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Samsung Exynos processors are power clocked to churn extreme processing.
But what's the difference between the Exynos and Qualcomm processors that are glued on Note 2.
Who's the beast and who's the cheetah Please help me, clarify the doubt.
THANKS • JB • XD/\PP
I think the exynos is the best in it's class, always has been.
VR.gtmini said:
Samsung Exynos processors are power clocked to churn extreme processing.
But what's the difference between the Exynos and Qualcomm processors that are glued on Note 2.
Who's the beast and who's the cheetah Please help me, clarify the doubt.
THANKS • JB • XD/\PP
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http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...vs-samsung-exynos-tablet-processor-benchmarks
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http://www.google.co.in/#hl=en&scli...pw.r_qf.&fp=cbd186cbbddc8760&biw=1366&bih=673
The S4 Pro is a bit more advanced as it's architecture is newer than current exynos and wins most benchmarks, but I can't imagine any performance differences large enough you'd notice. They're close enough that optimization will be deciding factor...and it's probably correct to trust Sammy more with their own processors.
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The S4 Pro is a bit more advanced as it's architecture is newer than current exynos and wins most benchmarks, but I can't imagine any performance differences large enough you'd notice. They're close enough that optimization will be deciding factor...and it's probably correct to trust Sammy more with their own processors.
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This and the Exynos comes with a better DAC.
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Few months to go nd it will be s4 pro quad core vs exyones 5250 dual core
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I have an AT&T Note with the Qualcom hardware and an N7000 note with the Exynos hardware. To get the performance I want (no lag and good battery life), I had to root the Qualcom model and use custom ROMs. The unrooted N7000 international version runs with little lag and better battery life. It also has the hardware for FM Radio which I use all the time but no AT&T band 17 LTE.
I sincerely, hope that the AT&T Note II will have the Exynos Quad Core stuff from Samsung rather than the Qualcom hardware. You can perform all the benchmarks you want. They don't really mean that much. It's the total user experience that counts. Exynos delivers. If you want best benchmarks, buy one of the new HTC products. You'll be back to Samsung in no time.
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It's not even a question anymore. Samsung already stated in their press release that the US versions are coming with the exynos soc.
"Galaxy Note II marks the U.S. debut of Samsung’s Exynos™ 1.6 GHz quad-core processor optimized for LTE networks. It has 2GB of internal RAM; and comes with 16 GB of onboard file storage and supports up to 64GB of additional memory with a microSD® card."
http://www.samsung.com/us/news/20276
It looks like from a development standpoint, Qualcomms Snapdragon SoC is the better choice.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31873214&postcount=7773
Judging by the comments on Google Play the top games have best compatibility and performance with Exynos versus Snapdragon.
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Judging by the comments on Google Play the top games have best compatibility and performance with Exynos versus Snapdragon.
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And the most compatibility and assortment of games come from imagination technologies gpus. I want me some rogue already.
will key lime pie add another row of apps to my homescreen?
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It's not even a question anymore. Samsung already stated in their press release that the US versions are coming with the exynos soc.
"Galaxy Note II marks the U.S. debut of Samsung’s Exynos™ 1.6 GHz quad-core processor optimized for LTE networks. It has 2GB of internal RAM; and comes with 16 GB of onboard file storage and supports up to 64GB of additional memory with a microSD® card."
http://www.samsung.com/us/news/20276
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I saw this but will believe it when I see it. AT&T has had a sad history of removing features from Samsung's phones. It began with the AT&T Captivate which was a Galaxy S sans the front facing camera and the FM radio. I had to buy the Canadian Galaxy S Vibrant to get these features and have the phone work on AT&T's 3G network. (I still have this phone with it's hummingbird processor which was the predecessor to Exynos. It is running Cyanogen 10 extremely well with all features working.)
When the Galaxy SII came out for AT&T there was no FM radio or it was disabled. I bought the international version with Exynos hardware in which Samsung had put the appropriate radios for AT&T 3G and the FM radio.
I did not buy the SIII from AT&T for exactly the same reason - it had the Qualcom hardware without the FM radio. Don't get me wrong, the Qualcom hardware us good; it's just not the best. It may be easier for developers to hack. However, Samsung has done a great job of frequently updating its software for the international Exynos packing models of its phones. Samsung's software running on the Exynos hardware is arguably better than any custom ROM especially for the Note. My international Note is running the very latest stock German ROM from Samsung. It runs almost as fast as my AT&T Note that is running some of the best custom ROMs, but all the features work perfectly including the S-Pen apps and Samsung's S-Planner apps which are the best task/scheduling apps I've seen to date.
God bless Samsung for it's amazing I-Phone killing products and it's ability to hopefully, finally keep AT&T from dumbing down its US offerings.
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rambo6 said:
I saw this but will believe it when I see it. AT&T has had a sad history of removing features from Samsung's phones. It began with the AT&T Captivate which was a Galaxy S sans the front facing camera and the FM radio. I had to buy the Canadian Galaxy S Vibrant to get these features and have the phone work on AT&T's 3G network. (I still have this phone with it's hummingbird processor which was the predecessor to Exynos. It is running Cyanogen 10 extremely well with all features working.)
When the Galaxy SII came out for AT&T there was no FM radio or it was disabled. I bought the international version with Exynos hardware in which Samsung had put the appropriate radios for AT&T 3G and the FM radio.
I did not buy the SIII from AT&T for exactly the same reason - it had the Qualcom hardware without the FM radio. Don't get me wrong, the Qualcom hardware us good; it's just not the best. It may be easier for developers to hack. However, Samsung has done a great job of frequently updating its software for the international Exynos packing models of its phones. Samsung's software running on the Exynos hardware is arguably better than any custom ROM especially for the Note. My international Note is running the very latest stock German ROM from Samsung. It runs almost as fast as my AT&T Note that is running some of the best custom ROMs, but all the features work perfectly including the S-Pen apps and Samsung's S-Planner apps which are the best task/scheduling apps I've seen to date.
God bless Samsung for it's amazing I-Phone killing products and it's ability to hopefully, finally keep AT&T from dumbing down its US offerings.
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It's one thing to remove an app its another to swap an entire cpu architecture. The only reason the cpu difference was there for the gs3 was due to wireless incompatibility issues. Now that the chips support our lte infrastructure, we will see identical hardware sans maybe body color as the international version.
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I'm about 50/50 on the AT&T Note II.
Positives:
It's the evil I know - same SoC as I9300, so most of the hard AOSP bringup work has been done already
Performance beast with one of the best screens available
Negatives:
Exynos is going to suck in terms of AOSP bringups when the next version of Android comes out. Look at the Exynos 4210 - No solid reliable ICS until Samsung dropped blobs and kernel source. Look at 4412 - no solid reliable JB until Samsung dropped blobs and kernel source.
If a device has reference platform source (CAF for Qcom, omapzoom for OMAP), it has a major advantage in terms of early AOSP bringup. Of course, this advantage is negated if the manufacturer diverges significantly from the reference source (HTC is notorious for this, so is Samsung - their handsets don't even remotely match what reference source does exist. So it's going to be bad news for AOSP work unless Samsung makes major changes. I see no evidence of this - they pride themselves in withholding documentation and source code. Hell, they barely even bother with GPL compliance, at least 50% of their source releases don't even remotely match the shipping kernels on the device. (See the Tab 2 source fiasco, no Note 10.1 source drop matches any shipped kernel and in fact none of them have a reliable wifi driver, I9300 update5 source has Mali r3p0 drivers but the first Kies deployment has r2p4 drivers...)
AT&T in general... I may hold off on LTE phones until more is known about whether Straight Talk will allow the LTE capabilities of AT&T's network to be used. (My current plan is to ditch AT&T as soon as my contract is up...)
Man, i wish the oem's would get on the ics/jb train already. Finding a great phone with the software navigation buttons is tricky. Sony and asus are on board, but sony has a couple shortcomings with battery life and phone design and asus needs to release official specs on padfone 2 to seriously consider. Samsung needs to ditch the physical button already. I think they have made enough noise and made some appler's turn their heads for a second. Samsung drop the button and get with the aosp program already! Damn koreans.
will key lime pie add another row of apps to my homescreen?
Man when would this Samsung, te4(exyones5250) device release I want to see it perform
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Entropy512 said:
I'm about 50/50 on the AT&T Note II.
Positives:
It's the evil I know - same SoC as I9300, so most of the hard AOSP bringup work has been done already
Performance beast with one of the best screens available
Negatives:
Exynos is going to suck in terms of AOSP bringups when the next version of Android comes out. Look at the Exynos 4210 - No solid reliable ICS until Samsung dropped blobs and kernel source. Look at 4412 - no solid reliable JB until Samsung dropped blobs and kernel source.
If a device has reference platform source (CAF for Qcom, omapzoom for OMAP), it has a major advantage in terms of early AOSP bringup. Of course, this advantage is negated if the manufacturer diverges significantly from the reference source (HTC is notorious for this, so is Samsung - their handsets don't even remotely match what reference source does exist. So it's going to be bad news for AOSP work unless Samsung makes major changes. I see no evidence of this - they pride themselves in withholding documentation and source code. Hell, they barely even bother with GPL compliance, at least 50% of their source releases don't even remotely match the shipping kernels on the device. (See the Tab 2 source fiasco, no Note 10.1 source drop matches any shipped kernel and in fact none of them have a reliable wifi driver, I9300 update5 source has Mali r3p0 drivers but the first Kies deployment has r2p4 drivers...)
AT&T in general... I may hold off on LTE phones until more is known about whether Straight Talk will allow the LTE capabilities of AT&T's network to be used. (My current plan is to ditch AT&T as soon as my contract is up...)
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I do agree with this. It's much easier to hack and modify the Qualcom hardware. I'm running Flapjaxx's A0SP JB on my AT&T Note. It's awesome, however, I love Samsung's S-Pen and S-Planner software. I use my N7000 primarily for work with the latest stock ROM. I performs extremely well. I uswe the AT&T Note for goofing around. I wish I could put the S-Planner and S-Pen apps on an AOSP JB rom. Because the Note is so big, I like using the N7000 button on front to turn it on.
There's no doubt the Qualcom hardware has some advantages. However, for running a stock samsung ROM, the Exynos is hard to beat.
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Qualcomm is just good in benchmarks not in real life compared to Exynos
As you can see S3 US "Qualcomm Krait" gave higher scores in benchmarks as One S but actually it lags!
See from the 01:09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dByCdDVXCmQ
morning thunder said:
Qualcomm is just good in benchmarks not in real life compared to Exynos
As you can see S3 US "Qualcomm Krait" gave higher scores in benchmarks as One S but actually it lags!
See from the 01:09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dByCdDVXCmQ
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Gpu sux on dual core s4
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Despite being 32nm Vs 28nm in my experience the Exynos quad has better battery life than the S4 dual core. I own an AT&T S3 and an Exynos one, and with identical use the international one runs cooler and gets 30+ minutes more screen-on time. Both of those things will likely come down to the High-potassium metal gate technology in the Exynos - less voltage leakage=more battery, less dispersal of leakage as heat.
I would like to know whether you guys will prefer either snapdragon 600 or exynos powered samsung galaxy s4, what it'll do is making it easy for us to understand which one will have more development support, so i'll and many others will buy that one. Thanks
EDIT: Here is Exynos's Benchmark results and comparison with Snapdragon 600 powered S4 and other devices:
Octa-core Galaxy S4 benchmarks surface, live up to expectations
hspa+ in my area is solid plus att lte starting to slow up in my area, i am guessing due to more lte phones. the exynos 5 octa is better in every way it looks like and i prefer touch wiz to cm, it is more productive (imo). i hope to get it in new york when i am up there april 26th in one of the import electronic shops.
You wont find it in store here in the u.s. I prefer exynos chip too but im not getting it due to cost and no lte. Going to renew my contract and get s600 around release. Hoping to find some good deal offerings
I checked the SamMobile website and it said Australia is getting the SD600 but if I only want 3g/2g do I still have to use the SD600 variant. If I can choose I WILL go for the E5O version
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hspa+ in my area is solid plus att lte starting to slow up in my area, i am guessing due to more lte phones. the exynos 5 octa is better in every way it looks like cm, touch wiz is more productive (imo). i hope to get it in new york when i am up there april 26th in one of the import electronic shops.
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I am glad to find that people prefers Exynos more then Snapdragon 600, obviously because it's battery efficient faster, but i guess many of them have to import it, even i guess you also have to import Exynos one from Asia or other region, because i saw Samsung has shortage of Exynos, so 70% will get Snapdragon 600, but in my country there will be only i9500,
bedi.gursimran said:
I checked the SamMobile website and it said Australia is getting the SD600 but if I only want 3g/2g do I still have to use the SD600 variant. If I can choose I WILL go for the E5O version
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Yeah this is bit of setback, i wish Samsung must provide LTE Capable phone for everyone, it's not there headache whether a particular country supports it or not, can't really understand these manufacturers logic these days..my main concern is only if we get very fewer number of i9500, then of course development for them will be very minimal, and in my country we'll only get i9500
As per my country I will receive S4 9400.
