I was watching some hands on videos of the S4 and was pretty disappointed to see that the interface is laggy in some areas and overall less than perfectly smooth. There's absolutely no excuse for it considering how powerful the hardware is, and shows that Samsung's priorities are all wrong (throwing in a hundred random new features but neglecting the basics of the user experience). But I've seen some comments saying those were just pre-production units. Is that just a fanboy excuse or can we really expect to see a major improvement in smoothness by launch? Is there lag on the Galaxy S3 for anyone who's owned one? UI lag is my biggest pet peeve, and that alone is making me consider the HTC One for the first time despite the S4 beating it in almost everything else.
I have noticed in some S3 vs HTC One videos, that the S3 took considerably longer time to show the homescreen when leaving an app by pressing the home button. In some videos I think I might have seen the same thing on the S4. Maybe it's TouchWiz, maybe it's just that the device is not final or so many other apps were open in the background.
Wait for reviews of final hardware.
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Samsungs Launcher software was always a master on being laggy. Especially at the first releases. But after a few updates this lags flew out.
It will be the same on the S4.
Every hands on I've seen so far seems fine to me. If there is any 'lag' going to homescreen, it's because of Touchwiz waiting for that hold or double press for voice control. (Can't remember which it is.)
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I was watching some hands on videos of the S4 and was pretty disappointed to see that the interface is laggy in some areas and overall less than perfectly smooth. There's absolutely no excuse for it considering how powerful the hardware is, and shows that Samsung's priorities are all wrong (throwing in a hundred random new features but neglecting the basics of the user experience). But I've seen some comments saying those were just pre-production units. Is that just a fanboy excuse or can we really expect to see a major improvement in smoothness by launch? Is there lag on the Galaxy S3 for anyone who's owned one? UI lag is my biggest pet peeve, and that alone is making me consider the HTC One for the first time despite the S4 beating it in almost everything else.
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Bad software to blame.
An octa-core has no excuse.
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Bad software to blame.
An octa-core has no excuse.
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Beta software to blame.
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Beta software to blame.
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my note 2 is lag free so there's absolutely no reason for the gs4 to lag with either cpu
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Every hands on I've seen so far seems fine to me. If there is any 'lag' going to homescreen, it's because of Touchwiz waiting for that hold or double press for voice control. (Can't remember which it is.)
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This is the reason, that's why the S Voice double press option gets disabled straight away
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Beta software to blame.
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Exactly. Thank God there are still smart people around. Its because it is beta and not final software. Samsung phones are the most fluid phones out there besides the nexus line ( jelly bean era). The S3 had many Jelly bean leaks ( 10 or more) just 2 weeks before the final version was released. The first leak was very laggy, by the 3rd it was starting to be ok, by the 7th or 8th you could feel project butter. The S IV is shipping in a month so whatever lag there is, it will probably be gone.
Samsung's fanboys wont admit it , but the SGS2/3/Note1/2/10.1 lag out of the box.
Just walk in a Staples or a BB and try a Note 10.1. It is extremely laggy.
You need to disable all the crapwares/bloatwares if you want to feel this tablet runs like an iPad.
I never understood why Samsung let their demos(out of the box devices) be so unpleasant to use.
Some are saying Google cant live without Samsung but I say a Motorola Google X available with all the carriers would remove Samsung from the number one Android phones.
Samsung need to be bumped asap
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Samsung's fanboys wont admit it , but the SGS2/3/Note1/2/10.1 lag out of the box.
Just walk in a Staples or a BB and try a Note 10.1. It is extremely laggy.
You need to disable all the crapwares/bloatwares if you want to feel this tablet runs like an iPad.
I never understood why Samsung let their demos(out of the box devices) be so unpleasant to use.
Some are saying Google cant live without Samsung but I say a Motorola Google X available with all the carriers would remove Samsung from the number one Android phones.
Samsung need to be bumped asap
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There hasn't been a good Motorola phone since the original RAZR.
It is very laggy with smart stay and smart scroll turned on. Turn them off and it is much improved.
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I was watching some hands on videos of the S4 and was pretty disappointed to see that the interface is laggy in some areas and overall less than perfectly smooth. There's absolutely no excuse for it considering how powerful the hardware is, and shows that Samsung's priorities are all wrong (throwing in a hundred random new features but neglecting the basics of the user experience). But I've seen some comments saying those were just pre-production units. Is that just a fanboy excuse or can we really expect to see a major improvement in smoothness by launch? Is there lag on the Galaxy S3 for anyone who's owned one? UI lag is my biggest pet peeve, and that alone is making me consider the HTC One for the first time despite the S4 beating it in almost everything else.
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I wouldn't judge till we saw a final production model.
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I have noticed in some S3 vs HTC One videos, that the S3 took considerably longer time to show the homescreen when leaving an app by pressing the home button. In some videos I think I might have seen the same thing on the S4. Maybe it's TouchWiz, maybe it's just that the device is not final or so many other apps were open in the background.
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Of course it's going to lag when you hit home. You have to deactivate S Voice double tap home launch. The SGS4 is going to wait a split second or 2 to see if you hit home again to launch S Voice. Deactivate that and it would have just went home.
I did notice a little bit of lag when the phones were being demoed, but quite honestly these are pre-release models. It could be as simple as the phone not killing its tasks after it opens up 7 or 10 apps. What if the person before opened up a few browsers, the camera, gallery, flipboard, a game, etc?
Again, I'll judge when the thing actually comes out or when GSM Arena gets a hold of a final production model.
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Samsung's fanboys wont admit it , but the SGS2/3/Note1/2/10.1 lag out of the box.
Just walk in a Staples or a BB and try a Note 10.1. It is extremely laggy.
You need to disable all the crapwares/bloatwares if you want to feel this tablet runs like an iPad.
I never understood why Samsung let their demos(out of the box devices) be so unpleasant to use.
Some are saying Google cant live without Samsung but I say a Motorola Google X available with all the carriers would remove Samsung from the number one Android phones.
Samsung need to be bumped asap
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Listen to this guy lol. Note 2, s3,s2 do not lag out of the box, note 1 yes when it didnt have jelly bean, dont know now. Dont know aqbout note 10.1 either. You speak like a hater, keep on hating
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Listen to this guy lol. Note 2, s3,s2 do not lag out of the box, note 1 yes when it didnt have jelly bean, dont know now. Dont know aqbout note 10.1 either. You speak like a hater, keep on hating
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The Jelly Bean update that samsung gave to the galaxy note 1 is probably the worst update I have seen. It is buggy, slow and laggy! Even after removing all the bloat taking it down to 236MB it is still laggy and slow. This is one of the reasons why I am not going to go with any sammy device, poor support and bad optimisation hardware-software wise
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The Jelly Bean update that samsung gave to the galaxy note 1 is probably the worst update I have seen. It is buggy, slow and laggy! Even after removing all the bloat taking it down to 236MB it is still laggy and slow. This is one of the reasons why I am not going to go with any sammy device, poor support and bad optimisation hardware-software wise
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Yeah i'm not sure about the note1, i had early 2012 when it had ICS. But i had the S3 and note 2, both were fast and fluid with little to no lag at all, especially the note 2 thanks to the 2 gigs or Ram.
I play a lot Samsung and own some of it.
Samsung Lagging phone/tablet
- Note
- Tab 10.1 (This one is pure rubbish)
Samsung not so smooth interface
- S II ( franky said that only 4.1.2 france ROM with S III interface run quite well here.. hmm)
- S III International Edition (it actually quite nice now using XperianZe ROM, means latest touchwiz to blame not really capable for 1GB device)
- Note 10.1
Samsung with well acceptable interface smoothness, not smooth interface (some sort like cut frame) was keep to extreme minimal
- S III LTE edition
- Note II
- Nexus 10
Base on above, and current spec, I believe in final, S 4 will running smooth on it interface.
