Is everything worth it? - Verizon Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I realize root has been achieved through Towelroot and that our bootloader will most likely never be unlocked which is perfectly fine by me cause unlocked that can cause trouble but my question today is if I'm on the Edge program, is it worth it to root my S5? Anyone else here on Edge and feel comfortable with rooting?

I'm on edge as well and rooted the same day I got the S5. Are you thinking problems with the trade in if and when you do it? As long as you return the phone to completely stock prior to trade in I highly doubt you'll have any issues.

chrisbass said:
I'm on edge as well and rooted the same day I got the S5. Are you thinking problems with the trade in if and when you do it? As long as you return the phone to completely stock prior to trade in I highly doubt you'll have any issues.
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I was going to say the same. As long as you Unroot it and return all variables back to stock, you should be fine.
You can make a recovery of Bone Stock I believe and flash back to it when you are ready to trade.. Though I won't be upgrading for some time. <3 Thank you VZW for my Unlimited Data.

kprice8 said:
I was going to say the same. As long as you Unroot it and return all variables back to stock, you should be fine.
You can make a recovery of Bone Stock I believe and flash back to it when you are ready to trade.. Though I won't be upgrading for some time. <3 Thank you VZW for my Unlimited Data.
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Ok sounds good. I just wanted to make sure others on Edge who took advantage of root were comfortable with it. Thanks

roghitmanx47 said:
Ok sounds good. I just wanted to make sure others on Edge who took advantage of root were comfortable with it. Thanks
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Just to reaffirm, I'm on the Edge program too and Odined back to stock a few times with no problems. I plan on keeping this phone anyways.

Misterxtc said:
Just to reaffirm, I'm on the Edge program too and Odined back to stock a few times with no problems. I plan on keeping this phone anyways.
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Okay thanks! I can now root in even more confidence. Anyone know forsure if the recent firmware update today has crushed Towelroot? I haven't taken the update yet.
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roghitmanx47 said:
Okay thanks! I can now root in even more confidence. Anyone know forsure if the recent firmware update today has crushed Towelroot? I haven't taken the update yet.
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Yes it did. Don't take it.

Misterxtc said:
Yes it did. Don't take it.
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Ok thanks for the heads up!
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Verizon 2.3.3 ota changelog??

I just received the ota for 2.3.3 and cannot find a thing anywhere about that has changed. I have noticed the facebook integration is not there and I now have mediahub. Ither than that I am finding nothingness.
Someone please help me out with this. Its getting me really irritated.
On another note there has been one bug I noticed was fixed: the screen going all tweaky when you try to type when its plugged in.
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Didn't even realize 2.3.3 was being distributed by Verizon now. Happy day!
TheAugust said:
Didn't even realize 2.3.3 was being distributed by Verizon now. Happy day!
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Yep. I didn't know either. I have no service where I work and when I git in my car and got like 2 miles away I saw a download in progress. Low and behold it was 2.3.3. Build # is 3.0.1.E.0.88
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how's this panning out for unlocked bootloader / rooted r800x people? Don't wanna brick anything :/
I'm not rooted on my play. Ever since the issues I had with verizon on my fassy I think I'm gonna stay away for the 1st year of contract.
Sorry I cant help you on that subject.
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Carriers don't typically release changelogs at all.
zerojay said:
Carriers don't typically release changelogs at all.
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Verizon usually lists the bug fixes in a pdf.
And on a further note, there is nothing on their site stating about any updates
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meleii said:
Verizon usually lists the bug fixes in a pdf.
And on a further note, there is nothing on their site stating about any updates
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I'm hopping on the Verizon Site now, and i'll see if they'll be so kind as to respond in a forum (sometime) about this update.
Yea my phone tried to do it as well. I stoped it though because im unlocked and on an rooted/debloated stock rom and worried it could cause problems. Not that I could not fix mind you, but it would requre me borrowing a computer as I do not have one
If anyone takes the plunge from a similar position I would love to hear storys
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looks like i will be one of the first idiots to try and OTA update my unlocked bootloader and rooted VZW play...
yea if you are unlocked and rooted don't do it, phone wont even turn on.
fun fun...
JasonKnight said:
looks like i will be one of the first idiots to try and OTA update my unlocked bootloader and rooted VZW play...
yea if you are unlocked and rooted don't do it, phone wont even turn on.
fun fun...
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Ouch, that's lame. Do you have recovery accessible?
TheAugust said:
Ouch, that's lame. Do you have recovery accessible?
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wont even let me set the phone up to let me use fastboot.
looks like i bricked my phone.
went looking thru the menus, first thing that stands out
AUTO BRIGHTNESS HAS A CHECK BOX!!! WE CAN TURN IT OFF!!!
update 2: Swipe is built in!
Holy moley, I might update my phone! If I lock my bootloader that is!
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well this sucks... I don't have a phone now...
paxChristos said:
went looking thru the menus, first thing that stands out
AUTO BRIGHTNESS HAS A CHECK BOX!!! WE CAN TURN IT OFF!!!
update 2: Swipe is built in!
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I'm not sure how I feel about the included version (3.6.84.26668.26670.1638.Verizon), since it's missing the custom dictionary of added words. The overall look is different, which is fine, and I like the numbers having the top row.
JasonKnigh said:
twell this sucks... I don't have a phone now...
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=(
How did you guys get the update?
TheAugust said:
I'm not sure how I feel about the included version (3.6.84.26668.26670.1638.Verizon), since it's missing the custom dictionary of added words. The overall look is different, which is fine, and I like the numbers having the top row.
=(
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im just gonna go ahead and put this right here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1126358
Phone works again
JasonKnight said:
im just gonna go ahead and put this right here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1126358
Phone works again
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Must have been a ****ty experience. Hopefully people read through the thread and is warned not to make the same mistake.
Do not ota update your phone if you had unlocked your phone.
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Cl8rs said:
How did you guys get the update?
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OTA (you need to be on data, not wifi)
Update: After playing around a little bit, I realized i have slightly better signal!
Note: tried fastbooting and unlocking bootloader, but all i succeeded in was draining my battery...
Now it's time to try gingerbreak...
update: tried gingerbreak 2x for 20 minutes apiece, on a non formatted then formatted sd card, and got nowhere ...

