragold mission. Whats it going to take for this type of lunacy to stop, a figurehead's child's phone getting hacked by a malicious actor, or terrorist? Because it's only a matter of time before that exact threat is a damning reality, & Samsung will be left holding the bag. This flaw has been an open wound for me ever since I first read Paul Kocialkowski's report in February. The issue has been burred for way too long; on behalf of devs, users, people who don't want to know, and the ones that just wont ever get it, I demand a full community based effort to KILL THIS BUG. This is why were all here right? On XDA, we help one and other learn, as well as help ourselves to use our personal devices better, and soon, safer. But if we are not making a strong enough effort to get what we require as basic device security, why use one at all?
".....because once NSA introduces a weakness, a vulnerability, it’s not only the NSA that can exploit it". -Karsten Nohl
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@Leigh Kennedy, @a2441918, @elelinux, @optx, @firebird11, @albinoman887, @kornfed, @ks3rv3rg, @BeansTown106, @tp2215, @edgarf28, @keysoh2, @AxAtAx, Denis "GNUtoo" Carikli and Paul Kocialkowski where you at?
I demand a full community based effort to KILL THIS BUG. This is why were all here right?
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If that's the reason you are here, do something about it, instead of 'demanding' someone else doing it for you.
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If that's the reason you are here, do something about it, instead of 'demanding' someone else doing it for you.
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Thank you for your input. I mentor felons and teach them to use linux, windows, and android, essentally building a small army of informed individuals, teaching others to teach others. Sooo congrads for calling me out! And thanks for editing my statement to make me look silly.
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Thank you for your input. I mentor felons and teach them to use linux, windows, and android. Sooo congrads for calling me out!
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Good, take the lead, we are all very excited about your efforts.
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Good, take the lead, we are all very excited about your efforts.
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Whats your deal with me man? If you love these flaws, please please please continue to berate/belittle/troll me. I didnt deliberately make your phone work against you, hate on someone who deserves your hate. If you are such a narcissist that you cant see that your higher skill set will aid with RESOLVING the problem, please gtfo the away. Use your anger on some one else. Because in the real world I'm the scariest thing on the street, here, you are. Now that **** measuring competition has completed, what can we do as a community to resolve this important security issue?
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Good question and nice of you to bring this up. I think people don't give these matters enough attention.
I mean you can play pretend with your "encrypted" & "selinux secure" device as much as you want but there's no sense to it if the hardware is hardwired to spy on you.
This is an active backdoor
Six months later...
Is this backdoor still not fixed by current ROMs?
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Just a thought... is it possible that we (XDA) could get a member of the OHA such as HTC (knowing they have a wiki already and are majorly banking on Android) or another vendor to "open a space" on their official wiki for us to host our ROM's? Something that has a clause in the membership stating that we agree that they have the right to incorporate anything that they want out of the developed ROM's into their own build and we get access to legally redistribute the Google apps as we are "members" of the vendor's development/testing team. Knowing the spirit of this community and the truly open attitude it supports I am sure this would be something that you all would be happy to agree with. This would protect the developers that have spent so much time making Android amazing and give the vendor an amazing "think tank" in action. This would basically give them hundreds or thousands of developers at no cost all innovating for themselves but contributing to the success.
**If you are a vendor reading...Just think of the great publicity your company would get for this small investment in the Android community**
This should allow us to continue to use XDA for most of our needs but give us a "safe place" to continue innovation.
i have a feeling, htc would do the opposite and send out C&D letters to all the hero devs since they are distributing htc's close source apps such as all of its htc widgets and apps and sense ui itself.
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i have a feeling, htc would do the opposite and send out C&D letters to all the hero devs since they are distributing htc's close source apps such as all of its htc widgets and apps and sense ui itself.
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Probably so but if we sell the idea of them having so many developers working on the project for free they might just jump.
As stated by some one else (i forgot who) just because we are in the oha doesent mean we have access to the closed source we would have to license it out **if** they allow us
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As stated by some one else (i forgot who) just because we are in the oha doesent mean we have access to the closed source we would have to license it out **if** they allow us
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I recall that statement but if we where "honorary members/developers" of/for the vendor then we could fall under the shadow of their ability to develop with/distribute Google's apps for "the vendor's" development testers (us).
lock or merge please~~~~
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lock or merge please~~~~
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With what???
This is a new idea that if gotten into the right inspired hands is another possibility that shouldn't get lost in the context of the other ideas.
XDA does not host any of the roms anyway. Whether normal activities can be conducted here is not really an issue. WinMo users have been doing the same thing here for a long time, and it is far from OS. The developers who choose to post links to their roms that contain questionable content do so at their own risk.
