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Will we be ignored by developers ?

It seems like plenty more attention is being given to the international version.

Phone hasn't even been out 2 weeks! Give it time.

Not if they are with Sprint, ATT, Tmobile, US Cellular, Rogers, or Verizon..... I gotta say, I am amazed at how fast development is moving on this phone. Two weeks, and we have cm10, cm9, MIUI is right around the corner. What more do you want?

We have plenty of great developers already and more are on the way. We have Jelly Bean within a month of release and it's good enough to be a daily driver. Be grateful.

Phone hasn't been out very long yet. Already have root, ROM's.... Kernels. Also have 2 of the best Devs... Ktoonsez and Task
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Sidneymac said:
It seems like plenty more attention is being given to the international version.
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The international version covers 30+ countries, of course it is going to have more developers than the two countries that use this version (Canada & US).
The positive side is that they get to lay all the ground work, and eventually that work gets ported or brought over to ours.
All in due time.

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Sidneymac said:
It seems like plenty more attention is being given to the international version.
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Less than two weeks in and we've got a nearly rock-solid CM10 preview build available. Been using it for a few days and it's awesome. I sure don't feel ignored.

I mean, sure, the Verizon version is gonna get shafted, but everybody else seems like it's all systems go.

jasvncnt1 said:
Also have 2 of the best Devs... Ktoonsez and Task
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Dont forget Cyanogen
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The better question is what do you want that isn't out already?

Sidneymac said:
It seems like plenty more attention is being given to the international version.
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Yes, that's why more aspiring devs have to step up. /endsarcasm
|Trolling with a smile|

Jamin13 said:
Yes, that's why more aspiring devs have to step up. /endsarcasm
|Trolling with a smile|
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lol, I know.....its gonna be interesting seeing what this cyanogen guy can do, and that noobnl guy, along with all the other freaking awesome devs on this phone.

tekhna said:
I mean, sure, the Verizon version is gonna get shafted, but everybody else seems like it's all systems go.
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You obviously haven't been paying attention to the insanely intricate R&D that folks like AdamOutlier have been conducting.

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You obviously haven't been paying attention to the insanely intricate R&D that folks like AdamOutlier have been conducting.
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I was concerned about the development before changing to the North American variant but have to say that I have been impressed. I have a feeling that down the road, there may be devs who are able to port some of the SGS3 international Roms to ours as well. Its been out barely a month and even less in other areas (Canadian launch was June 27th), but I have to say that things look very promising thus far. The CM10 preview was very much a nice surprise too

I would not use "left behind" in any way to describe the US variants of the Galaxy S3, with the exception of maybe our carriers taking forever to get official updates from Samsung out to us.
All of the four major US variants currently have CM9 builds. The Verizon variant doesn't appear on get.cm, but official repos for it exist, and with the progress of the auto-kexec exploit and all the work CVPCS has been putting in on streamlining it, I can definitely see the possibility of it getting official support.
If you're referring to tons of independent developer ROMs not popping up, all I can say is that the phone has only been out a couple of weeks. I can't speak for the other variants, but the Verizon version has had a couple stock-based ROMs, and I already mentioned the AOSP-variants like CM9.
So, no, I don't think we're left behind in any way.

The NA Variants (US Mostly) are officially being supported by Cyanogen, do you really need any other ROM, AOKP is already out as well, those really are the only 2 roms you should need.

Uuuuh? Lack of developers? Are you joking?
We already have official CM10 with almost everything working... There are so many touchwiz-based ROMs already out. (Most touchwiz based ROMs aren't "real" works of development. I mean no disrespect to developers and I said MOST, not all.)

yousefak said:
Uuuuh? Lack of developers? Are you joking?
We already have official CM10 with almost everything working... There are so many touchwiz-based ROMs already out. (Most touchwiz based ROMs aren't "real" works of development. I mean no disrespect to developers and I said MOST, not all.)
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Says the guy with a giant "BLAZER ROM" signature. Lol! JK! I think we'll be fine. Unfortunately the fragmentation between carriers when sharing the same device leeds developers to spread around based on their allegiance to whatever carrier.
Personally, I think Sprint's development is one of the strongest (doesn't compare to the int'l version though).