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It is very laggy with smart stay and smart scroll turned on. Turn them off and it is much improved.
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so whats the reason then for them to exist? if they make the phone laggy? asked no-one in samsung apperently...
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Ive bought a Note and today a Galaxy Nexus and they all go back...
Nothing to compare with the S2...
Can you be more precise on what you dislike?
on note:
+display size for browsing
-laggy and slower comperd to s2
-size, im 193cm but its too big for beeing a mobile phone
on galaxy nexus:
+display it looks really georgous
+videocam can zoom on fullhd and shows more
-ics at this moment (mods,app support,flash etc) is not better then gingerbread
-microsd card
Galaxy S2 is still the best one, the note and nexus only have a larger screens with higher res. And this is it.
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How is the note laggier? I thought it was an overclocked S2
How was the battery life on the note and nexus?
I am curious since I was thinking of changing
Have to admit having an s2 with an sd card slot is brilliant,why on earth they didn't see that as a plus I'll never know!
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How is the note laggier? I thought it was an overclocked S2
How was the battery life on the note and nexus?
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The notes battery was really better compared to the s2. my s2 survives on heavy useage on a office day 8 hr, the note could add 3-4 hrs... on the nexus i dont know.
The note is lagerif you use it daily as a mobile device, youre not able to use it with one hand...
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so the note is laggier becoz of its size limitation in regards to physical manipulation, not the cpu processing power. is that what u mean?
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-ics at this moment (mods,app support,flash etc) is not better then gingerbread
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I'd like to comment on this and say that after the SGN has been released, the hype has gone down for me. Being a new OS/phone there seem to be a plethora of bugs flying around, with small annoyances starting to come out.
As a techie it's easy for me to claim ICS superiority, but how will you explain these things to your dad for example? "ICS is...uh...better..."? The average person would see very minor changes. Yes the interface is new, but how is this really different from installing a new launcher? Sorry to sound cynical about ICS but to most people it is a minor interface change. The practical experience would be like moving from HTC Sense to TouchWiz... different interface but overall still the "same".
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so the note is laggier becoz of its size limitation in regards to physical manipulation, not the cpu processing power.
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yes only the screen and size are larger...
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As a techie it's easy for me to claim ICS superiority, but how will you explain these things to your dad for example? "ICS is...uh...better..."? The average person would see very minor changes. Yes the interface is new, but how is this really different from installing a new launcher? Sorry to sound cynical about ICS but to most people it is a minor interface change. The practical experience would be like moving from HTC Sense to TouchWiz... different interface but overall still the "same".
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I have a note and s2. With2.3.6 firmware the note performance is more or less like the s2. Screen is better than the s2 and unless you have small hands it's very comfortable to use. Default CPU speed is 1.4 GHz which is enough to handle the extra pixels.
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I'd like to comment on this and say that after the SGN has been released, the hype has gone down for me. Being a new OS/phone there seem to be a plethora of bugs flying around, with small annoyances starting to come out.
As a techie it's easy for me to claim ICS superiority, but how will you explain these things to your dad for example? "ICS is...uh...better..."? The average person would see very minor changes. Yes the interface is new, but how is this really different from installing a new launcher? Sorry to sound cynical about ICS but to most people it is a minor interface change. The practical experience would be like moving from HTC Sense to TouchWiz... different interface but overall still the "same".
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I dont know about ICS yet, but honeycomb experience in tablets is better than gingerbread/froyo, beyond cosmetics.
If anyone want always the same can buy apple
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I'd like to comment on this and say that after the SGN has been released, the hype has gone down for me. Being a new OS/phone there seem to be a plethora of bugs flying around, with small annoyances starting to come out.
As a techie it's easy for me to claim ICS superiority, but how will you explain these things to your dad for example? "ICS is...uh...better..."? The average person would see very minor changes. Yes the interface is new, but how is this really different from installing a new launcher? Sorry to sound cynical about ICS but to most people it is a minor interface change. The practical experience would be like moving from HTC Sense to TouchWiz... different interface but overall still the "same".
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I dont agree about ICS being the same as installing a new Launcher. Go watch some more vids about ICS. You see changes in the phone app, in the calander app, in the browser. The UI is more consistent in every part of the OS, giving it a modern and complete look. There are nice animations, also for switching from portrait to landscape view, the new notifications bar, etc etc.
Not to mention there should be new features.
The Engadget ICS review goes pretty deep in to ICS.
I usually am like you and very honest and direct about if I like something or its not such a big deal. But imo ICS is a very good and nice update.
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Have to admit having an s2 with an sd card slot is brilliant,why on earth they didn't see that as a plus I'll never know!
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From someone who owned an HTC Diamond, the omission of an SD Card is a stupid idea. From a manufacturer's point of view, you make one phone which can have an 8GB, 16GB or 32GB extra memory which can be plugged in or (like Apple) manufacturer 3 variations of the exact same phone.
audino said:
on note:
+display size for browsing
-laggy and slower comperd to s2
-size, im 193cm but its too big for beeing a mobile phone
on galaxy nexus:
+display it looks really georgous
+videocam can zoom on fullhd and shows more
-ics at this moment (mods,app support,flash etc) is not better then gingerbread
-microsd card
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umm most of the things u point out is common sense ? couldnt u have known that before getting them ?
for example the size ... yes its big ..... didnt u know this >?????
yes ICS isnt better in the department because its NEW didnt u know this ether ?
no microsd card .... yeah couldnt u have known this from the spec page on samsung ??
this is one of the strangest threads
Interesting opinions, for me the Note is ruled out straight away it is simply too big for a mobile and frankly i think it looks a bit silly walking around with something that size stuck to your ear.
The Nexus i would be more interested in but the lack of SD rules out me getting that straight off,what were Samsung thinking
Actually i don't know why Samsung are even bothering releasing more and more smartphones trying to rival the SGSII, i hope it's not a case of quantity as opposed to quality,churning out a new smartphone every few months for me isn't the way to go, if i were Samsung i would've waited until Feb 2012 and released the SGSIII complete with ICS and watch as sales rocket, lets be honest the Note and Galaxy will be lucky to achieve even a 1/3 of the sales the SGSII has done,only the wealthy and those who are really obsessed with having the latest smartphone regardless if it's the best or not will buy,judging by the reviews ive read both these phones are no better than the SGSII so why bother shelling out lots of money.
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Interesting opinions, for me the Note is ruled out straight away it is simply too big for a mobile and frankly i think it looks a bit silly walking around with something that size stuck to your ear.
The Nexus i would be more interested in but the lack of SD rules out me getting that straight off,what were Samsung thinking
Actually i don't know why Samsung are even bothering releasing more and more smartphones trying to rival the SGSII, i hope it's not a case of quantity as opposed to quality,churning out a new smartphone every few months for me isn't the way to go, if i were Samsung i would've waited until Feb 2012 and released the SGSIII complete with ICS and watch as sales rocket, lets be honest the Note and Galaxy will be lucky to achieve even a 1/3 of the sales the SGSII has done,only the wealthy and those who are really obsessed with having the latest smartphone regardless if it's the best or not will buy,judging by the reviews ive read both these phones are no better than the SGSII so why bother shelling out lots of money.
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The note blows away the sg2 IMO. I have both and gave the sg2 to my girlfriend.e
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I'm not really impressed with ICS as well, UI change is a big thing especially the on screen buttons but I'm not a big fan. 2.1 and the Nexus one was still the most exciting thing to ever happen to android, big leap forward and the best smartphone available by a mile!
