Phone Arena's head to head comparison show that the iPhone and G3 launch apps faster. I can't believe Samsung puts in the best phone processor, but had no care for the end user of a fluid experience, and appears to have put in zero work in making touch wiz faster. Any thoughts?
If that's the case, then I'm sticking to my m8. I couldn't stand that on the note 3.
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I was running some tests on a HP Gen8 server sometime back, it was taking time and sort of freezing a few times.
It had 512GB of RAM, quite a few Xeon processors and tons of other stuffs. It was still "lagging" in many tests.
Do you think I should take this server out and put Moto X, as apparently it doesn't lag.
Samsung phones do a lot more than any other phone. There are many options that you can use in Samsung phone that you won't ever find it a simple phone. And hence there is a tradeoff. It's the law of nature. The very idea of getting a Samsung phone is that you are not getting a normal bare-bone stock device. It's has bells and whistles. It your objective is to have a phone with bare minimum features, get some other phone.
If you get a Samsung phone you might see delay of 0.5 sec for some basic thing, not that I ever care about them. Not it's for your to decide whether you are interested in that half-second of time or do you think those added functionality is more important to you. Just a simple trick like slide to call/SMS is such amazing in a Samsung device.
i cant stand my G3. note 3 didnt lag as much as this pos
Meh, it's a demo model, we don't know which processor it had in it, and it's running a pre-production unit of the new touch wiz. That, and half those tests were bunk, email on the G3 had 2 emails, the note 4 had about 100, same with Gallery. I'll wait for a real comparison before I even look at these speed tests.
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i cant stand my G3. note 3 didnt lag as much as this pos
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I agree with that. My G3 definitely has more lag than the Note 3 I had before it.
Some people say the G3 has less lag when you use the ART runtime, but I have a few apps that are not ART compatible so can't test that.
I doubt the Note 4 will be worse than the G3 in terms of lag. I'll test out when the Note is in stores. If it IS slower then I just won't buy it. Simple.
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I agree with that. My G3 definitely has more lag than the Note 3 I had before it.
Some people say the G3 has less lag when you use the ART runtime, but I have a few apps that are not ART compatible so can't test that.
I doubt the Note 4 will be worse than the G3 in terms of lag. I'll test out when the Note is in stores. If it IS slower then I just won't buy it. Simple.
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i tried art but i have xposed so you cant use it lol and if the note 4 is worse then G3 i will deal with the tiny m8 then. im sick of this. may go back to note 3 lol
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i tried art but i have xposed so you cant use it lol and if the note 4 is worse then G3 i will deal with the tiny m8 then. im sick of this. may go back to note 3 lol
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I seriously wish I would have kept my One M8 instead of going to the G3.
But I get 'new, shiny syndrome' sometimes. Lol
On the other hand I'm displeased enough with the G3 that I doubt I'll regret getting rid of it.
Ready for the Note 4 to hit stores...
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I seriously wish I would have kept my One M8 instead of going to the G3.
But I get 'new, shiny syndrome' sometimes. Lol
On the other hand I'm displeased enough with the G3 that I doubt I'll regret getting rid of it.
Ready for the Note 4 to hit stores...
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me too cant wait for note 4!!
I wish I could have waited for a note4 but my upgrade was burning a hole in my pocket and I picked up the GS5 in April. I love this phone but I want the big screen. I would gladly trade my Sprint GS5 and a Sprint GS3 for this bad boy.
Samsung finally learned to lighten up TouchWiz a bit.
My S5 is completely lag-less. At least as good as the Nexus 4 or S4 mini with CM11, i had before.
Note 4 has a higher resolution but also more power.
(Only 'lag' may be the Home button, because its waiting for a second press (S Voice) - but you can disable that.)
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Samsung finally learned to lighten up TouchWiz a bit.
My S5 is completely lag-less. At least as good as the Nexus 4 or S4 mini with CM11, i had before.
Note 4 has a higher resolution but also more power.
(Only 'lag' may be the Home button, because its waiting for a second press (S Voice) - but you can disable that.)
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i think you are the first person to like the S5 lol
No - for obvious reasons.
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i think you are the first person to like the S5 lol
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Hehe
What i 'dislike' most is the camera. Everything else is great.
The camera is not bad (and still one of the best) but its not as superior as Samsung made me / us believe.
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I was running some tests on a HP Gen8 server sometime back, it was taking time and sort of freezing a few times.
It had 512GB of RAM, quite a few Xeon processors and tons of other stuffs. It was still "lagging" in many tests.
Do you think I should take this server out and put Moto X, as apparently it doesn't lag.
Samsung phones do a lot more than any other phone. There are many options that you can use in Samsung phone that you won't ever find it a simple phone. And hence there is a tradeoff. It's the law of nature. The very idea of getting a Samsung phone is that you are not getting a normal bare-bone stock device. It's has bells and whistles. It your objective is to have a phone with bare minimum features, get some other phone.
If you get a Samsung phone you might see delay of 0.5 sec for some basic thing, not that I ever care about them. Not it's for your to decide whether you are interested in that half-second of time or do you think those added functionality is more important to you. Just a simple trick like slide to call/SMS is such amazing in a Samsung device.
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Very good explanation clarion I agree we've got a lot of users crying for that few lags on TouchWiz but nobody understands that this is not a work stopper if it is for you why is xda community building rom get your device rooted and start flashing aosp or any other tweaked tw rom
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Very good explanation clarion I agree we've got a lot of users crying for that few lags on TouchWiz but nobody understands that this is not a work stopper if it is for you why is xda community building rom get your device rooted and start flashing aosp or any other tweaked tw rom
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I have a note 2 on Verizon. I think that as an expensive premium device, even for all these "extra features" like you guys say, there is NO EXCUSE for lag! It has the absolute latest phone processor in it, and they even developed their own. What's the point if everything lags and is slow anyway?