Chilled26 said:
We have plenty of great developers already and more are on the way. We have Jelly Bean within a month of release and it's good enough to be a daily driver. Be grateful.
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Who released a JellyBean ROM ? Only CM10 ?

Sidneymac said:
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International will always have more development. This phone is young still
All I have to say is wow -_-
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[Ref] Note 2 Dev List the Unofficial.

This is the unofficial thread to find the list of developers for the Samsung Galaxy Note II.
If you are a developer and or ROM maker/cooker would like to confirm that you are going to dev on this device please send me a pm, and I will add you to the list. In past experiences these types of threads have shown to be very helpful to build dev support for a device, and also to help people decide on a device.
What, actually is the list for?
Basically its for people and devs to see all the dev support the device will have. This sometimes is the deciding factor for getting a phone. If there's huge dev support more people will come. This makes it easier for people to find information on what devs will be supporting the note 2.
To pm me and get added to the list Click Here.
Let's make this Galaxy Note II community awesome!
Confirmed Developers
1.Utacka
2.thering1975
3.DakiX
4.::indie::
5.m3dd0g
6.Crash 1976
7.g.lewarne
8.toxicthunder
9.awesomehacker
10.KashaMalaga
11.-Viperboy-
12.lennyuk
13.Dexter_nlb
14.DocRambone
15.imilka
16.f3w1n
17.kristofpetho
18.mike1986.
19.Stavr0s91i
20.wanam
21.xator91
22.Beukhof1
23.ptmr3
24.Anas M.I
25.cpu999
26.AndreiLux
27.Chainfire
28.Patrics83
29.Chenglu
30.bigbiff

Hi,
Thanks for starting this thread. I just want to ask "Do you think there be a lot of development for this phone?" Particularly for Note II, in general for future Samsung phones.
I just finished watching this video here or here and I just heard about some developers leaving Samsung altogether? Samsung locking bootloaders? Samsung getting too big for their own ego?
I currently own the Int'l N7000 and I found the development to be good for what I want. I didn't check out the i717 thread but I assume they are fair.
I'm not really experienced in rooting but I found Samsung Note to be fairly straight forward. I recently rooted an HTC Amaze 4G and the numerous steps plus the lack of info made me never to buy an HTC phone (even if I do like the HTC One X, my friend has the North American version and he said development is low there).
This is one reason why I'm holding out on the Note II until Feb 2013, maybe even Sept 2013 (in case Note 3) comes out because I want to see how the development plays out.
I know the phone just came out, but I assumed International Note development should be all hunky dory but I never know. Makes me not want to switch devices. I had an Int'l Galaxy S2 previously and development for that is great!
I hear Sony development is awesome. But then, I think I'll just go get a Nexus for ease of development (but the screen is so small!)
What do you guys think?
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Confirmed Developers
1.Utacka
2.thering1975
3.DakiX
4.::indie::
5........
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thanks leafsacc, I wasn't aware of this until now. I'm still not sure what's going on but I assumed there would be a way around a bootloader, as coders always find a way :highfive:
but reading the below, says it could have been verizon which was the cause of the bootloader, not samsung. so why is xdadevtv directing his video to samsung? is it because no open source was given for the s3? has it still not been released? will it be? anyone care to sum it up for some of us who aren't in the know? :>
Based on Samsung’s track record of always shipping devices with unlocked bootloaders, we can all safely deduce that Verizon is the one to blame here.
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http://www.xda-developers.com/android/verizon-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-unlocked/

For starters cm will not support n7100 if samsung dont change their ways. atleast the current dev team in cm will not support newer samsung exynos devices. i9300/n80xx was the last. Only way to get n7100 supported is if samsung cooperate or a new dev join cm dev team.
Without cm support i cannot do my paranoidandroid from source as I do with n7000. Time will tell if some new dev join cm samsung team or samsung get their act together. Dont look good though.
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Utacka said:
For starters cm will not support n7100 if samsung dont change their ways. atleast the current dev team in cm will not support newer samsung exynos devices. i9300/n80xx was the last. Only way to get n7100 supported is if samsung cooperate or a new dev join cm dev team.
Without cm support i cannot do my paranoidandroid from source as I do with n7000. Time will tell if some new dev join cm samsung team or samsung get their act together. Dont look good though.
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Whoops not good news :crying: i need also sources...

