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N9005 self restarted

I don't know what is wrong with my Note3 N9005 it restarted by itself without any reason. It happened twice in this week already. I have been using it since the beginning of March bought it brand new on ebay.
The current FW is 4.42. I am suspected the cause is the apps I dowloaded but just don't know which one. Does any one have any ideas?
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Hi.
I had same problem - even 2-3 restarts per day. In my case, someone of these apps caused problem (i installed them every time I wipe phone or install firmware, doesn't matter custom or stock).
1. Timely
2. Facebook
3. Facebook Messenger
4. Mx player
5. Plantronics hub
6. Cyberon Voice Commander Pl
Since few days I'm on stock XUENC2 ETL firmware, and I only upgraded stock apps and istalled shazam. In next few days i try to install Cyberon.

I think mx player could be the culprit. I say this because I have 3 different players on my phone. Every now and again when I use them my phone goes into spasm!
It stops paying anything, I lose all sounds then gradually I lose the ability to use my phone until I restart it.
I've had it Sent to Samsung but it returned with same problem.
I now only use one player and as yet it's not done it since. .
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Uninstall all apps you installed just before it started? And then re-add them one by one until it starts rebooting again. Then you'll know which.

Samkee007 said:
I don't know what is wrong with my Note3 N9005 it restarted by itself without any reason. It happened twice in this week already. I have been using it since the beginning of March bought it brand new on ebay.
The current FW is 4.42. I am suspected the cause is the apps I dowloaded but just don't know which one. Does any one have any ideas?
Sent from my Samsung Note3 N9005 Using XDA Premium Mobile
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My N9005 (BTU) was rebooting 3 or 4 times a day 'til I tried this. Worked for me.
System Settings
WiFi
[Capacitive Menu] Advanced
Un-check "Scanning always available"
.. hope this helps.

pcoulson said:
My N9005 (BTU) was rebooting 3 or 4 times a day 'til I tried this. Worked for me.
System Settings
WiFi
[Capacitive Menu] Advanced
Un-check "Scanning always available"
.. hope this helps.
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I am gonna try it. My phone restarted again today and it was sitting inside my belt case I heard the restarting sound, So it was self restarted even it was not in use, wow!
My previous phone was a China made ZOPO ZP990 before that was OPPO Find 5 both didn't do self restart like this and both are cheaper than Note 3 but the Note 3's been giving me the self restarting, lagging even hangs like a computer a few times. I think I should email Samsung and see what they say. Thank you for your idea tho.

Samkee007 said:
I am gonna try it. My phone restarted again today and it was sitting inside my belt case I heard the restarting sound, So it was self restarted even it was not in use, wow!
My previous phone was a China made ZOPO ZP990 before that was OPPO Find 5 both didn't do self restart like this and both are cheaper than Note 3 but the Note 3's been giving me the self restarting, lagging even hangs like a computer a few times. I think I should email Samsung and see what they say. Thank you for your idea tho.
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I have many posts about this device rebooting randomly and freezing. I believe the problem is the RAM. You see, I don't suffer from this problem anymore, not by unchecking this and removing that or by factory resetting but because I have my phone set to "noop" and "performance" [300-2265] in SetCPU. I did this so that the RAM doesn't really get a chance to "keep" a process running for too long. It forces the phone to do what is has to immediately and with all the necessary processing power is can muster.
Battery life? I get 20+ hours comfortably unless the screen brightness is set too high, which is a "duh" in my opinion.
If you do a search for "freezing" or "random reboots" you will see that you aren' alone.