My HTC One Max is just as fast as the M8 and MUCH faster than note 3 with metal all around not just on sides and BoomSound speakers are as good as the ones on M8 not single tiny speaker on the back like Note 4.
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I have a note 2 on Verizon. I think that as an expensive premium device, even for all these "extra features" like you guys say, there is NO EXCUSE for lag! It has the absolute latest phone processor in it, and they even developed their own. What's the point if everything lags and is slow anyway?
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I am sure you go to every thread in this community and you will find at least 1thread discussing about slow sluggish and lags.
Our human tendency is we want note never satisfied with what we've already got
Emotion Revolution coming soon on Note 4 (Aosp,Miui,Touchwiz, &Nadia kernel) I am ready to note!! Are you ???
Well I rooted my Note 3 and installed some apps like Seeder, Lag Fix and an app which auto restarts my phone once a day, closing all background apps. It has pretty much eliminated all the lag except the Gallery. For that I installed Nexus Gallery from the store. Still I may think twice before upgrading to another Samsung device.
It is being reported by users, that the TMo OTA update that is being pushed out today solves the recent apps button lag. Nice to see Samsung react to an issue and push out an update.
Now I just get to wait for AT&T to release the update and all will be good.
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I was watching some hands on videos of the S4 and was pretty disappointed to see that the interface is laggy in some areas and overall less than perfectly smooth. There's absolutely no excuse for it considering how powerful the hardware is, and shows that Samsung's priorities are all wrong (throwing in a hundred random new features but neglecting the basics of the user experience). But I've seen some comments saying those were just pre-production units. Is that just a fanboy excuse or can we really expect to see a major improvement in smoothness by launch? Is there lag on the Galaxy S3 for anyone who's owned one? UI lag is my biggest pet peeve, and that alone is making me consider the HTC One for the first time despite the S4 beating it in almost everything else.
I have noticed in some S3 vs HTC One videos, that the S3 took considerably longer time to show the homescreen when leaving an app by pressing the home button. In some videos I think I might have seen the same thing on the S4. Maybe it's TouchWiz, maybe it's just that the device is not final or so many other apps were open in the background.
Wait for reviews of final hardware.
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Samsungs Launcher software was always a master on being laggy. Especially at the first releases. But after a few updates this lags flew out.
It will be the same on the S4.
Every hands on I've seen so far seems fine to me. If there is any 'lag' going to homescreen, it's because of Touchwiz waiting for that hold or double press for voice control. (Can't remember which it is.)
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I was watching some hands on videos of the S4 and was pretty disappointed to see that the interface is laggy in some areas and overall less than perfectly smooth. There's absolutely no excuse for it considering how powerful the hardware is, and shows that Samsung's priorities are all wrong (throwing in a hundred random new features but neglecting the basics of the user experience). But I've seen some comments saying those were just pre-production units. Is that just a fanboy excuse or can we really expect to see a major improvement in smoothness by launch? Is there lag on the Galaxy S3 for anyone who's owned one? UI lag is my biggest pet peeve, and that alone is making me consider the HTC One for the first time despite the S4 beating it in almost everything else.
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Bad software to blame.
An octa-core has no excuse.
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Bad software to blame.
An octa-core has no excuse.
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Beta software to blame.
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Beta software to blame.
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my note 2 is lag free so there's absolutely no reason for the gs4 to lag with either cpu
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Every hands on I've seen so far seems fine to me. If there is any 'lag' going to homescreen, it's because of Touchwiz waiting for that hold or double press for voice control. (Can't remember which it is.)
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This is the reason, that's why the S Voice double press option gets disabled straight away
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Exactly. Thank God there are still smart people around. Its because it is beta and not final software. Samsung phones are the most fluid phones out there besides the nexus line ( jelly bean era). The S3 had many Jelly bean leaks ( 10 or more) just 2 weeks before the final version was released. The first leak was very laggy, by the 3rd it was starting to be ok, by the 7th or 8th you could feel project butter. The S IV is shipping in a month so whatever lag there is, it will probably be gone.
Samsung's fanboys wont admit it , but the SGS2/3/Note1/2/10.1 lag out of the box.
Just walk in a Staples or a BB and try a Note 10.1. It is extremely laggy.
You need to disable all the crapwares/bloatwares if you want to feel this tablet runs like an iPad.
I never understood why Samsung let their demos(out of the box devices) be so unpleasant to use.
Some are saying Google cant live without Samsung but I say a Motorola Google X available with all the carriers would remove Samsung from the number one Android phones.
Samsung need to be bumped asap
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Samsung's fanboys wont admit it , but the SGS2/3/Note1/2/10.1 lag out of the box.
Just walk in a Staples or a BB and try a Note 10.1. It is extremely laggy.
You need to disable all the crapwares/bloatwares if you want to feel this tablet runs like an iPad.
I never understood why Samsung let their demos(out of the box devices) be so unpleasant to use.
Some are saying Google cant live without Samsung but I say a Motorola Google X available with all the carriers would remove Samsung from the number one Android phones.
Samsung need to be bumped asap
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There hasn't been a good Motorola phone since the original RAZR.
It is very laggy with smart stay and smart scroll turned on. Turn them off and it is much improved.
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I was watching some hands on videos of the S4 and was pretty disappointed to see that the interface is laggy in some areas and overall less than perfectly smooth. There's absolutely no excuse for it considering how powerful the hardware is, and shows that Samsung's priorities are all wrong (throwing in a hundred random new features but neglecting the basics of the user experience). But I've seen some comments saying those were just pre-production units. Is that just a fanboy excuse or can we really expect to see a major improvement in smoothness by launch? Is there lag on the Galaxy S3 for anyone who's owned one? UI lag is my biggest pet peeve, and that alone is making me consider the HTC One for the first time despite the S4 beating it in almost everything else.
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I wouldn't judge till we saw a final production model.
