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[Q] Can root get updates?

Newbie question for sure, but I really am thinking of rooting my Iconia. Will I lose the ability to get expected updates?

I guess we'll find out, but you can always undo the root (using Gingerbreak) if the need comes

Yea, unless they specifically added something to detect root and stop updates you can. Worst case you can get someone to send you the update.zip when it's out and you can flash it yourself.

just DO NOT uninstall any apps that came with the device as doing so usually prevents the update from working.

Why wouldn't root be able to get updates?
Root is simply what the developers would have access to in order to develop certain things and denying them updates wouldn't make any sense.

Sounds Like Something Apple Would Do!
Title says it all.

Thanks all. I appreciate the info.

does an update factory reset?
How about for those of us that have renamed / deleted the phone.apk and telephony.apk files, I wonder if an update will factory resest and possibly brick the device?

[Answered] How to restore with Titanium backup (at least once) but still allow OTAs?

I have rooted other devices, and I understand the benefits...but there is a bit of a pain. Once you root your device, the way I understand it, you need to wait for an OTA update to be made available via a developer here. Now that usually happens pretty quickly, so that's not the issue. However, usually when you get an update OTA, you don't have to reinstall all your apps again, set up your screens, etc. When you take an update from here, you usually do need to reinstall everything.
If I want to avoid that, and let OTAs happen as they should, is there an easy and right way for me to get Titanium Backup to restore but keep that ability? Do I unlock the bootloader and root, then unroot but leave the bootloader unlocked? It isn't clear, and there seems a lot of noise when people ask, about what you can do that would still allow OTAs. Some seem to say you can take them, others suggest you can't. I have searched, and it is confusing. I would love to know if someone really knows, or could cite a post or article that I may have missed. I know I could loose root in that process, I get that risk. I just want to understand my options.
It is, as an aside, so painful that Android has not properly dealt with backup and restore and migrating apps/data from one device to another in the OS. That seems such a gaping hole that Apple has filed, and one big reason (not always the only one) I seem to end up rooting a device right away. I suspect I would root eventually, but probably wait a bit except for this.
Thanks

RoboCuz said:
I have rooted other devices, and I understand the benefits...but there is a bit of a pain. Once you root your device, the way I understand it, you need to wait for an OTA update to be made available via a developer here. Now that usually happens pretty quickly, so that's not the issue. However, usually when you get an update OTA, you don't have to reinstall all your apps again, set up your screens, etc. When you take an update from here, you usually do need to reinstall everything.
If I want to avoid that, and let OTAs happen as they should, is there an easy and right way for me to get Titanium Backup to restore but keep that ability? Do I unlock the bootloader and root, then unroot but leave the bootloader unlocked? It isn't clear, and there seems a lot of noise when people ask, about what you can do that would still allow OTAs. Some seem to say you can take them, others suggest you can't. I have searched, and it is confusing. I would love to know if someone really knows, or could cite a post or article that I may have missed. I know I could loose root in that process, I get that risk. I just want to understand my options.
It is, as an aside, so painful that Android has not properly dealt with backup and restore and migrating apps/data from one device to another in the OS. That seems such a gaping hole that Apple has filed, and one big reason (not always the only one) I seem to end up rooting a device right away. I suspect I would root eventually, but probably wait a bit except for this.
Thanks
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Why not just unroot get the OTA and reboot? It's so easy with the toolkit you could even relock and unlock at the same time if necessary
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That's a good idea...I guess I hadn't thought of that...but unlocking and relocking would wipe the device, no? If I am going to wipe the device to get the OTA, then I would just proceed through the "normal" way of waiting for someone to release the update in a ROM and flash it. I would just like, in some way, to treat this device like an appliance, and not worry about OTAs bricking my phone, or needing to reinstall everything to get the latest...I just want to start off restoring some of my apps from another device, and then (maybe) just let the updates take their course. I know I could change my mind later and start ROMing, but I just wanted to understand my options....I know I wipe the device when I unlock, so assumed that would happen each time. And I wasn't sure if I needed to unlock to JUST get root, if I am not planning on flashing ROMs. And can I just root,and then use OTA rootkeeper if necessary, and allow updates?
So I guess the questions are:
- Do I need to unlock to root?
- Once I have done what I need to use Titanium (unlock and root or just root), can I take an OTA update, or do I need to undo some or all?
- If I undo some or all, will that incur a wipe?

I think I figured this out...I found the manual for the Nexus Root Toolkit (www.wugfresh.com/dev/nexus-root-toolkit/), and that spells out a LOT of really clear information.
I think I would:
- unlock
- root and install CWM
- use Titanium, etc.
Later, if an OTA comes out I want to allow:
- probably do full CWM backup
- flash stock recovery
- install and run OTA Rootkeeper
- allow the OTA, knowing I might loose root
- reflash CWM
I think this shouldn't cause any issues. This assumes I am basically running stock, and just using root for backup/restore app stuff with Titanium and maybe Root Explorer.
Make sense?

