Explain lack of Google Wallet Tap n Pay? - Verizon Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Can someone explain to me exactly why google wallet will not work with Note 3 running KitKat???
I do NOT want that ISIS junk
Thanks in advance!

One word, Verizon.
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I really wish someone would mod it, although I'm not sure if Wallet has support for NFC SIM cards, or if there is even a difference in the way the Android sees the NFC hardware.

badboyg200 said:
Can someone explain to me exactly why google wallet will not work with Note 3 running KitKat???
I do NOT want that ISIS junk
Thanks in advance!
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You are not alone. What it boils down to is this, Our NFC chip is capable of tap to pay, but requires essentially drivers, google has not added the ones for this chip in stock android but some manufacturers have, including Samsung. Unfortunately the N3 came out just a hair too early to ride that train.
mexiking713 said:
One word, Verizon.
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Not this time...
adoublearonn said:
I really wish someone would mod it, although I'm not sure if Wallet has support for NFC SIM cards, or if there is even a difference in the way the Android sees the NFC hardware.
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Have a look at Jasmine rom, it is a complete S5 port and because it uses the same NFC chip as us, it may just be our foot in the door for tap to pay. 2.0 allowed you to set up tap to pay, but it did nothing at the check out, I am hoping it will work in 2.2.

What note 3 has tap to pay? What carrier note 3?

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Nfc on gnote n7000

Hi Gurus,
Is there any possibility that we can get NFC feature on GNote in near future?
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Nope.
It needs hardware that the N7000 doesn't have.
Buy the LTE version if you want that.
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you can in the not toooo far future get SIM cards with build inn NFC...don't know how far inn the future that is yet though...
I was sure NFC was built in the Note. I'm surprised it isn't. I bought the Note thinking to keep it for a long time but now I'm disappointed because I'm sure I saw it advertised almost everywhere that the Note has NFC. %@C*//
abstract123 said:
I was sure NFC was built in the Note. I'm surprised it isn't. I bought the Note thinking to keep it for a long time but now I'm disappointed because I'm sure I saw it advertised almost everywhere that the Note has NFC. %@C*//
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I think I saw it on one of the teardown videos. It is not used however.
senectus said:
Nope.
It needs hardware that the N7000 doesn't have.
Buy the LTE version if you want that.
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Buy the LTE (AT&T) Note for NFC.
BTW if they do release a sim card capable of holding a NFC chip, your after market Alloy back will block it from working...
Also that Moneto link looks scammy to me, "Booster stickers" are complete bull****.
In fact If the sticker has any metal in it it'll make it harder for the NFC Arial to pickup any signal.
rahool_26 said:
Hi Gurus,
Is there any possibility that we can get NFC feature on GNote in near future?
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I'm sure you can as the NFC chip is built into the actuall battery not the phone it self here check out the link for your self its not that expensive http://www.exportprive.com/en/samsu...eb615268vk-eb615268vucstd--8806071790138.html
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abstract123 said:
I was sure NFC was built in the Note. I'm surprised it isn't. I bought the Note thinking to keep it for a long time but now I'm disappointed because I'm sure I saw it advertised almost everywhere that the Note has NFC. %@C*//
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Just get the nfc Offical battery for the Galaxy note
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Will the NFC battery work on the N7000?
Has anyone tested?
FRlTZ said:
Will the NFC battery work on the N7000?
Has anyone tested?
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yeah it should work just as any other nfc chip on simcard etc - but on gingerbread there is no application that support it yet
Anything else required other than the battery? I thought the att note had nfc hardware onthe battery cover?
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lol, you have no idea how NFC works do you?
The NFC is NOT built into the battery, Its a part of the main-board and Snapdragon architecture
see pics here:
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/63911416-post3899.html
this is simple.
you either buy the Korean Model (not recommended)
or you buy the LTE Snapdragon model
or you live without NFC and buy the N7000 (Exynos chipset) International version.
I gotta ask, what exactly are you guys using nfc for? Trying to figure out the hype. Please be as detailed as possible.
What the heck does the NFC battery do since the "NFC enabled" ones have the the extra connections for the anntena
intruda119 said:
I gotta ask, what exactly are you guys using nfc for? Trying to figure out the hype. Please be as detailed as possible.
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Basically:
-You can store your information like for say your credit card info on your phone and if you find a NFC enabled payment device like seen in Toys R Us or Best Buy you can just scan your phone instead of having to pull out your card all the time. This replaces your card entirely.
-Android Beam: Let's you exchange information by putting two phones with NFC in them to exchange info like videos, pictures, links, and making payments(It's not made yet, but probably in the future).
These two are the only uses I could think up of right now that is right now available in the U.S. In other countries you can use them as bus passes too like in South Korea.
Android Beam only works in ICS at the moment..
suffices
intruda119 said:
I gotta ask, what exactly are you guys using nfc for? Trying to figure out the hype. Please be as detailed as possible.
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I know what I want to use it for in the future - context sensitive app launchers!
Sony is going to push this hard - look for sony nfc smart tags on Amazon.
Are you guys really that comfortable to store all that personal information on a smartphone?
Maybe later for me.
Well, If your using the Android pattern lock you should be safe, as even FBI can't break it
The NFC ready battery I think is that it has a NFC antenna, the chip is on the phone itself I believe...
Correct me if I'm wrong..
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Well, If your using the Android pattern lock you should be safe, as even FBI can't break it
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LOL
I'm sure when NFC is ready for prime time the note 2 maybe 3 will be out already.
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Google wallet and AT&T S3