Closed Source Project said:
I have noticed in some S3 vs HTC One videos, that the S3 took considerably longer time to show the homescreen when leaving an app by pressing the home button. In some videos I think I might have seen the same thing on the S4. Maybe it's TouchWiz, maybe it's just that the device is not final or so many other apps were open in the background.
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Of course it's going to lag when you hit home. You have to deactivate S Voice double tap home launch. The SGS4 is going to wait a split second or 2 to see if you hit home again to launch S Voice. Deactivate that and it would have just went home.
I did notice a little bit of lag when the phones were being demoed, but quite honestly these are pre-release models. It could be as simple as the phone not killing its tasks after it opens up 7 or 10 apps. What if the person before opened up a few browsers, the camera, gallery, flipboard, a game, etc?
Again, I'll judge when the thing actually comes out or when GSM Arena gets a hold of a final production model.
Bagbug said:
Samsung's fanboys wont admit it , but the SGS2/3/Note1/2/10.1 lag out of the box.
Just walk in a Staples or a BB and try a Note 10.1. It is extremely laggy.
You need to disable all the crapwares/bloatwares if you want to feel this tablet runs like an iPad.
I never understood why Samsung let their demos(out of the box devices) be so unpleasant to use.
Some are saying Google cant live without Samsung but I say a Motorola Google X available with all the carriers would remove Samsung from the number one Android phones.
Samsung need to be bumped asap
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Listen to this guy lol. Note 2, s3,s2 do not lag out of the box, note 1 yes when it didnt have jelly bean, dont know now. Dont know aqbout note 10.1 either. You speak like a hater, keep on hating
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Listen to this guy lol. Note 2, s3,s2 do not lag out of the box, note 1 yes when it didnt have jelly bean, dont know now. Dont know aqbout note 10.1 either. You speak like a hater, keep on hating
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The Jelly Bean update that samsung gave to the galaxy note 1 is probably the worst update I have seen. It is buggy, slow and laggy! Even after removing all the bloat taking it down to 236MB it is still laggy and slow. This is one of the reasons why I am not going to go with any sammy device, poor support and bad optimisation hardware-software wise
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The Jelly Bean update that samsung gave to the galaxy note 1 is probably the worst update I have seen. It is buggy, slow and laggy! Even after removing all the bloat taking it down to 236MB it is still laggy and slow. This is one of the reasons why I am not going to go with any sammy device, poor support and bad optimisation hardware-software wise
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Yeah i'm not sure about the note1, i had early 2012 when it had ICS. But i had the S3 and note 2, both were fast and fluid with little to no lag at all, especially the note 2 thanks to the 2 gigs or Ram.
I play a lot Samsung and own some of it.
Samsung Lagging phone/tablet
- Note
- Tab 10.1 (This one is pure rubbish)
Samsung not so smooth interface
- S II ( franky said that only 4.1.2 france ROM with S III interface run quite well here.. hmm)
- S III International Edition (it actually quite nice now using XperianZe ROM, means latest touchwiz to blame not really capable for 1GB device)
- Note 10.1
Samsung with well acceptable interface smoothness, not smooth interface (some sort like cut frame) was keep to extreme minimal
- S III LTE edition
- Note II
- Nexus 10
Base on above, and current spec, I believe in final, S 4 will running smooth on it interface.
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It is very laggy with smart stay and smart scroll turned on. Turn them off and it is much improved.
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so whats the reason then for them to exist? if they make the phone laggy? asked no-one in samsung apperently...
I've been hearing on some reviews that there are some moments that the Touchwiz UI will have an occasional stutter or lag. Do you guys think that downloading a different launcher, like Apix, will help solve that? Or will I have to go to the dark side of the phone and root it?
Also to some of you S3 owners out there, did installing CM10 or any other custom roms help remove any signs of lag or stuttering from the phone?
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I've been hearing on some reviews that there are some moments that the Touchwiz UI will have an occasional stutter or lag. Do you guys think that downloading a different launcher, like Apix, will help solve that? Or will I have to go to the dark side of the phone and root it?
Also to some of you S3 owners out there, did installing CM10 or any other custom roms help remove any signs of lag or stuttering from the phone?
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i noticed the same on mine... Its a GT-I9505...
My Nexus 4 is smoother....
I'm afraid to get the s4 because of that. Everyone swore to God that the note 2 was the most fluid device they ever touched with no frame rate drops. I recommend it to two friends, come back two weeks later to find both of their phones a lag fest. There might've been some user error there, they both had 2 or 3 weird apps installed, and I attempted to diagnose the problem but alas the lag remained, with and without apex. It was kinda embarrassing
for me when they both went in to trade their note 2's for an iPhone 5, because of the horrendous lag they suffered.
I say all that because I potentially see that happening here again, especially with touchwiz now BEYOND bloated with features. Not to mention the phone probably isn't optimized for snapdragon the way it is for exynos...
Don't get me wrong I love sammy phones, I think they're incredible as I'm still rocking the s2. I just have a hard time recommending them to people because of the horrible experiences a regular user faces without rooting and throwing an aosp rom on. And it's not like I can freely suggest nexus phones as the nexus 4 is exclusive to gsm (most my friends are on Verizon/Sprint) and most don't like the idea of paying off contract.
Anywho I rambled a bit. Long story short, I'm the biggest Samsung advocate in the world but even I'm skeptical of getting the s4 because of performance drops such as the ones mentioned
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I'm guessing it's the use of 4.2. It was a big step backwards from 4.1.
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I'm afraid to get the s4 because of that. Everyone swore to God that the note 2 was the most fluid device they ever touched with no frame rate drops. I recommend it to two friends, come back two weeks later to find both of their phones a lag fest. There might've been some user error there, they both had 2 or 3 weird apps installed, and I attempted to diagnose the problem but alas the lag remained, with and without apex. It was kinda embarrassing
for me when they both went in to trade their note 2's for an iPhone 5, because of the horrendous lag they suffered.