Also if you didn't notice, they already have us as a testing/development team. They can read this forum just like the rest of us. This is probably the reason most of what is done here is overlooked by folks like HTC. Even if we are a rather large user base, compared to the total # of Android users we are still only a few. They probably see it like "oh they got ahold of the Hero image huh? Too late to complain now. Just leave 'em be and let 'em hack at it a bit. Maybe they'll see or fix something we didn't" It's the better way to handle it PR wise.
Regardless of whether they mind what the end user is doing, I doubt HTC would be very willing to jump on board & slap google like that. We should probably leave that subject alone, and be glad they aren't complaining too.
Not that this isn't a good idea. I even suggested forming a group to join the OHA so we could attempt to license the apps, and be more in the loop. Just don't think HTC will go for it.
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Do you make any other kind of posts?
At the OP this would be good idea if we could pull it off
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XDA does not host any of the roms anyway. Whether normal activities can be conducted here is not really an issue. WinMo users have been doing the same thing here for a long time, and it is far from OS. The developers who choose to post links to their roms that contain questionable content do so at their own risk.
Also if you didn't notice, they already have us as a testing/development team. They can read this forum just like the rest of us. This is probably the reason most of what is done here is overlooked by folks like HTC. Even if we are a rather large user base, compared to the total # of Android users we are still only a few. They probably see it like "oh they got ahold of the Hero image huh? Too late to complain now. Just leave 'em be and let 'em hack at it a bit. Maybe they'll see or fix something we didn't" It's the better way to handle it PR wise.
Regardless of whether they mind what the end user is doing, I doubt HTC would be very willing to jump on board & slap google like that. We should probably leave that subject alone, and be glad they aren't complaining too.
Not that this isn't a good idea. I even suggested forming a group to join the OHA so we could attempt to license the apps, and be more in the loop. Just don't think HTC will go for it.
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I have considered all of the facts you have listed which are valid points but if HTC wouldn't do it which I only used as an example some other vendor might do it. I just think that HTC is the preferred vendor as most of us use their equipment. This wouldn't be a slap to Google, it would be a way to endorse us as part of their development team.
By the way the OHA membership is a great idea. I think both options should be explored.
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Do you make any other kind of posts?
At the OP this would be good idea if we could pull it off
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Any idea which Senior Members had connections inside HTC?
I work for a carrier and the HTC rep I deal with isn't the best to go to with something like this.
Wrong forum, just because Dream Development is the most popular doesn't mean you post unrelated topics in it.
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Wrong forum, just because Dream Development is the most popular doesn't mean you post unrelated topics in it.
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So where should something like this be posted???
The idea I am trying to get out there doesn't fit into anything else as it is geared to creating an Android development resource.
Something that if it somehow works saves us all from doing what we all do already illegally.
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Wrong forum, just because Dream Development is the most popular doesn't mean you post unrelated topics in it.
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Never mind I guess. Looks like I got moved to the forum you saw fit.
Honestly, it shouldn't even be posted .
Not to be rude, but something like this would probably never work. Who all are licensing the software from Google? HTC, Samsung, maybe one or two more? These are all gigantic corporations who would laugh at it, imho.
We would have a better chance of contacting Google and asking how much they want for a license, then starting a donation drive.
Yeah I guess I could see someone stepping up to support this. All they would have to do is give permission to mod their roms. They could then look like the good guys who give their users a choice. I could see it now "Don't like our stock build of Android? Try one of these, or make your own." Now that would be the move to make for one of these companies who claim their phones are all about being "user customizable"
We would have a better chance of contacting Google and asking how much they want for a license, then starting a donation drive.
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This stands a way better chance than the other option though.
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Honestly, it shouldn't even be posted .
Not to be rude, but something like this would probably never work. Who all are licensing the software from Google? HTC, Samsung, maybe one or two more? These are all gigantic corporations who would laugh at it, imho.
We would have a better chance of contacting Google and asking how much they want for a license, then starting a donation drive.
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I don't disagree that we should gun for a license but like I said previously I work for a carrier and I believe they would go for something like this but I figure that a vendor would be a more likely target.
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Yeah I guess I could see someone stepping up to support this. All they would have to do is give permission to mod their roms. They could then look like the good guys who give their users a choice. I could see it now "Don't like our stock build of Android? Try one of these, or make your own." Now that would be the move to make for one of these companies who claim their phones are all about being "user customizable"
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You nailed it on the head!!! Thank you for "getting it". Now the question is how to get this idea beyond XDA
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Yeah I guess I could see someone stepping up to support this. All they would have to do is give permission to mod their roms. They could then look like the good guys who give their users a choice. I could see it now "Don't like our stock build of Android? Try one of these, or make your own." Now that would be the move to make for one of these companies who claim their phones are all about being "user customizable"
This stands a way better chance than the other option though.