Is there, or will there be a way to use google wallet on the non sprint S3s? With or without root or rom?
There has to be some info on this out there. Is Google Wallet just a gimmick or will this really take off? If so I would think AT$T and Verizon being bigger providers than Sprint, there would have to be the ability to get these to work with it.
wiz4769 said:
There has to be some info on this out there. Is Google Wallet just a gimmick or will this really take off? If so I would think AT$T and Verizon being bigger providers than Sprint, there would have to be the ability to get these to work with it.
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there is info on this, if you search.
wallet is only support officially by sprint. the rest of the carriers you will have to find the modded apk for wallet.
(also, i hit the thanks button accidentally instead of 'quote' on your post, so free thanks for you!)
I searched, but anything that comes up is about Sprint having it and AT&T not...But at least I know that it will be possible at some point.
The question is if the At&t version has a secure element. If it doesn't, then there is no chance.
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How do we go about finding something like that out? If they are wanting their version of the s3 to work with some other "google wallet" type system, it would seem it would have all the same requirements. I dont see them killing the ability completely, just had the software side removed. But who knows what these guys will do these days.
Att is developing their own system with some other carriers called ISIS. Probably not a chance to get Google wallet working on the att version.
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wiz4769 said:
Is there, or will there be a way to use google wallet on the non sprint S3s? With or without root or rom?
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I would try this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1365360
EDIT: That only works on rooted devices, my bad
Having to root it is not a big deal, I just wanted to know it was possible to use it if the need came up. Right now I dont think NFC payments are big enough to consider a must have, but if the day comes that 8 of 10 shops use some sort of nfc payment system it will change my mind for sure. I just like to know that I can do something. Im sorta waiting to root as well Its running like a champ and everything that i use daily is working without a root. Once a nice easy one click is out that will not trip the counter I will go for it, or if some app or ability that I just have to use requires it. But just enjoying the phone for now as is
I am rooted still doesn't work on i747 just hangs on activating
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Maybe now that so many are getting this phone we will see some work being done to figure this out.
to get it to work you will need to fudge the phone into thinking it's connected with Sprint using Market Enabler or equivalent. That's I had to do on my G Nexus in canada.
so, for some reason, i installed it, it loads but i get this message, and just stopps.
"Initializing your device. this make take a few min...... blahh blahh.. "
thats it..
Worked for me on Canadian sgs3...
I'll try post instructions for it tomorrow evening.
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Google Wallet?