I say all that because I potentially see that happening here again, especially with touchwiz now BEYOND bloated with features. Not to mention the phone probably isn't optimized for snapdragon the way it is for exynos...
Don't get me wrong I love sammy phones, I think they're incredible as I'm still rocking the s2. I just have a hard time recommending them to people because of the horrible experiences a regular user faces without rooting and throwing an aosp rom on. And it's not like I can freely suggest nexus phones as the nexus 4 is exclusive to gsm (most my friends are on Verizon/Sprint) and most don't like the idea of paying off contract.
Anywho I rambled a bit. Long story short, I'm the biggest Samsung advocate in the world but even I'm skeptical of getting the s4 because of performance drops such as the ones mentioned
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Did you ever try to install a custom rom for any of those devices? The only smart phone I've owned was a Samsung Infuse (The little brother of the S2) and the lag on that phone was terrible, despite the amount of roms I've put on it.
I have seen lag in the widget drawer, first time when you try to swipe to a different page in the widget drawer. Seems like 4.2 update have broken a few things in terms of smoothness.
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I have seen lag in the widget drawer, first time when you try to swipe to a different page in the widget drawer. Seems like 4.2 update have broken a few things in terms of smoothness.
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So did I. Didn't notice a lag in other screens, though...
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Did you ever try to install a custom rom for any of those devices? The only smart phone I've owned was a Samsung Infuse (The little brother of the S2) and the lag on that phone was terrible, despite the amount of roms I've put on it.
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I still have the Droid Charge, the Infuse's ugly brother on Verizon. They both use galaxy S hardware in the age of the S II, and Samsung didn't really give a crap about them software wise. I remember when the Charge got the gingerbread update there was a line that read something like this in the source:
/*This is a temporary piece of crappy code that I was forced to write as I did not figure
out how to properly use the driver in the system. Please resist the temptation of ever using
this code in a good Samsung phone. I will remove this code as soon as I figure out the correct
way of using the driver*/
The old hardware and the bad development are likely the problems. We did just get an OTA update a couple of weeks ago that fixed a lot of lag, though. Maybe it was that guy's driver, who knows.
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I've been hearing on some reviews that there are some moments that the Touchwiz UI will have an occasional stutter or lag. Do you guys think that downloading a different launcher, like Apix, will help solve that? Or will I have to go to the dark side of the phone and root it?
Also to some of you S3 owners out there, did installing CM10 or any other custom roms help remove any signs of lag or stuttering from the phone?
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It's an existing feature in Samsung phones called S-lag.
So how's the dialer? Does it still open for 3 secs?
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I'm afraid to get the s4 because of that. Everyone swore to God that the note 2 was the most fluid device they ever touched with no frame rate drops. I recommend it to two friends, come back two weeks later to find both of their phones a lag fest. There might've been some user error there, they both had 2 or 3 weird apps installed, and I attempted to diagnose the problem but alas the lag remained, with and without apex. It was kinda embarrassing
for me when they both went in to trade their note 2's for an iPhone 5, because of the horrendous lag they suffered.
I say all that because I potentially see that happening here again, especially with touchwiz now BEYOND bloated with features. Not to mention the phone probably isn't optimized for snapdragon the way it is for exynos...
Don't get me wrong I love sammy phones, I think they're incredible as I'm still rocking the s2. I just have a hard time recommending them to people because of the horrible experiences a regular user faces without rooting and throwing an aosp rom on. And it's not like I can freely suggest nexus phones as the nexus 4 is exclusive to gsm (most my friends are on Verizon/Sprint) and most don't like the idea of paying off contract.
Anywho I rambled a bit. Long story short, I'm the biggest Samsung advocate in the world but even I'm skeptical of getting the s4 because of performance drops such as the ones mentioned
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I read somewhere that the lag is not the devices themselves but more on Android's native coding (how it was built ground up). Android works like a computer and differences are the way it utilizes the CPU/GPU. For example, when you are browsing and click on something on iOS, it stops everything and performs new instructions right away. In Android, it still process last set of instructions.
So Android reduces the lag by brute force by (dual, quad core, more memory, GPU etc) whereas iOS, because of different coding they don't need to. Many apps on Android are really customized versions of Java. And didn't Steve Jobs eliminate Java because it is too slow/power consuming for Mobile?
Even Nexus devices lag. When you turn on the phone and start scrolling and browsing right away really fast there is some lag.
There is an interesting just released article on that matter , in french, but numbers speak for themselves :
lesnumeriques.com/reactivite-tactile-ecran-21-smartphones-tablettes-n29229.html
(sorry can't publish full url yet.
Limited set of devices for now but more to come and undoubtly GS4.
So far,
no surprise, Iphone 5 beat them all : 75ms
GS3 : quite good : 105ms
HTC one : a bit disappointing : 145
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I'm afraid to get the s4 because of that. Everyone swore to God that the note 2 was the most fluid device they ever touched with no frame rate drops. I recommend it to two friends, come back two weeks later to find both of their phones a lag fest. There might've been some user error there, they both had 2 or 3 weird apps installed, and I attempted to diagnose the problem but alas the lag remained, with and without apex. It was kinda embarrassing
for me when they both went in to trade their note 2's for an iPhone 5, because of the horrendous lag they suffered.
I say all that because I potentially see that happening here again, especially with touchwiz now BEYOND bloated with features. Not to mention the phone probably isn't optimized for snapdragon the way it is for exynos...
Don't get me wrong I love sammy phones, I think they're incredible as I'm still rocking the s2. I just have a hard time recommending them to people because of the horrible experiences a regular user faces without rooting and throwing an aosp rom on. And it's not like I can freely suggest nexus phones as the nexus 4 is exclusive to gsm (most my friends are on Verizon/Sprint) and most don't like the idea of paying off contract.