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It'd require more effort from the vendor. They would have to be the ones distributing the ROMs to users, not us.
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I don't disagree that we should gun for a license but like I said previously I work for a carrier and I believe they would go for something like this but I figure that a vendor would be a more likely target.
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I doubt the carriers would have the license to distribute the software. Since it's essentially the vendor who installs the proprietary apps on them, I don't see the point to carriers having it.
And all of this is ignoring the fact that we don't even know the terms of the contract/license. It could very well be against the terms of either to do something like this.
A lot of carriers, and manufacturers have someone doing PR on most of the major social networks. Maybe you should try shooting some of them a line and see where it leads. Might at least get the message to someone who can get something like this worked out.
I hope this isn't prohibited by forum rules - if it is, please notify me and I will request that the thread be closed.
Problem is, I'm not a developer. I would love to be one, but I've tried my hand at it in the past and am old enough to know my limitations...coding is one of them.
I'm looking for someone with app development experience who would be willing to develop my idea into an app in exchange for some equity in the finished product.
If you know how to develop apps, are looking for an interesting app to develop, and would consider investing development work for equity, please PM me.
Thanks, and I hope this post does not offend anyone or break any rules.
If you state your idea, you're more likely to get a response.
I get the impression the OP thinks their idea is too valuable to be publicly disclosed. I'd be surprised if anyone took up such an offer - essentially they get to do all the work in return for the idea & 'some equity' in the finished product. Even if you could first establish you have a history of creating marketable ideas I'd not rate your chances.
If someone has a project they want implementing they're more than likely going to need to offer a fee, not merely a percentage. Sites such as Elance provide a means to match up projects with programmers - btw I have no connection to them; I just googled android project proposals bids.
In any case, if you have no money to finance such a project, you probably won't even have the resources to draw up a legally binding contract, so good luck enforcing any arrangements you might come up with.
TBH the OP's best bet is either learn to code & do it themself, or as atolar suggests, make the idea public & hope if anyone bothers with the idea that they're willing to let them have a (small) share of any resulting equity.
[Edit:] BTW I'd be interested to be proved wrong. If the OP finds someone willing to carry out their work, I hope they'll let us know.
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I get the impression the OP thinks their idea is too valuable to be publicly disclosed. I'd be surprised if anyone took up such an offer - essentially they get to do all the work in return for the idea & 'some equity' in the finished product. Even if you could first establish you have a history of creating marketable ideas I'd not rate your chances.
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I don't mean to come across that way. Understand that the one person who replied got the full idea without any sort of upfront requirements.
If someone has a project they want implementing they're more than likely going to need to offer a fee, not merely a percentage. Sites such as Elance provide a means to match up projects with programmers - btw I have no connection to them; I just googled android project proposals bids.
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I've paid for development projects before, and understand the industry. But I have to look at other options for this idea. I've hired people looking for development experience in the past, some of whom were willing to take a stake in the idea...just thought I'd float it here.
In any case, if you have no money to finance such a project, you probably won't even have the resources to draw up a legally binding contract, so good luck enforcing any arrangements you might come up with.
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Luckily (or unluckily haha), I'm a lawyer, so I have the transactional stuff covered.
TBH the OP's best bet is either learn to code & do it themself, or as atolar suggests, make the idea public & hope if anyone bothers with the idea that they're willing to let them have a (small) share of any resulting equity.
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I wish I could learn code - unfortunately I spent 7 years learning a completely different field of study, and am too old and not nearly smart enough to pick up coding in any way that would produce quality software. I've tried, and had to be honest with myself and admit that coding is not tailored for a brain like mine.
[Edit:] BTW I'd be interested to be proved wrong. If the OP finds someone willing to carry out their work, I hope they'll let us know.
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Only one person has replied, and he felt that he didn't have the experience to execute the idea. You sound as if you are experience with android - I'd be happy to PM you with the idea so that you can at least tell me if it's something worth pursuing. Willing to hear the idea out and provide some feedback?
Thanks, and take care.
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Luckily (or unluckily haha), I'm a lawyer, so I have the transactional stuff covered.
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Lol, that is fortunate. I'm sure you'll appreciate the mess someone less experienced could get into.
Only one person has replied, and he felt that he didn't have the experience to execute the idea. You sound as if you are experience with android - I'd be happy to PM you with the idea so that you can at least tell me if it's something worth pursuing. Willing to hear the idea out and provide some feedback?
Thanks, and take care.