Sorry for writing it another time, but from my experience, this and other topics with freeze and restart problem, are hard to find.
After few months of crashing, and restarting, I send my Note to service center on warranty with knox 0x1. They changed mainboard. Currently testing, but it seems to be ok right now.
Freeze and rebots, restarts of Note 3 have to be HARDWARE FAILURE
I tired everything, diffrent roms, setcpu settings, with no success.

my LG G2 keeps turning off itself....pls help

My lg g2 D802 is on stock latest firmware 4.4.2 D80220c and not rooted either... only have 5 games and some social apps from google play.. now the problem is its keeps shutting off itself twice or 3 times a day not even while using.... not sleeping total off.... its a new phone only used 2 weeks... first 10 days it worked fine n smooth...now it acting up like this recently...pls advice what to do

deadbody2 said:
My lg g2 D802 is on stock latest firmware 4.4.2 D80220c and not rooted either... only have 5 games and some social apps from google play.. now the problem is its keeps shutting off itself twice or 3 times a day not even while using.... not sleeping total off.... its a new phone only used 2 weeks... first 10 days it worked fine n smooth...now it acting up like this recently...pls advice what to do
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found this online : support.sprint.com/support/article/Troubleshoot_when_your_LG_G2_slows_freezes_or_turns_off_unexpectedly/WTroubleshootingGuide_542_GKB59094
hope it helps ..
I'm sorry this is happening to you, the G2 is a very powerful phone in all aspects .. hope yours gets repaired

zain555 said:
found this online : support.sprint.com/support/article/Troubleshoot_when_your_LG_G2_slows_freezes_or_turns_off_unexpectedly/WTroubleshootingGuide_542_GKB59094
hope it helps ..
I'm sorry this is happening to you, the G2 is a very powerful phone in all aspects .. hope yours gets repaired
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thanks for replyzain555... but your link says invalid....
now for my problem,,,
-i did factory reset twice and wiped out everything but phone still seems shuts off itself
-than rooted my device and installed custom recovery twrp 2.7 and wiped everything dalvik/cache/system/data flashed cloudy g3 1.2 rom but the phone seems shutting off more frequntly now and once it shuts off it doesnt want turn on for 2, 3 minutes
for you guys more info ...... my phone never fall off or banged with with anything...bought it on 14 august 2014..im very careful about my phone.. and there was not a single shutdown on first 8 days... .im feeling its hardware issue now
pls give me more advice...

I think you have a bad device. I think you should exchange your device for new G2 or send it for fixing.

sai777 said:
I think you have a bad device. I think you should exchange your device for new G2 or send it for fixing.
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Flashed back official kdz firmware D80220b SEA firmware but the problem is becoming worse its hardly stay on for 5 mins now....Its even dont take charge while in shutdown mode...all charging light if off.... Im guessing, can it be a battery issue?
update...
handed over to the showrom from where i bought...but they also having hard times to find the problem.....

deadbody2 said:
Flashed back official kdz firmware D80220b SEA firmware but the problem is becoming worse its hardly stay on for 5 mins now....Its even dont take charge while in shutdown mode...all charging light if off.... Im guessing, can it be a battery issue?
update...
handed over to the showrom from where i bought...but they also having hard times to find the problem.....
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It's a hardware problem. Exchange it for a new one.

Black screen of death on Pure stock

I have two Nexus 4 phones and both are 100 % stock but have unlocked bootloader. Both at random get the black screen of death and I have to reboot by holding both volume buttons and power. Is this a known bug with stock?

Are you on lollipop? From what I can gather, this is a known issue among some of the lollipop users.

lolcakes203 said:
Are you on lollipop? From what I can gather, this is a known issue among some of the lollipop users.
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Yes stock 5.0.1 thank you I was afraid it was a hardware issue

Same happened to me twice already

Zehlek said:
Yes stock 5.0.1 thank you I was afraid it was a hardware issue
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did you got OTA or flashed factory image
If you got it through OTA then do a factory reset..it is even recommended by Google..
Factory reset will NOT wipe your rom back to kitkat.

I flashed factory images

Yeah, Google should be coming out with a fix soon, until then I'm afraid the only options are to roll back to KitKat or live with it. Perhaps try experimenting with a custom kernel designed for AOSP like Franco or matr1x?

My advice is flash a good custom ROM & kernel, then wait for the 5.1 update

There is a list of known bug with 5.0.2, 5.0.1 and 5.0.0 ?