Anywho I rambled a bit. Long story short, I'm the biggest Samsung advocate in the world but even I'm skeptical of getting the s4 because of performance drops such as the ones mentioned
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Note II with Nova on here, and zero lags (except if you unlock from deep sleep and immediately without waiting, like within 1 second or something, pull down the notification bar, there's a lag, but that's me being nitpicky here). I guess it's a snapdragon thing rather, I'm on N7100 international Note II. Can vouch for that anyways.
I feel like this will be fixed with updates.
A lot of them said it was in awkward apps.. the kind of apps you wouldn't expect to get lag.
On engadgets review, they say that the air view and air gestures seen to make the phone a lot more sluggish. So hopefully disabling one of those features will help speed it up.
Note 2 user chiming in. Not even mad about lag. There is no such thing as lag free. Show me proof if there is.
Also got an GS4 arriving tomorrow. Removing bloatware as soon as I gain root.
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When I was trying out the note 2 at the att store I noticed that some of the transitions would stutter from time to time (getting inand out of the app drawer, notification pulll down stutter) When I was trying out the HTC One, the only lag slight lag I got was on the widget select screen. Everything was literally smooth and fluid, it was awesome! The only reason why I was sold to the S4 instead of the One was because of the power button and volume buttons being so flush in the casing. I would have to slide my finger across the top just to pinpoint the power button which was very annoying and so I was thinking of avoiding the One. And I honestly like the design of the S4 more. But even the slightest lag on the S4 will deter me away from it, if it is constantly happening that is.
i'm not sure why some of u have lag or stutter on N2
i only have stutter on the notification drawer if i have a looot of notifications
Have you noticed some lags on the stock browser app? It seems there are some issues with pinch-in/out.
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Have you noticed some lags on the stock browser app? It seems there are some issues with pinch-in/out.
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no stock browser smooth as butter , Chrome stutter sometimes
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no stock browser smooth as butter , Chrome stutter sometimes
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Can I ask you what is the version of the fw?
i9505 or 9500?
Thanks man
I posted this in the Note 2 forums aswell but I'm just curious as to what you guys think, having presumably had the phone for a while. I'm planning on getting a S4 that's brand new tomorrow as a swap for my Note 2 which I've had for 3/4 months. Any thoughts?
youguesswho said:
I posted this in the Note 2 forums aswell but I'm just curious as to what you guys think, having presumably had the phone for a while. I'm planning on getting a S4 that's brand new tomorrow as a swap for my Note 2 which I've had for 3/4 months. Any thoughts?
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I think it depends on your taste and needs. I prefer S4 as it is not that big, yet has a marvelous display and is fast enough for my daily use.
I did, am happy!
I did the switch after using Note 2 for over half a year.
I'm very happy with its size (got tired of holding Note 2) and its display.
Once official CM build for I9500 is released, I'm sure I'll be even happier.
Cheers!
As a person who did this, I'll help you decide with some simple questions.
Do you hate warm devices? The S4 gets hot compared to the almost always room temp Note 2.
Do you want to root it? No? Get it if the above doesn't bother you.
Yes? If you stay on stock kernel, then again, get it. If not, you might have some very annoying camera lag issues. If you don't use the camera a lot you'll live with it, but it might ruin some moments, or keep your friends doing awkward faces while the camera loads.
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As a person who did this, I'll help you decide with some simple questions.
Do you hate warm devices? The S4 gets hot compared to the almost always room temp Note 2.
Do you want to root it? No? Get it if the above doesn't bother you.
Yes? If you stay on stock kernel, then again, get it. If not, you might have some very annoying camera lag issues. If you don't use the camera a lot you'll live with it, but it might ruin some moments, or keep your friends doing awkward faces while the camera loads.
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+1 for Camera lag issue
What kind of lag issue? I was debating between the Note 2 and S4 and ended up with an S4. I am very happy with my decision. S4 has no camera lag issues and no issues anywhere else. I'm almost always on my phone doing whatever and no lags....yeah it gets hot from time to time but that's normal if your playing a big graphic and processing hogging game and/or always on the internet uploading and downloading.
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I don't have a Note II to tell you the main differences, however I believe you should hold on to your Note until next S comes if you're really willing to change your device . My cellphone before S4 was a Xperia X10 Mini Pro lol (yea, it's from 2010), Note II is still a recent and nice device! However if you really want to change now I'll tell you my experience with GT-I9505:
Pros:
FAST AS HELL! Can run any game on it with no problems
Display is amazing, vivid colors and very sharp quality. Jaw dropping quality IMO.
Slim and light.
Easy to root, good developer forums (at least GT-I9505)
Installed AOSP 4.3 and is even faster now (GT-I9505G = GT-I9505)
Superb camera (dad has a HX-1 camera from Sony, because of the fast processor I was able to take 3-4 photos while he was taking one, however you can't compare quality lol, not that S4 camera is bad, it's one of the best now, but Sony HX-1 is a CAMERA, while S4 is a CELLPHONE)
Sound is fine (will discuss later about this one in *Cons*)
Cons:
Gets really hot
Battery don't last too long (6-9h with moderate usage)
Screen too bright
Speaker placed in the bottom (after using my Nexus 10 with front speakers you notice the difference, I see myself putting my S4 over something without the speaker touching the surface to get better sound)
The personal opinions:
Screen size - Depends of your interest, I found it the perfect size for me (I'm 190cm with huge hands lol)
Beautiful device overall - I think it is at least
Physical "Home" button - I'm looking at you HTC One
That's it, hope it clarifies a little. Closing up:
This review was based on my experience with GT-I9505, I don't know about the GT-I9500, however viewing from developer perspective I'd recommend you getting the GT-I9505, as it's similar to GT-I9505G and has official CM support .
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My experience reported was using TouchWiz Stock ROM (4.2.2), Google Edition 4.2.2 and AOSP 4.3, my current ROM is the AOSP 4.3
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Wow. Thank you guys for all the feedback, I am a pretty small guy to be honest with small hands, that was why I was compelled to get a smaller device without losing any of the software features and the S4 seemed the only viable option to me, however saying that, I think I'd be best off waiting, the overheating seems abit of a problem as I do make long calls daily and the lack of use of custom kernels without the camera bugging up is a bit of a shame as I was looking forward to using it alot. But anyway guys, thanks for the help !!