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Thanks for the detailed reply. It's always interesting to read of others' experience & involvement in development. Alas I'm not an experienced Android dev myself, though I do have a background in programming (mostly C, going back a couple of decades, but nothing recent).
I've only started to get interested in Android since buying an HTC Hero about a month ago. It is an appealing platform though; I plan on brushing up my somewhat lacking Java skills & dabbling a little but it will be a good while before I'm up to speed.
I hope you find someone who can take your ideas further forward & that if you do, you'll let us know how it goes. Feel free to PM me if you still feel my feedback might be of use to you. Either way, best of luck
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I hope you find someone who can take your ideas further forward & that if you do, you'll let us know how it goes. Feel free to PM me if you still feel my feedback might be of use to you. Either way, best of luck
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Someone has offered to take on the project. I will update with development progress and information as I get it.
Thanks for the interest folks!
Hey everyone, being as this is a webcast about Android Development I'm not sure if it belongs here or in "General" so Mods please move it if you think it doesn't belong.
Anyway, lets get on the AT&T webcast tomorrow and bug them about bootloader access, you do have to register to participate but it's easy enough. It begins at 11AM PST and says it is an hour long. You need Microsoft Office Live Meeting (or you could call in) but it's free to download.
http://developer.att.com/developer/forward.jsp?passedItemId=5300338
I fully realize that this may be a futile action but in my experience persistence pays off and I'm not done bothering them quite yet, maybe 6 months down the road if they still aren't doing anything for us I'll give, but not yet!
Aside: I'm assuming that since this uses full featured meeting software there will be an opportunity to ask questions.
Awesome! Yes, please do! It worked for HSUPA, it is worth a shot.
...why would you bug AT&T about a Motorola device? Waste of effort.
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...why would you bug AT&T about a Motorola device? Waste of effort.
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Presenters:
Greg Wilson, Technology Evangelist, Motorola Mobility
Greg is a Technology Evangelist at Motorola Mobility, helping developers to create the best possible Android applications. Prior to joining Motorola, Greg was at Palm (and its various incarnations) doing similar work for the Palm OS developer community. Greg has been programming since the early days of the microcomputer, and has written software for programmable calculators, IBM mainframes, and an assortment of microprocessor architectures and microcomputer operating systems.
Peter van der Linden, Technology Evangelist, Motorola Mobility
Peter is the Android Technology Evangelist within the Developer Tools and Technical Services team at Motorola. He is not afraid of bugs, and has a collection of several prize bugs (software only).
They work for Motorola.
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Hey everyone, being as this is a webcast about Android Development I'm not sure if it belongs here or in "General" so Mods please move it if you think it doesn't belong.
Anyway, lets get on the AT&T webcast tomorrow and bug them about bootloader access, you do have to register to participate but it's easy enough. It begins at 11AM PST and says it is an hour long. You need Microsoft Office Live Meeting (or you could call in) but it's free to download.
http://developer.att.com/developer/forward.jsp?passedItemId=5300338
I fully realize that this may be a futile action but in my experience persistence pays off and I'm not done bothering them quite yet, maybe 6 months down the road if they still aren't doing anything for us I'll give, but not yet!
Aside: I'm assuming that since this uses full featured meeting software there will be an opportunity to ask questions.
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Make sure to point out the number of people that want this.
http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
I'm not going to be able to watch and partcipate for this. I would like if someone could record this conference.
Thanks.
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...why would you bug AT&T about a Motorola device? Waste of effort.
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Because AT&T is behind 99pct of the problems with the Atrix:
- No Side Loading - AT&T
- Reduced Speeds - AT&T
- No Root Access - AT&T
Motorola made it pretty clear pre-release they wanted to open up the bootloader, AT&T obviously shut that down.
maybe they will give us the key for the bootloader, probably not, however its a good place to voice our concern
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maybe they will give us the key for the bootloader, probably not, however its a good place to voice our concern
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I doubt it. I asked in their MotoDev forum.
http://community.developer.motorola...trix-App-summit-on-March-29th-2011/td-p/12350
I'm not sure if it would actually do us any good, but I mean i guess it would be worth a try. Who is all gunna be the conference tomorrow??
I think (When it comes to their "bootloader solution") what they meant to say was "We do what we think is right when it comes to working with devs and customers, and will continue to do so in the future". And, what everyone took that to mean was "THEY ARE GONNA UNLOCK THE BOOTLOADER FOR US". I'm not saying I agree AT ALL, I just sometimes try to look at it from both sides.
I definitely want this thing unlocked, but I'm not counting on Moto to do too much about it. Not to say opinions shouldn't be voiced!