You should flash CM12, no black screen of death here, i had it on Stock Lollipop like you

Mashed_Potatoes said:
You should flash CM12, no black screen of death here, i had it on Stock Lollipop like you
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Flashing now

https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=79942
This is the issue that is raised in the issue tracker. I have this problem, the only way to stop it from dying is to keep a constant wake lock on the device which drains battery. I might have to try a custom ROM over the weekend to see.
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https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=79942
This is the issue that is raised in the issue tracker. I have this problem, the only way to stop it from dying is to keep a constant wake lock on the device which drains battery. I might have to try a custom ROM over the weekend to see.

Same problem on mine. Sleep of death at random, especially when charging the device. Also, rebooting while doing onerous tasks (such as time lapse recording or GPS navigation).
v5.1.1 seems to have reduced the chances for these problems to occur, but I still happen into them. And if you set a wake up alarm on the phone and it goes into sleep of death during the night, it is not pleasant at all.
I've sent the Nexus 4 to LG tech support because of the power button that is not working correctly, and mentioned the other two problems, even if I don't think LG can do anything on issues that seem to be software related.

Thank you, Lord! I though it was just me. The bug can be reproduced if you try to upload a video in Facebook Messenger app. The black screen is 100% guaranteed.

Mavasilisk said:
Thank you, Lord! I though it was just me. The bug can be reproduced if you try to upload a video in Facebook Messenger app. The black screen is 100% guaranteed.
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I've just done that a hour ago, that didn't happen.
BTW in the meanwhile since my last reply I've sent my Nexus 4 to customer service two times, the second time was because LG Italia didn't fix the button issue, while they replaced mainboard and battery. During that week before sending the smartphone back to CS for the second time, I've never experienced a SOD (updated via OTA from 4.3 to 5.1.1, being under Lollipop for the whole week).
I've had it back two days ago, chart saying battery and mainboard have been replaced again, button has (finally been fixed) and... ta-dan! Another SOD yesterday, after 24 hours of activity (after a while afternoon of OTA updates from 4.3, again.
I'm glad to see that in the meantime the Issue 79942 has been moved to requesting more info first and assigned then. But that Priority-small makes my nose writhe...
I'm wondering if one can fix it by flashing a different kernel. I can't read of people suffering from SOD on, say, CM 12.1, so it's likely that a different ROM won't have this issue, who knows about only switching kernel.

I had stock SOD for a while, keeping a wake lock active stopped it but did eat through battery. Flashing hells-Core kernel (leaving the rest stock) fixed the issue for me, no wake lock needed.
I am currently using hC-b83-L with no issues, and no SOD.
You can pick it up here if you are interested:
https://drive.google.com/folderview...sharing&tid=0B77BTW0zStYCSTRIYWpZQS1nOWs#list

I've had this happen a few times. Also I've had a few reboots while listening to music using Google play music.
I've been using LMY48I for a long time now and just dirty flashed the system.img of LMY48T 2 days ago. Will have to see if this has solved it.
What bugs me alot more is how the Google camera still does not work...
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It's been a couple of days since I've removed all of the widgets from the desktop and no SOD since then. Will post updates about this and then try to re-insert widget one by one.
Someone else ever tried this yet?

Note 4 freezes and restarts issue! Ultimate thread

Hello everyone,
I've had my note 4 over two years now and out of nowhere problems started happening after second MM update, model SM-N910F was freezing and restarting and sometimes was not able to boot normally and got mmc read fail.
I'm reading a lot about this problem in other forums and here, so hope someone could help about this issue.
No Success:
I tried anything from removing sd card, removing sim card, changing the battery, resetting the device, cleaning the cache, flashing the room through odin, flashing the rom with pit file and doing a re partition (Didn't tried Nand erase).
Success:
The only way that I was able to fix the freeze issue was by installing app called Wake Lock and enabling PARTIAL_WAKE_LOCK.
But using Wake Lock has its disadvantages. First of all you need to run the app all times which its not practical and second it wipes your battery because it keeps device and processor awake.
Please join this thread anyone who has similar issues with the aim to fix or bring the phone to an usable state again.