Well I don't get it because it is sharing most of the hardware with S3 so the stuff should be at least ported easily.
Now I understand Samsung being a complete ass with their proprietary drivers
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jbounours said:
Well I don't get it because it is sharing most of the hardware with S3 so the stuff should be at least ported easily.
Now I understand Samsung being a complete ass with their proprietary drivers
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You still need one of the dev maintaining exynos devices to buy n7100 and then maintaining it... we can hope for someone to step up but its their freetime and money. Entropy512 told me he would be buying at&t version which is nearly identical if samsung would change their behavior. All we can do for now is to sit and wait...
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Hi guys, my ROM is finally finished and now uploaded at 89%.
I need a tester! My Note 2 has not arrived yet
Please write via PM.

You forgot chainfire..
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This is a great thread. I hope more chefs will chime in.
I am considering a Note II but it is absolutely vital that CM is developed for it, together with Paranoid Android. Especially since Key Lime Pie (CM11?) is be around the corner.
I also think it is important with AOSP/AOKP development for it.
So I hope the issue will be sorted during this month. If not, I am afraid that I have to consider a different game plan.
Buying a device without proper developer support is a no go for me.

For everyone woundering about my sources here is a statement from Entropy512:
Entropy512 said:
Not likely to happen. If CM comes to the Note 2, it will only be if a new maintainer steps up.
Most of the current Exynos maintainer team (myself, espenfjo, codeworkx) and others have all decided that our current devices will be our last non-Nexus Exynos devices. I'm not sure about xplodwild, but I have a feeling he's highly unlikely to take up another Haxxinos with the rest of us gone and given his prior experiences with it.
If Samsung changes their attitude towards developers, this might change, but their attitude lately (zero documentation, zero platform source code, a trend towards bootloader locking - Only the Verizon S3 has a locked bootloader now, but Samsung has had the infrastructure in place since the S2 and they are constantly adding more checks) has led to the current Exynos maintainer team deciding that enough is enough. I don't think any of us are going to do anything to make Samsung's Exynos devices more attractive to any particular market segment until they provide assistance (in the form of technical documentation and source code) in return. I don't know about the others, but if they offer me a free device I'll say no - I refuse to participate in a PR stunt like the I9100 donations were.
Pretty much the only way I'll go back is if I see reference platform source that is up to the same standards as CAF and omapzoom, or they actually start providing real documentation and source code for the devices I'm currently working with.
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Thanks entwicklun,
I Googled "verizon locked bootloader samsung galaxy note" and from what I understand that it was Verizon's request to lock the bootloader. Not sure what I would do if I was Samsung but my guess is, if it helps sell more phones on Verizon then lock the boot loader. Money talks, right?
But then I'm hearing news about Samsung not giving developers this and that, just like the example below.
jbounours said:
Well I don't get it because it is sharing most of the hardware with S3 so the stuff should be at least ported easily.
Now I understand Samsung being a complete ass with their proprietary drivers
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And I also need a phone that will have Paranoid Android (and the odd CM here and there), but it must also a 5" phablet. I guess there is nothing wrong with my current Note, but again by searching on Google there's a possibility that the "next big thing" might be the HTC Google Nexus X+. If that has an expansion card slot, that's it, I'm not getting the Note 2.
E90 Commie said:
This is a great thread. I hope more chefs will chime in.
I am considering a Note II but it is absolutely vital that CM is developed for it, together with Paranoid Android. Especially since Key Lime Pie (CM11?) is be around the corner.
I also think it is important with AOSP/AOKP development for it.
So I hope the issue will be sorted during this month. If not, I am afraid that I have to consider a different game plan.
Buying a device without proper developer support is a no go for me.
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Thanks for all the work the dev's put in. I'm just saying, my next phone is where the developers are. Samsung doesn't own us. :laugh:

I'll be here when I get my note2 in December
For those that don't know, TW ROM, aokp and multi booting kernel (or at least 2 sesperate kernels )
Myself and utaka could probably come up with a aosp supporting kernel for the device if official CM does not materialise.