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What kind of lag issue? I was debating between the Note 2 and S4 and ended up with an S4. I am very happy with my decision. S4 has no camera lag issues and no issues anywhere else. I'm almost always on my phone doing whatever and no lags....yeah it gets hot from time to time but that's normal if your playing a big graphic and processing hogging game and/or always on the internet uploading and downloading.
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It does, but only if you use a custom kernel. The lag gets even worse when using third party apps, sometimes it even reboots.
Stock kernel doesn't cause these issues.
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The only time I've seen my S4 lag after a picture is if I have "Night Mode" on. After every picture it would say "processing." Once I turned that off, all the pictures that I've taken just snapped and kept it moving. I also have the review off. No point if your the type to take several pics and just keep the one that you like the most. That's what I normally do.
I've had my note 4 for around 48 hours now and I'm shocked and appalled with the performance. It lags so much in almost anything you do from Web browsing to scrolling feeds in apps. I've never been this dissatisfied with the performance of an android device since the HTC Hero.
Why are more people not complaining about this? Are any of the custom roms out there fixing this? My device is N901F.
You must have a defective phone. Mine does not lag at all.
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I've had my note 4 for around 48 hours now and I'm shocked and appalled with the performance. It lags so much in almost anything you do from Web browsing to scrolling feeds in apps. I've never been this dissatisfied with the performance of an android device since the HTC Hero.
Why are more people not complaining about this? Are any of the custom roms out there fixing this? My device is N901F.
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All Samsung devices are very laggy when in stock condition. That's Touchwiz for you.
I've owned the s3, s4, s5 and the note 4, and i can say without a doubt that this is the least laggy samsung phone I've ever used. and in all honestly, it tops the charts with the LG g2 as the least laggy phone I've ever had, period. idk what you're doing, but my phone flies 247.
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I've owned the s3, s4, s5 and the note 4, and i can say without a doubt that this is the least laggy samsung phone I've ever used. and in all honestly, it tops the charts with the LG g2 as the least laggy phone I've ever had, period. idk what you're doing, but my phone flies 247.
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Maybe because you're obviously a die hard Samsung fan is why you think this phone "flies 247". I can assure you compared to other current flagships it's a pig.
My only decision right now is to try some other roms or just sell it. Will never buy another Samsung again though. SwiftKey is even struggling to keep up while I type this.....
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Maybe because you're obviously a die hard Samsung fan is why you think this phone "flies 247". I can assure you compared to other current flagships it's a pig.
My only decision right now is to try some other roms or just sell it. Will never buy another Samsung again though. SwiftKey is even struggling to keep up while I type this.....
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Have you tried a factory reset? The retail Note 4 is not rooted yet so you won't be able to flash a different ROM.
I have only one suggestion, Nova Launcher and use all the " Faster than Light" stettings
I've had my N4 for 4 days now, came from a BB device. I am very impressed with the speed and how fluid everything has been working. I've installed new mail, calendar apps, been web surfing and playing with Themer and haven't experienced any lag at all. Start with reset and go from there.
There's a little lag, but not as much as older Samsung phones, much less than the G3. Maybe yours is defective. I agree with other people, being a jackass and calling people fan boys won't help you.
As for Swifykey, it's been nothing but a laggy bundle of hell for a long time for me no matter what phone I use. The Samsung keyboard owns it.
lets face it I have vzw n4 and it sometimes does lag.
Cache clear/wipe helps.
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Maybe because you're obviously a die hard Samsung fan is why you think this phone "flies 247". I can assure you compared to other current flagships it's a pig.
My only decision right now is to try some other roms or just sell it. Will never buy another Samsung again though. SwiftKey is even struggling to keep up while I type this.....
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LMFAO. furthest from a die hard samsung fan, buddy. rather than just speak out your ass, do research first. if you go through my post history you'll find I've criticized the s4 on so many occasions of it being a slow, laggy, over heating pos. I had it for like 3 months before I put it aside and used my HTC dna as my main phone again.
I had the s5 for 7 hours, hated it, and returned it.
then I had an LG g2 for over a full year, which is the longest I've had an android phone.
if i were ever a fan boy, it would have been an htc fanboy back when I had the dinc, rezound and dna. I had an s3, which was a great phone at the time, and then once ics hit it, it became unusable and laggy.
look through my post history and find tons of posts complaining about samsung lag and how I hated touchwiz.
the note 4 is finally a good product from Samsung, and that's coming from someone who couldn't stand their lag since like 2012.
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Clearly a defective device, unless you're trolling around. My device only lags when using the messaging app to text or the pattern to unlock. Even then, it doesn't lag anywhere close to as much as any other phone (stock) I've ever owned (including HTC devices and iPhone's). Bring it back and tell them that your device is defective, and demand an exchange. That's what I did for my first 2 Black Note 4's that had issues.
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I've had my note 4 for around 48 hours now and I'm shocked and appalled with the performance. It lags so much in almost anything you do from Web browsing to scrolling feeds in apps. I've never been this dissatisfied with the performance of an android device since the HTC Hero.
Why are more people not complaining about this? Are any of the custom roms out there fixing this? My device is N901F.
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I came from the HTC One M8. That phone was lightning fast, and very smooth. When I first got the N4, I felt the same as you and today still wonder wtf Samsung is doing with their code that makes their devices run so poorly compared to other top tier android phones. While I still notice lag and stutter on occasion, the device generally seems to have improved over my 4 weeks of using it. I use Nova launcher, Google keyboard, disabled unlock effect, disabled a bunch of apps and options I don't need or use and it generally feels faster and more smooth. I should mention that I don't think I've simply gotten use to the lag. I played with my M8 a bit before I sold it a week ago and the performance difference didn't seem as drastic. The only place I still notice poor or slow performance is in the messaging app, however since I turned off priority contacts, it seems to be more responsive.