I also purchased my GN4 about 2 years ago and just recently got this error. This is really fishy. Wouldn't be surprised if it was Samsung trying to screw over all the root users and get us to upgrade to newer models.

The Sponge said:
I also purchased my GN4 about 2 years ago and just recently got this error. This is really fishy. Wouldn't be surprised if it was Samsung trying to screw over all the root users and get us to upgrade to newer models.
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Did you tried Wake Lock if it works? Which model of GN4 do you have ?

shpeendi said:
Did you tried Wake Lock if it works? Which model of GN4 do you have ?
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Yes, I'm on the Canadian SM-N910W8 model of GN4.
I've been using the Wake Lock app for a few days now and it works perfectly, if you can get the phone to boot into homescreen that is.
For instance, when the phone shuts off due to low battery or an inevitable crash, sometimes getting the phone to boot up is a real pain in the ass because it doesn't boot up correctly most of the time.
However, one odd fix I've discovered is to put your phone and battery in the fridge for about 2-3 minutes and let it cool down completely. And then magically your phone will boot up properly to homescreen again. Activate Wake Lock and you're pretty much good until the next time your phone shuts off and can't boot. My phone will NEVER boot up to homescreen if it is even slightly hot in temperature. In order to boot, it needs to be cool.
I am highly confident that this is indeed a hardware issue, instead of a software issue. The mainboard fails to read memory properly which probably indicates that the mainboard needs to be replaced. I however cannot afford to do this so I hope that I can last atleast 2-3 years of my GN4 surviving through Wake Lock. :crying:

The Sponge said:
Yes, I'm on the Canadian SM-N910W8 model of GN4.
I've been using the Wake Lock app for a few days now and it works perfectly, if you can get the phone to boot into homescreen that is.
For instance, when the phone shuts off due to low battery or an inevitable crash, sometimes getting the phone to boot up is a real pain in the ass because it doesn't boot up correctly most of the time.
However, one odd fix I've discovered is to put your phone and battery in the fridge for about 2-3 minutes and let it cool down completely. And then magically your phone will boot up properly to homescreen again. Activate Wake Lock and you're pretty much good until the next time your phone shuts off and can't boot. My phone will NEVER boot up to homescreen if it is even slightly hot in temperature. In order to boot, it needs to be cool.
I am highly confident that this is indeed a hardware issue, instead of a software issue. The mainboard fails to read memory properly which probably indicates that the mainboard needs to be replaced. I however cannot afford to do this so I hope that I can last atleast 2-3 years of my GN4 surviving through Wake Lock. :crying:
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I really don't think it's an hardware issue but even if so, why this started to happen immediately after the update and why it only happens when the device goes to sleep or when we power on the device.
I also noticed the change on bootloader fonts and interface after the update. I'm suspecting that the problem is there.
Does any one has any thoughts about this?

It's a hardware issue. It's a bad nand issue in fact. You can find Reddit posts a mile long about it.
Anyways it will slowly get worse over time. Had to replace the main-board in my SM-N910W myself.

ciscostud said:
It's a hardware issue. It's a bad nand issue in fact. You can find Reddit posts a mile long about it.
Anyways it will slowly get worse over time. Had to replace the main-board in my SM-N910W myself.
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Is there any reason at all why it is happening I mean for the nand issue. I don't like the answer that is motherboard fault and we should replace it, which probably means replacing the phone. Is there anyone who can see deeper into the motherboard to find the issue. I also insist that this started to happen immediately after the second MM update.
I still have an IPhone 3G from 2008 and never changed anything on it. Isn't that ironic ?

shpeendi said:
Is there any reason at all why it is happening I mean for the nand issue. I don't like the answer that is motherboard fault and we should replace it, which probably means replacing the phone. Is there anyone who can see deeper into the motherboard to find the issue. I also insist that this started to happen immediately after the second MM update.
I still have an IPhone 3G from 2008 and never changed anything on it. Isn't that ironic ?
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It was a Bad batch of nand chip that started to go bad after a year or two. Note 4s started to drop like flies before April.
I think your in the 1st stage of Loss and Grief. 1st stage is denial.