New S4

I was going to upgrade tomorrow. The guy at the store said they got a shipment of S4s two days ago. Does anyone know if the devices are shipping with MF3 yet? Anyone who got a new one recently have any info?
Also, if it doesn't have MF3, do I have to do anything to keep it from installing? I saw some people saying not to use the phone til I'm home and can root it and freeze the update app. They claim the upgrade will automatically happen without my consent. Other people claim the upgrade requires user approval.
Thanks guys, I really want root so this is a deal breaker for me The guy at the store assured me all phones get updates when I asked if they were up to date. I didn't want to elaborate I didn't want that though haha.
blastagator said:
I was going to upgrade tomorrow. The guy at the store said they got a shipment of S4s two days ago. Does anyone know if the devices are shipping with MF3 yet? Anyone who got a new one recently have any info?
Also, if it doesn't have MF3, do I have to do anything to keep it from installing? I saw some people saying not to use the phone til I'm home and can root it and freeze the update app. They claim the upgrade will automatically happen without my consent. Other people claim the upgrade requires user approval.
Thanks guys, I really want root so this is a deal breaker for me The guy at the store assured me all phones get updates when I asked if they were up to date. I didn't want to elaborate I didn't want that though haha.
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If you are fortunate enough to get an S4 with AMDL firmware, then I'd root it and freeze the AT&T updater with Titanium Backup. Keep in mind, you'll probably want to flash a custom rom because the stock AT&T software is so laggy it almost makes the device unusable.
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If you are fortunate enough to get an S4 with AMDL firmware
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I don't plan on buying it if it doesn't. I just want to make sure it stays that way. I don't want to drive home, pull it out of my pocket, and discovered it auto-updated or some other horrible thing.
blastagator said:
I don't plan on buying it if it doesn't. I just want to make sure it stays that way. I don't want to drive home, pull it out of my pocket, and discovered it auto-updated or some other horrible thing.
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I don't think it can automatically update unless you agree to it. But be careful with the very clueless at&t reps, because they might actually update your phone for you.
Check the box. It will show the firmware revision number right on it. I recently got my replacement through Asurion, and it was MDL.
And yeah, like the others said, don't let him/her update the phone. They may wish to place test calls, but as soon as you have it in-hand, just turn off Mobile Data and the WiFi. You don't need those to place test calls.
Thanks. I have 14 days to bring it back even if things go horribly wrong. However, I am trading in my Infuse which I won't be able to get back. So I'm not sure what I'd do if I had to go down that road.
Aou said:
Check the box.
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Thanks!
I'll report back tomorrow. To confirm: MDL and MDB are both good, MF3 is bad?
Aou said:
Check the box. It will show the firmware revision number right on it. I recently got my replacement through Asurion, and it was MDL.
And yeah, like the others said, don't let him/her update the phone. They may wish to place test calls, but as soon as you have it in-hand, just turn off Mobile Data and the WiFi. You don't need those to place test calls.
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This is correct. Says it right under SGH-i337. Mine says: SW-VER: i337UCUAMDL
I am using hox and i will change it to the s4 cuz i would like to change my battery.
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blastagator said:
Thanks. I have 14 days to bring it back even if things go horribly wrong. However, I am trading in my Infuse which I won't be able to get back. So I'm not sure what I'd do if I had to go down that road.
Thanks!
I'll report back tomorrow. To confirm: MDL and MDB are both good, MF3 is bad?
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Correct. MDL and MDB are fine, but if your on MDB I am not sure if the update for MDL will come through. MDB was absolutely horrible, beyond horrible actually. Everything lagged, everything was choppy, and the modem sucked. MDL was an improvement, but nothing drastic. I hear MF3 is really good, it just kills root and loki.
MattMJB0188 said:
Correct. MDL and MDB are fine, but if your on MDB I am not sure if the update for MDL will come through. MDB was absolutely horrible, beyond horrible actually. Everything lagged, everything was choppy, and the modem sucked. MDL was an improvement, but nothing drastic. I hear MF3 is really good, it just kills root and loki.
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It is possible to manually use Odin to get up to MDL version. Let it be known that the MF3 patch will check to be sure you are on MDL at least, so I can't see that they would pull that OTA any time soon.
As a last resort, I have a copy of the MDL update that you could theoretically just flash with a custom recovery.
ROM Suggestions? I'm prepping for tomorrow's surgery. Speed would be number one priority. Also I like lockscreen clock and % battery in the top bar. Other than that, I'm not picky.
I eyeballed goldeneye but it doesn't seem to have % battery, and it retains TW, which most people seem to dislike?
Be wary of speed. It's the enemy and number one culprit of many problems here on xda. If you're device is running MDL, simply make sure it is charged and pull the sim. Then begin your rooting, etc. Check out the I337 guide in my signature. All steps are important.
Touchwiz roms are in Android development, aosp roms are in original Android development. Cheers
xBeerdroiDx said:
Be wary of speed. It's the enemy and number one culprit of many problems here on xda. If you're device is running MDL, simply make sure it is charged and pull the sim. Then begin your rooting, etc. Check out the I337 guide in my signature. All steps are important.
Touchwiz roms are in Android development, aosp roms are in original Android development. Cheers
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Ah sorry, speed of the ROM and thus my phone. I'm not trying to rush through the steps and brick my phone ; )
I got my s4 today via best buy and no mf3
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I updated mine and am pretty content with it. It is much smoother than the original software and the phone overall works great. I guess if you want an unlocked s4 you need to buy the Google one or a Canada one if possible.
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Whoops, sorry!
In case anyone is curious, the ATT store told me they got this batch in a couple days ago, and they were all MDL.
blastagator said:
Whoops, sorry!
In case anyone is curious, the ATT store told me they got this batch in a couple days ago, and they were all MDL.
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Congrats!!! Root it before you put your sim card.
Check this root method out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2297033
MattMJB0188 said:
Congrats!!! Root it before you put your sim card.
Check this root method out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2297033
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I used : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2314494
Super noob friendly : )
blastagator said:
I used : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2314494
Super noob friendly : )
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That'll work. Try out the rom GoldenEye

[Q] Root Before Activation?