Hi, I'm new to the LG brand of phones, but I've had just about ever other brand. I wanted to know if LG phones have been able to use Google Wallet, and if someone can test Google Wallet on a VZW G2. I'm thinking about picking it up as my upgrade soon, but also was considering the GS4 since I know I can get wallet to function on that easily. Obviously I know information on this at this point is going to be scarce, but I hope someone can shed some light on this for me!
bb12489 said:
I wanted to know if LG phones have been able to use Google Wallet, and if someone can test Google Wallet on a VZW G2.
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I tried to load google wallet yesterday with no success. ISIS wallet installed fine but would not work with my older SIM w/o NFC security element
So it would not install for you ?
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bb12489 said:
Hi, I'm new to the LG brand of phones, but I've had just about ever other brand. I wanted to know if LG phones have been able to use Google Wallet, and if someone can test Google Wallet on a VZW G2. I'm thinking about picking it up as my upgrade soon, but also was considering the GS4 since I know I can get wallet to function on that easily. Obviously I know information on this at this point is going to be scarce, but I hope someone can shed some light on this for me!
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google wallet is not supported/blocked by Verizon, they want you to use ISIS
buenos said:
google wallet is not supported/blocked by Verizon, they want you to use ISIS
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I understand this. Its the same story for all other VZW phones. Except the GS4 can use it just fine so long as you have root and the MoDaCo Toolkit. Granted the GS4 has a secure element which Google Wallet requires. My main question is I guess.... does the G2 have an onboard secure element? ISIS require a secure element Sim card to use. Google Wallet only looks for an internal one.
Now that we have root for all variants of the G2, can someone test this out? The directions from this thread should help out a bit. Although this is all assuming that the G2's firmware has the required Libs as well.
I would appreciate it very much if someone could test this!
How about At&T version of G2 ? Anybody tryed yet?
Google wallet says not compatible on at&t, and Isis will not run if u are rooted...
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The G2 is designed for ISIS and not supported by Google Wallet in the US.
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Google needs to end the block. It's eliminating competition by blocking Google wallet.
ISIS can actually run on rooted roms now. Search it up. People have been running it on the Droid DNA for a bit now. Google isn't the one who is blocking Wallet by choice. Verizon, AT&T, & T-mobile are all on the ISIS bandwagon, and do not allow Google Wallet to run on their network officially . Normally you should be able to use any legal software on your carrier according to the FCC, but Verizon is actually getting around this by not including secure elements in phones but instead moving the secure element to the SIM card which Google Wallet does not check at the moment.
Since I don't have a G2 yet, I can't test the things I would like to. The thread I linked to previously here should give some instructions on how to install Google Wallet from the Play Store and see if it functions. Like i said we may need some lib files though from a Sprint variant. Usually Sprint is the only carrier to support Google Wallet on their devices. Ultimately the VZW G2 may not have an on-board secure element, and we may just be stuck using ISIS unless Google codes Wallet to look for an external SIM SE.
bb12489 said:
So it would not install for you ?
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Nope, Google wallet would not install and ISIS would not activate since my SIM did not have the NFC security element.
I tried closed framework and every module I could find, but couldn't get Google wallet to install, nor Isis to get past the root block. any ideas?
WACOMalt said:
I tried closed framework and every module I could find, but couldn't get Google wallet to install, nor Isis to get past the root block. any ideas?
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Try this module with xposed framework. It's worked for me in the past to get Wallet installed from the market on my Droid DNA. You need to edit your build.prop though to match a supported device like the Nexus 4/Galaxy Nexus. MoDaCo Toolkit module has a nice build.prop edit section you can use.
Once you get it installed, don't change the build.prop back until you go through the wallet setup (if it even launches)
From what I'm reading from you guys here, it seems that even installing wallet is a challenge! I always thought that was the easy part lol. The hard part is dealing with if it actually functions or not :/
bb12489 said:
Try this module with xposed framework. It's worked for me in the past to get Wallet installed from the market on my Droid DNA. You need to edit your build.prop though to match a supported device like the Nexus 4/Galaxy Nexus. MoDaCo Toolkit module has a nice build.prop edit section you can use.
Once you get it installed, don't change the build.prop back until you go through the wallet setup (if it even launches)
From what I'm reading from you guys here, it seems that even installing wallet is a challenge! I always thought that was the easy part lol. The hard part is dealing with if it actually functions or not :/
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Nah the Google wallet installer will not run on unsupported devices (a la the build.prop changes) with or without the module. Same deal on most other phones that aren't explicitly a nexus. Do you have a list of what I need to change the build.prop to to allow install? I'll give it another try. But I bet the "secure element" being in the Sim will put the kabosh on all of this anyways. ****ing Verizon.. man.
WACOMalt said:
Nah the Google wallet installer will not run on unsupported devices (a la the build.prop changes) with or without the module. Same deal on most other phones that aren't explicitly a nexus. Do you have a list of what I need to change the build.prop to to allow install? I'll give it another try. But I bet the "secure element" being in the Sim will put the kabosh on all of this anyways. ****ing Verizon.. man.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1862839
Google is releasing the Wallet app to all devices 4.2 and up. Not sure what this means for evryone, but it is a hopeful sign.
WACOMalt said:
Nah the Google wallet installer will not run on unsupported devices (a la the build.prop changes) with or without the module. Same deal on most other phones that aren't explicitly a nexus. Do you have a list of what I need to change the build.prop to to allow install? I'll give it another try. But I bet the "secure element" being in the Sim will put the kabosh on all of this anyways. ****ing Verizon.. man.
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ok, I did the build.prop changes, and am running that module. No go still. "Application not installed"
Where does the APK go after an install and what permissions? I'm going to try to sideload.
Google wallet
ed5275 said:
Google is releasing the Wallet app to all devices 4.2 and up. Not sure what this means for evryone, but it is a hopeful sign.
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I just installed Google wallet from the play store with no issues. Verizon G2, rooted. Wallet APK Version 2.0-R133V9-Release. :good:
Hope this is a good sign.
joerogo said:
I just installed Google wallet from the play store with no issues. Verizon G2, rooted. Wallet APK Version 2.0-R133V9-Release. :good:
Hope this is a good sign.
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I can see the wallet app but it 'isnt compatible with my device' from the store.
I did, however, order an NFC Secure Element SIM and got it today, and set up my ISIS... but it only accepts American Express and Chase (not VISA) so I can't test it out.
It does work though (loads at least).
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beddachedda said:
I can see the wallet app but it 'isnt compatible with my device' from the store.
I did, however, order an NFC Secure Element SIM and got it today, and set up my ISIS... but it only accepts American Express and Chase (not VISA) so I can't test it out.
It does work though (loads at least).
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OK, apparently GWallet updated today and it just hasn't rolled out to all devices. If you get the compatibility issue it just hasn't rolled out to you.
joerogo said:
I just installed Google wallet from the play store with no issues. Verizon G2, rooted. Wallet APK Version 2.0-R133V9-Release. :good:
Hope this is a good sign.
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The new APK does install and work, aside from Tap to Pay. Says "Not available". So we still need some new method of getting out Secure Element Sims supported. if that's possible. My SE sim should be here on thursday. I'll do some digging.