No one should be blaming ATT for the locked bootloader. Motorola's Droids (except for OG Droid) all have been locked down and they are on Verizon's network. Feel free to blame ATT for upload speeds, fake 4G, no sideloading, global warming, etc...
The Motorola employee that's going to be there is an application developer. He's unlikely to know anything about, much less have an answer for, anything about the bootloader. Harassing employees makes the entire community look bad and childish. If you have a REAL problem with it, other than bandwagon hatred for something a lot of you clearly don't understand, follow the appropriate channels. Lawyer up and file a formal complaint. Harassing them over the internet won't get you anywhere. If you REALLY believe that it's changed anything so far, I'm sorry you're that ignorant.
All the whining and harassing got nowhere, but when a thought out, well written petition was put into place and formal requests were made, look what happened: Motorola released their source. They didn't do it to "appease the masses", or to "shut us up." They did it because the proper channels were followed and they honored that. You have to understand that the amount of people who want the bootloader unlocked is a very, VERY small portion of their total userbase. It's entirely ignorant to claim that everyone wants this. Motorola isn't some evil overlord who wants their users to hate them. They're a business. Do you honestly think they'll care if a few hundred users out of the hundreds of thousands they have leave over the bootloader being locked? Unlikely. They've recognized the issue, and have announced they will have a solution for developers soon, which is more than they're even obligated to do in the first place. They don't owe you anything, having such an entitled attitude is hurtful to the entire process. Be patient.
I mean no disrespect to anyone in particular, so please, be respectful and mature of the situation. If you don't like it, that's fine, voice your opinion respectfully.
I second Ririal. Those two that are going to be presenting tomorrow are evangelists, and are going to be pretty in the dark about the situation.
I think the chat will be very interesting. Devs being there should be good for a prediction on where Moto plans to take the Atrix... wonder if we can ask questions in a round about way to see if they slip on how they unlock the bootloader to develop on the phone... lol yea I know wishful thinking this isn't a cartoon or movie lol but one can dream... I'll try and make the chat and see if I can record it for you guys
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I have school at that time but can someone do me a favour and bug them about his.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=980047
Its common with half the people that unlocked the Atrix.
I have a meeting tomorrow and can't participate in the webcast.
However, would somebody _please_ tell them that there are companies out there who really want to develop applications for the webtop.
I have the go-ahead at work to port our primary Linux/X Windows application to the webtop on the Atrix, but cannot move forward so long as hacking/rooting the device is necessary. We can only develop using officially authorized channels.
Thanks in advance for anyone who can bring this up to them.
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The Motorola employee that's going to be there is an application developer. He's unlikely to know anything about, much less have an answer for, anything about the bootloader. Harassing employees makes the entire community look bad and childish. If you have a REAL problem with it, other than bandwagon hatred for something a lot of you clearly don't understand, follow the appropriate channels. Lawyer up and file a formal complaint. Harassing them over the internet won't get you anywhere. If you REALLY believe that it's changed anything so far, I'm sorry you're that ignorant.
All the whining and harassing got nowhere, but when a thought out, well written petition was put into place and formal requests were made, look what happened: Motorola released their source. They didn't do it to "appease the masses", or to "shut us up." They did it because the proper channels were followed and they honored that. You have to understand that the amount of people who want the bootloader unlocked is a very, VERY small portion of their total userbase. It's entirely ignorant to claim that everyone wants this. Motorola isn't some evil overlord who wants their users to hate them. They're a business. Do you honestly think they'll care if a few hundred users out of the hundreds of thousands they have leave over the bootloader being locked? Unlikely. They've recognized the issue, and have announced they will have a solution for developers soon, which is more than they're even obligated to do in the first place. They don't owe you anything, having such an entitled attitude is hurtful to the entire process. Be patient.
I mean no disrespect to anyone in particular, so please, be respectful and mature of the situation. If you don't like it, that's fine, voice your opinion respectfully.
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Agreed Ririal.
The petition I've started doesn't actually complain about anything, it asks for an announcement at the very least. Just something for Developers to be hopeful for. It also just requests an option for Developers not for everyone.
We are working very hard to follow the right channels on the topic and generate positive support to show Motorola that there is an enthusiastic user-base out there.
http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
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Agreed Ririal.
The petition I've started doesn't actually complain about anything, it asks for an announcement at the very least. Just something for Developers to be hopeful for. It also just requests an option for Developers not for everyone.
We are working very hard to follow the right channels on the topic and generate positive support to show Motorola that there is an enthusiastic user-base out there.
http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
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Absolutely. I saw your petition and have signed it. I'd love to see them, at the very least, give us an answer. We may not like it, but at least we'd have one instead of empty promises right now. No need to get upset about it, though
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I have a meeting tomorrow and can't participate in the webcast.