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I dont agree about ICS being the same as installing a new Launcher. Go watch some more vids about ICS. You see changes in the phone app, in the calander app, in the browser. The UI is more consistent in every part of the OS, giving it a modern and complete look. There are nice animations, also for switching from portrait to landscape view, the new notifications bar, etc etc.
Not to mention there should be new features.
The Engadget ICS review goes pretty deep in to ICS.
I usually am like you and very honest and direct about if I like something or its not such a big deal. But imo ICS is a very good and nice update.
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These changes in phone, calendar, browser etc doesn't mean we'll see them on the s2. Samsung has their own, tw etc. To me these are small changes anyway. What more do I want in the phone app anyway!
I really don't get all the hype about ics as well. More just looking forward to see what the new Samsung ui looks like.
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The note blows away the sg2 IMO. I have both and gave the sg2 to my girlfriend.e
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Don't you think it's wayyyy too big to be a phone, christ you may as well go back to 1988 when you had yuppies walking about with the first ever mobile phone
I don't have tiny girl hands so no its not way too big at all. Fits perfectly, if anything the SG2 seems too small now. I could never go back to a phone smaller than 5". Unless you're a psuedo-male that's around 5'4"-5-5" with girl like hands, it should be no problem to handle. Hell even most average sized girls could handle it with ease.
I will not buy a Note 2 and proceed with a Nexus device.
Be it from LG, HTC or Samsung.
The Original Note has already frustrated me to a point I can't bear no longer.
Let me explain why before you Note 2 worshippers come and attack me.
Original Note Frustrations:
1. ICS Update for GT-N7000
- Gingerbread theme on an ICS based ROM. I mean comeon how lazy are you Samsung really?
- Even the Gallery is not updated. It's stock Gallery from Gingerbread (Fixed in latest half-assed S3 lookalike update)
2. Midway ICS transition to JB Update for GT-N7000
- Improves the situation abit but still very gingerbread-ish.
- Finally the launcher lags no more. I mean after 10 months after launch? SERIOUSLY SAMSUNG?!
- New Gallery from Note 2. I applaud this. A great improvement from your Gingerbread Gallery.
3. Waiting for Updates.
4. S-Pen, no matter how much you worship this Samsung innovation, it does not feel native to the core OS.
5. Super AMOLED HD is a pain in the ass.
- Screen degrades too quickly. It takes 6 months only for the whites in my Note to go YELLOW. 6 freaking months.
- Try to view a full screen white image when you are using your S-AMOLED HD phone. Its completely uneven.
- I mean, really? Left is pure white. Right is yellow? What sorcery is this?!
- Pentile but solved in Note 2 but quick degration is probably still present.
- I swear the Note 1 which has higher pixel density is more blurr-ish than my iPad 3 which has a lower pixel density.
- Black Clipping. A serious problem still not solved from Day 1. Frustrating.
6. Aspect Ratio.
- To me is a downgrade. Less resolution.
- 16:10 allows me to have wider portrait viewing.
7. Samsung Exynos
- A real benchmarking powerhouse but still sucks anyway.
- Why it sucks? Documentation and source support. We Note 1 owners still don't get no Project Butter thanks to Samsung.
8. Samsung TouchWiz
- TouchWiz is clunky and unfinished. (They almost solved it in TouchWiz Nature)
- Too many gimmicks unless I mention are useful ones.
- Direct Call is useful.
- AllShare sucks compared to AirPlay. I can't AllShare my YouTube. But I can AirPlay my YouTube on iPad.
- Same thing for Pop Up Video. Why can't I Pop Up my YouTube? As I explained earlier, not built into Core OS.
- AirView (Note 2 specific feature) Completely unrealistic. Apple developed a way superior "pinch-a-little" to view photos. Who the hell wants to take out the S-Pen just so you can preview some photos which might not be photos you want to see even. Might as well click the album and view all right? AirView on Video Player is the same thing. You can just hold the seekbar right? Why use a pen?
But these are things I love about the original Note.
1. Battery is huge. I mean can really last two days long!
2. Screen size. I swear its perfect for my hands.
3. Video support is amazing!
I know Note 2 solved many of this problems but you know what. The future is still bleak with its Exynos processor.
The brick bug? Comeon. Samsung seriously? You still haven't fix it in months?!
Imagine another Project like Project Ultra Mega Buttery Smooth in Android 5.0 and then devs realised drivers are incompatible
with Note 2 and must wait for Samsung to release the drivers which could take months!
Note 2 is a good phone if only you don't see its flaws.
I learnt the hard way that hardware is not everything.
Software is important too with the dev support.
Note forums is practically dead until Samsung releases JB sources for the OG Note.
I expect a half-assed update whatever the next version of Android is when S4 comes out for Note 2. Trust me on that.
Your future with the Note 2 will be bleak with frustrations.
Ask any dev using Note 1 including me.
Frustration awaits.
Have a good day.
Yours truly
OG Note user from Launch Day.
I still want it. Anyone else still going to get it?
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Cool. Will read again.
Oh, good luck with lg. They are so reliable with software updates
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I still want it. Anyone else still going to get it?
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got it. in one word this phablet is 'marvellous' it outshines other recent phones in every department from speed to display. no matter what the hardware is, but this giant is fast.
Anyone else think that this thread is unnecessary?
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schiwa said:
got it. in one word this phablet is 'marvellous' it outshines other recent phones in every department from speed to display. no matter what the hardware is, but this giant is fast.
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I bet it does. Can't wait till it comes out for sprint. Nothing can beat this beast.
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Ok thank you for letting us know, this is a very useful thread.
Also, every phone is a good phone if you don't see their flaws, what's your point?
stoney73 said:
Oh, good luck with lg. They are so reliable with software updates
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The point of Nexus is Google handles the updates.
Livebyte said:
The point of Nexus is Google handles the updates.
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That's why the Verizon galaxy nexus got its Jelly Bean update so quickly then I guess.
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That's why the Verizon galaxy nexus got its Jelly Bean update so quickly then I guess.
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I don't have to worry about that. I don't come from the West. All the devices here on contract or not is unlocked by law.
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I was refreshing this page waiting for reply exactly like this lol..
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After all the frustrations with the Note 1.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32144030&postcount=117
Funny how you were saying how you were so glad to have switched to the OG Note less than 2 weeks ago....
And didn't you supposedly have an N7105 too?
You're entitled to your opinion and I'm not trying to take that away. But being an owner of a Note 2 for about 4+ days now, I couldn't disagree with you more with virtually every bullet point.
Jelly Bean and S-Pen apps are revolutionary upgrade over the Note 1. Pull out the pen, and the device unlocks locks automatically and you're ready to write. Push it back in, and you're back to the home screen. The AirView works amazing, and it adds a whole new level of useful UI that is similar to hovering with a mouse but maybe even better. It is a feature that I am sure Apple is falling over themselves running to the conference room to see how they can get something like AirView. S-Pen functionally is heavily baked into the OS. And it feels refined. They seriously put a lot of focus here, so I am surprised that you say that anything is half baked.
I agree with you that TouchWiz for Gingerbread and ICS is seriously ugly. The Note 2 comes with TouchWiz UX (heavily modified for S-Pen), and it is a beautiful UI, better than any launcher available on the market (just my opinion. Some of TW UX is only clunky because they had to remove UI improvements due to Apple patent infringements. Minor annoyances really.
TouchWiz was made ugly on purpose by Samsung because they are in the business of controlling OS updates to sell more phones. And no, just because it is Exynos, it doesn't have anything to do with not getting OS updates. You're not going to do any better with updates with a Samsung that has a Snapdragon processor. If the Note 1 ever gets Jelly Bean, it will be TouchWiz again and uglified. So why are you sticking with the Note 1 again?
I agree that the new RGB screen is not anything special. It is pretty much performs identical to the Galaxy S3 screen except when examined under the microscope. It is not any brighter, at least mine is not.