Crash Rom will be here to
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cheers, I'm sure those browsing like me will know what's up now.
I've already ordered my note 2, but I would fully support the dev crew. even if that means selling my note 2 at a loss and buying what's being developed, pending though. I do like phablets and if the x+ doesn't have an exspansion slot then I probably wouldn't buy it.
I also hope aokp devs on the note 2. I certainly love their ROMS

leafsacc said:
Samsung getting too big for their own ego?
I currently own the Int'l N7000 and I found the development to be good for what I want. But then, I think I'll just go get a Nexus for ease of development (but the screen is so small!)
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g.lewarne said:
I'll be here when I get my note2 in December
For those that don't know, TW ROM, aokp and multi booting kernel (or at least 2 sesperate kernels )
Myself and utaka could probably come up with a aosp supporting kernel for the device if official CM does not materialise.
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Are noobs like me allowed to jump in please?
Utacka sir is so kind to us all in his PA thread
Anyways, I think devving for this device would initially start with kanged TW based ROMs. With CM wary on supporting the device, it does seem a bit dark but hey, I am sure there are others to step up.
But then again, you can never be too sure.
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BTW, next nexus device is perhaps open to all OEMs.
Might be an Optimus from LG but from what I've read other manufactures are welcome to jump in and join the party.
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I am the same, an expansion card slot is a big plus.
development support is also a big factor.
I would flash aokp right now but i'm so scared of emmc bug (which I assume will not be in the Note 2 just like it did not exist in GB ROM Notes. But who knows if "Key Lime Pie/Kandy Kane" might have a similar brick bug) on ICS kangs that I just stay far, far, away.
My ultimate fav is CassiesXtraLite so it's good to see thering1975 on the list.
entwicklun said:
I do like phablets and if the x+ doesn't have an exspansion slot then I probably wouldn't buy it.
I also hope aokp devs on the note 2. I certainly love their ROMS
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I might bring VillainRom to the Note2, but only if/when we can get our OTA update/optional mods app up and running to a high enough standard.

Would be nice to know for wich model is going to work each developer.
- f3w1n -

[INFO] codeworkx will no longer make CM for the S4.

Who will be our CM dev?
Update: Looks like w00tc0d3 will make CM for the Qualcomm version.
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Who will be our CM dev?
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Don't worry... someone will. This device will be to popular not to have CM.

Re: codeworkx will no longer make CM for the S4.
Generally there were 3 developers who maintained samsung devices
1. Codeworkx
2. Entropy512 and
3. Xplodwild
Of them the first 2 have vowed to never waste their time on exynos
Xplodwild is still there but how much time he will have I have no idea..
It will be very difficult to get competent and experienced developers so quickly ..
So initially S4 will definitely be behind in AOSP development IMO
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The way Samsung is treating the dev's & developer community I doubt anyone from CM team will be left with Samsung devices in near future :/

If you want CM or AOSP don't buy Samsung's devices. They never have offered any real support toward third party development. Ask Entropy512 and he'll tell you the whole story. They promise something but never live up to their words. I'm sure some people here still remember the Exynos saga.

Re: codeworkx will no longer make CM for the S4.
There's always the North American versions.
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AW: codeworkx will no longer make CM for the S4.
Don't worry, S4 cones with Snapdragon 600, Exynos will be released late summer. I think dev support will be great!

I'm pretty sure development support for this device will be poppin! The S3 and the S2 didn't disappoint.
Just wanna know who our CM developer will be.

