UPDATED as of 10 MAY 2015..
Skanob said:
The final update and nail on the coffin:
I have confirmed that my fix for the camera module has PERMANENTLY FIXED the two M7s that I have applied the fix to since the date of the OP (July 2014).
"But wait!", you say, "why didn't it fix my camera on my phone? You're a load of bull!"
The answer for that is in post #110. READ. THE. DAMN. THING.
Prior of you doing the fix to your phone, your camera module has already been permanently damaged and there is no other way for you to fix this but to replace it WITH A NON-DAMAGED CAMERA MODULE, OR OMNIVISION.
Let us all be clear of that!
I am lucky that I have done (thought of) this fix before getting the camera module stuffed up.
How did I know that it has fixed it permanently?
I have recorded a video in 720p (on the 3rd of May, 2015, think what it is) from one of the phones (GPe converted, official Lollipop ROM using Google Camera, same phone that I've used on the proof video on OP) that I've got the fix applied for a whopping 1 hour and 15 minutes NON-STOP! The phone heated up alright to a staggering 53 degrees Celsius (as the phone indicates). I was surprised at this stage that the phone hasn't turned itself off automatically thermally, which the phone has on. I did see a small amount of purple tint haze when I tried stopping the recording then opened the camera app again. I immediately turned it off to cool it down. Waited approx. 30 mins to turn it on. Tried it and voila, no purple tint haze. Having to encounter this, I now have a peace of mind that I wouldn't have the issue again, and very confident that it has fixed the thermal handling of the camera module.
Having to rant and vent this out, I DO NOT WANT TO SEE (hoping for humanity) anyone posting saying that this didn't work, instead, post or say that YOUR CAMERA MODULE HAS ALREADY BEEN PERMANENTLY DAMAGED prior to applying the fix!
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THIS GUIDE WILL VOID YOUR WARRANTY BECAUSE OF THE DISASSEMBLY THAT WILL BE DONE
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Proof:
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Why does it work?
There are two things that needs to be done:
1. Increasing the amount of heat that can be removed.
The idea is to increase the capability of removing heat from the camera module itself. And, hopefully, by increasing or re-covering the thermal copper tape with another one, the capacity of these tapes that it can handle is doubled.
2. Redirecting the heat.
Having said the above, while still these copper tapes can only hold such amount of heat, once they have reached their limit, there is no other place to put that heat away from themselves. Then the only viable option is redirecting them to somewhere, to the middle panel.
Someone has recommended to put a thermal paste on it to improve it more. For me, this is an option, albeit if you have one lying around.
Refer to this thread for the sources of these ideas.
If there's anyone who is SCIENTIFICALLY inclined on what really is happening, feel free to share your thoughts.
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Requirements:
Common Sense
- it helps A LOT
Experience
- of disassembling a phone. if you don't have one, then you MUST have the
Heart
- to do it
Thermal Copper Tape
- bought from anywhere, you tell me, bought mine from ebay
Prying Tool/s
- bought from anywhere, you tell me
Screw Driver
- bought from anywhere
Guitar Pick
- where?
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STEP 1
Disassembly of the back cover:
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STEP 2
Tearing down the phone:
Refer to: https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/HTC+One+Teardown/13494#s45595
Follow steps, until you physically are holding your camera module.
Skip removing the battery, display module, and the front camera, all of them are unnecessary.
Summary:
Skanob said:
Remove the back cover.
Remove ALL cables connected, AND I MEAN ALL.. Start from the bottom area of the phone, going up. The idea is to remove your battery flex cable (screwed) first.
Remove ALL screws. (for noob-proofness sake)
Remove the mother board.
Remove the daughter board.
Remove the Back Camera from the daughter board.
Do the fix.
Repeat steps from the bottom to top, opposite way.
You MUST pay close attention on what you are doing.
If you cannot do these, or doesn't have the heart to do them, I'm afraid this fix is not for you.
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Make sure that when you put the back cover, it is exactly the opposite way of how you disconnected it. by starting on the right hand side (opposite of volume bottom when looking at the back of the phone), settle it properly, then pop it in.
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STEP 3
The camera fix:
What needs to be done:
1. Have you read the part where "Why this works?"
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You need only to RE-COVER the copper tape already on the camera module!
DO NOT REMOVE the rubber fillings on the camera module, they are there for a reason, which is to keep it in-place.
2. Hhmm..
Like you see on the video, make a tape roll. You know how to do that, right..?
The tape roll must stick to the front panel AND the back of the camera module. Get it?
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Credits
To everyone who helped me on having this idea.
If you think if you are one of them, then feel free to feel good.
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Well.. Just read the sig below..
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Skanob said:
Just to post that it can be done.
I'm still testing the 2 M7s that I have here with the fix that came up with. I'll post this video as a proof (if enough). I'll edit this soon for the how-to. Just need to go back to work.
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SBColasito said:
Video is private
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fixed.:good:
Bump for later
waiting for the how-to guide
waiting for you:highfive:
Just want to go back to stock for warranty because purple tint in camera, now i will wait too
Is the fix permanent?
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Is the fix permanent?
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Based on my test, for 2 months. It could be permanent already. I'm giving it until November (summer time, surrounding temperature might affect the phone too) and see if it is the same.
But as of now, the 2 M7s that I have fixed is working fine. No more purple tint issue. Left the phone on its camera while sitting on its back for about an hour, NO purple haze or anything. Phone also handles the heat better as well.