You sound like you enjoy watching videos on the Note. Most HD videos are in 16:9 ratios these days, so that on a 16:10 screen, you get black bars on top and bottom. Thus you are only using 5.15" of your 5.3" screen on the Note 1. And the Galaxy Note having a 5.55" screen means you get a .4" upgrade from the Note. Whether you think an extra .4" for video is up to you.
Note 2 has a great battery. If you probably leave it alone and not use it, it would probably go for much longer than 2 days. It is that no one with a Note 2 has been letting it sit there for days and monitoring the battery just yet. It will happen, and the numbers can only be great. I was on it pretty heavily today tethering it, streaming videos, putting it through stress tests, speed tests, benchmarks, and I managed to go nearly 18 hours.
I guess what I'm saying is, in my opinion, your perspective on the Note 2 is completely off. And the reason I say that is what you are saying is polar opposite compared to all the people that have owned it for a few days and have reviewed it (myself included).
But hey, you're entitled to your opinion.
+1 to all that written above..
And 2 updates in 2 weeks..!!!
Samsung is really stepped on the pedal & its not gonna get any better then this on any OEM..
And good luck with the boring aosp experience..
Now someone close the thread..
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32144030&postcount=117
Funny how you were saying how you were so glad to have switched to the OG Note less than 2 weeks ago....
And didn't you supposedly have an N7105 too?
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A complete joke I know. I will never buy a HTC device again. I'm glad I made the switch to the OG Note from Sensation.
Oooo. Running TouchWiz 5 now stock on Note! :laugh:
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Dont let the door hit your ass on the way out.
someone's just upset that the phone is beyond amazing and they can't handle it haha
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You're entitled to your opinion and I'm not trying to take that away. But being an owner of a Note 2 for about 4+ days now, I couldn't disagree with you more with virtually every bullet point.
Jelly Bean and S-Pen apps are revolutionary upgrade over the Note 1. Pull out the pen, and the device unlocks locks automatically and you're ready to write. Push it back in, and you're back to the home screen. The AirView works amazing, and it adds a whole new level of useful UI that is similar to hovering with a mouse but maybe even better. It is a feature that I am sure Apple is falling over themselves running to the conference room to see how they can get something like AirView. S-Pen functionally is heavily baked into the OS. And it feels refined. They seriously put a lot of focus here, so I am surprised that you say that anything is half baked.
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I agree, but S-Pen as I said will never feel native in the OS. But the minor improvements are definitely welcome.
AirView is useful to a certain extent. I don't imagine anyone wants to take out the S-Pen to view a preview of their photos or videos.
when they can just tap and see the actual image or video. Plus for AirView in Gallery, Apple did a much smarter way. Pinching a little to see a preview. That's smarter than taking out a pen to view.
I wasn't saying about Note 2. I was saying about how Note 1 is completely half-baked. I've tried Note 2. Its an improvement but not a major one.
One more time, I will say it again. It won't feel native to the OS.
I agree with you that TouchWiz for Gingerbread and ICS is seriously ugly. The Note 2 comes with TouchWiz UX (heavily modified for S-Pen), and it is a beautiful UI, better than any launcher available on the market (just my opinion. Some of TW UX is only clunky because they had to remove UI improvements due to Apple patent infringements. Minor annoyances really.
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A major improvement I agree, but this causes the update dilemma. A serious problem no matter how much you love TouchWiz.
I love TouchWiz but I would give anything for a better update schedule near the iOS level.
TouchWiz was made ugly on purpose by Samsung because they are in the business of controlling OS updates to sell more phones. And no, just because it is Exynos, it doesn't have anything to do with not getting OS updates. You're not going to do any better with updates with a Samsung that has a Snapdragon processor. If the Note 1 ever gets Jelly Bean, it will be TouchWiz again and uglified. So why are you sticking with the Note 1 again?
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Yes, the main reason Note 1 is still stuck with an unfinished JB is because of Exynos.
Not essentially true, I recall Exynos 4210 devices are the only powerhouses left that doesn't have hwcomposer fixed properly yet.
I agree that the new RGB screen is not anything special. It is pretty much performs identical to the Galaxy S3 screen except when examined under the microscope. It is not any brighter, at least mine is not.
You sound like you enjoy watching videos on the Note. Most HD videos are in 16:9 ratios these days, so that on a 16:10 screen, you get black bars on top and bottom. Thus you are only using 5.15" of your 5.3" screen on the Note 1. And the Galaxy Note having a 5.55" screen means you get a .4" upgrade from the Note. Whether you think an extra .4" for video is up to you.
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AMOLED screens degrade very quickly. Brightness is not that important if the screens degrade so quickly compared to an LCD.
Note 2 has a great battery. If you probably leave it alone and not use it, it would probably go for much longer than 2 days. It is that no one with a Note 2 has been letting it sit there for days and monitoring the battery just yet. It will happen, and the numbers can only be great. I was on it pretty heavily today tethering it, streaming videos, putting it through stress tests, speed tests, benchmarks, and I managed to go nearly 18 hours.
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I totally agree with you.
I guess what I'm saying is, in my opinion, your perspective on the Note 2 is completely off. And the reason I say that is what you are saying is polar opposite compared to all the people that have owned it for a few days and have reviewed it (myself included).
But hey, you're entitled to your opinion.
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I didn't say much about Note 2. I was saying alot of the original Note.
A frustration but nonetheless an excellent device.
Well I'm just here to give an opinion.
Note 2 is amazing device. If you can live with the flaws, it's the best phone yet.
Galaxy Nexus and OG Note came out near the same time.
And now, the Nexus is way much superior to the Note because of the software.
I hope you get my point. I'm talking about the future here.
Not the current state of the device now which is amazing.
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After all the frustrations with the Note 1.
- Half-assed ICS update. I mean comeon a gingerbread theme in ICS? Really?
- Then they decided to update halfway to half-baked S3 UI and still looks clunky.
- Tired of waiting for updates.
- S-Pen no matter what you think of it, doesn't feel native as in baked into the Android subsystem.
- S-AMOLED. I don't like it. The screen degrades too quickly. Now my whites are super yellow. Its frustrating! Best part the notification bar area is whiter then the other areas with a distinctive line. Disappointing.
- Pentile. (But they solved it with Note 2!) My eyes are never the same after seeing iPad 3's screen and looking at Note 1 is just blurry. Best part is iPad 3 has a lower pixel density than Note 1.
- Change of aspect ratio. I bought Note 1 because of 16:10. And it's gone. Don't tell me about the advantages about 16:9 because I like 16:10.
- Samsung source support. Seriously? Note 1 still doesn't have buttery smooth JB. Unbelievable. I will never buy an Exynos device ever again.
- TouchWiz. I love some aspects of it but I hate most of it. It's seriously ugly but somewhat useful in some ways. The newest iteration seems just fine, but not sparkling.
But these are things I love about the original Note.
- Battery is huge. I mean can really last two days long!
- Screen size. I swear its perfect for my hands.
- Video support is amazing!
I know Note 2 solved many of this problems but you know what. The future is still bleak with its Exynos processor.
The brick bug? Comeon. Samsung seriously? You still haven't fix it in months?!
Imagine another Project like Project Ultra Mega Buttery Smooth in Android 5.0 and then devs realised drivers are incompatible
with Note 2 and must wait for Samsung to release the drivers which could take months!
Note 2 is a good phone if only you don't see its flaws.
I learnt the hard way that hardware is not everything.
Software is important too with the dev support.
Note forums is practically dead until Samsung releases JB sources for the OG Note.
After seeing the LG Nexus, I don't feel like buying Note 2 even though I had an eye for Note 2 even before it came out.