However, would somebody _please_ tell them that there are companies out there who really want to develop applications for the webtop.
I have the go-ahead at work to port our primary Linux/X Windows application to the webtop on the Atrix, but cannot move forward so long as hacking/rooting the device is necessary. We can only develop using officially authorized channels.
Thanks in advance for anyone who can bring this up to them.
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THIS THIS
Being able to create/load webtop apps would be an awesome feature that would turn the webtop from an interesting sideshow to a must-have.
I am hesitant to spend anything on the lapdock because I don't think it would be much more useful than the phone itself. If I could throw OpenOffice down on there or something using apt-get then I would totally buy it.
I understand that Moto might want to control the user experience, as nobody is going to be doing any high-powered computation or gaming on it, but third-party apps would be really neat.
I just hope this is the right place to post this, as I do not intend to misuse this forum, it has been very helpful to me over the past few years and I love seeing what yall come out with. That being said here is what I am proposing.
I am looking for some people who know how to build apps for android. As well apps for windows. ( pick whatever programing language you like we just need it to work) I can not pay anyone, but if a small team of people will join me and help get my ideas built as a team I believe we will become successful in the first prototype of what will be the future of cell phones.
I don't get to check the forum often so please reach me via email [email protected]
thank you all for taking the time to read this.
When you say "apps for windows" are you suggesting applications for Windows Phone OS or Windows OS (as in the OS that runs on PCs)?
People will find it hard to work without getting paid and they definitely don't want to work on an idea without getting paid that wont take off so I suggest you give some hints about what your idea is to let people make a better decision?
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Thanks for the response, and I should have clarified that. Sorry. I was referring to Windows os for pc. I can completely understand people not wanting to work for free as what I am asking I imagine will be quite some work and most likely quite a bit of testing. I have to admit I am apprehensive about just laying any part of my idea out there but for the sake of giving everyone a vague idea of what I have in mind ( please forgive grammar and spelling at this point) is google glass but trust me when I say far better then google. and for now we aren't even building the "phone part" the app on both the phone and its counterpart on the pc should be generic in the sense that any android phone & windows pc user can use the prototype once it is done. Then we shop it around with the concept for the new phone. anyone willing to know more please just shoot me an email. I realize yall don't know what it is yet but I am convinced if made this product would make those involved if not as big as google then pretty close (maybe not in terms of there money but in terms on the name)
Brand is everything.
You could ask here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2349036
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You could ask here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2349036
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Thank you for the feedback. I will be checking it out.
A developer, looking for collaboraion
Hi Guys,
I am a long time developer for Android, iOS, BB etc with bunch of apps on the app stores, some dead on arrival, some successful, nothing like the next Bill Gates tho . Apps development is side job for me "for now", I am sure you know the feeling.
I guess what I am looking for here is somewhat the opposite to most of the posts here, where folks with amazing ideas looking for developers to "just make it happen". I have bunch of ideas, as well! (too many to count some for apps and some for other areas - chemistry, physics etc). I am looking for *developers* to work and collaborate, basically to brain storm and run through their ideas and my ideas, take our time to proper research and figure out business model, patents etc, maybe throw few baits in apps stores and see where it's going.
My thinking is that if bunch of us developers get together we stand a chance, I find it close to impossible to do it alone..
Of course we can sign all NDAs required etc to make everyone happy. I hope I did not violate any written or conceptual guidelines here.. please feel free to contact me, [email protected]
Thanks!
Udi
udihamudi said:
Hi Guys,
I am a long time developer for Android, iOS, BB etc with bunch of apps on the app stores, some dead on arrival, some successful, nothing like the next Bill Gates tho . Apps development is side job for me "for now", I am sure you know the feeling.
I guess what I am looking for here is somewhat the opposite to most of the posts here, where folks with amazing ideas looking for developers to "just make it happen". I have bunch of ideas, as well! (too many to count some for apps and some for other areas - chemistry, physics etc). I am looking for *developers* to work and collaborate, basically to brain storm and run through their ideas and my ideas, take our time to proper research and figure out business model, patents etc, maybe throw few baits in apps stores and see where it's going.
My thinking is that if bunch of us developers get together we stand a chance, I find it close to impossible to do it alone..
Of course we can sign all NDAs required etc to make everyone happy. I hope I did not violate any written or conceptual guidelines here.. please feel free to contact me, [email protected]
Thanks!
Udi
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You can ask in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2349036
Another possibility would be making it open-source.
We'll be happy to make it open source when we actually get to work on something
I will be happy to make "it" open source when I finally get to work on something exciting .. need to figure out first what it is thus first step before this need to get together with some bright minds here and decide what we want to work on.. then get it to format where folks can look at and work with as open source
nikwen said:
You can ask in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2349036
Another possibility would be making it open-source.