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Based on my test, for 2 months. It could be permanent already. I'm giving it until November (summer time, surrounding temperature might affect the phone too) and see if it is the same.
But as of now, the 2 M7s that I have fixed is working fine. No more purple tint issue. Left the phone on its camera while sitting on its back for about an hour, NO purple haze or anything. Phone also handles the heat better as well.
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So will you post your fix in November when you are done testing? I am willing to try anything at this point because mine is just getting worse and if I don't have to buy a new camera module I'll be happy.
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king_david43 said:
So will you post your fix in November when you are done testing? I am willing to try anything at this point because mine is just getting worse and if I don't have to buy a new camera module I'll be happy.
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I'll post it this weekend. Preferably sunday, still at work. (damn.)
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I'll post it this weekend. Preferably sunday, still at work. (damn.)
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Alright thanks. Much appreciated.
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I'm willing to try anything like @king_david43 said. My phone started suffering this issue 4 months ago and it's getting worse. I never see it while turning the phone on it's back, only when the camera is pointing to dark or poor lit areas.
I will keep my hopes up until sunday and see if anything can be done to fix or at least mitigate the issue.
I'm waiting for your fix. Hope it's and easy one and we can do it alone at home.
octhunder said:
I'm waiting for your fix. Hope it's and easy one and we can do it alone at home.
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+1
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Let's hope this is not only fake...
Maybe he is busy
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Updated.
Skanob said:
Updated.
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So you are saying that the problem is just the interruption of the ground connection?
dpeddi said:
So you are saying that the problem is just the interruption of the ground connection?
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What? The problem is heat. By putting a connection (copper tape) between the camera, and to the middle panel at the back of the LCD, you redirect that heat to a bigger conductor.
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My Xoom has been rather unfortunate since I got it. I take it with me everywhere and that includes when I go out drinking with friends... It's taken many a fall. This has shown me what I deem a rather major flaw in the Xoom's design, internally. Allow me to demonstrate:
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What you'll need to start... Pardon the crapola pics, I took more than this but the SD card on my Droid is going caput so most of them are just empty jpgs... Luckily the ones I salvaged were able to show the general idea. Anyways. The bit you'll use to take the back shell off is a T-5. The one I have is a T-5H but you don't need one of those, these screws don't have a pin in the middle. That's just for the first 2 screws and the screws that hold the plastic half on, you'll need a T-6 for every other screw in the Xoom. You'll also want some kind of sturdy plastic shims, I used clippings from an old debit card. The tool kit I have pictured can be bought at an auto parts store(I think I picked it up at O'reilly's).
Unscrew the 2 screws that hold the USB/HDMI/charging plate on, this will come off. Keep your screws in a secure location so you don't lose them!
That's what it looks like without the cover.
From here, slide the back cover down, you'll notice it stops at a certain point, just enough to expose the expansion card Moto will replace for the 4G upgrade. They've made this thing super easy to upgrade in the future. Slide the cover back towards closed just a tiny bit so the clips aren't resting on the stop.
Slide those 2 pieces of plastic into the grooves, as illustrated, until you can't push them in any further, you've disengaged the stops, now, with the plastic still there, slide the cover the rest of the way off.
Here's where my SD card crapped out but it's no big deal. Moving...
The touchscreen controller is located in the lower right hand corner of the Xoom if you're looking at it from the back. As you can see, mine is dislodged and there's nothing actually securing it inside the Xoom besides double stick tape. The Xoom has like 57 screws inside it and they couldn't screw the touchscreen controller down with even one? No, it's got an adhesive on the back and then it's just pressed onto the metal frame... Not secure in the slightest, even a slight drop can dislodge it. I've already tried to use a better double stick tape, but that came undone, hence I'm doing this write-up.
This is my new solution, using a thin piece of foam doubled over itself. It's about a 2" by 2" square, maybe 1/8" thick or so, couldn't tell you where I got it, I just had it laying around. From here, with it sitting there, it's kind of tricky to get the Xoom back together, what I did was start lining up the back cover with the foam squished down against the touchscreen controller, then slid the cover back to its fully closed position. My foam happened to stay in place during all of this. It may not be that easy for others, YMMV.
So I boot up my Xoom, test it out, touch works again.
I'm still not certain I'm going to stay with this solution but we'll see. For now it's working perfectly. Even exchanging your Xoom for a new one isn't going to resolve this until Motorola actually resolves it themselves, which I doubt they will. Hope this was helpful, I'm not interested in getting into the gory details of full disassembly, that's beyond my pay grade.
I also just realized this solved the problem I was having with the right half of my screen thinking any kind of touch was a multitouch and pinch-zooming constantly. Win.
Fixed images, messed up the numbering when I posted.
Good, good stuff. Thanks for the write-up - these are the threads that used to differentiate xda from the hoards of other android forums.
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8 days later and not a single issue with touch on my Xoom.
Bump, Xoom still working great.
Elysian893 said:
Bump, Xoom still working great.
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Good to hear it..you've gone where no man has gone before...
Awesome! Thanks for the information. I'll be sure to fix this once my touch screen stops working.
I've got a crazy idea....how about not getting ****faced and dropping you xoom multiple times?!
No need to be rude. Sometimes devices take falls. You gonna tell everyone not to let their kid watch cartoons on it?
SlCKB0Y said:
I've got a crazy idea....how about not getting ****faced and dropping you xoom multiple times?!