Reviewers said:
I'm pretty sure development support for this device will be poppin! The S3 and the S2 didn't disappoint.
Just wanna know who our CM developer will be.
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I wouldn't be sure of that. The most experienced devs for Exynos are sick of it and won't support S4. Maybe new will come, but will they as good as them?
CM is a community-project so devs are not forced to develop for a device even if it's popular if they want they do. I think S4 will be far behind other AOSP devices. Just take a look at S2 and S3. If you want CM don't for Samsung, go Sony or Nexus. Don't be disappointed about CM on S4 (if it will be released?), you have been warned.

vortox said:
I wouldn't be sure of that. The most experienced devs for Exynos are sick of it and won't support S4.
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Don't forget that for the majority it will be a Qualcomm device, not Exynos....

Same kind of statement from Gokhan Moral http://www.gokhanmoral.com/

AW: codeworkx will no longer make CM for the S4.
I'm using touchwiz based Roms since I got a S2.
My phones always work, they never let me down.
I see no reason to install a AOSP rom.
On a Nexus 7 AOSP ROMs are stock+extras.
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Developing for a Samsung device is a nightmare.
End of story.
I warn any of you who expects a thriving developing community here to look elsewhere.
A popular device like this is no use if Samsung won't even support the devs here.

Livebyte said:
Developing for a Samsung device is a nightmare.
End of story.
I warn any of you who expects a thriving developing community here to look elsewhere.
A popular device like this is no use if Samsung won't even support the devs here.
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I really need removable battery and extra SD ... so where to go?
HTC One or Sony Experia Z

Mittaa said:
I really need removable battery and extra SD ... so where to go?
HTC One or Sony Experia Z
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Sarcasm, interesting.
LG Optimus G Pro.
A Snapdragon 600 device.

Well for the Qualcomm devices (AKA US versions) I would expect Cyanogen himself to continue to support it as he has for the S3 (US versions)
That being said... I have little to no faith that VZW will have an ulocked bootloader so I am personally not even going to look at this device until that issue is taken care of..

kejar31 said:
Well for the Qualcom devices (AKA US versions) I would expect the Cyanogen himself to continue to support it as he has for the S3 (US versions)
That being said... I have little to no faith that VZW will have an ulocked bootloader so I am personally not even going to look at this device until that issue is taken care of..
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It's probably true for the Qualcomm versions.
You US people always get the good stuff!

Livebyte said:
Sarcasm, interesting.
LG Optimus G Pro.
A Snapdragon 600 device.
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Just seen review from LG Optimus G Pro. Nice phone, good battery ... locked bootloader, bad bad bad support when it comes to upgrades and bug fixes (worse than Samsung!). And to be honest I hate iWhore(ish) glass back and front ... always use case anyway.
Liked the idea of Sony Experia Z water resistance ... but can't pull the battery and just so glossy, glassy
Damned I think I'ill stick with my old SGS2 ... best phone for me ever :good:

Mittaa said:
Just seen review from LG Optimus G Pro. Nice phone, good battery ... locked bootloader, bad bad bad support when it comes to upgrades and bug fixes (worse than Samsung!). And to be honest I hate iWhore(ish) glass back and front ... always use case anyway.
Liked the idea of Sony Experia Z water resistance ... but can't pull the battery and just so glossy, glassy
Damned I think I'ill stick with my old SGS2 ... best phone for me ever :good:
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Viva la Galaxy brother! SGS2 all the way! :good:

CRXed said:
Don't forget that for the majority it will be a Qualcomm device, not Exynos....
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And what make you think that the US version will be sold more than the international version which is available world wide?

Lollipop coming out for Samsung s5 but no OPO yet?

I'm very surprised that Samsung have started to officially push out Lollipop to the S5 and OPO has not yet.
Considering the Touchwiz overlay which we all know is heavy and would require loads of work, where as CM12 doesn't have much of a change over stock Lollipop.
I've been using the CM12 nightlies for a few weeks now and they can be used as a daily driver for me, but there are still little bugs that need to be ironed out.
How has Samsung pipped CM to the post? I'm not sure if CM has just been slow or Samsung has picked up it's act.