Confirmed: Rooting & tripping Knox will disable Samsung Pay

However, we advise you to refrain from rooting your device, as it will disable Samsung Pay, just like KNOX. When you root your device, the integrity gets breached, which is necessary for important and sensitive features like mobile payments.
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Source: sammoble.com
I don't like to pay Samsung so just ROOT!!
Alfa Kenny One said:
I don't like to pay Samsung so just ROOT!!
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but Samsung pay is a really important feature as it is compatible with all debit and credit card machines
ngupta93 said:
but Samsung pay is a really important feature as it is compatible with all debit and credit card machines
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... if it works in your country
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Hawke84 said:
... if it works in your country
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i don't know exactly whether it would work in my country or not, but according to Samsung it is compatible with all the machines out there is it true
It is just a matter of time and we'll find some workaround...Root for life
One thing to note for US users is that in October of this year, people will be switching to pin cards with chips like we use here in the UK. I'm not sure what will happen to the card readers that accept swipe cards, but it seems like they are being phased out. THOUGH, once businesses get new card readers, they will most likely be getting models that will accept NFC payments.
I tried the freedom apk app since I rooted my us cellular smg920r4 on the t mobile cfroot and it won't let me make free purchases anymore since I tripped the Google pay. Oh well
Well a user and I on reddit were rooted and he stated that he couldn't use the Samsung Wallet app because he was rooted. I tried it and got a message saying I was rooted and the app closed. I unrooted and boom the app worked, tripped Knox and all. Not saying it will be the same for Samsung Pay, but there's a glimmer of hope. Also in Smart Manager even with a tripped Knox the Device Security says "Secure" with "No unauthorized system changes detected". So we'll have to just wait and see when it is actually released.
If all else fails and it needs an un-tripped Knox I'll just claim my LED flash always on issue others have been having and get a fresh phone from TMO.
so unroot it even with knox trip will make samsung wallet works rite ?
fair enough
What's unclear is if unrooting with Knox tripped will restore Samsung Pay functionality.
Its ok I dont need it
PunishedSnake said:
Its ok I dont need it
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This.
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Google wallet works fine when you are rooted (or at least used to the last time i bothered to root my device)
What benefit would there be over google wallet with samsung pay?
Samsung Pay is kind of unusable here in the Netherlands. The magnetic stripe was phased out in 2011. Every newly ordered bank card has NFC but not many stores have NFC yet.
So root away.
I know there were a few apps that I had back in the day, that would make an app not see root, even if your phone was rooted, for example, Google pay had a problem for a bit, and after that app, I know it was fixed. I am sure someone will find a work around, they always do!
I am waiting a bit longer for TowelRoot of some kind. all I want is root, not much else. Though it would be nice to get some Lollipop features that Samsung yanks out .
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I know there were a few apps that I had back in the day, that would make an app not see root, even if your phone was rooted, for example, Google pay had a problem for a bit, and after that app, I know it was fixed. I am sure someone will find a work around, they always do!
I am waiting a bit longer for TowelRoot of some kind. all I want is root, not much else. Though it would be nice to get some Lollipop features that Samsung yanks out .
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All hopes on towelroot now....
I'm failing to see how this is confirmation (Maybe I've misread it which is possible ), It seems to me that this is no more than a post on a site with no proof, source etc. maybe this guy knows a guy who knows a guy who works at Samsung in some capacity, I'll wait until it's stated by Samsung that rooting will remove the devices capacity to use the service regardless of unrooting afterwards.
If this does turn out to be true i.e. if Samsung does clearly state that the service is unusable after rooting (and still unusable even after unrooting) then this would be imo kind of funny because a jailbroken iPhone can use Apple pay but a rooted (which is far more the norm on android vs jailbroken on iOS) Galaxy S6 can't.
razor 116 said:
I'm failing to see how this is confirmation (Maybe I've misread it which is possible ), It seems to me that this is no more than a post on a site with no proof, source etc. maybe this guy knows a guy who knows a guy who works at Samsung in some capacity, I'll wait until it's stated by Samsung that rooting will remove the devices capacity to use the service regardless of unrooting afterwards.
If this does turn out to be true i.e. if Samsung does clearly state that the service is unusable after rooting (and still unusable even after unrooting) then this would be imo kind of funny because a jailbroken iPhone can use Apple pay but a rooted (which is far more the norm on android vs jailbroken on iOS) Galaxy S6 can't.
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Sammobile has inside sources at Samsung and rarely gets this stuff wrong. Other Android websites are treating this as news and not rumor for that reason. If they are saying that root breaks Samsung Pay, then you can be 99% sure it does.

Tap and pay NFC

Can anyone verify if it has NFC?
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Indeed it does. With Google rolling out Android pay currently it wouldn't make any sense for them to release their hero phone without it
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Of course it does. They talked about using the fingerprint sensor for Android Pay.
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The real question, for me anyway, is whether or not Android Pay will continue to function after unlocking the bootloader and/or rooting. I remember having to take a pretty convoluted route 3 years ago to get Google Wallet to function properly with the NFC in my Note II by "persuading" Wallet to believe that it was a Nexus.
Str8Pryd said:
The real question, for me anyway, is whether or not Android Pay will continue to function after unlocking the bootloader and/or rooting. I remember having to take a pretty convoluted route 3 years ago to get Google Wallet to function properly with the NFC in my Note II by "persuading" Wallet to believe that it was a Nexus.
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Unfortunately, I don't think it will ever work on a rooted phone, as a Google Engineer has shared here: http://www.xda-developers.com/googl...-with-root-and-android-pay-in-the-xda-forums/
Str8Pryd said:
The real question, for me anyway, is whether or not Android Pay will continue to function after unlocking the bootloader and/or rooting. I remember having to take a pretty convoluted route 3 years ago to get Google Wallet to function properly with the NFC in my Note II by "persuading" Wallet to believe that it was a Nexus.
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It its current state it will not work as it doesn't currently on the nexus 5/6 ect either. I am still using google wallet on mine, but will have to give up nfc payments once i get my 6p.
Str8Pryd said:
The real question, for me anyway, is whether or not Android Pay will continue to function after unlocking the bootloader and/or rooting. I remember having to take a pretty convoluted route 3 years ago to get Google Wallet to function properly with the NFC in my Note II by "persuading" Wallet to believe that it was a Nexus.
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Unlocked bootloader is fine, but a custom ROM fails SafetyNet's CTS build check, and root causes actual transactions to fail. So no, Android Pay or root, pick one, unfortunately.
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