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....My Xoom is pretty much brand new and has a touchscreen problem.
SlCKB0Y said:
I've got a crazy idea....how about not getting ****faced and dropping you xoom multiple times?!
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I he was just being funny. I laughed.
So I got the cover off, got some foam in there
but I can't get the cover all the way on... its hairline just about to close up but Im afraid to use pressure
too much foam?
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It was a slot on the bottom i kept hitting, i got it back on!
Will update with results tomorrow
edit2: most definitely still having the same problem after adding some foam to press down on that touch panel controller. Took me like 10 tries just to unlock the damn thing
WTF MOTOROLA !...anyone have any other suggestions? this is really pissing me off now.
edit3; so I took a deep breath and decided to investigate more... I have it open again, and holding down the actual connector seems to be improving the situation GREATLY. Im going to shift the foam from the controller to the connector and close it back up, and try again
Great thread. An idea of paint the back cover (white spray) are growing in my mind.
Hello,
I just wanted to share my solution for the unresponsive screen issue with the Motorola Xoom device:
reddit.com/r/xoom/comments/sytk0
I hope this helps anyone having a similar issue. Thank you.
Man i must say ur a brave heart...i cant even think of letting mine fall...seems kinda fragile....plus all the drop test videos screw around with your head
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thanks for this tip, i know how to dissasemble my xoom now! lol
Nice post. I'm having exactly the same problem and it's very easy to see reports for this same issue all around. Crappy Moto! This is the first "how to" post on this issue. Thanks a lot. I'll give it a try. put
EDIT: Following your "how to", I did exactly the same you did. The touch controller was a bit loose so I tight it with a small piece of foam. The hard part was putting the case back in place with the foam inside, but with a bit of patience I could eventually close the whole thing and now it's working again. Will see until when. Probably this device is one within many that fits in the planned obsolescence industry standard. FKU Mr. Bernard London.
EDIT 2: I actually have a big compulsion on acquiring new geeky stuff, but I hate to spend money because this is the industry standard. I hate to buy crap, and if I want to, I'll buy chinese stuff from Deal Extreme. Paying hundreds of dollars in goods from a well established and named company should be a warrant, at least, that it was built to last!
EDIT 3: I'l be moving soon to a Sammy Note 10.1. Hopefully not based on the planned obsolescence of the Xoom, but because I want it to!
EDIT 4: My XOOM "caput" for good. As I said before, I'm on Sammy note 10.1 and the XOOM will eventually go to repair.
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Got my Xoom back, and it's great. Even after rooting, re flashing, opening, messing around, it was fixed for free, under warranty. It seems Motorola knows they have a case of premature obsolescence in this case.
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Hi everyone,
I just received my Atrix. Yes I'm back to using this beast. I have a question regarding the battery cover. On the side where it has the usb and HDMI ports the battery door closes fine and does not show any gaps. On the volume rocker side I notice there are gaps and I can see parts of the inside of the phone. I have tried several times to make sure every piece is snapped on properly but I still see the gaps. The last few tries, I pressed on it pretty hard and the gaps aren't as bad but it's still noticable. Is this a common issue with the Atrix battery cover? What should I do? I bought the Atrix brand new and shipping it back to the States is a real pain. I don't like using a case when I'm at home.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks
no? my cover locks well all the way around.
Mine resides in a skin tight case 100% of the time. But, I do not have gaps either. Mine seals tight all the way around
No gaps on mine, and it's a wonder there isn't as many times as the cover has been removed for a battery pull.
Wirelessgirl said:
Hi everyone,
I just received my Atrix. Yes I'm back to using this beast. I have a question regarding the battery cover. On the side where it has the usb and HDMI ports the battery door closes fine and does not show any gaps. On the volume rocker side I notice there are gaps and I can see parts of the inside of the phone. I have tried several times to make sure every piece is snapped on properly but I still see the gaps. The last few tries, I pressed on it pretty hard and the gaps aren't as bad but it's still noticable. Is this a common issue with the Atrix battery cover? What should I do? I bought the Atrix brand new and shipping it back to the States is a real pain. I don't like using a case when I'm at home.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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Yours might be refurbished.
Soldier-2Point0 said:
Yours might be refurbished.
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Hmm, now you got me thinking it could be refurbished. There is a tiny scratch on the screen. It's only noticable when viewing a plain white screen. I did file a complaint to the retailer and they claim it's brand new. They said they could refund me 10% of the retail price. They're trying to avoid exchanging the phone because it's coming from the States. It came with the retail box. Could it be the battery door? I wonder if switching battery doors would resolve the issue.
Try calling Motorola and see if they have it in their system as having been warranty returned and then re-issued or anything.
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Try calling Motorola and see if they have it in their system as having been warranty returned and then re-issued or anything.
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Thanks. I'll try to call Motorola and see what they say.
BTW, do you have the AT&T version of the Atrix? If so, are you able to uninstall the AT&T apps without rooting the phone?
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Thanks. I'll try to call Motorola and see what they say.
BTW, do you have the AT&T version of the Atrix? If so, are you able to uninstall the AT&T apps without rooting the phone?
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You will need root and best to then just freeze them with TiBu if I remember correctly. Been so long since I had to worry about AT&T bloat with custom ROM's.
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You will need root and best to then just freeze them with TiBu if I remember correctly. Been so long since I had to worry about AT&T bloat with custom ROM's.