If thats so than Samsung should repair our phones under warranty and not tell us we have to pay for the repair coz we installed custom roms.

The Sponge said:
Yes, I'm on the Canadian SM-N910W8 model of GN4.
I've been using the Wake Lock app for a few days now and it works perfectly, if you can get the phone to boot into homescreen that is.
For instance, when the phone shuts off due to low battery or an inevitable crash, sometimes getting the phone to boot up is a real pain in the ass because it doesn't boot up correctly most of the time.
However, one odd fix I've discovered is to put your phone and battery in the fridge for about 2-3 minutes and let it cool down completely. And then magically your phone will boot up properly to homescreen again. Activate Wake Lock and you're pretty much good until the next time your phone shuts off and can't boot. My phone will NEVER boot up to homescreen if it is even slightly hot in temperature. In order to boot, it needs to be cool.
I am highly confident that this is indeed a hardware issue, instead of a software issue. The mainboard fails to read memory properly which probably indicates that the mainboard needs to be replaced. I however cannot afford to do this so I hope that I can last atleast 2-3 years of my GN4 surviving through Wake Lock. :crying:
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same issue here, exactly as described above...
any way to push Samsung to admit bad batch and fix it for us with no charge?

golden_m said:
same issue here, exactly as described above...
any way to push Samsung to admit bad batch and fix it for us with no charge?
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I've already swaped a few main-boards. Ive even put a international exynos n910c main-board in a broken canadian snapdragon note 4 and its works perfect.
If anyone needs help just pm me.

ciscostud said:
I've already swaped a few main-boards. Ive even put a international exynos n910c main-board in a broken canadian snapdragon note 4 and its works perfect.
If anyone needs help just pm me.
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I would be more interested in understanding how come so many Note 4 devices started acting up around same time mark...

This is definitely a hardware problem with the motherboard. Mine started giving the same symptoms 2 weeks after the 6.01 upgrade. Wakelock made it stable but after Samsung replaced the motherboard it is so much faster and no issues at all. I wonder if this is a faulty NAND issue whether the 6.01 upgrade and the way it manages memory could have triggered it. Certainly strange but it need Samsung to fix it.

I am also having same problem.
I was using custom rom and it was working fine without any lag or freeze suddenly one day my Note fall from bed to ground and since then it is not working properly i thought its the ROM so i reverted back to stock MM rom flashed via odin.
Reset everything erased everything but the problem remains same.
At present i am on stock with hardly any apps just FB and whatsapp.
But my device is so slow and keep lagging and sometimes it becomes very hot and restart itself.
I dont know what to do now. i m on 910 G snapdragon.

anasrizvi said:
I am also having same problem.
I was using custom rom and it was working fine without any lag or freeze suddenly one day my Note fall from bed to ground and since then it is not working properly i thought its the ROM so i reverted back to stock MM rom flashed via odin.
Reset everything erased everything but the problem remains same.
At present i am on stock with hardly any apps just FB and whatsapp.
But my device is so slow and keep lagging and sometimes it becomes very hot and restart itself.
I dont know what to do now. i m on 910 G snapdragon.
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Sorry to hear that, as for now jut install wake lock and enable partial_wake_lock so you can use your device until it fails completely

Mmm. I was thinking to root my phone (4month old still under warranty ) i think i changed my mind after reading this ?. Thank you guy's for the warning
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Same issues, I downloaded the wake lock and so far so good.

I have the same issue also guys and it started a week after updating to Marshmallow.
Phone worked perfectly fine for 2 years prior to this. So I highly doubt its a hardware issue and more likely a software/firmware problem.
Phone seems to have issues whenever the screen is asleep (hence why the wake lock app seems to help with this problem although not a proper solution)
I'm hoping Samsumg can release a patch fix for this as I truly love my Note 4 and would like to keep it for some time yet.

have anybody tried going back to Lollipop?

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have anybody tried going back to Lollipop?
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I was thinking about that! but I saw on other threads people downgrading with no success.

Note 4 N910F shutting down with no reason.