My wife and I likely upgrading our phone's in the next week, maybe sooner. Getting her an S4, and myself likely the Note II.
I was wondering that if I had the phones mailed me, etc. Can I root the device before it is activated?
I don't see why not so long as you remain on a stock ROM
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Personally i would get them activated first then root just in case you ran into any problems.
I would wait. Sometimes activation forces a hard reset (especially if you call Sprint when hands-free won't work) and therefore you'd be starting from scratch all over again.
Esoteric68 said:
I would wait. Sometimes activation forces a hard reset (especially if you call Sprint when hands-free won't work) and therefore you'd be starting from scratch all over again.
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Yeah this is what happened to me when I activated online with them. Wasn't expecting it but at least only had it for all of a hour so could not do much lol
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Ok, thanks guys,
I just didn't know if it would matter or benefit to root first before activation. So I guess I'll just active them first and then root.
Any recommended Rom's for the Spring S4?
ptmuldoon said:
Ok, thanks guys,
I just didn't know if it would matter or benefit to root first before activation. So I guess I'll just active them first and then root.
Any recommended Rom's for the Spring S4?
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Currently running Sac's custom rom. I love it so far. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2359590 Using it with the KT kernel.
If your looking for non TW liquidsmooth looks great. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2347002
+1 for Sacs rom
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+1 for Sacs rom
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Ok, guys.. Looks like 4G may finally be rolling out in the buffalo ny area, so likely upgrading the wife to the S4 tonight, and myself likely the Note II.
Its been a while since I had to root anything. So can anyone provide any tips or howto's to rooting the S4 and then installing Sac's rom?
ptmuldoon said:
Ok, guys.. Looks like 4G may finally be rolling out in the buffalo ny area, so likely upgrading the wife to the S4 tonight, and myself likely the Note II.
Its been a while since I had to root anything. So can anyone provide any tips or howto's to rooting the S4 and then installing Sac's rom?
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I would suggest waiting until activated to root. Sprint has the S4 set up to hard reset upon activation.
Rooting guide is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2257101
Most ROMs will have a how-to-install in the OP of the thread. There are a lot of good dev ROMs out there, but I'm personally running stock rooted. Stock is so good I really don't have the urge to flash a ROM to make things better.

Possible AT&T N3 Safestrap?

I thought that this video would give some hope to the AT&T N3 community. Looks like the Verizon N3 is going to get (or got) a program called Safestrap which is allowing them to install custom ROMs and other things on their version of the N3. This should be made applicable to the AT&T version soon. It may not be as flexible as a unlocked bootloader but does give some hope of being able to have the phone the way you like it.
http://galaxynote3root.com/galaxy-n...-custom-rom-using-safestrap-on-galaxy-note-3/
Yea it's been a while homie... The creator of it is working on trying to achieve it in our device as well
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Jayster0966 said:
I thought that this video would give some hope to the AT&T N3 community. Looks like the Verizon N3 is going to get (or got) a program called Safestrap which is allowing them to install custom ROMs and other things on their version of the N3. This should be made applicable to the AT&T version soon. It may not be as flexible as a unlocked bootloader but does give some hope of being able to have the phone the way you like it.
http://galaxynote3root.com/galaxy-n...-custom-rom-using-safestrap-on-galaxy-note-3/
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Oh man let's hope for the best. This is all kind of new to me having these issues. Even my One X was a pain in the ass, but not THIS bad with unlocking.