Patience mate it will come in due course. CM usually take a while to release stable builds. Other devices are still waiting it will come in due course.

shure2 said:
I'm very surprised that Samsung have started to officially push out Lollipop to the S5 and OPO has not yet.
Considering the Touchwiz overlay which we all know is heavy and would require loads of work, where as CM12 doesn't have much of a change over stock Lollipop.
I've been using the CM12 nightlies for a few weeks now and they can be used as a daily driver for me, but there are still little bugs that need to be ironed out.
How has Samsung pipped CM to the post? I'm not sure if CM has just been slow or Samsung has picked up it's act.
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It's not so surprising when u think about the number of developers/programmers in Samsung as a multi-billion company compared to cyanogen. +I think there may have been some deals between Google and Samsung, LG etc so they get the source code sooner before official release. But that's only what think, no evidence backing up this statement.

shure2 said:
I'm very surprised that Samsung have started to officially push out Lollipop to the S5 and OPO has not yet.
Considering the Touchwiz overlay which we all know is heavy and would require loads of work, where as CM12 doesn't have much of a change over stock Lollipop.
I've been using the CM12 nightlies for a few weeks now and they can be used as a daily driver for me, but there are still little bugs that need to be ironed out.
How has Samsung pipped CM to the post? I'm not sure if CM has just been slow or Samsung has picked up it's act.
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How has Samsung beat CM to the chase? Money. Samsung are rolling in cash and they have a ridiculous amount of it to throw at developing the OS for their devices. Don't forget CM is a tiny (miniscule) company. Plus, the major OEM's get early release access to Android releases. You'll get your Lollipop, just be patient.
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shure2 said:
I'm very surprised that Samsung have started to officially push out Lollipop to the S5 and OPO has not yet.
Considering the Touchwiz overlay which we all know is heavy and would require loads of work, where as CM12 doesn't have much of a change over stock Lollipop.
I've been using the CM12 nightlies for a few weeks now and they can be used as a daily driver for me, but there are still little bugs that need to be ironed out.
How has Samsung pipped CM to the post? I'm not sure if CM has just been slow or Samsung has picked up it's act.
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Samsung probably got off there ass, they have always received new code from google way in advance of it being released to the public.
When it goes public that's when cm gets it.
Please understand all the variables before doing a shame post

I believe they got the code sooner
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Now shouldn't the One plus and CM get it as soon as other OEMs get it? I mean CM is no more bunch of dev doing this part time. I am still not convinced.
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viny2cool said:
Now shouldn't the One plus and CM get it as soon as other OEMs get it? I mean CM is no more bunch of dev doing this part time. I am still not convinced.
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Even if they did get it at the same time, CM would still be behind. It's all about money. Think about it, HTC, Samsung, Sony, LG, they all have squillions of dollars and countless employees to sink into their devices. CM? Nope. CM are a tiny (and new) company, with just a fraction of the money and manpower that the big players have. I really don't understand why everyone is so confused about this.
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timmaaa said:
I really don't understand why everyone is so confused about this.
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Because most consumers have no clue what's going on behind the scenes of these businesses, and ironically this leads them to think they know enough to legitimately criticize them. In America we call them arm-chair quarterbacks. They watch the game on TV the day after it's played completely removed the circumstances of the game, yet somehow they think they know everything and the guy on the field is stupid even though they've never even played the game.