I expect a half-assed update whatever the next version of Android is when S4 comes out for Note 2. Trust me on that.
Good day to all Note 2 current and future owners.
Your future with the Note 2 will be bleak with frustrations.
Have a good day.
Yours truly
OG Note user from Launch Day.
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1. You clearly prefer stock firmware/updates. In which case, why are you even here? Most users on xda prefer their devices rooted and running custom firmware, or at the very least, stock but processed (rooted, deodexed, zipaligned, the works...).
2. Don't like your UI? You don't even necessarily need root. There are plenty of launchers on play store alone to allow some sort of customization (Apex launcher is my personal favourite for example). If you want more than that, you'll most likely need to root.
3. I don't know what kind of miracles you expect doing with the S-Pen, but it IS in fact integrated to Samsung's firmware. Be it code, or simply drivers.
4. I have no clue what's wrong with your screen, but mine is crystal clear. Beautiful colours and very smooth.
5. True, no official Jellybean update as of yet. But, that's why we have a community of amazing devs here that bring it to us, whether it's in the form of a leak, or cyanogen based ports. Either way, they work on it hard to give us as stable releases as possible. Hence the name of this website, if you haven't noticed... xda-DEVELOPERS.
6. The Exynos processor on the GT-I9100 (Galaxy SII), still even now, pulls some of the best benchmarks on the market.
7. If the device is ugly, in your opinion, why bother even getting one in the first place?
8. Although I do agree the Note forums aren't as lively as other devices, there are some seriously stable rom options there, with MANY cool features.
9. "Note 2 is a good phone if only you don't see its flaws"?! This makes no sense. No general consumer market tech is flawless out of the box. I owned 2 LG devices.... Never again. You just cant compare the build quality between Samsung and LG.
Bottom line, if you don't know how to use your device properly, or to its fullest potential, don't complain about it.
This thread should be locked in my opinion.
Can't believe I wasted my time commenting about this. I just had to... LOL
Well I did buy the Note 2 and have been using it for 5 days now. But I can say one of the main reasons I bought it was that there were not really any acceptable alternatives for me. I was using an S3 and actually waited until the IPhone 5 was released to take a look but it was still too small.
I have a couple of complaints similar to the op's, and the first one is Amoled. The sad fact is that for the most part if you use a Samsung phone these days you have to deal with an unrealistic color representation and other display issues. If someone could make a 5 inch phone with the IPad 3 display quality they could have all my money. Now the Note 2 has maybe the best Amoled I have seen, but it is still not quite ready.
The other things are the various little problems with design. And here is an example that has me pissed off: If you are using your phone as a music player and used the long press on the headphone button to adjust volume well that will not work any more with 4.1.1. Instead it brings up the ridiculous Google voice search. So if you want to adjust the volume you have to take the phone out of your pocket and hit the button. And this is 2012. I have to wonder if the engineers who design these things actually use them. Did they ever take them home for a weekend or try to use them in day to day life? Usability problems like this make me nuts, and are why I nearly went back to the IPhone after using 3 different Samsung phones.
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1. You clearly prefer stock firmware/updates. In which case, why are you even here? Most users on xda prefer their devices rooted and running custom firmware, or at the very least, stock but processed (rooted, deodexed, zipaligned, the works...).
2. Don't like your UI? You don't even necessarily need root. There are plenty of launchers on play store alone to allow some sort of customization (Apex launcher is my personal favourite for example). If you want more than that, you'll most likely need to root.
3. I don't know what kind of miracles you expect doing with the S-Pen, but it IS in fact integrated to Samsung's firmware. Be it code, or simply drivers.
4. I have no clue what's wrong with your screen, but mine is crystal clear. Beautiful colours and very smooth.
5. True, no official Jellybean update as of yet. But, that's why we have a community of amazing devs here that bring it to us, whether it's in the form of a leak, or cyanogen based ports. Either way, they work on it hard to give us as stable releases as possible. Hence the name of this website, if you haven't noticed... xda-DEVELOPERS.
6. The Exynos processor on the GT-I9100 (Galaxy SII), still even now, pulls some of the best benchmarks on the market.
7. If the device is ugly, in your opinion, why bother even getting one in the first place?
8. Although I do agree the Note forums aren't as lively as other devices, there are some seriously stable rom options there, with MANY cool features.
9. "Note 2 is a good phone if only you don't see its flaws"?! This makes no sense. No general consumer market tech is flawless out of the box. I owned 2 LG devices.... Never again. You just cant compare the build quality between Samsung and LG.
Bottom line, if you don't know how to use your device properly, or to its fullest potential, don't complain about it.
This thread should be locked in my opinion.
Can't believe I wasted my time commenting about this. I just had to... LOL
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You didn't read what I said. Do I have to repeat again? OMG.
Root or not, with dev or no dev.
It's nearly impossible to provide a STABLE JB-based ROM with hwcomposer working (aka Project Butter component) if the manufacturer doesn't provide the drivers for JB.
Yeah for now the screen is amazing, wait just maybe 6 months.
Enjoy your pathetic yellowish degraded screen.
I never even said the device is ugly. Seriously? Do you even read?
Pulls the best benchmarks with no stable JB hooray
while a TI-based phone which produces lower benchmarks has stable JB. I'm so happy.
I agree with you on the last point.
It's a wait and see approach. But the original Note is going to be my last Samsung device ever. Too many flaws.
I've been hearing on some reviews that there are some moments that the Touchwiz UI will have an occasional stutter or lag. Do you guys think that downloading a different launcher, like Apix, will help solve that? Or will I have to go to the dark side of the phone and root it?
Also to some of you S3 owners out there, did installing CM10 or any other custom roms help remove any signs of lag or stuttering from the phone?
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I've been hearing on some reviews that there are some moments that the Touchwiz UI will have an occasional stutter or lag. Do you guys think that downloading a different launcher, like Apix, will help solve that? Or will I have to go to the dark side of the phone and root it?
Also to some of you S3 owners out there, did installing CM10 or any other custom roms help remove any signs of lag or stuttering from the phone?
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i noticed the same on mine... Its a GT-I9505...
My Nexus 4 is smoother....
I'm afraid to get the s4 because of that. Everyone swore to God that the note 2 was the most fluid device they ever touched with no frame rate drops. I recommend it to two friends, come back two weeks later to find both of their phones a lag fest. There might've been some user error there, they both had 2 or 3 weird apps installed, and I attempted to diagnose the problem but alas the lag remained, with and without apex. It was kinda embarrassing
for me when they both went in to trade their note 2's for an iPhone 5, because of the horrendous lag they suffered.
I say all that because I potentially see that happening here again, especially with touchwiz now BEYOND bloated with features. Not to mention the phone probably isn't optimized for snapdragon the way it is for exynos...
Don't get me wrong I love sammy phones, I think they're incredible as I'm still rocking the s2. I just have a hard time recommending them to people because of the horrible experiences a regular user faces without rooting and throwing an aosp rom on. And it's not like I can freely suggest nexus phones as the nexus 4 is exclusive to gsm (most my friends are on Verizon/Sprint) and most don't like the idea of paying off contract.
Anywho I rambled a bit. Long story short, I'm the biggest Samsung advocate in the world but even I'm skeptical of getting the s4 because of performance drops such as the ones mentioned
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I'm guessing it's the use of 4.2. It was a big step backwards from 4.1.
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I'm afraid to get the s4 because of that. Everyone swore to God that the note 2 was the most fluid device they ever touched with no frame rate drops. I recommend it to two friends, come back two weeks later to find both of their phones a lag fest. There might've been some user error there, they both had 2 or 3 weird apps installed, and I attempted to diagnose the problem but alas the lag remained, with and without apex. It was kinda embarrassing
for me when they both went in to trade their note 2's for an iPhone 5, because of the horrendous lag they suffered.