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udihamudi said:
I will be happy to make "it" open source when I finally get to work on something exciting .. need to figure out first what it is thus first step before this need to get together with some bright minds here and decide what we want to work on.. then get it to format where folks can look at and work with as open source
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Of course, you need an idea. Check the thread I linked. You might find an idea there.
For example you could join the WidgetsEverywhere project. It's working and it's open-source.
The April Fools "prank" was immature, unprofessional, intrusive, invasive, and overall in poor taste.
I've completely removed LOS from all of my devices and have moved back to stock or alternative ROMs and refuse to support LOS from now on.
I believe the team must issue a formal apology to their long-time supports who make them who they are. This "prank" was completely foolish and unnecessary.
I initially thought you were trying to trick me into installing a crypto miner on my device.... and now I don't trust you one bit.
I'm done with LOS... but you still owe us an apology.
I can not say that I disagree with you. On a scale from 1 to 10 of smart moves, this one scored about -15 on my card. But, usually the sort of heartfelt and genuinely sincere apology you seek travels along with a remote possibility, no matter HOW remote, of redemption at some point in the future. One does not have to forget in order to forgive. An apology to the scorched earth? What would be the point? It also appears that you have been with CM since older times, so did you feel the same sense of rage at THEIR 01 April pranks? And yes, we might be comparing apples and oranges in terms of the severity of the "dumbness" involved, but if I knew someone was blowing me off for all time I would be less inclined to worry about issuing an apology to them. If they want people to support them going forward (and with close to 2,000,000 active installs, any one of us is probably worth about as much as snail turd on the ocean floor) maybe it is time for the LOS user base to say "enough is enough." And who , knows, maybe they will just go away and leave all of us alone, but I hope not.
Can we still trust in the concept of open source? The prank code has been reviewed in a public visible process. Why hasn't there been a warning in forums and social media?
Monthly payment https://www.paypal.me/LineageOS removed.
In a word, yes we can .....
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Can we still trust in the concept of open source? The prank code has been reviewed in a public visible process. Why hasn't there been a warning in forums and social media?
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Like many others viewing and posting here, I found the Lineage 01 April "joke" to be, at best, sub-optimal. But let us not "throw the baby out with the bath water." Please consider the following: ALL of the individuals who have viewed the XDA forum postings about this constitute well less than 1% of the installed base of active builds of LOS. Apparently, the other 99% is either blissfully unaware of what some of us perceive as a world threatening problem or they just don't give a rip. Any one individual, no matter how prestigious within this circle, isn't worth 2,000,000 users with respect to the weight of their opinion. If the LOS 01 April build "joke" had simply gone through the display of some dumb messages, informed the user it was a joke, then politely self-destructed, we would all be applauding the LOS Team for being so clever. So what we really have here is a coding error accompanied by (hopefully, and I believe this to be the case) no malicious intent. I can not and would not DARE to speak for everyone else looking at this, but God knows I have made my share of coding errors over the past few decades. If we tar and feather every programmer who makes a mistake, or does something we disapprove of, we will shortly run out of programmers, since ALL of us have failed at some point along the way if we are willing to be HONEST with ourselves. NOW, should the Lineage OS user base politely suggest that "enough is enough" with respect to April fools' jokes? Perhaps so. I politely suggest to the LOS Team that they post a survey for interested parties to respond to, and consider the responses accordingly.
Also, it doesn't matter if the code was publicly reviewable, since you can't necessarily trust or inspect every part of the rom or OTA infrastructure (might have been a hijacked download etc.).
This was in extremely poor taste. For me to remove the message, I have to root my device and install a terminal emulator or editor with access to the root file system.
Imagine I installed LineageOS on a friend's phone (perfect example: my mother). How freaked out would she be and ever trust her phone again? How would you expect her to fix this? This wasn't funny, especially in a time like this, where there is security breaches, malicious crypo miners and other problems all over the place.
I don't see how a formal apology would benefit anybody, but since the original thread was closed, I want to point out that this should never be repeated and people's privacy should be respected.
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eViLsTieFel said:
Also, it doesn't matter if the code was publicly reviewable, since you can't necessarily trust or inspect every part of the rom or OTA infrastructure (might have been a hijacked download etc.).
This was in extremely poor taste. For me to remove the message, I have to root my device and install a terminal emulator or editor with access to the root file system.
Imagine I installed LineageOS on a friend's phone (perfect example: my mother). How freaked out would she be and ever trust her phone again? How would you expect her to fix this? This wasn't funny, especially in a time like this, where there is security breaches, malicious crypo miners and other problems all over the place.