Root Question

Okay so I just have a few questions about rooting my phone before I do it, since I saw the root here that works for the most recent OTA update.
1) If someone happens with my phone (either bricking it from rooting or something inconsequential) will they not replace my phone due to it being rooted?
2) If they won't replace it due to being rooted (if it wasn't bricking), is there an easy way to unroot the phone?
3) I can't tell from the instructions, but I'm pretty sure some others have said that it might require you to restore factory settings, does this one require that?
4) The thread says that it is now impossible to unlock the bootloader, does this also mean that you can't use a custom ROM? How exactly do you add a ROM?
Sorry for all the questions, I've never rooted an android device before, and I don't have the time or energy to go running around Google/forums trying to find these answers.
Thanks in advance!
EDIT: yes I know i've already asked 2 of these questions, but I'm a stupid poop who needs validation.

wholocked10 said:
Okay so I just have a few questions about rooting my phone before I do it, since I saw the root here that works for the most recent OTA update.
1) If someone happens with my phone (either bricking it from rooting or something inconsequential) will they not replace my phone due to it being rooted?
2) If they won't replace it due to being rooted (if it wasn't bricking), is there an easy way to unroot the phone?
3) I can't tell from the instructions, but I'm pretty sure some others have said that it might require you to restore factory settings, does this one require that?
4) The thread says that it is now impossible to unlock the bootloader, does this also mean that you can't use a custom ROM? How exactly do you add a ROM?
Sorry for all the questions, I've never rooted an android device before, and I don't have the time or energy to go running around Google/forums trying to find these answers.
Thanks in advance!
EDIT: yes I know i've already asked 2 of these questions, but I'm a stupid poop who needs validation.
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first, rooting your voids the warranty, so technically, they (either VZW or Motorola) are not obligated to replace it. that being said, you can always play dumb and say that you accepted some OTA install, and now the phone won't boot up. usually, VZW will try to restore the phone, and if not, they'll replace it - no worries.
2.) I believe there is an unroot method, but I have not explored this. try doing a search on this forum for "unroot razr m"
3.) restore factory settings could unroot - check the threads
4.) you can still install a custom ROM, but you'll need to install Safestrap first. however, the custom ROMs available for SS are out-dated, and I don't think that any devs will be providing any going forward. however, I would not be too discouraged by this, as the phone is very solid stock. so rooting is the key to remove the bloatware to help increase battery life, increase performance, and reduce excess data usage.
hope this helps.

[Q] Root and Updates

Greetings,
I'm kind of new to the rooting procedure, so I am having a few questions regarding that topic. I used chainfires method to root my S5 and it worked just great.
However,
1) I am no longer able to get updates Over The Air, which, as far as my research went, is unavoidable. Is this correct?
2) However, from what I read, I can still get updates via KIES, regardless of being rooted. Correct again?
3) If I decided to do that, my root access will be lost again. Correct again?
4) SuperSU Pro has a feature that it will try to protect root access during OTA updates. Will this (probably) work on these updates as well?
5) If I lost root due to an update - can I just repeat the same procedure with the same files chainfire provided to unlock root again or will this not work with the update generally?
Thanks for helping me out!

bump. I'd like some info on this as well.

1) yes
2) yes
3) yes
4) never know, may or may not work.
5) yes

im not sure about kies myself, i always find it faster and safer to use odin.
yeah u can always reflash chainfires root over the top of updates as long as its the right firmware ie. sm-g900x

Thanks for your help! It is much appreciated.
An additional question, though:
6) Is there an additional (ie more than just performing an Over The Air update unrooted) risc of loosing my data in the process?

Firedragonweb said:
Thanks for your help! It is much appreciated.
An additional question, though:
6) Is there an additional (ie more than just performing an Over The Air update unrooted) risc of loosing my data in the process?
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in what process? if OTA update then No, but for any other flashs then Yes.

[Q] New Phone and Re-Rooting

So I'm going to be getting a new phone here soon (the replacement is in the mail, the power button shorted out on this one) so I'm going to need to re-root and stuff. My question is kinda stupid. I'm assuming if I make a full backup of my phone right now and flash it on the new phone, it's not going to do the rooting stuff, right?
Like I said, stupid question but it's all software in my head so I wanna make sure before I go through the whole rooting process and such xP

If you backup is rooted, then when you restore it's also rooted.

Lennyz1988 said:
If you backup is rooted, then when you restore it's also rooted.
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Awesome! I thought I might have to go through the whole root process to make anything work. Thank you!!