I say all that because I potentially see that happening here again, especially with touchwiz now BEYOND bloated with features. Not to mention the phone probably isn't optimized for snapdragon the way it is for exynos...
Don't get me wrong I love sammy phones, I think they're incredible as I'm still rocking the s2. I just have a hard time recommending them to people because of the horrible experiences a regular user faces without rooting and throwing an aosp rom on. And it's not like I can freely suggest nexus phones as the nexus 4 is exclusive to gsm (most my friends are on Verizon/Sprint) and most don't like the idea of paying off contract.
Anywho I rambled a bit. Long story short, I'm the biggest Samsung advocate in the world but even I'm skeptical of getting the s4 because of performance drops such as the ones mentioned
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Did you ever try to install a custom rom for any of those devices? The only smart phone I've owned was a Samsung Infuse (The little brother of the S2) and the lag on that phone was terrible, despite the amount of roms I've put on it.
I have seen lag in the widget drawer, first time when you try to swipe to a different page in the widget drawer. Seems like 4.2 update have broken a few things in terms of smoothness.
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I have seen lag in the widget drawer, first time when you try to swipe to a different page in the widget drawer. Seems like 4.2 update have broken a few things in terms of smoothness.
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So did I. Didn't notice a lag in other screens, though...
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Did you ever try to install a custom rom for any of those devices? The only smart phone I've owned was a Samsung Infuse (The little brother of the S2) and the lag on that phone was terrible, despite the amount of roms I've put on it.
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I still have the Droid Charge, the Infuse's ugly brother on Verizon. They both use galaxy S hardware in the age of the S II, and Samsung didn't really give a crap about them software wise. I remember when the Charge got the gingerbread update there was a line that read something like this in the source:
/*This is a temporary piece of crappy code that I was forced to write as I did not figure
out how to properly use the driver in the system. Please resist the temptation of ever using
this code in a good Samsung phone. I will remove this code as soon as I figure out the correct
way of using the driver*/
The old hardware and the bad development are likely the problems. We did just get an OTA update a couple of weeks ago that fixed a lot of lag, though. Maybe it was that guy's driver, who knows.
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I've been hearing on some reviews that there are some moments that the Touchwiz UI will have an occasional stutter or lag. Do you guys think that downloading a different launcher, like Apix, will help solve that? Or will I have to go to the dark side of the phone and root it?
Also to some of you S3 owners out there, did installing CM10 or any other custom roms help remove any signs of lag or stuttering from the phone?
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It's an existing feature in Samsung phones called S-lag.
So how's the dialer? Does it still open for 3 secs?
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I'm afraid to get the s4 because of that. Everyone swore to God that the note 2 was the most fluid device they ever touched with no frame rate drops. I recommend it to two friends, come back two weeks later to find both of their phones a lag fest. There might've been some user error there, they both had 2 or 3 weird apps installed, and I attempted to diagnose the problem but alas the lag remained, with and without apex. It was kinda embarrassing
for me when they both went in to trade their note 2's for an iPhone 5, because of the horrendous lag they suffered.
I say all that because I potentially see that happening here again, especially with touchwiz now BEYOND bloated with features. Not to mention the phone probably isn't optimized for snapdragon the way it is for exynos...
Don't get me wrong I love sammy phones, I think they're incredible as I'm still rocking the s2. I just have a hard time recommending them to people because of the horrible experiences a regular user faces without rooting and throwing an aosp rom on. And it's not like I can freely suggest nexus phones as the nexus 4 is exclusive to gsm (most my friends are on Verizon/Sprint) and most don't like the idea of paying off contract.
Anywho I rambled a bit. Long story short, I'm the biggest Samsung advocate in the world but even I'm skeptical of getting the s4 because of performance drops such as the ones mentioned
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I read somewhere that the lag is not the devices themselves but more on Android's native coding (how it was built ground up). Android works like a computer and differences are the way it utilizes the CPU/GPU. For example, when you are browsing and click on something on iOS, it stops everything and performs new instructions right away. In Android, it still process last set of instructions.
So Android reduces the lag by brute force by (dual, quad core, more memory, GPU etc) whereas iOS, because of different coding they don't need to. Many apps on Android are really customized versions of Java. And didn't Steve Jobs eliminate Java because it is too slow/power consuming for Mobile?
Even Nexus devices lag. When you turn on the phone and start scrolling and browsing right away really fast there is some lag.
There is an interesting just released article on that matter , in french, but numbers speak for themselves :
lesnumeriques.com/reactivite-tactile-ecran-21-smartphones-tablettes-n29229.html
(sorry can't publish full url yet.
Limited set of devices for now but more to come and undoubtly GS4.
So far,
no surprise, Iphone 5 beat them all : 75ms
GS3 : quite good : 105ms
HTC one : a bit disappointing : 145
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I'm afraid to get the s4 because of that. Everyone swore to God that the note 2 was the most fluid device they ever touched with no frame rate drops. I recommend it to two friends, come back two weeks later to find both of their phones a lag fest. There might've been some user error there, they both had 2 or 3 weird apps installed, and I attempted to diagnose the problem but alas the lag remained, with and without apex. It was kinda embarrassing
for me when they both went in to trade their note 2's for an iPhone 5, because of the horrendous lag they suffered.
I say all that because I potentially see that happening here again, especially with touchwiz now BEYOND bloated with features. Not to mention the phone probably isn't optimized for snapdragon the way it is for exynos...
Don't get me wrong I love sammy phones, I think they're incredible as I'm still rocking the s2. I just have a hard time recommending them to people because of the horrible experiences a regular user faces without rooting and throwing an aosp rom on. And it's not like I can freely suggest nexus phones as the nexus 4 is exclusive to gsm (most my friends are on Verizon/Sprint) and most don't like the idea of paying off contract.
Anywho I rambled a bit. Long story short, I'm the biggest Samsung advocate in the world but even I'm skeptical of getting the s4 because of performance drops such as the ones mentioned
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Note II with Nova on here, and zero lags (except if you unlock from deep sleep and immediately without waiting, like within 1 second or something, pull down the notification bar, there's a lag, but that's me being nitpicky here). I guess it's a snapdragon thing rather, I'm on N7100 international Note II. Can vouch for that anyways.
I feel like this will be fixed with updates.
A lot of them said it was in awkward apps.. the kind of apps you wouldn't expect to get lag.
On engadgets review, they say that the air view and air gestures seen to make the phone a lot more sluggish. So hopefully disabling one of those features will help speed it up.
Note 2 user chiming in. Not even mad about lag. There is no such thing as lag free. Show me proof if there is.
Also got an GS4 arriving tomorrow. Removing bloatware as soon as I gain root.
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When I was trying out the note 2 at the att store I noticed that some of the transitions would stutter from time to time (getting inand out of the app drawer, notification pulll down stutter) When I was trying out the HTC One, the only lag slight lag I got was on the widget select screen. Everything was literally smooth and fluid, it was awesome! The only reason why I was sold to the S4 instead of the One was because of the power button and volume buttons being so flush in the casing. I would have to slide my finger across the top just to pinpoint the power button which was very annoying and so I was thinking of avoiding the One. And I honestly like the design of the S4 more. But even the slightest lag on the S4 will deter me away from it, if it is constantly happening that is.
i'm not sure why some of u have lag or stutter on N2
i only have stutter on the notification drawer if i have a looot of notifications
Have you noticed some lags on the stock browser app? It seems there are some issues with pinch-in/out.
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Have you noticed some lags on the stock browser app? It seems there are some issues with pinch-in/out.
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no stock browser smooth as butter , Chrome stutter sometimes
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no stock browser smooth as butter , Chrome stutter sometimes
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Can I ask you what is the version of the fw?
i9505 or 9500?