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Darn. It looks like I'll have to exchange my current Atrix for an AT&T version. The one I have now is with SUTEL and there's no bloatware in this version.
I don't want to root the phone once I get it exchanged until I know everything is working fine.
Is there a chance for you to post pics of your issue? I am just curious what it looks like and I am sure others are too. It could become a reference for someone else.
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Voelker45 said:
Is there a chance for you to post pics of your issue? I am just curious what it looks like and I am sure others are too. It could become a reference for someone else.
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Yes, please post the pics of the gap. Maybe you just didn't snap it on correctly.
Voelker45 said:
Is there a chance for you to post pics of your issue? I am just curious what it looks like and I am sure others are too. It could become a reference for someone else.
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I asked my brother and he said it won't show up. He's into cameras and knows if certain pics will show up or not. I can ask him again. He has a high end DSLR. It is noticable in person.
I have owned over 100 cellphones. I know how to put a battery door on. Especially with my experience with Sony Ericsson's horrifc battery door issues a few years ago. I have tried many many times with the Atrix's battery door and it still shows the little gaps. The gaps are bad enough that it will collect dust inside the phone. Also on each corner of the phone, the battery door is not even.
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I asked my brother and he said it won't show up. He's into cameras and knows if certain pics will show up or not. I can ask him again. He has a high end DSLR. It is noticable in person.
I have owned over 100 cellphones. I know how to put a battery door on. Especially with my experience with Sony Ericsson's horrifc battery door issues a few years ago. I have tried many many times with the Atrix's battery door and it still shows the little gaps. The gaps are bad enough that it will collect dust inside the phone. Also on each corner of the phone, the battery door is not even.
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If the gap doesn't show up with a "high end DSLR", then... is it even noticeable? I know i can use the macro setting on my t2i and it would show great detail.
Also, over 100 phones? Surely, you jest.
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If the gap doesn't show up with a "high end DSLR", then... is it even noticeable? I know i can use the macro setting on my t2i and it would show great detail.
Also, over 100 phones? Surely, you jest.
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I know right I know its prob only 10 that I wld even want to try
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ifalldownalot said:
If the gap doesn't show up with a "high end DSLR", then... is it even noticeable? I know i can use the macro setting on my t2i and it would show great detail.
Also, over 100 phones? Surely, you jest.
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Yes it is noticable. It's hard to capture it because it's a black phone. If it was a white phone, it would show up. I had a different issue with a white phone and taking pics of it was not an issue.
Don't believe me? Ask some peeps on Hofo, they will tell you.
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I know right I know its prob only 10 that I wld even want to try
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Do you guys really have to be so rude on here??
Wirelessgirl said:
Yes it is noticable. It's hard to capture it because it's a black phone. If it was a white phone, it would show up. I had a different issue with a white phone and taking pics of it was not an issue.
Don't believe me? Ask some peeps on Hofo, they will tell you.
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My little sister just took that with her $80 point and shoot. There's... enough detail in that to be able to see the non-existent gap on my phone... so one would think a bigger gap would be more noticeable and even more apparent.
And... a camera that's worth at least 10 times more than hers would definitely be able to capture more detail, i would think.
So that's why i'm questioning whether it's even really a gap or just a picayune detail you picked out (say like the small gap you can see around our screen glass and the frame of the phone).
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You will need root and best to then just freeze them with TiBu if I remember correctly. Been so long since I had to worry about AT&T bloat with custom ROM's.
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Actually, just about all of the AT&T bloatware can be uninstalled without root, thankfully.
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I asked my brother and he said it won't show up. He's into cameras and knows if certain pics will show up or not. I can ask him again. He has a high end DSLR.
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Sounds like a lighting problem. Any semi decent camera will show a gap in black on black easily if you get the lighting right. "High end camera owner" doesn't necessarily mean "knows what he is doing", and with a comment like "knows if certain pics will show up or not" I would say he doesn't really know photography.
Pics here were just taken with a colleagues iPhone 4. On the last pic I pulled the battery cover a wee bit. You can clearly see the whole area in all pics:
Well my Screen already went the way that some of us in the forum has went.
This really sucks, I have a workaround to make it work sometimes I just press a little hard in the bottom of the part that doesn't work, turn off the screen and then the phone works like new again but that is something that I don't like to do because it could damage the phone.
Here is a picture of the damaged part:
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Do you guys recommend me to buy this digitizer? : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251084340056
I REPEAT IS THE DIGITIZER NOT THE LCD, THE LCD IS WORKING EXCELENT, ALSO THE PHONE ( TEGRA ELITE )
Thanks for all and God bless you!
Is it the screen visually blanking out in that area or is it not touch sensitive in that area? If it is visually not displaying in that area of the screen you need to replace the LCD. If it is not touch sensitive then you would need to replace the digitizer. If your replacing the digitizer, I'd spend the extra $10 and buy a new one. The one that you linked to is used and looks like there is a scratch or a crack at the bottom. That's my two cents.
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Is it the screen visually blanking out in that area or is it not touch sensitive in that area? If it is visually not displaying in that area of the screen you need to replace the LCD. If it is not touch sensitive then you would need to replace the digitizer. If your replacing the digitizer, I'd spend the extra $10 and buy a new one. The one that you linked to is used and looks like there is a scratch or a crack at the bottom. That's my two cents.