Will safe strap include being able to flash a kernel? That's honestly the #1 reason for an unlocked bootloader for me. I love playing around with cpu and gpu parameters trying to achieve best battery to performance. Plus faux123 has his kernel and coming from it with a nexus 4 I wish I had it on this device.
Safe strap will not allow kernel flashing. Only ROMs. It high-jacks boot up and redirects the device to boot from a secondary partition you create on the internal memory. You will lose space on internal memory to use safestrap. Although the Verizon folks (me included) have been able to overwrite the factory partition to avoid space lose. If you want to flash kernels you need to drop the 700 dollars on development edition of the phone. I can't believe how dead the development thread is for this device I was just looking for some options for a friend of mine who just got his AT&T N3.
I got more jelly beans than jelly belly, on my S3, S4, and both my Notes
Guess I should have stuck with nexus. Oh well ill trade the ability to flash kernels and roms for a removable battery and an sd card and large screen.
I'm pretty sure the DEVS within these forums will eventually find a way to crack the system. It's just a matter of time and patience.
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Jayster0966 said:
I'm pretty sure the DEVS within these forums will eventually find a way to crack the system. It's just a matter of time and patience.
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I don't think that's ever going to happen. This is sad but it looks like the Note 3 (At&t Version) will never have an unlocked bootloader. There is no way around it.
I will never buy another At&t phone again in my life. I will never buy a Samsung device again in my life.
I'm done with them both. I hope their happy. This is what they want.
LuckyColdJohnson said:
I don't think that's ever going to happen. This is sad but it looks like the Note 3 (At&t Version) will never have an unlocked bootloader. There is no way around it.
I will never buy another At&t phone again in my life. I will never buy a Samsung device again in my life.
I'm done with them both. I hope their happy. This is what they want.
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Got to have patience man. It's only been 2 months since the phone launched. I understand it is taking a long time...but it will get done.
tropazr said:
Got to have patience man. It's only been 2 months since the phone launched. I understand it is taking a long time...but it will get done.
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I would be shocked, but thanks. I hope your right because this sucks. I want to run Jedi bad.
tropazr said:
Got to have patience man. It's only been 2 months since the phone launched. I understand it is taking a long time...but it will get done.
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I have a locked S4 and have been waiting since I got it the wait will be long.
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LuckyColdJohnson said:
I don't think that's ever going to happen. This is sad but it looks like the Note 3 (At&t Version) will never have an unlocked bootloader. There is no way around it.
I will never buy another At&t phone again in my life. I will never buy a Samsung device again in my life.
I'm done with them both. I hope their happy. This is what they want.
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Agreed +1
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Will be a nice xmas gift to have an unlocked bootloader. 3 month mark should be a good gauge as to whether it will ever happen
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C'on where's the faith in our community of developers? :good:
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C'on where's the faith in our community of developers? :good:
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They're still trying to unlock the dx. I had one. I did get used to just flashing roms, it's not that bad.
9wire said:
They're still trying to unlock the dx. I had one. I did get used to just flashing roms, it's not that bad.
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good news...
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/105617-safestrap-for-the-n3-vzw-and-att-testing-started/?p=1567258

Root needed

So lets get an head start on the ROOT for LG G5 ATT. I have started working on it and any help I can get will be appreciated.
I've been poking around a bit, but the thought of needing another kernel for root of marshmallow is kinda out if my knowledge. Main step is to find a way around the boot loader.
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If you guys are legit i would totally throw some cash at whoever cracks this baby open
I googled a bit on this topic, most people say Oneclickroot works but I hadn't tried it cause I don't really have faith in too much automation, also I love the process of rooting the phone myself
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If you guys are legit i would totally throw some cash at whoever cracks this baby open
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Same here, how do we start a funding campaign for rooting the LG G5
boksquare said:
I googled a bit on this topic, most people say Oneclickroot works but I hadn't tried it cause I don't really have faith in too much automation, also I love the process of rooting the phone myself
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one click root does not work
a_akash said:
one click root does not work
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Too bad then
boksquare said:
Too bad then
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no **** Sherlock
T-Mobile thread has a post with root and flashed twrp...
eloko said:
T-Mobile thread has a post with root and flashed twrp...
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I saw, At&t is just a lot harder.
so no one is working on a root for att?
I was just thinking that as well, I think we might be screwed. I can kang roms, but that's as far as my mind goes lol.
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so no one is working on a root for att?
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T-Moblie got root couple weeks ago... Hopefully, ATT will get the same in the next upcoming months
has anyone tried this root method?
Has anyone tried the method at: http://www.thecountrycaller.com/295...tall-twrp-custom-recovery-on-marshmallow-601/
If so, can anyone share their experience?
MRMNYC said:
Has anyone tried the method at: http://www.thecountrycaller.com/295...tall-twrp-custom-recovery-on-marshmallow-601/
If so, can anyone share their experience?
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The H830 is the T-Mobile variant. Those files are for the T-Mobile variant as well. If you did this on our AT&T H820, it'd brick the phone. Do NOT attempt this.
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The H830 is the T-Mobile variant. Those files are for the T-Mobile variant as well. If you did this on our AT&T H820, it'd brick the phone. Do NOT attempt this.
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Thank you! This is why this forum rocks -- the article said ATT so I was excited, but, I'm glad you pointed this out before I tried.
Hey guys, I'm considering getting the G5 on ATT. Is anyone working towards root still? Seems pretty quiet around here...
falkon114 said:
Hey guys, I'm considering getting the G5 on ATT. Is anyone working towards root still? Seems pretty quiet around here...
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I doubt the AT&T G5 will be getting root anytime soon, or at all. The S7 Edge now has root for AT&T, get that phone. Much better phone anyways IMO with it's bright, beautiful Super AMOLED display.
I already pulled the trigger on the G5... Got it today. My Note 4 has ruined me for Samsung. My LG G3 outperformed the Note 4 in every way except taking pictures despite the Note having 'better hardware' and being newer.
Since it's dead in the G5 forums and S7 has root, devs, and roms, I think i'm going to [sadly] trade.

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