Thanks man
Phone Arena's head to head comparison show that the iPhone and G3 launch apps faster. I can't believe Samsung puts in the best phone processor, but had no care for the end user of a fluid experience, and appears to have put in zero work in making touch wiz faster. Any thoughts?
If that's the case, then I'm sticking to my m8. I couldn't stand that on the note 3.
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I was running some tests on a HP Gen8 server sometime back, it was taking time and sort of freezing a few times.
It had 512GB of RAM, quite a few Xeon processors and tons of other stuffs. It was still "lagging" in many tests.
Do you think I should take this server out and put Moto X, as apparently it doesn't lag.
Samsung phones do a lot more than any other phone. There are many options that you can use in Samsung phone that you won't ever find it a simple phone. And hence there is a tradeoff. It's the law of nature. The very idea of getting a Samsung phone is that you are not getting a normal bare-bone stock device. It's has bells and whistles. It your objective is to have a phone with bare minimum features, get some other phone.
If you get a Samsung phone you might see delay of 0.5 sec for some basic thing, not that I ever care about them. Not it's for your to decide whether you are interested in that half-second of time or do you think those added functionality is more important to you. Just a simple trick like slide to call/SMS is such amazing in a Samsung device.
i cant stand my G3. note 3 didnt lag as much as this pos
Meh, it's a demo model, we don't know which processor it had in it, and it's running a pre-production unit of the new touch wiz. That, and half those tests were bunk, email on the G3 had 2 emails, the note 4 had about 100, same with Gallery. I'll wait for a real comparison before I even look at these speed tests.
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i cant stand my G3. note 3 didnt lag as much as this pos
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I agree with that. My G3 definitely has more lag than the Note 3 I had before it.
Some people say the G3 has less lag when you use the ART runtime, but I have a few apps that are not ART compatible so can't test that.
I doubt the Note 4 will be worse than the G3 in terms of lag. I'll test out when the Note is in stores. If it IS slower then I just won't buy it. Simple.
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I agree with that. My G3 definitely has more lag than the Note 3 I had before it.
Some people say the G3 has less lag when you use the ART runtime, but I have a few apps that are not ART compatible so can't test that.
I doubt the Note 4 will be worse than the G3 in terms of lag. I'll test out when the Note is in stores. If it IS slower then I just won't buy it. Simple.
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i tried art but i have xposed so you cant use it lol and if the note 4 is worse then G3 i will deal with the tiny m8 then. im sick of this. may go back to note 3 lol
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i tried art but i have xposed so you cant use it lol and if the note 4 is worse then G3 i will deal with the tiny m8 then. im sick of this. may go back to note 3 lol
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I seriously wish I would have kept my One M8 instead of going to the G3.
But I get 'new, shiny syndrome' sometimes. Lol
On the other hand I'm displeased enough with the G3 that I doubt I'll regret getting rid of it.
Ready for the Note 4 to hit stores...
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I seriously wish I would have kept my One M8 instead of going to the G3.
But I get 'new, shiny syndrome' sometimes. Lol
On the other hand I'm displeased enough with the G3 that I doubt I'll regret getting rid of it.
Ready for the Note 4 to hit stores...
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me too cant wait for note 4!!
I wish I could have waited for a note4 but my upgrade was burning a hole in my pocket and I picked up the GS5 in April. I love this phone but I want the big screen. I would gladly trade my Sprint GS5 and a Sprint GS3 for this bad boy.
Samsung finally learned to lighten up TouchWiz a bit.
My S5 is completely lag-less. At least as good as the Nexus 4 or S4 mini with CM11, i had before.
Note 4 has a higher resolution but also more power.
(Only 'lag' may be the Home button, because its waiting for a second press (S Voice) - but you can disable that.)
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Samsung finally learned to lighten up TouchWiz a bit.
My S5 is completely lag-less. At least as good as the Nexus 4 or S4 mini with CM11, i had before.
Note 4 has a higher resolution but also more power.
(Only 'lag' may be the Home button, because its waiting for a second press (S Voice) - but you can disable that.)
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i think you are the first person to like the S5 lol
No - for obvious reasons.
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i think you are the first person to like the S5 lol
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Hehe
What i 'dislike' most is the camera. Everything else is great.
The camera is not bad (and still one of the best) but its not as superior as Samsung made me / us believe.
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I was running some tests on a HP Gen8 server sometime back, it was taking time and sort of freezing a few times.
It had 512GB of RAM, quite a few Xeon processors and tons of other stuffs. It was still "lagging" in many tests.
Do you think I should take this server out and put Moto X, as apparently it doesn't lag.
Samsung phones do a lot more than any other phone. There are many options that you can use in Samsung phone that you won't ever find it a simple phone. And hence there is a tradeoff. It's the law of nature. The very idea of getting a Samsung phone is that you are not getting a normal bare-bone stock device. It's has bells and whistles. It your objective is to have a phone with bare minimum features, get some other phone.
If you get a Samsung phone you might see delay of 0.5 sec for some basic thing, not that I ever care about them. Not it's for your to decide whether you are interested in that half-second of time or do you think those added functionality is more important to you. Just a simple trick like slide to call/SMS is such amazing in a Samsung device.
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Very good explanation clarion I agree we've got a lot of users crying for that few lags on TouchWiz but nobody understands that this is not a work stopper if it is for you why is xda community building rom get your device rooted and start flashing aosp or any other tweaked tw rom
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aukhan said:
Very good explanation clarion I agree we've got a lot of users crying for that few lags on TouchWiz but nobody understands that this is not a work stopper if it is for you why is xda community building rom get your device rooted and start flashing aosp or any other tweaked tw rom
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I have a note 2 on Verizon. I think that as an expensive premium device, even for all these "extra features" like you guys say, there is NO EXCUSE for lag! It has the absolute latest phone processor in it, and they even developed their own. What's the point if everything lags and is slow anyway?
My HTC One Max is just as fast as the M8 and MUCH faster than note 3 with metal all around not just on sides and BoomSound speakers are as good as the ones on M8 not single tiny speaker on the back like Note 4.
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I have a note 2 on Verizon. I think that as an expensive premium device, even for all these "extra features" like you guys say, there is NO EXCUSE for lag! It has the absolute latest phone processor in it, and they even developed their own. What's the point if everything lags and is slow anyway?
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I am sure you go to every thread in this community and you will find at least 1thread discussing about slow sluggish and lags.
Our human tendency is we want note never satisfied with what we've already got
Emotion Revolution coming soon on Note 4 (Aosp,Miui,Touchwiz, &Nadia kernel) I am ready to note!! Are you ???
Well I rooted my Note 3 and installed some apps like Seeder, Lag Fix and an app which auto restarts my phone once a day, closing all background apps. It has pretty much eliminated all the lag except the Gallery. For that I installed Nexus Gallery from the store. Still I may think twice before upgrading to another Samsung device.
It is being reported by users, that the TMo OTA update that is being pushed out today solves the recent apps button lag. Nice to see Samsung react to an issue and push out an update.
Now I just get to wait for AT&T to release the update and all will be good.
I've had my note 4 for around 48 hours now and I'm shocked and appalled with the performance. It lags so much in almost anything you do from Web browsing to scrolling feeds in apps. I've never been this dissatisfied with the performance of an android device since the HTC Hero.
Why are more people not complaining about this? Are any of the custom roms out there fixing this? My device is N901F.
You must have a defective phone. Mine does not lag at all.
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I've had my note 4 for around 48 hours now and I'm shocked and appalled with the performance. It lags so much in almost anything you do from Web browsing to scrolling feeds in apps. I've never been this dissatisfied with the performance of an android device since the HTC Hero.