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Even if they did get it at the same time, CM would still be behind. It's all about money. Think about it, HTC, Samsung, Sony, LG, they all have squillions of dollars and countless employees to sink into their devices. CM? Nope. CM are a tiny (and new) company, with just a fraction of the money and manpower that the big players have. I really don't understand why everyone is so confused about this.
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I understand that but the only thing which is kind of icky to me is that CM being the primary OS provider for this phone, should provide the first stable versions for our phone. May be I am not seeing it correctly but looks like everyone gets CM stable releases at the same time. I just got this phone a month so may be I am missing something.
Not complaining or anything, just trying to understand the process.
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CafeKampuchia said:
Because most consumers have no clue what's going on behind the scenes of these businesses, and ironically this leads them to think they know enough to legitimately criticize them. In America we call them arm-chair quarterbacks. They watch the game on TV the day after it's played completely removed the circumstances of the game, yet somehow they think they know everything and the guy on the field is stupid even though they've never even played the game.
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Not trying to start an argument here. But you do understand that the american football is played for the consumer's money (TV rights, stadium fees, ads etc). So if those arm chair QBs are paying to watch the game, they have a right to complain. If the teams or the players have a problem with it then they can go and play in private where no one will ever say a word.
It is similar situation here. The oneplus strategy was to attract consumers by using CM' OS. So I and others have a right to ask questions. You cannot criticize them and call them names. Go take out your frustration on someone else. You don't like this thread? Don't read it and don't comment on it.
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viny2cool said:
It is similar situation here.
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You missed the point. Paying to watch something makes nobody an expert or even knowledgeable about the matter. One is free to complain about the phone one bought, but that gives no understanding about what's going on in the offices of OnePlus or CyanogenMod, or the processes involved in the two of them outing a ROM compared to Samsung.

CafeKampuchia said:
You missed the point. Paying to watch something makes nobody an expert or even knowledgeable about the matter. One is free to complain about the phone one bought, but that gives no understanding about what's going on in the offices of OnePlus or CyanogenMod, or the processes involved in the two of them outing a ROM compared to Samsung.
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Exactly and that is what being discuss here. Some people like me are not sure about the things which goes in CM/One Plus office and we are confused on why CM can't get it out sooner then other big OEMs. Small company or not, they are getting paid.
No one goes complaining directly to the players or the teams (or companies in this case). America is a free country and people like you are trying to suppress the freedom of speech. I am going to sit here and ask million questions and you cannot stop me. Exactly like I can't stop you from replying to my messages .
If you want to contribute to answering then the question, then please do. If not then please stop creating arguments here.

Cyanogenmod have releases for a boat load of different phones with different hardware, they get the lollipop source as it's released to the public and they're are a very small company. Unlike Samsung, HTC, LG and Sony which have many developers and early access to the android source code so they can develop the next android version with their respective skin on top. If you want to complain about cyanogenmod, feel free to do so just know they're a small niche operating system compared to the big OEM's. But you can take a look at cyanogenmod's Gerrit and see they're working hard on the CM12 branch, that's something you can't see with the big OEM's
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viny2cool said:
Exactly and that is what being discuss here. Some people like me are not sure about the things which goes in CM/One Plus office and we are confused on why CM can't get it out sooner then other big OEMs. Small company or not, they are getting paid.
No one goes complaining directly to the players or the teams (or companies in this case). America is a free country and people like you are trying to suppress the freedom of speech. I am going to sit here and ask million questions and you cannot stop me. Exactly like I can't stop you from replying to my messages .
If you want to contribute to answering then the question, then please do. If not then please stop creating arguments here.
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So if I don't say what you want to hear, I just stop posting... I get it now. I guess I misunderstood what freedom of speech was before. :silly:

No point.
Why care about a Galaxy Sx getting lollipop before? It sucks anyway...:silly:

shure2 said:
I'm very surprised that Samsung have started to officially push out Lollipop to the S5 and OPO has not yet.
Considering the Touchwiz overlay which we all know is heavy and would require loads of work, where as CM12 doesn't have much of a change over stock Lollipop.
I've been using the CM12 nightlies for a few weeks now and they can be used as a daily driver for me, but there are still little bugs that need to be ironed out.
How has Samsung pipped CM to the post? I'm not sure if CM has just been slow or Samsung has picked up it's act.
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You forgot something, it's only officially available to the S5 in... Poland. Otherwise you still would have to root/ROM the Lollipop update onto the S5 no differently than a CM12 nightly and then it will only work on the international version. For the vast majority of S5 users they won't see an official OTA update for months, well after CM has delivered Lollipop to the OPO. Once it's made available to the US carriers expect massive delays again so they can 'certify' the ROM before pushing it out. If you really think that the extremely limited, country specific, release 'beat' CM to Lollipop you either have never played in the Android world or you have massively misplaced expectations.