I don't see how a formal apology would benefit anybody, but since the original thread was closed, I want to point out that this should never be repeated and people's privacy should be respected.
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Which is precisely why the collective expression of dissatisfaction from this community (and others) must be significant and coordinated. Lots of people - self included - are not at all pleased with this whole scenario, but if all that is done is for a few people, regardless of their relative prominence, to rant it shall not make any difference. There is also that old adage that one catches more files with honey than with vinegar, so a firm but civilized expression of our collective dissatisfaction is likely to be more effective than calling for people's heads to roll.
Here it is
https://lineageos.org/An-April-Apology/
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Here it is
https://lineageos.org/An-April-Apology/
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And of course we shall now probably have the inevitable follow up ranting from those who find the apology insufficient
For MY money, I think they realized they went a bit over the line and will try to make sure that history doesn't repeat itself next year. Forget ? NO. Forgive ? YES. Fun is fun, as long as everyone understands that it is supposed to be fun, and THAT is often difficult to do. A really artistic April fools' joke would deliver the content, make itself known as such, and then gracefully self-destruct, leaving no traces and not requiring the next update to un-do it. It requires more programming talent to do it that way, but when oohs and aahs replace frowns and rants, hopefully it would be seen as worth the effort.
Back to WORK ..... :crying:
I'm happy to see an apology but this was beyond dumb. I'm surprised that much effort was made and no one realized it. I hope to see better taste from the team in the future.
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I'm happy to see an apology but this was beyond dumb. I'm surprised that much effort was made and no one realized it. I hope to see better taste from the team in the future.
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Honestly did it really harm anyone? No so y not just appreciate all the work that they do for the community and so what its one day a year y not celebrate it with something worth doing I mean so what it took effort to get rid of it they said Sry to please all those that feel wronged by a harmless prank so let it go
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Yes, that prank was in extremely bad taste, but now it's time we all moved on. I'm not going to abandon LineageOS, as I will be hurting myself a lot more than anyone else.
I do not understand the complaints of you, guys. LOS team is working hard on a great free operating system for our phones and tablets and we do not have to pay a penny for it. We should appreciate their work and not to complain about this innocent joke. LineageOS is far the best open system for Android devices and I will support it like before.
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I do not understand the complaints of you, guys. LOS team is working hard on a great free operating system for our phones and tablets and we do not have to pay a penny for it. We should appreciate their work and not to complain about this innocent joke. LineageOS is far the best open system for Android devices and I will support it like before.
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Agree and most custom ROMs are based off their hard work they do for us
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Honestly did it really harm anyone? No so y not just appreciate all the work that they do for the community and so what its one day a year y not celebrate it with something worth doing I mean so what it took effort to get rid of it they said Sry to please all those that feel wronged by a harmless prank so let it go
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Jupp, it harmed me. Maybe I am a paranoid fool, but as soon as I saw the mining-message I googled for it, didn't find anything and wiped my phone. Though I have backups it took me about eight hours to get everything up and running again, as I don't rely on the google cloud...
I do not click on any messages if there is the smallest suspect of my phone beeing hacked. So I had no chance to find out, that this was ment as an April Fools trick.
My fault was, that I did not read the changelog. But to be honest: I don't want to have to do this weekly for my phone!
Anyway, I am really thankful for the good work of the developers of lineageos, so let's get back to party and do better next time.
Am I we only one who finds that April fools are not really funny at all? I am always happy then the day is over.
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Am I we only one who finds that April fools are not really funny at all? I am always happy then the day is over.
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My local newspaper has had funny jokes. And the date is next to the joke and the next day there is a report on what was a joke and who was fooled to go to some fake event. That's OK.
It's not OK to get pranked on April 6th for a whole week.
I just figured out it was a Joke because I am behind on my updates. So I google the Joke Warning as Real or Fake? lol I'm relieved it was a joke. I don't need an apology, just a how to remove the persistent Warning. Should I connect the phone to my pc to access a terminal? I'm not particularly Tech Savvy, sorry. I run LOS and appreciate their hard work. So no complaints are justified. Thank you
Maybe @xanthrax or @SacredDeviL666 can take a look at this thread to determine if it's still needed to be open.
I believe that after the formal apology from the Lineage Team and the time since then makes for a lesson learned and time to move on to bigger and better things. :thumbup:
Thank you very much for your understanding...
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I DO NOT provide support via PM unless asked/requested by myself. PLEASE keep it in the threads where everyone can share.
Thank you all.
Let's all get got some coffee and donuts now that the team has said and accepted.
Who wants americano ? see you all there at the coffee counter :highfive: