I am currently a G1 owner on the fence about rooting my phone, as are many others. One of the first issues I've come across is being overwhelmed by forum threads. Unless I have missed something (and if I did, please point me in the right direction!), everything is posted in forums here, requiring people to pour through tons of posts and pick through the right information.
Is there an official wiki or something where all the latest news, guides, FAQs, etc. are being updated? If not, I'd love to start one, but unfortunately I don't have the knowledge to do so (yet, at least). I'm thinking of a super simple, jargon-free site for users to find answers to their questions, and a simple outlined "official" process for how to begin and where to go from there.
For example, some FAQs..
Can T-Mobile/Google "cut me off" in any way if they determine I have rooted my phone?
If I change my mind later, can I go back to original firmware and leave no trace that I ever rooted the phone in the first place? Future over-the-air updates will install with no issues?
Let's say I mess up during the rooting process. Is there always a way out, or am I screwed?
How safe is storing apps on the SD card? What can happen to my phone, and how do I avoid problems?
What are the JFvX.XX firmware releases? How do they work? Are they required? Are there other alternatives?
What if a future OTA can't be hacked, will we miss out on features?
I've seen various different methods of rooting the G1, which one is the most popular and why?
etc.
This is just an idea, but there's all these questions like this that I know many people have. While these questions can easily be answered in forums, I'm looking for a more convenient solution for the community. As official answers are nailed down, it would be great to have a reference to check with rather than flooding forums with questions.
Anyway, thanks for all the hard work from the developers here. It's really exciting to follow, and I can't wait to see what the future holds for the G1!
they have one:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Dream
look first
kay11224 said:
they have one:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Dream
look first
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Thanks for the link, but unfortunately this doesn't seem user friendly (it's filled with unexplained links and jargon), and seems pretty outdated. I'm thinking about info aimed the average n00b end-user here, not developers or people actively following the forums and progress made.
I'm not sure if you understand fully what you're asking. Keeping your phone updated without "actively following the forums and progress made" is a simple task right now, just wait until Google pushes an update for you. If using the search function is too hard for you, I think root access is biting off more than you can chew. All of your FAQ's can easily be found in the development section of the forums. As far as step by step guides are concerned, read the stickies, use the search function, and then ask. It's not complicated at all.
dudinatrix said:
Can T-Mobile/Google "cut me off" in any way if they determine I have rooted my phone?
If I change my mind later, can I go back to original firmware and leave no trace that I ever rooted the phone in the first place? Future over-the-air updates will install with no issues?
Let's say I mess up during the rooting process. Is there always a way out, or am I screwed?
How safe is storing apps on the SD card? What can happen to my phone, and how do I avoid problems?
What are the JFvX.XX firmware releases? How do they work? Are they required? Are there other alternatives?
What if a future OTA can't be hacked, will we miss out on features?
I've seen various different methods of rooting the G1, which one is the most popular and why?
etc.
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1) as far as i'm aware no. They can remove apps from peoples phones (allegedly) but i can't see how they would know you have root, or even care. It's good publicity for the phone if anything.
2) Yup, you can easily un-root your phone and the updates should work correctly.
3) Once you have the hardSPL bootloader loaded it's pretty much impossible to brick your phone, see this thread for details.
4) Not sure about this, so i can't comment
5) the JF firmware releases are essentially hacked firmwares, created by JesusFreke, that allow us to get root access (among other things ). they are incredibly easy to install and they are required for certain things such as, multi-touch. as far as i know, there are no alternatives.
6) They will be as everything is open source. I imagine xda will have a firmware hacked within hours of it's release
7) personally, i find this way the best. nice n simple and easy to follow.
have fun
Iceucold said:
I'm not sure if you understand fully what you're asking. Keeping your phone updated without "actively following the forums and progress made" is a simple task right now, just wait until Google pushes an update for you. If using the search function is too hard for you, I think root access is biting off more than you can chew. All of your FAQ's can easily be found in the development section of the forums. As far as step by step guides are concerned, read the stickies, use the search function, and then ask. It's not complicated at all.
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I am perfectly capable of handling root access. I am a Linux system administrator (among other things) by profession. I admit, this would be my first attempt at "hacking" a device and thus voiding the warranty, hence my hesitation and "noob" questions. Using the search function is not my concern here, but I can appreciate where you're coming from.
What I'm talking about, and what appears to be misinterpreted, is an information source for common end users, not developers or tech-savy users. If I have questions about rooting the G1, certainly those less technically inclined do as well. And unfortunately for them, they don't necessarily even know where to begin looking. I'm talking about people like my brother in law, for example... who probably never used a forum in his life, but wants to have multi-touch on his phone, or change his themes, or find a solution to his constant "low storage" warnings. People like him don't care about hacking into the phone and getting all this flexible access for himself. They just want to take advantage of what's already been achieved, but unfortunately require root to do so.
I agree that it is pretty simple to root the phone, but face it you have to be somewhat comfortable with technology first, even just to obtain the information.
Perhaps now isn't the appropriate time to wrap things up in a bow and give to the general G1 user base in a tidy little easy-to-digest package. As things develop further it may just naturally come about, perhaps via installers or something. I just think it would be helpful to many to have a source written for the common folk with jargon-free information... considering the more people get their hands on it, the more successful the platform can become.
And to Metlus, thanks for being receptive and answering my questions kindly without making me feel judged for asking what I assume many think is a "just search for it" type of post.
Meltus said:
1) as far as i'm aware no. They can remove apps from peoples phones (allegedly) but i can't see how they would know you have root, or even care. It's good publicity for the phone if anything.
2) Yup, you can easily un-root your phone and the updates should work correctly.
3) Once you have the hardSPL bootloader loaded it's pretty much impossible to brick your phone, see this thread for details.
4) Not sure about this, so i can't comment
5) the JF firmware releases are essentially hacked firmwares, created by JesusFreke, that allow us to get root access (among other things ). they are incredibly easy to install and they are required for certain things such as, multi-touch. as far as i know, there are no alternatives.
6) They will be as everything is open source. I imagine xda will have a firmware hacked within hours of it's release
7) personally, i find this way the best. nice n simple and easy to follow.
have fun
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Great post meltus!
If and when you do decide to root g1 take your time and breathe, really isn't too hard just nerve racking the first time. I did it and im not a pro at all so you will probably breeze through it! The advancements made so far are unreal, auto browser, themes and many more make rooting well worth it in my opinion
I'm not sure if it gets any easier than this, but gizmodo today posted what looks like the easiest "recipe" yet for rooting the G1:
How To: Hack Android For Multitouch Web Browsing on the T-Mobile G1
Hey guys so from what i see there's 2 ROOT options
MOTOCHOPPER VS CHAINFIRE (CF)
whats the difference, which one is better, (i plan to install custom roms and stuff later...being new to android)
please let me know
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Oh come on....what makes you ridiculous and people ignoring you is the font 6 red text in your posts. I've seen this question made by you in other thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=40871551#post40871551) but with the same layout. If you would write normal (as nobody is blind here), in only one place and be more patient I'm sure you could have the answer already. Also the "bump" things in 1 hour intervals makes you more kiddy.
You should know that rooting is rooting, doesn't matter how you do it, the importance is to work. There is no difference between the two root methods as there is no differences between your last 2 posts on this forum or between the above two "bumps". I would feel more comfortable with CHAINFIRE because he's the best one in doing this. I answered you in the hope that you would not make my eyes bleeding again.
demlasjr said:
Oh come on....what makes you ridiculous and people ignoring you is the font 6 red text in your posts. I've seen this question made by you in other thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=40871551#post40871551) but with the same layout. If you would write normal (as nobody is blind here), in only one place and be more patient I'm sure you could have the answer already. Also the "bump" things in 1 hour intervals makes you more kiddy.
You should know that rooting is rooting, doesn't matter how you do it, the importance is to work. There is no difference between the two root methods as there is no differences between your last 2 posts on this forum or between the above two "bumps". I would feel more comfortable with CHAINFIRE because he's the best one in doing this. I answered you in the hope that you would not make my eyes bleeding again.
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thanks ... YOU MAD !!! DIE EYES DIE
Hope I'm posting it in the right section.
Well, recently I've bought a S4 I9505 and I'm trying to understand all about it, including terms and features related to the OS and the device itself.
Looks like I've joined a new world and I don't know anything about it. I would like to own my phone, and I found that I could do that by rooting. Since I've noticed it, I've made some researches, but it didn't help me to clarify my mind and I still do have a lot of questions. I've heard about the KNOX and if I root it i could possibly trigger it. I've found some articles regarding how to root it w/o triggering the KNOX, but in most of these articles there are some users saying it didn't work for their phones and it's triggered now. So, the question is, is there anyway of rooting it with no chances of violating the KNOX?
What do you recommend for new smartphone users to know and learn about to become their android devices' master?
Thanks in advance.
Read everything twice....and flash once.
Does anybody have an advice? Thanks.
ThiagoRFA said:
Does anybody have an advice? Thanks.
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Hmmm.. you have joined by the wrong phone (samsung) in the wrong (KNOX) time.
In the past, Sammy was giving the silent permission to do with the phone what you wanted to. nowadays, we have the Knox (in the recent bootloaders/ROMS incapable to downgrade).
Well, first step would be rooting. BUT, you have the choice between the Knox violation, privacy violation (kingo root) or not to root.
Read all of it. It may take more than one day. Make your choice WISE.
As the old Romans said: "Quidquid agis, prudenter agas and respice finem" what in free translation would be:
Whatever you want to do, do wisely, and face the consequences.
Good luck.
From trying to educate myself on rooting my S5, I feel like it is much more difficult than older phones. So many different versions of the phone and each one seems to have a different set of instructions...I want to slap a nice, fast, light rom onto it, but damn. I'm intimidated.
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fffft said:
No, it isn't. In fact it's one of the easier phones to root. You would know that if you had read even a handful of threads.
Simply reading half a dozen sticky threads and a tutorial or two would answer most of your questions. Your questions have been asked and answered countless times in existing threads too. So a search would provide you with even more targeted answers. There is nothing hard or very intimidating at all unless you refuse to read a few threads. If you don't want to do that, then ask a personal friend to root your phone. Or pay a cellular shop to do so.
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Finally someone gets it.
For the sake of clarity it should be said that it is hard to root S5 with a recent firmware without tripping Knox.
33a
Also, I can't root my S5 because the kernel is too new (and the model doesn't have an older one). Seemed to be a lot easier with my S4 ages ago.
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^^^ What he said.
Easy peasy.
Old HTC's used to rely on witchcraft..... dark rituals and moon phases.
The S5 truly is easy peasy. It's just a bit daunting tweaking your state of the art 500 quid technical masterpiece. What's the worst that can happen......?
sent from my Nokia 3310.!!!
There's so many different ROM's and Kernels and whatnot I'm lost.
I have an untouched 4.4.2 SM-N9005 and I want to get a Note 5 ROM or something new and flashy.
I want to keep the stylus functionality and a new camera would be neat too.
Could someone give me a quick rundown of what I need to do? (Root method? Bootloaders? Kernels? Which ROM? Patches? Xposed?)
Sorry, I'm so lost.
PS. I don't care about knox.
Would be better if you ask, if somebody can come to your place and flash your phone for you.
What you're asking for, is really the minimum basic knowledge you should have to flash your device.
And if you didn't get it from the numerous explanations and tutorials on the Web, will you get it now ?
I'm sure, someone will spoon feed you with the information, but will you then manage not to brick your device ?
You have some serious reading to do to catch up.
Good luck.
Actually as you can see I've been a member here for many many years and have rooted many phones and mod all kinds of electronics as well as many many other things.
It's not a matter of not knowing or bothering to do the research it's simply a matter of not having time at the moment. I have so many other things taking up my time I just thought someone could save me and anyone else who has been waiting for a good rom some time with a brief rundown on what they've found is best.
I'd love to try out all the different recoveries, roms, kernels et all but like I said, no time.
Android Development Darklord port .
Sorry no time for further .
Thank you that's the one I'd been watching but it's been on 2.1 for a fair while, perhaps with camera issues (op says so but people in the 1000+ page thread seem to say it's fixed? ) and every second post seems to mention some new fix or kernel required. Also I noticed there are some other note 5 ports now.