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Lol I did not post the right one, I will change the link right now; is the ditigizer, I made everything to make it work and really it works but then it stop working after some time, I think this is related to the crappy digitizer and also the heat they recieve makes them unsusable after some time....
I had a similar problem (except my strip was horizontal), and I tried the PDS fix, new ROMs, and a pile of other calibration tools, and arrived at the conclusion that a warranty repair was needed. It sucks, but there are a bunch of folks on these boards with this exact problem. I think the digitizers were cheaply made.
As an aside, I got no static from Moto for having an unlocked bootloader (though I did flash the sbf before sending it in). Good luck to you.
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I had a similar problem (except my strip was horizontal), and I tried the PDS fix, new ROMs, and a pile of other calibration tools, and arrived at the conclusion that a warranty repair was needed. It sucks, but there are a bunch of folks on these boards with this exact problem. I think the digitizers were cheaply made.
As an aside, I got no static from Moto for having an unlocked bootloader (though I did flash the sbf before sending it in). Good luck to you.
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Yes but I don't have warranty so my only option is to buy the digitizer.
Got the same thing with mine... . Warranty only run out 2 weeks ago.. And wifi and headphone jack all stopped working in the last week
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I dropped my phone and cracked the screen.
I have that exact same digitizer from that seller with frame on its way to me, I bought one that was just the glass and had to be adhered to the existing frame, and the brand new OEM digitizer had dead zones. Hopefully this one will be a bit better.
I will let you know how it works!
I have bought two from these guys and could not be happier.
It's the easiest way to do the repair for sure. Just be prepared for a hard time with the ribbon cable if you have medium or above sized fingers.
It became much easier when I grabbed a pair of these...
There's something about the ribbon cable for the volume buttons being very fragile. I didn't have any trouble, just be aware, and if you have to mess with it be careful.
Oh, they ship it fast too!
JdgM3NT4L said:
I have bought two from these guys and could not be happier.
It's the easiest way to do the repair for sure. Just be prepared for a hard time with the ribbon cable if you have medium or above sized fingers.
It became much easier when I grabbed a pair of these...
There's something about the ribbon cable for the volume buttons being very fragile. I didn't have any trouble, just be aware, and if you have to mess with it be careful.
Oh, they ship it fast too!
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Wait, two?, so the same happened with two screen already to you? also did you have any problems with touch after you replaced for the new one? Thanks and sorry for all the questions. lol
tomh235 said:
I dropped my phone and cracked the screen.
I have that exact same digitizer from that seller with frame on its way to me, I bought one that was just the glass and had to be adhered to the existing frame, and the brand new OEM digitizer had dead zones. Hopefully this one will be a bit better.
I will let you know how it works!
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Okay thanks please let me know =) I will buy it next week (Monday)
i got caught in the same trouble! exactly the same place
it is temporarily solved when i flashed it with the 4.5.9.141 service pack(im still in the official rom and bootloader locked!)
So i think the problem should be attributed to the drivers!
gooyyaoyao said:
i got caught in the same trouble! exactly the same place
it is temporarily solved when i flashed it with the 4.5.9.141 service pack(im still in the official rom and bootloader locked!)
So i think the problem should be attributed to the drivers!
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I don't think is the same problem as yours =P.
I just punched my digitizer the other day and everyting started working again (LOL ) But after a fews minutes it stopped working again. So I don't think an official ROM with LOCKED bootloader will solve my problem. =D
Anyways I'm buying a new digitizer tomorrow from this link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251084340056
Also one more question guys...
Do I need anything else? Because I have some links on Amazon about "2mm Tape" and other about "Digitizer atrix Touch Screen adhesive" OR Does this one no need the tape because it already comes with the Frames and with the Adhesive?; Can someone confirm please.
Thanks for all and God bless you.
Did you look at the screen replacement guide thread? Everything you need to know is there.
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Also one more question guys...
Do I need anything else? Because I have some links on Amazon about "2mm Tape" and other about "Digitizer atrix Touch Screen adhesive" OR Does this one no need the tape because it already comes with the Frames and with the Adhesive?; Can someone confirm please.
Thanks for all and God bless you.
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There shouldn't be any need for adhesive as the only adhesive needed is to stick the glass to the frame and its already attached. My last tracking update was in Atlanta on the 13th, so hopefully it is in the UK by now and clearing customs! I'm looking foreward to getting my phone back working!
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There shouldn't be any need for adhesive as the only adhesive needed is to stick the glass to the frame and its already attached. My last tracking update was in Atlanta on the 13th, so hopefully it is in the UK by now and clearing customs! I'm looking foreward to getting my phone back working!
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So then I don't need anything than just replace it =D that's pretty nice, I just bought it this morning, I can't wait to see my phone working again, I want to test CM7 Offcial for Atrix but I just can't...
Thanks for all and God bless you.
I got a solution and its free. Depends if you wanna risk it. Gonna post solution later
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I got a solution and its free. Depends if you wanna risk it. Gonna post solution later
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Let's risk! lol, anyways my new one is coming, so let's risk .
Temporary Solution here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1719653
Screen came this morning and fitted no problem, was much easier to fit than the standard ones you get which require a hairdryer and glue. It looks perfect and works perfect!
After over a month I am so happy to have my phone working again!
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The Digitizer just arrived and I replaced it with no problem, I don't know why people say that the ribbons are a problem, they didn't (I don't have bigger hands!). Also in order to put the new one I had to break the old digitizer inside, not outside so it can be used again if my new digitizer brokes (What I don't want never that to happen).