Why are more people not complaining about this? Are any of the custom roms out there fixing this? My device is N901F.
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All Samsung devices are very laggy when in stock condition. That's Touchwiz for you.
I've owned the s3, s4, s5 and the note 4, and i can say without a doubt that this is the least laggy samsung phone I've ever used. and in all honestly, it tops the charts with the LG g2 as the least laggy phone I've ever had, period. idk what you're doing, but my phone flies 247.
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I've owned the s3, s4, s5 and the note 4, and i can say without a doubt that this is the least laggy samsung phone I've ever used. and in all honestly, it tops the charts with the LG g2 as the least laggy phone I've ever had, period. idk what you're doing, but my phone flies 247.
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Maybe because you're obviously a die hard Samsung fan is why you think this phone "flies 247". I can assure you compared to other current flagships it's a pig.
My only decision right now is to try some other roms or just sell it. Will never buy another Samsung again though. SwiftKey is even struggling to keep up while I type this.....
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Maybe because you're obviously a die hard Samsung fan is why you think this phone "flies 247". I can assure you compared to other current flagships it's a pig.
My only decision right now is to try some other roms or just sell it. Will never buy another Samsung again though. SwiftKey is even struggling to keep up while I type this.....
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Have you tried a factory reset? The retail Note 4 is not rooted yet so you won't be able to flash a different ROM.
I have only one suggestion, Nova Launcher and use all the " Faster than Light" stettings
I've had my N4 for 4 days now, came from a BB device. I am very impressed with the speed and how fluid everything has been working. I've installed new mail, calendar apps, been web surfing and playing with Themer and haven't experienced any lag at all. Start with reset and go from there.
There's a little lag, but not as much as older Samsung phones, much less than the G3. Maybe yours is defective. I agree with other people, being a jackass and calling people fan boys won't help you.
As for Swifykey, it's been nothing but a laggy bundle of hell for a long time for me no matter what phone I use. The Samsung keyboard owns it.
lets face it I have vzw n4 and it sometimes does lag.
Cache clear/wipe helps.
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Maybe because you're obviously a die hard Samsung fan is why you think this phone "flies 247". I can assure you compared to other current flagships it's a pig.
My only decision right now is to try some other roms or just sell it. Will never buy another Samsung again though. SwiftKey is even struggling to keep up while I type this.....
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LMFAO. furthest from a die hard samsung fan, buddy. rather than just speak out your ass, do research first. if you go through my post history you'll find I've criticized the s4 on so many occasions of it being a slow, laggy, over heating pos. I had it for like 3 months before I put it aside and used my HTC dna as my main phone again.
I had the s5 for 7 hours, hated it, and returned it.
then I had an LG g2 for over a full year, which is the longest I've had an android phone.
if i were ever a fan boy, it would have been an htc fanboy back when I had the dinc, rezound and dna. I had an s3, which was a great phone at the time, and then once ics hit it, it became unusable and laggy.
look through my post history and find tons of posts complaining about samsung lag and how I hated touchwiz.
the note 4 is finally a good product from Samsung, and that's coming from someone who couldn't stand their lag since like 2012.
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Clearly a defective device, unless you're trolling around. My device only lags when using the messaging app to text or the pattern to unlock. Even then, it doesn't lag anywhere close to as much as any other phone (stock) I've ever owned (including HTC devices and iPhone's). Bring it back and tell them that your device is defective, and demand an exchange. That's what I did for my first 2 Black Note 4's that had issues.
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I've had my note 4 for around 48 hours now and I'm shocked and appalled with the performance. It lags so much in almost anything you do from Web browsing to scrolling feeds in apps. I've never been this dissatisfied with the performance of an android device since the HTC Hero.
Why are more people not complaining about this? Are any of the custom roms out there fixing this? My device is N901F.
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I came from the HTC One M8. That phone was lightning fast, and very smooth. When I first got the N4, I felt the same as you and today still wonder wtf Samsung is doing with their code that makes their devices run so poorly compared to other top tier android phones. While I still notice lag and stutter on occasion, the device generally seems to have improved over my 4 weeks of using it. I use Nova launcher, Google keyboard, disabled unlock effect, disabled a bunch of apps and options I don't need or use and it generally feels faster and more smooth. I should mention that I don't think I've simply gotten use to the lag. I played with my M8 a bit before I sold it a week ago and the performance difference didn't seem as drastic. The only place I still notice poor or slow performance is in the messaging app, however since I turned off priority contacts, it seems to be more responsive.
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LMFAO. furthest from a die hard samsung fan, buddy. rather than just speak out your ass, do research first. if you go through my post history you'll find I've criticized the s4 on so many occasions of it being a slow, laggy, over heating pos. I had it for like 3 months before I put it aside and used my HTC dna as my main phone again.
I had the s5 for 7 hours, hated it, and returned it.
then I had an LG g2 for over a full year, which is the longest I've had an android phone.
if i were ever a fan boy, it would have been an htc fanboy back when I had the dinc, rezound and dna. I had an s3, which was a great phone at the time, and then once ics hit it, it became unusable and laggy.
look through my post history and find tons of posts complaining about samsung lag and how I hated touchwiz.
the note 4 is finally a good product from Samsung, and that's coming from someone who couldn't stand their lag since like 2012.
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Cool story Bro.
Problem with most people is they buy a device and they blindly defend it. I am completely non bias. I can afford to be. I'll just buy another device. If you're on the fence about buying a note 4 and reading this.... Don't. Not until further updates are released anyway.
I'll make a video to prove you muppets wrong. This **** lags. Fact. And no. This device is not faulty. Always very easy to pull the faulty card when someone challenges your precious device you've waited 2 years to upgrade to. Pathetic paupers.
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I've had my N4 for 4 days now, came from a BB device.
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Stop reading here.
No doubt the note lags. I've had evey high end phone this year and the note is one of the slowest. Faster than the S5. That's about it. None the less is probably my favorite phone this year. It has everything in one package. Awesome battery life, phenomenal screen and camera, excellent looks and build quality. After using the G3 , M8, and the turbo I do miss the speed, but all the other stuff makes it up for me.
Anyone who thinks the note doesn't lag is either delusional or hasn't used a non-Samsung device.
I have an m8 also. It's lightning compared to this **** and it's almost a year older? And with far less raw power. It's not acceptable. Well done for speaking up against the fan boys.
Please keep the conversation cordial. The name calling as minor as you all think it may be is disrespectful and not tolerated on XDA.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and whether you agree or disagree there's no reason to attack anyone's character.
Please take this as a friendly warning.
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Have a great day! from my LG G3
leecasey said:
Cool story Bro.
Problem with most people is they buy a device and they blindly defend it. I am completely non bias. I can afford to be. I'll just buy another device. If you're on the fence about buying a note 4 and reading this.... Don't. Not until further updates are released anyway.
I'll make a video to prove you muppets wrong. This **** lags. Fact. And no. This device is not faulty. Always very easy to pull the faulty card when someone challenges your precious device you've waited 2 years to upgrade to. Pathetic paupers.
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There have been several cases where users report lag and returned their phone as a defective device. Those users reported the 2nd phone as being lag free.
After the first update i experience no lag except for an occational messaging lag.
Maybe the reason you dont hear 98% of the people complain is because they dont have a problem. You're not the only one willing to open their mouth about such issue. These people are trying help you but you're insisting that your phone is some how the golden device that speaks for the rest. Things happen during manufacturing process, defective devices happen. We're a community come be respectful, contribute, enjoy your phone. The community doesnt work for anyone, so attacking it isn't going to do you any ounce of good. I hope you find the fix to YOUR problem. If that means switching phones so be it. For the rest of us we are happy with our phones and are experiencing minimal lag.
Why don't you try disabling some apps, Switching launchers and keyboards?
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