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LMFAO. furthest from a die hard samsung fan, buddy. rather than just speak out your ass, do research first. if you go through my post history you'll find I've criticized the s4 on so many occasions of it being a slow, laggy, over heating pos. I had it for like 3 months before I put it aside and used my HTC dna as my main phone again.
I had the s5 for 7 hours, hated it, and returned it.
then I had an LG g2 for over a full year, which is the longest I've had an android phone.
if i were ever a fan boy, it would have been an htc fanboy back when I had the dinc, rezound and dna. I had an s3, which was a great phone at the time, and then once ics hit it, it became unusable and laggy.
look through my post history and find tons of posts complaining about samsung lag and how I hated touchwiz.
the note 4 is finally a good product from Samsung, and that's coming from someone who couldn't stand their lag since like 2012.
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Cool story Bro.
Problem with most people is they buy a device and they blindly defend it. I am completely non bias. I can afford to be. I'll just buy another device. If you're on the fence about buying a note 4 and reading this.... Don't. Not until further updates are released anyway.
I'll make a video to prove you muppets wrong. This **** lags. Fact. And no. This device is not faulty. Always very easy to pull the faulty card when someone challenges your precious device you've waited 2 years to upgrade to. Pathetic paupers.
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I've had my N4 for 4 days now, came from a BB device.
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Stop reading here.
No doubt the note lags. I've had evey high end phone this year and the note is one of the slowest. Faster than the S5. That's about it. None the less is probably my favorite phone this year. It has everything in one package. Awesome battery life, phenomenal screen and camera, excellent looks and build quality. After using the G3 , M8, and the turbo I do miss the speed, but all the other stuff makes it up for me.
Anyone who thinks the note doesn't lag is either delusional or hasn't used a non-Samsung device.
I have an m8 also. It's lightning compared to this **** and it's almost a year older? And with far less raw power. It's not acceptable. Well done for speaking up against the fan boys.
Please keep the conversation cordial. The name calling as minor as you all think it may be is disrespectful and not tolerated on XDA.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and whether you agree or disagree there's no reason to attack anyone's character.
Please take this as a friendly warning.
Edfunkycold
Have a great day! from my LG G3
leecasey said:
Cool story Bro.
Problem with most people is they buy a device and they blindly defend it. I am completely non bias. I can afford to be. I'll just buy another device. If you're on the fence about buying a note 4 and reading this.... Don't. Not until further updates are released anyway.
I'll make a video to prove you muppets wrong. This **** lags. Fact. And no. This device is not faulty. Always very easy to pull the faulty card when someone challenges your precious device you've waited 2 years to upgrade to. Pathetic paupers.
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There have been several cases where users report lag and returned their phone as a defective device. Those users reported the 2nd phone as being lag free.
After the first update i experience no lag except for an occational messaging lag.
Maybe the reason you dont hear 98% of the people complain is because they dont have a problem. You're not the only one willing to open their mouth about such issue. These people are trying help you but you're insisting that your phone is some how the golden device that speaks for the rest. Things happen during manufacturing process, defective devices happen. We're a community come be respectful, contribute, enjoy your phone. The community doesnt work for anyone, so attacking it isn't going to do you any ounce of good. I hope you find the fix to YOUR problem. If that means switching phones so be it. For the rest of us we are happy with our phones and are experiencing minimal lag.
Why don't you try disabling some apps, Switching launchers and keyboards?
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My heart says yes but my mind is a bit cautious!
Can you convince me to NOT buy this phone?
Sectoras said:
My heart says yes but my mind is a bit cautious!
Can you convince me to NOT buy this phone?
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It took me about a month of deciding to get one (updating from HTC One m7).
Just say "F it" and buy one. There's no point being the richest man in the graveyard :laugh:
Not really. It has its flaws such as Touchwiz but it's still one of if not the best Android phone around today. I guess in a few months the Note 5 will be released.
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It took me about a month of deciding to get one (updating from HTC One m7).
Just say "F it" and buy one. There's no point being the richest man in the graveyard :laugh:
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True! I'm just a click before the purchase! I was thinking to get the exynos version but i guess the snapdragon ROMs are better than the exynos right? However is the difference noticeable?
Just my opinion though... If i were you I would probably wait for Note 5, but if you can't wait and you are eager? then try to stay away from the Korean versions (no offense - for Koreans) and buy the phone. I personally own the Korean Version which is a pain for me due to the "Olleh Logo and apps" and little to no custom rom available. All this was my fault since i was in a hurry in getting the less expensive deal. But yet i lived with it and now loving the Phone, I also own the non edge S6 which i used for two days and eventually giving it to my wife, Since i am not used to a bit smaller phone compared to note 4. But yes try to wait a bit more for the note 5.
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Just my opinion though... If i were you I would probably wait for Note 5, but if you can't wait and you are eager? then try to stay away from the Korean versions (no offense - for Koreans) and buy the phone. I personally own the Korean Version which is a pain for me due to the "Olleh Logo and apps" and little to no custom rom available. All this was my fault since i was in a hurry in getting the less expensive deal. But yet i lived with it and now loving the Phone, I also own the non edge S6 which i used for two days and eventually giving it to my wife, Since i am not used to a bit smaller phone compared to note 4. But yes try to wait a bit more for the note 5.
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Is there an official ETA for the note 5? I could wait a month or two.. Also i'm not willing to spend more than 500€ .. so i guess i should go for the Note 4
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Is there an official ETA for the note 5? I could wait a month or two..
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As of now there's no specific Release Date, But i assume somewhere August. Google search yielded sprouting links, rumors etc. about note 5, But there is no actual Date. Anyways when there's A "1, 2 & 3" series, then there will always be "4, 5 and so on..." So it will come...
Buy the note edge instead. ...
One of a kind.