Hello! I've been using my Note 4 since its launch with no issues. 2 days ago the phone started acting weirdly. It would shut down without any reason. It doesn't go back to Samsung logo, it just shuts down without any warning. The strange thing is that when the screen is black I can feel 2 weak vibrations if I push the power button briefly. If I hold the power button the phone will boot normally. I've tried everything: system/cache/memory wipe, flashed new bootloader and kernel, I've tried 3 different batteries and tested that the phone is not overheating. I'm out of ideas right now. Can someone help me with that issue?

Same here. I'm suspicious of the recent Google Play updates (protect, services, instant apps, assistant etc.), but I don't know for sure.

macmobile said:
Same here. I'm suspicious of the recent Google Play updates (protect, services, instant apps, assistant etc.), but I don't know for sure.
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Is there anything I could try to see if that's the problem?

It's the same for me. I try to reinstall with all the possibility, nand erase, pit, firmware in 4 part.
Ever the same
( SM-N910F_1_20170720074440_bfv77row9m_fac)
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Rom

Last sudden shut down 7 hours ago. So far it's doing ok. Some hiccups here and there, but nothing to write home about. If there's another spontaneous shutdown, I'm ready for a factory reset.

I don't know, sometimes it shuts down and sometimes it reboots. 3 reboots and 2 shutdowns today so far. I'm starting to think that the issue might be hardware related.

RexpertOfficial said:
I don't know, sometimes it shuts down and sometimes it reboots. 3 reboots and 2 shutdowns today so far. I'm starting to think that the issue might be hardware related.
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Could be, you never know.

Try this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1PaxEr76KY
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.thedarken.wl

My SD card was automatically deactivated after the last reboot. Let's see if there's any improvement.

Eudemony said:
Try this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1PaxEr76KY
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.thedarken.wl
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Nope, still no improvement. It might be an issue with the baseband. When the connection is down or LTE+ is stable it won't reboot/shut down. When I'm in an area with weak LTE connection it reboots when switching to Edge.

macmobile said:
My SD card was automatically deactivated after the last reboot. Let's see if there's any improvement.
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Please let me know if anything changes.

The device feels indeed much faster again. Since my SD card was close to full, it might be the reason for all of these issues.

RexpertOfficial said:
Nope, still no improvement. It might be an issue with the baseband. When the connection is down or LTE+ is stable it won't reboot/shut down. When I'm in an area with weak LTE connection it reboots when switching to Edge.
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Ok, weird! You can turn off edge in settings but I guess that doesn't really help you.
what I would do next is dirty flash the same firmware using odin (which will keep all your apps/data)
Are you using official firmware or custom?

Experienced another reboot even without the SD card. It's about time to flash the original firmware again.

Eudemony said:
Ok, weird! You can turn off edge in settings but I guess that doesn't really help you.
what I would do next is dirty flash the same firmware using odin (which will keep all your apps/data)
Are you using official firmware or custom?
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Custom. I'm using Ramrom v11 with RamKernel. I forced the phone in WCDMA only (H+) and I didn't have any issue since then. I'm also using the latest modem version. Looks like it could be a problem with LTE switching to Edge.
Yesterday I performed the 5th full wipe and flashed the ROM again. Still got the problem when the LTE signal is weak.

macmobile said:
Experienced another reboot even without the SD card. It's about time to flash the original firmware again.
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I doubt it would solve your problem. I mean I've been wiping and flashing ROMs for 3 days without solving anything. Give it a try, maybe it'll work for you.

You're right. No success. Any suggestion what to do next? Edit: Will contact Samsung support tomorrow. [emoji24]

macmobile said:
You're right. No success. Any suggestion what to do next? Edit: Will contact Samsung support tomorrow. [emoji24]
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It seems that my phone doesn't like my home. It only reboot indoor with LTE enabled.

Went to the Samsung Customer Service. Mainboard damage, most likely eMMC, they didn't say exactly. 300 Euros for repair.

If it happens after update 6.0.1 then
Remove battery and put your phone in front of AC for 5 min and then insert battery and try to start it .
After that install wakelock and keep your cpu awake
Hope this helps