Thanks for all your help and God bless you all.
My original M8 suffered from the infamous cloudy camera. I got it replaced by T-Mobile, and it's been maybe three months now and the replacement M8 did the same. My buddies M8 started to do the same thing about a month ago, and he used Zaino Wax to buff out the camera cloudyness away.
I noticed yesterday that mine was doing the same thing again when I tried to take a picture and it wasn't focusing. Tried to clean it, and at first I just thought it was dirty. Picture wasn't important, so I ignored it. Then last night I went to get a drink with a buddy of mine, and tried to take a picture, and the camera wasn't focusing. Tried to clean it again, and that's when I noticed the cloudy camera again.
So I woke up this morning, found some turtle wax, put some on a terry cloth, rubbed a little on the lens, let it dry for a couple of minutes, and then buffed it off. Sure enough, it started to take some of the cloudyness away. So I did it again about three more times, and now the cloudyness is down to the edges. I was excited that it worked, that I ran over to my laptop to make this thread.
I was thinking about getting another replacement, but this is a better alternative for me. I don't want to be setting up my phone all over again every few months for the same issue.
This is what I used.
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I found the Mr. Clean Magic eraser to work very well too. I actually prefer the eraser because there is no risk of water getting under the lens. You squeeze it all out before rubbing
Toothpaste works too. I just put a dab on the end of my finger and rubbed the lens in a circular motion for a bit. Cleared up all but the edges which don't seem to bother anything. My guess is if I used a Q-Tip instead of my fat finger I could get the edges clean too.
I had the same problem and I used toothpaste. But my concern is whether we have rubbed off the anti glare coating?
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clax6 said:
I had the same problem and I used toothpaste. But my concern is whether we have rubbed off the anti glare coating?
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I followed a guide and used a tiny amount of Brasso on the end of a cotton bud, it's like the phone's brand new again. Like you, I'm concerned I've removed something which should be there but the camera was unusable prior to doing this. Mine was bought in April, has been in a case, screen protector applied since day 1, handled with constant, real care but the scratches on the lens were something else!
Pictures of the lens pre clean here and also 3 very quick shots from the phone pre and 3 post clean... Was in a rush so had no artistic quality to them whatsoever!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157645558003205/
HTC recognise this is a real issue and are taking devices in for repair. Mine is being collected today. I'll let ya know what they do to fix this when I get it back
mwatson said:
HTC recognise this is a real issue and are taking devices in for repair. Mine is being collected today. I'll let ya know what they do to fix this when I get it back
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Wasn't aware of that to be honest but thanks for the update, what did they say to you regarding this issue specifically?
Cheers...
smudgelab said:
Wasn't aware of that to be honest but thanks for the update, what did they say to you regarding this issue specifically?
Cheers...
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I said that the coating on the lens was rubbing off and there is a lot of discussion online about it, so its not just mine. The HTC rep said "yeah we know, we had a meeting about it today, just send it in and we'll take care of it". I asked what the coating was, olephobic? He said he wouldn't say and wouldn't comment on what the course of action is. I thought, ok, as long as you fix it I thats all that matters.
I guess they will replace the lens glass with something other that what came out of the factory. No point in putting the same thing back on there. He probably couldn't comment as this will effect every single One M8 which means they would all have to be recalled. Expensive!
i am struggling with same issue and looking for some solutions.. this morning i tried toothpaste but i didn't like the results too much
i will give a shot with following this directions, tonigh
https://www.youtube.com/embed/09k9t3Y2BJg
flayzeraynx said:
i am struggling with same issue and looking for some solutions.. this morning i tried toothpaste but i didn't like the results too much
i will give a shot with following this directions, tonigh
https://www.youtube.com/embed/09k9t3Y2BJg
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That's the video I watched and got the idea from prior to doing mine.So far... so good but it's only been a day, see how the lens holds up after prolonged "quick rub before the shot" with shirts, jumpers, sleeves, all the normal day to day stuff.
You've got to be kidding me.
After the M7 camera fiasco, they allowed this to happen?
My wife just got hers last week, and it's having reboot and connectivity issues (completely stock, unrooted)
I'm going to have her exchange it for the S5, I'm done with HTC's idiocy.
Great! Thanks for the fix. I just tested out the wax thing and it worked perfectly !
Toothpaste is the best solution, I tried and is like new!
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ingenious247 said:
You've got to be kidding me.
After the M7 camera fiasco, they allowed this to happen?
My wife just got hers last week, and it's having reboot and connectivity issues (completely stock, unrooted)
I'm going to have her exchange it for the S5, I'm done with HTC's idiocy.
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To each their own. But it's hardly idiocy. It's simply a minor design issue. Mine has scratches on and focuses and shoots perfectly fine.
As for reboots and connectivity issues, these are things any manufacturer can have, but I wouldn't take the bandaid phone over a HTC One even if the HTC One had no camera at all.
HtcOneJon said:
To each their own. But it's hardly idiocy. It's simply a minor design issue. Mine has scratches on and focuses and shoots perfectly fine.
As for reboots and connectivity issues, these are things any manufacturer can have, but I wouldn't take the bandaid phone over a HTC One even if the HTC One had no camera at all.
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The Purple/Pink tint issue was the likely BIGGEST camera fiasco the mobile industry has ever seen, and it cost HTC tons of money and hurt their reputation badly. You can find countless threads here and elsewhere about it
And then they completely drop the ball on the NEW phone and allow another camera issue?? If it were a "minor" issue, they wouldn't be taking them back for repair no questions asked.