Lags like crazy, camera is not good in low light especially with moving objects. That's all I got. But at least for me, I'm doubting whether I'll get another Samsung device purely because of the lag.
Supposedly the S6 has a stripped down touchwiz as well, but it still lags.
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Small hands. Don't buy this phone if you have small hands :b
Seriously, no flags at all. Kitkat is the most flawless, fastest and optimized firmware to the date. Lollipop is getting better with BOE2 build and it WILL be better with 5.1.1. Also you have interchangeable batteries and microSD support. Go, grab one, you'll never regret.
I see as though the note 5 will come with an irreplaceable battery and memory. That's very very discouraging to be me, unless s6 sales cause them to rethink their strategy am not going to be upgrading to note 5 from my current note 4.
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Lags like crazy, camera is not good in low light especially with moving objects. That's all I got. But at least for me, I'm doubting whether I'll get another Samsung device purely because of the lag.
Supposedly the S6 has a stripped down touchwiz as well, but it still lags.
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My experience with the international snapdragon version says completely otherwise! I think your is clogged with bloatware hence the lag! Plus also quality control is different for different countries. Like I know the SM-N910S version to be not so good and someone here has posted on the same. I went out of my way to get the International Snapdragon version because I had heard wonders about it and now that I have it, it is also doing wonders. Just visit the Note 4 battery thread and you will see what I am talking about.
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I see as though the note 5 will come with an irreplaceable battery and memory. That's very very discouraging to be me, unless s6 sales cause them to rethink their strategy am not going to be upgrading to note 5 from my current note 4.
My experience with the international snapdragon version says completely otherwise! I think your is clogged with bloatware hence the lag! Plus also quality control is different for different countries. Like I know the SM-N910S version to be not so good and someone here has posted on the same. I went out of my way to get the International Snapdragon version because I had heard wonders about it and now that I have it, it is also doing wonders. Just visit the Note 4 battery thread and you will see what I am talking about.
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It's strange that people's experiences with this (and other) phones vary so much. I believe it all comes down to subjectiveness, perception and what you're expecting from your device. Sometimes when I read a thread on someone's perception of a phone on XDA I think "what?!, you've got to be kidding!".
Personally speaking, after owning most of the current and past flagships, the Note 4 stands amongst the best. It takes some work to freeze apps and get battery performance to a good level but it's allround performance, camera quality, build quality, QHD screen taken into account etc, it's easily one of the best around at this moment in time and with a custom kernel, it's very snappy. Is it the perfect phone? no, not by far but then no others are today and the N4 is close to the top of the pile.
i think it's bigger than others, but i like it
beezar said:
Lags like crazy, camera is not good in low light especially with moving objects. That's all I got. But at least for me, I'm doubting whether I'll get another Samsung device purely because of the lag.
Supposedly the S6 has a stripped down touchwiz as well, but it still lags.
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I'm aware of this lag issue, but i hope for a good, tweaked & clean XDA ROM.
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My heart says yes but my mind is a bit cautious!
Can you convince me to NOT buy this phone?
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Yes, it lags! On both UI and games!
And also, it takes extremely long for uldates to get released! But whatever you do dont get 910H! Check which version gets updates first!
And its funny, my note n7000 and this note are voth full of scratches! Luckily scratches on my note 4 are barely seen on normal conditions but my N7000 was awful! But my nexus 4 and sensation didnt have scratches! (After i droped my sensation there was one on the screen and back of my nexus 4 was full of scratch but only on back)
and also the chrome on the edges gets worn off with case! Otherwise great phone! You could also wait for note 5! But its gonna be expensive as hell, atmeast for a few months!
But the screen, if you don't care about purple smudges its AMAZING! When i compare it to my monutor its like watching 2 diffrent movies but it might be because my momitor is terrible
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It's strange that people's experiences with this (and other) phones vary so much. I believe it all comes down to subjectiveness, perception and what you're expecting from your device. Sometimes when I read a thread on someone's perception of a phone on XDA I think "what?!, you've got to be kidding!".
Personally speaking, after owning most of the current and past flagships, the Note 4 stands amongst the best. It takes some work to freeze apps and get battery performance to a good level but it's allround performance, camera quality, build quality, QHD screen taken into account etc, it's easily one of the best around at this moment in time and with a custom kernel, it's very snappy. Is it the perfect phone? no, not by far but then no others are today and the N4 is close to the top of the pile.
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I hear you and what you are saying makes perfect sense, I can't argue with that. Not everyone uses their phones alike which accounts for the differences we experience. But I tell you this Note 4 I have is really God sent, the only other phone that could do what it's currently doing was my first Nokia phone ever or maybe it's because I am in a region with superb signal reception, I realized the Note 4 is extremely sensitive to the mobile network signal power and impacts greatly on battery life. I can't wait to install a custom rom into it and really see it's potential.
Well I kinda agree about the sluggishness partially but not totally to the extent that i ended up complaining about how note 4 lags. Mine does not lag like crazy but some rare occurrence of what i call the "stutter Effect" other than that it is fast (btw mine is the exynos Korean n910k model) handles pretty well with all apps. I guess it's down to every user's taste which varies. I have put both side by side the S6 (non-edge model) and the note 4 and found that s6 is slightly faster but that i think was because of the striped down TW and probably the latest hardware etc... Anyways it's just my thought.
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As of now there's no specific Release Date, But i assume somewhere August. Google search yielded sprouting links, rumors etc. about note 5, But there is no actual Date. Anyways when there's A "1, 2 & 3" series, then there will always be "4, 5 and so on..." So it will come...
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Note 5 will be announced at IFA 2015 in September and released in October like every note before it
Fuzzi99, If that's the case? then i might probably give my note 4 to my wife and get the "5!" Seriously speaking, I will keep my note and maybe if "Mr. Temptation" will try to get in my way, then i might be tempted to break my piggy bank and purchase the Note 5... Interesting News by the way.