BTW it is related to Q/A forum.
kataria.vikesh said:
As per my country I will receive S4 9400.
BTW it is related to Q/A forum.
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Well i don't think it's related to Q/A Answer section, i feel it should be in General, just like every other similar POLLS on xda.
if india had a choice between 9500/9505 , i would blindly choose exynos. Its not only about the raw power, but about the big little architecture. Cant wait to test it and play around it. defenitely something different than a traditional cpu .
with a7 cores used for movie play back and call and at sleep, i strongly assume the battery would last much longer than any other s4 variants.
bala_gamer said:
if india had a choice between 9500/9505 , i would blindly choose exynos. Its not only about the raw power, but about the big little architecture. Cant wait to test it and play around it. defenitely something different than a traditional cpu .
with a7 cores used for movie play back and call and at sleep, i strongly assume the battery would last much longer than any other s4 variants.
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This is the reason why i guess people are looking more towards Exynos, i.e. longer battery life, your ideas are really helping me here, my first Exynos device this S4 will be i am searching for some leak to know which 70% countries are getting SD600/i9505, i wish Asia will not
R: POLL: I9500 OR I9505, What will you buy?
In Italy I will choose I9500 version (I don't care about LTE because here it's very expensive and not widespread)
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E5O by miles.
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I'll be purchasing 19500
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I9500 because well, I don't have any other choice. There's no 4G network either in my country.
IF I buy one: I9505.
Exynos makes me mad, I'm developing AOSP ROMs.
Im suprised that people prefer Exynos. I started considering SGS4 when I saw that SGS4 with Snapdragon CPU will be available in my country
Team Hacksung wont support SGS4 anymore, so it won't get CM (at least not in short future). On other side, Steve Kondik wrote: "Since it's powered by Snapdragon, CM should work wonderfully on it." So we can assume that Exynos SGS4 won't get CM and Snapdragon will get it and will work very good, because Snapdragon is much more opened than Exynos. So when Android 5.0 is released in about 2 months, Exynos SGS4 will have to wait months for official update, while Snapdragon SGS4 will get Android 5.0 (CM) much sooner.
So for me, i9505 is the only choice.
I9500 as I already have htc one with SD600 not that there is anything wrong with SD600 also I dont use 4G so don't need a 4G capable phone.
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Im suprised that people prefer Exynos. I started considering SGS4 when I saw that SGS4 with Snapdragon CPU will be available in my country
Team Hacksung wont support SGS4 anymore, so it won't get CM (at least not in short future). On other side, Steve Kondik wrote: "Since it's powered by Snapdragon, CM should work wonderfully on it." So we can assume that Exynos SGS4 won't get CM and Snapdragon will get it and will work very good, because Snapdragon is much more opened than Exynos. So when Android 5.0 is released in about 2 months, Exynos SGS4 will have to wait months for official update, while Snapdragon SGS4 will get Android 5.0 (CM) much sooner.
So for me, i9505 is the only choice.
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no surprise here, what if they dont care about aosp? frankly the gap between aosp and stock roms are getting bigger day by day. apart from the sleekness aosp provides it is struggling hard to match the potential of stock roms(not only samsung roms,add htc and sony roms to this list).
xploidwild started a movement some time back to add more functionality to "CM". sadly i dont know the current state of that movement.
Also, the cm support for 9500 would come eventually , but its going to be harder this time with teamhacksung saying no. There are few sources of exynos 5 dual out there somewhere which might help the new cm developers.
I dont want a fully working aosp for 9500, but would be happy to see nightlies just like s2 or s3.
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no surprise here, what if they dont care about aosp? frankly the gap between aosp and stock roms are getting bigger day by day. apart from the sleekness aosp provides it is struggling hard to match the potential of stock roms(not only samsung roms,add htc and sony roms to this list).
xploidwild started a movement some time back to add more functionality to "CM". sadly i dont know the current state of that movement.
Also, the cm support for 9500 would come eventually , but its going to be harder this time with teamhacksung saying no. There are few sources of exynos 5 dual out there somewhere which might help the new cm developers.
I dont want a fully working aosp for 9500, but would be happy to see nightlies just like s2 or s3.
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Don't forget, devices which doesn't get official CM Support still gets unofficial cm ports, like Desire Z etc, we may get unofficial ports, or even cm support lately for Exynos based devices, for example note 3 etc...
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Im suprised that people prefer Exynos. I started considering SGS4 when I saw that SGS4 with Snapdragon CPU will be available in my country
Team Hacksung wont support SGS4 anymore, so it won't get CM (at least not in short future). On other side, Steve Kondik wrote: "Since it's powered by Snapdragon, CM should work wonderfully on it." So we can assume that Exynos SGS4 won't get CM and Snapdragon will get it and will work very good, because Snapdragon is much more opened than Exynos. So when Android 5.0 is released in about 2 months, Exynos SGS4 will have to wait months for official update, while Snapdragon SGS4 will get Android 5.0 (CM) much sooner.
So for me, i9505 is the only choice.
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It's actually only one member of the team who said that the others came out and said 1 member doesn't speak for the team and that as for every other phone they will never announce supporting or not supporting until a device is actually launched
S4 INFO
Someone had mention this to me so I figure I ask. Selling my S3 in order to get either an S4 or HTC One. I love the ONE but ifix just said its impossible to repair. Feel like I am force to get an S4 because of its generous and gorgeous features over a very nice looking phone like the HTC ONE.
Do you guys believe is worth getting Exynos over the Snapdragon and sacrificing LTE?
I'm on TMOBIL so ideally I would love to have the latest and greatest but at the same time I would like the LTE feature. What are your thoughts on it?
I wish the video recorder had a wide angle like the HTC One and even the S3.
F9zSlavik said:
Someone had mention this to me so I figure I ask. Selling my S3 in order to get either an S4 or HTC One. I love the ONE but ifix just said its impossible to repair. Feel like I am force to get an S4 because of its generous and gorgeous features over a very nice looking phone like the HTC ONE.
Do you guys believe is worth getting Exynos over the Snapdragon and sacrificing LTE?
I'm on TMOBIL so ideally I would love to have the latest and greatest but at the same time I would like the LTE feature. What are your thoughts on it?
I wish the video recorder had a wide angle like the HTC One and even the S3.
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There will be Exynos OctaCore with LTE
like S III QuadCore with LTE
however Samsung confirm it for some regions like S.Korea
So u can buy it and enjoy
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Samsung said 70% of the first 10 million galaxy S4 will be S600 proc because of some problems in Exynos production ...
Roms were interchangeable between all the American snapdragon S4 with a few tweaks by devs.
Most likely it will be the same case with all the sd600 Roms. So development will be easier.
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Wel if we looked at the the locations of SD600 launches we can see that SD600 is going to places where a larger portion of the developers are. In fact almost the whole of europe is getting the SD600. Not to mention the possibility of US also using SD600. So we are looking at a significant difference in user proportions and developer support tend to also follow the trend linearly.
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In a short answer is yes it will be more popular as 70% is getting quadcore.
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Wel if we looked at the the locations of SD600 launches we can see that SD600 is going to places where a larger portion of the developers are. In fact almost the whole of europe is getting the SD600. Not to mention the possibility of US also using SD600. So we are looking at a significant difference in user proportions and developer support tend to also follow the trend linearly.
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70% of the population is getting the Snapdragon, and many of the developers who worked with Exynos in the past got sick of it and are absolutely not getting another Exynos device, and most of us are ditching Samsung overall.
I only know of one developer (AndreiLux) who is confirmed to be getting an Exynos variant so far.
Didn't CM say that they would not support Exynos processors? That should say something in itself.
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Didn't CM say that they would not support Exynos processors? That should say something in itself.
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No... You need to read more carefully. CM never makes general decisions as a whole to support/not support a given device (except when a device simply needs to be dropped - the last time that happened was with ICS and Snapdragon S1 series chips because their GPUs are too weak to pass the Android CTS for ICS and later. Tegra2 devices had a close call due to lacking NEON support but they're still in for now.)
That said, none of the Exynos4 maintainer team are picking up any GS4s (we're so pissed at Samsung we're not even getting the Qcom variants, but this doesn't really matter as far as CM on those devices - see below).
Some of the Qualcomm GS3 maintainer team will be picking up Qualcomm GS4s.
So Qualcomm-based GS4s have had maintainers with direct experience with its predecessor express interest in picking up the device. CM support on the AT&T and T-Mobile variants is highly likely, CM support on international Qualcomm GS4s doesn't have a maintainer that has expressed interest yet, but differences from the AT&T/T-Mo variants should be minimal (if anything - see t0lte, one device repo is supporting international Note 2 LTE, AT&T LTE, and T-Mobile LTE versions.)
Exynos-based GS4s have had no one with prior maintainer experience express interest in the device so far. Will someone attempt it? Almost surely. Will they succeed and get it to a point where it will get M and stable builds? In my PERSONAL opinion, highly unlikely unless Samsung changes their attitude with regards to documentation.
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No... You need to read more carefully. CM never makes general decisions as a whole to support/not support a given device (except when a device simply needs to be dropped - the last time that happened was with ICS and Snapdragon S1 series chips because their GPUs are too weak to pass the Android CTS for ICS and later. Tegra2 devices had a close call due to lacking NEON support but they're still in for now.)
That said, none of the Exynos4 maintainer team are picking up any GS4s (we're so pissed at Samsung we're not even getting the Qcom variants, but this doesn't really matter as far as CM on those devices - see below).
Some of the Qualcomm GS3 maintainer team will be picking up Qualcomm GS4s.
So Qualcomm-based GS4s have had maintainers with direct experience with its predecessor express interest in picking up the device. CM support on the AT&T and T-Mobile variants is highly likely, CM support on international Qualcomm GS4s doesn't have a maintainer that has expressed interest yet, but differences from the AT&T/T-Mo variants should be minimal (if anything - see t0lte, one device repo is supporting international Note 2 LTE, AT&T LTE, and T-Mobile LTE versions.)
Exynos-based GS4s have had no one with prior maintainer experience express interest in the device so far. Will someone attempt it? Almost surely. Will they succeed and get it to a point where it will get M and stable builds? In my PERSONAL opinion, highly unlikely unless Samsung changes their attitude with regards to documentation.
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Thanks for clarifying. What do you expect from the vzw version?
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Thanks for clarifying. What do you expect from the vzw version?
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Who knows. The CDMA guys are always in their own land. I'm not sure if sbrissen did any work with the Qcom-based GS3s.
I think some of the guys who do work on d2vzw and d2spr are semi-interested, however, at least some of them are questioning whether they can justify a device purchase already, and most of them are (like myself) not fans of user donations.
There's also the fact that with each iteration, Samsung is getting much better at locking down Verizon devices. Don't count on this next iteration getting cracked rapidly.
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No... You need to read more carefully. CM never makes general decisions as a whole to support/not support a given device (except when a device simply needs to be dropped - the last time that happened was with ICS and Snapdragon S1 series chips because their GPUs are too weak to pass the Android CTS for ICS and later. Tegra2 devices had a close call due to lacking NEON support but they're still in for now.)
That said, none of the Exynos4 maintainer team are picking up any GS4s (we're so pissed at Samsung we're not even getting the Qcom variants, but this doesn't really matter as far as CM on those devices - see below).
Some of the Qualcomm GS3 maintainer team will be picking up Qualcomm GS4s.
So Qualcomm-based GS4s have had maintainers with direct experience with its predecessor express interest in picking up the device. CM support on the AT&T and T-Mobile variants is highly likely, CM support on international Qualcomm GS4s doesn't have a maintainer that has expressed interest yet, but differences from the AT&T/T-Mo variants should be minimal (if anything - see t0lte, one device repo is supporting international Note 2 LTE, AT&T LTE, and T-Mobile LTE versions.)
Exynos-based GS4s have had no one with prior maintainer experience express interest in the device so far. Will someone attempt it? Almost surely. Will they succeed and get it to a point where it will get M and stable builds? In my PERSONAL opinion, highly unlikely unless Samsung changes their attitude with regards to documentation.
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So your suggesting that we or I stick with a SD600? I hear a lot about how displeased people are about previous Exynos. I don't know much about the history but you make it osund like it was a real pain in the ass.
And why would people want to leave samsung phones? You say for not having a Qalc variant. You mean an 8 core Qualc?
True.
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So your suggesting that we or I stick with a SD600? I hear a lot about how displeased people are about previous Exynos. I don't know much about the history but you make it osund like it was a real pain in the ass.
And why would people want to leave samsung phones? You say for not having a Qalc variant. You mean an 8 core Qualc?
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It is a real pain to deal with when you don't have proper documentation to work with. Add in the fact that Samsung flat out lied to devs and you have why they are willing to leave the OEM. To be honest I think in the end most devs will end up on the nexus so they don't have to deal with closed source BS from the OEMs. How many cores the device has is not really a problem as it doesn't effect alot. I have had both of the S3 and they run the same. Mix in the fact that the extra 4 cores won't do anything for performance and android is not really able to take advantage of them. Muti level threading on android is still not up to par for anything other then a dual core device.
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70% of the population is getting the Snapdragon, and many of the developers who worked with Exynos in the past got sick of it and are absolutely not getting another Exynos device, and most of us are ditching Samsung overall.
I only know of one developer (AndreiLux) who is confirmed to be getting an Exynos variant so far.
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Thats an interesting point, to where are the majority of the Developers moving to do you know? I've actually just got the HTC One but i'm really tempted to get the S4, as i've come across a few speed bumps that for me are a bit annoying.
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To answer the question about the S4, i would say that until the octa is widely available (probably later on this year, like they did with the LTE version of the S3) it's safe to say that development for the snapdragon is going to be vastly superior in comparison.
Even if they bring out the Octa to the masses, chances are development will be so far ahead with the snapdragon then it'll be pointless getting it.
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Thats an interesting point, to where are the majority of the Developers moving to do you know? I've actually just got the HTC One but i'm really tempted to get the S4, as i've come across a few speed bumps that for me are a bit annoying.
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To answer the question about the S4, i would say that until the octa is widely available (probably later on this year, like they did with the LTE version of the S3) it's safe to say that development for the snapdragon is going to be vastly superior in comparison.
Even if they bring out the Octa to the masses, chances are development will be so far ahead with the snapdragon then it'll be pointless getting it.
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They already moved to Xperia Z
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Do you lose Samsung specific features like finger hovering if you use AOSP roms like CM?
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Do you lose Samsung specific features like finger hovering if you use AOSP roms like CM?
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Yes you lose all Samsung features
dladz said:
To answer the question about the S4, i would say that until the octa is widely available (probably later on this year, like they did with the LTE version of the S3) it's safe to say that development for the snapdragon is going to be vastly superior in comparison.
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Wont matter as Samsung refuses to release proper documentation on any Exynos chip. So even if every samsung had the same chip development would be slow going.
With Knox and the snapdragon version coming out. What are the realistic chances of getting quality custom ROMs for our awesome tablets.
thoughts?
Snapdragon? The current 2014 has a Snapdragon. Is there another version of the 10.1 coming?
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The Note 10.1 2014 only comes with a Snapdragon 800 as far as I know...
The currently released version (WiFi) of the GN10.1 2014 has an octa-core Exynos5. NOT the new Snapdragon. Considering just how much coverage went into the big.LITTLE architecture, an the various enquiries and wariness on the parts of reviewers about the Exynos Chip as compared to the Snapdragon, just how many people DIDN'T know about it?
I mean, it's a MAJOR decision maker/breaker for some people!
My thought exactly. I am considering this tablet but am worried that there will be no development since its exynos and not snapdragon.
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I have seen nothing suggest there's a Snapdragon version coming out.
That said, can someone tell me why that would halt development?
AFAIK Samsung does not release any source code for exynos stuff while Qualcomm does release code for the snapdragon processors. But I could be mistaken.
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Sorry, I thought it as common kmowledge. The wifi models have two quad core processors rather than one snapdragon 800 chip set.
The result is a component developers are not experienced in working with and no available source code (?).
The potential of the dual quad core (octa core) is huge! We just need to get devs on board.
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Sorry, I thought it as common kmowledge. The wifi models have two quad core processors rather than one snapdragon 800 chip set.
The result is a component developers are not experienced in working with and no available source code (?).
The potential of the dual quad core (octa core) is huge! We just need to get devs on board.
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Unfortunately, I don't think the price is going to help :fingers-crossed:
Honestly, The Note is the only one of my devices where I never got rid of TW. Not that I like it, I hate it and will theme it out so it's not so ugly, use a different launcher etc.. but the TW features on the note is what I buy the note for. Especially how deeply integrated the S-pen features are. Sure there are other note taking apps out there (lecture notes.. etc) but I always preferred s-note, and now on the 2014 model even more so, s-note is a lot better now. I think using an AOSP based rom on this type of device is kinda a waste but that's just my opinion. I usually will theme it out to look as much as stock android as I can.. All my other devices I'm constantly flashing stuff on. My old note 10.1 has been running the same rom for about a year. haha
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Snapdragon? The current 2014 has a Snapdragon. Is there another version of the 10.1 coming?
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Actually, both the Note 10.1 2014 Edition and the Galaxy Note III have an Exynos 5420 Octa Core-
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/Exynos/products5octa.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos
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Actually, both the Note 10.1 2014 Edition and the Galaxy Note III have an Exynos 5420 Octa Core-
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/Exynos/products5octa.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos
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You are right.
As far as the OP goes, I don't think there is any word that a snapdragon version is coming out, is there?
As far as I know, Wifi-only versions (P600) get Exynos while 3G (P603) et 4G (P605) have Snapdragon S800.
I have a 4G version and it clearly has a S800 in it.
Now looking forward to get root and remove most of Samsung bloatware...
NM, delete this.
According to this Engadget review
With the 2014 Note 10.1, you'll find yourself using one of two chips: the 3G and WiFi-only versions come with an octa-core Exynos 5420 chipset built in, while the LTE unit features a 2.3GHz quad-core Snapdragon 800.
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allan1313 said:
My thought exactly. I am considering this tablet but am worried that there will be no development since its exynos and not snapdragon.
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I wouldn't worry too much....
The previous WiFi version of the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 was also an Exynos chip, and Development for it seems to be just fine here on XDA.
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I wouldn't worry too much....
The previous WiFi version of the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 was also an Exynos chip, and Development for it seems to be just fine here on XDA.
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Good to know. I think I will wait to see what the new nexus 10 will offer and decide then.
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So I'm thinking of buying a used Note 3 because my old Note 2 died and I have a few questions. (Please answer them in order)
1)What are the different versions of the Note 3 (IK that the 4G is the snapdragon model and the exynos model is the normal note 3, am i missing something?)
2)Is there still support for both of the models?
3)Which model has better development support?
4)Does the Exynos model have AOSP support or only TW?
5)Is there any ROM for the Exynos model with S6 and/or Note 4 features?
Thanks a lot in advance!
1- there are many. But yes these 2 are main.
2- from sanmsung? Barley. Devs? All you want.
3- SM-N9005
4-both i think
5-look at development forums for note 3 and you will see.
I recommend snapdragon SM-N9005 due to better dev support here. Some great custom roms it has here.
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1- there are many. But yes these 2 are main.
2- from sanmsung? Barley. Devs? All you want.
3- SM-N9005
4-both i think
5-look at development forums for note 3 and you will see.
I recommend snapdragon SM-N9005 due to better dev support here. Some great custom roms it has here.
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Thanks! I'm happy that the community still cares about this device! I will try to get the snapdragon version but I would love if more people answered my questions so i can learn the opinions!
1- There are two versions only, hardware wise. Snapdragon and Exynos. But there are probably a zillion version for US carriers, about which I have least interest. In any case, all of them have either SD or Exynos.
2- Snapdragon, yes, Exynos, very minimal. But yes, it's great to see that some new stuffs are cooked for this old champ. But I don't think people will be interested in Note 3 for any longer, as soon as Note 5 goes official, you can think support will be near nil.
3- Snapdragon.
4- As far as I have noticed, I think there is CM for Exynos devices, don't take my word for it though.
5- No idea.
In short, get the Snapdragon version if you can.
1) The main two versions are the Snapdragon (N9005) and Exynos (N900) variant. Everything else is one of those two for a different region or provider.
2)From Samsung, the usual. (meaning, barely.). From the devs here at XDA, plenty.
3) Snapdragon always has better dev support.
4) no idea.
5) no idea, either. Sorry.
Technically the N9005 4G is the 'normal' device. Or international, or whatever they're calling it this week. This is due to the majority of the countries now having 4G. (it was the other way around 5 years ago.) The N900 3G Exynos was meant for lower-level markets that don't have 4G yet.
Keep in mind that the Snapdragon device comes with an Adreno, and the Exynos has a Mali gpu. As well as the Snapdragon having 2.3gHz, and the Exynos a meagre 1.9gHz processor. So if you intend to game on it, Adreno/Snapdragon is the way to go.
Always go for the Snapdragon version if you have the option.
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Thanks a lot everyone!