It's obviously a widespread debacle, and not only that - they should have listened to the previous One (M7) owners as they had an issue with the CHEAP camera glass cover on the M7 which cracked for NO reason at all and was easily scratched.
Choosing to ignore that issue and causing themselves another heartache on their flagship phone is idiocy IMO. What would you call it?
What if i cant that in my area do i can use my own
Just kidding mate :good::good: Thanks for the idea
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I said that the coating on the lens was rubbing off and there is a lot of discussion online about it, so its not just mine. The HTC rep said "yeah we know, we had a meeting about it today, just send it in and we'll take care of it". I asked what the coating was, olephobic? He said he wouldn't say and wouldn't comment on what the course of action is. I thought, ok, as long as you fix it I thats all that matters.
I guess they will replace the lens glass with something other that what came out of the factory. No point in putting the same thing back on there. He probably couldn't comment as this will effect every single One M8 which means they would all have to be recalled. Expensive!
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How did your repair go? Ironically I should have just looked on here. I had noticed this same scratched camera coating though my phone has been in a case since Day 1, is always in a pocket with no other items and I never place it on tables, etc. The chat guy says that cosmetic is typically not covered but in this case we'll cover it. I ship my phone and get an email two days later that the repair will cost $300 if I want the camera fixed. Or I can choose not to fix it but will have to pay administrative costs? Ugh.. would have not bothered if the chat guy hadn't literally said most cosmetic is not covered but we will cover this repair. Plus of course I've been without a phone for a week now but would have not bothered if it's gonna end up costing me $40. Poor form HTC..
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How did your repair go? Ironically I should have just looked on here. I had noticed this same scratched camera coating though my phone has been in a case since Day 1, is always in a pocket with no other items and I never place it on tables, etc. The chat guy says that cosmetic is typically not covered but in this case we'll cover it. I ship my phone and get an email two days later that the repair will cost $300 if I want the camera fixed. Or I can choose not to fix it but will have to pay administrative costs? Ugh.. would have not bothered if the chat guy hadn't literally said most cosmetic is not covered but we will cover this repair. Plus of course I've been without a phone for a week now but would have not bothered if it's gonna end up costing me $40. Poor form HTC..
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If you call and complain and talk to a supervisor they will do it for free and expedite.
flayzeraynx said:
i am struggling with same issue and looking for some solutions.. this morning i tried toothpaste but i didn't like the results too much
i will give a shot with following this directions, tonigh
https://www.youtube.com/embed/09k9t3Y2BJg
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Try with a pencil eraser..
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ingenious247 said:
You've got to be kidding me.
After the M7 camera fiasco, they allowed this to happen?
My wife just got hers last week, and it's having reboot and connectivity issues (completely stock, unrooted)
I'm going to have her exchange it for the S5, I'm done with HTC's idiocy.
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Auto reboot and connectivity issue?
I use until now never face either.
Though probably not as easy as the S5, it still is technically removable and you can change the battery if you follow the directions, its in the Galaxy S6 manual on page 138
Here is the manual: http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/c...M-G920F_UM_EU_Lollipop_Eng_Rev.1.0_150302.pdf
DISCLAIMER: Attempting this on your own is doing so at your own risk, and I am not responsible for any damage to your phone
HERE IS A VIDEO OF HOW IT WORKS: http://youtu.be/gYDXuK_Hy3I
Not exactly an on-the-go process, though.
I wonder what's actually holding the glass cover on. It just says remove it. It can't just be laying on there. Maybe some type of adhesive that has to be heated. Either way, it seems that it will be easy to replace the battery.
beaverslayer said:
I wonder what's actually holding the glass cover on. It just says remove it. It can't just be laying on there. Maybe some type of adhesive that has to be heated. Either way, it seems that it will be easy to replace the battery.
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Yeah I read it was some adhesive. I hear you just need to heat the phone to melt the adhesive (apparently there is a video someone doing it with a blowdryer [Not with a Galaxy S6 but with another phone]), the pull the cover off and go on from there...doesn't seem that hard to do
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Yeah I read it was some adhesive. I hear you just need to heat the phone to melt the adhesive (apparently there is a video someone doing it with a blowdryer [Not with a Galaxy S6 but with another phone]), the pull the cover off and go on from there...doesn't seem that hard to do
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Ya and voids the warranty, though! Not a problem after the first year though.
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Not exactly an on-the-go process, though.
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"Non removable type"
Is this implying there is a type with a removable battery?
crazy talk said:
"Non removable type"
Is this implying there is a type with a removable battery?
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/Alleged-Galaxy-S6-battery-pack-snapped-confirming-2600-mAh-capacity_id66182
The battery is like this..... it is a non-removable type for you on street or newbies but if you do it carefully in home then it is actually removable.
smooth4lyfe said:
Yeah I read it was some adhesive. I hear you just need to heat the phone to melt the adhesive (apparently there is a video someone doing it with a blowdryer [Not with a Galaxy S6 but with another phone]), the pull the cover off and go on from there...doesn't seem that hard to do
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Work in phone repairs.
Many phones require adhesive heating to get to the internals.
All the Sony's Z's, for example.
Thank god I can replace the battery relatively easily on the s6. I just saw a video of how to replace the battery on the HTC m8 and lol.
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Nationalmaverick said:
Work in phone repairs.
Many phones require adhesive heating to get to the internals.
All the Sony's Z's, for example.
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So you would be able to do this easily...is it a special kind of adhesive? How easy is the process?
Im sure it works similar to this...cant be too hard!!
http://youtu.be/gYDXuK_Hy3I
It's removable in the same way that the iPhone 6 battery is removable....
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So you would be able to do this easily...is it a special kind of adhesive? How easy is the process?
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Yep any phone repair place worth their salt will have a precise setup already in place for this, I obviously haven't seen the new Galaxies but its about a 45 minute process on the Zs and they're considered by our team to be a real pain relatively speaking.
Two thoughts come to mind. First, I do battery-pull reboots of my S5 all the time (it black screen locks up due to a hardware issue) and I think most of us that flash ROMs have done the same a few times over the years. For instance, how would you get out of download mode if you don't flash anything? I hope that's addressed somewhere.
Second, I hope it comes with everything it needs for wireless charging out of the box. The S5 supports it but needs a coil inserted inside the back cover. I hope that all goes down easily because I've switched to completely wireless charging these days.
bigray327 said:
Two thoughts come to mind. First, I do battery-pull reboots of my S5 all the time (it black screen locks up due to a hardware issue) and I think most of us that flash ROMs have done the same a few times over the years. For instance, how would you get out of download mode if you don't flash anything? I hope that's addressed somewhere.
Second, I hope it comes with everything it needs for wireless charging out of the box. The S5 supports it but needs a coil inserted inside the back cover. I hope that all goes down easily because I've switched to completely wireless charging these days.
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Ive used the one plus one, the LG G2, and the HTC one m7 all without removable backs. You just hold the power button. no matter where are you in the system partition, (recovery, system or download mode or fastboot mode) holding the power button will yield a reboot or a power off state. and to reply to this thread, its not an easy thing the average joe can do but i myself fix friends phones and have a heatgun so heating up the back glass to soften the adhesive and chnage the battery after the first or second year doesnt look like it'll be a problem. the problem i do have however is if the phone rejects the new battery. my LG G2 rejected the newer battery and that thing would die at 50% and not charge all the way. even after calibration. but back its original battery and everything worked fine again
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Two thoughts come to mind. First, I do battery-pull reboots of my S5 all the time (it black screen locks up due to a hardware issue) and I think most of us that flash ROMs have done the same a few times over the years. For instance, how would you get out of download mode if you don't flash anything? I hope that's addressed somewhere.
Second, I hope it comes with everything it needs for wireless charging out of the box. The S5 supports it but needs a coil inserted inside the back cover. I hope that all goes down easily because I've switched to completely wireless charging these days.
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(1) For phones with non-removable batteries, there are certain buttons held together to perform hard reset, which is pretty much the same as a battery pull. I think for Samsung devices is Vol Down + Home Button
(2) The S6 is capable of wireless charging out the box, but its confirmed it will not come with a wireless charger in the box. The wireless charger is sold separately for $59.99
I feel famous
- https://bgr.com/2015/03/07/galaxy-s6-removable-battery/
- https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/actually-remove-galaxy-s6-battery-just-takes-145938651.html
Judging from these leaked housings:
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The back will be adhered using some sort of adhesive, which is considerably difficult to remove by a user with little/no phone repair experience. As noted by the manual, those instructions "are only for your service provider or an authorised repair agent." By this logic, every smartphone (even the HTC One's sandwiched design) has a removable battery, just of varying process complexity.
Nationalmaverick said:
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Many phones require adhesive heating to get to the internals.
All the Sony's Z's, for example.
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If we're comparing Samsungs with Sonys, the S6 is more similar to the Z1 than it is to the Z3, because it also involves unscrewing a cover that covers the logic board. But in fact, the S6 is actually very similar to the S5 in that the back housing covering the internals also makes up the side bezel of the phone, albeit being disassembled screen-first, and it is not made of metal/glass. Otherwise, both the S5 and S6 have a mid-frame chassis on which the logic board is mounted on, covered by the back housing then the battery cover.
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Im sure it works similar to this...cant be too hard!!
http://youtu.be/gYDXuK_Hy3I
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The Z3 in that video has been prepared in advance. Take a look at this video, and skip to 2:55:
The Z2 and Z3 both have that stretchy white adhesive holding the back down in the middle. If you expect the Z3's back cover to come off that easily, you're gonna have a bad time.
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The Z3 in that video has been prepared in advance. Take a look at this video, and skip to 2:55:
The Z2 and Z3 both have that stretchy white adhesive holding the back down in the middle. If you expect the Z3's back cover to come off that easily, you're gonna have a bad time.
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Out of curiousity, is it a special adhesive that cannot be purchased in stores? Say a laymen person was to remove it on his own by watching a YouTube video. How would he be able to put the cover back on tightly?
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Out of curiousity, is it a special adhesive that cannot be purchased in stores? Say a laymen person was to remove it on his own by watching a YouTube video. How would he be able to put the cover back on tightly?
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There are two ways of re-applying that adhesive:
1. Use a roll of black 3M tape, and cut it by hand and sticking it around the perimeter of the glass
2. Buy pre-cut double-sided tape that is made specifically for your application (recommended)
Pictured below is a typical roll of 3M tape, underneath a typical pre-cut tape:
The former may be able to be purchased in a hardware store, but the latter may not.