BrianDigital said:
Samsung probably got off there ass, they have always received new code from google way in advance of it being released to the public.
When it goes public that's when cm gets it.
Please understand all the variables before doing a shame post
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Could you please provide a source to show Samsung get the code early?

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You forgot something, it's only officially available to the S5 in... Poland. Otherwise you still would have to root/ROM the Lollipop update onto the S5 no differently than a CM12 nightly and then it will only work on the international version. For the vast majority of S5 users they won't see an official OTA update for months, well after CM has delivered Lollipop to the OPO. Once it's made available to the US carriers expect massive delays again so they can 'certify' the ROM before pushing it out. If you really think that the extremely limited, country specific, release 'beat' CM to Lollipop you either have never played in the Android world or you have massively misplaced expectations.
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So you can root and anyone with a European S5 can get a genuine released Lollipop. At the moment we are flashing a pre nightly version of an aftermarket ROM, not even a nightly, let alone anywhere close to an official CM12S.
Sure Samsung have money and they should need it to adapt TouchWiz, but this is basically a stock Lollipop we are waiting for.
I've yet to see anyone quote a reliable source about Samsung getting the code early, but if the do then that would obviously be a good reason for CM appearing slow.

CM are slow look into previous CM releases go back to when Kit Kat was released, or Jelly Bean etc. CM support a number of devices each with different drivers and such CM access the code once it's released to public as mentioned on many posts here. Now that's CM. If OPO wanted to I assume they could release an AOSP version of Lollipop if they wish to like how they did with Kit Kat. CM won't rush and roll out a semi working CM12S for the sake of it we haven't even got official nightlies yet. We are still within the 90 day promise so there's plenty of time left still.

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So you can root and anyone with a European S5 can get a genuine released Lollipop. At the moment we are flashing a pre nightly version of an aftermarket ROM, not even a nightly, let alone anywhere close to an official CM12S.
Sure Samsung have money and they should need it to adapt TouchWiz, but this is basically a stock Lollipop we are waiting for.
I've yet to see anyone quote a reliable source about Samsung getting the code early, but if the do then that would obviously be a good reason for CM appearing slow.
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It doesn't matter even an iota that it's stock Android that we're waiting for. That doesn't make it any less work to get it working for a device. You should look into exactly what is involved in getting a new version of Android running on any non-Nexus device, because clearly you're under the false impression that it's a sinch to do, which it most definitely is not. This is all about money and resources.

Any i9500 developer working on Marshmallow rom ?

I am seeing that i9505 got 3 marshmallow roms from different developers. Whats up with i9500 developers, are they working on something or is everyone sleeping :laugh:

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I am seeing that i9505 got 3 marshmallow roms from different developers. Whats up with i9500 developers, are they working on something or is everyone sleeping :laugh:
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EXACTLY!!! And one of the devs has done it albeit with major bugs but AFAIK he has left the 9500 development without even sharing the link!! And last year we got the HUGE update (Lollipop) in less than a month, by the end of Nov. However now, it's more thn 2 months M has been released and altough it's a relatively small update compared to L, nobody has done it. I hope the devs will soon turn off their hibernation mode and get on track. We know this isn't their job, but they can do it! Our devs are the best!!

bessian said:
I am seeing that i9505 got 3 marshmallow roms from different developers. Whats up with i9500 developers, are they working on something or is everyone sleeping :laugh:
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EXACTLY!!! And one of the devs has done it albeit with major bugs but AFAIK he has left the 9500 development without even sharing the link!! And last year we got the HUGE update (Lollipop) in less than a month, by the end of Nov. However now, it's more thn 2 months M has been released and altough it's a relatively small update compared to L, nobody has done it. I hope the devs will soon turn off their hibernation mode and get on track. We know this isn't their job, but they can do it! Our devs are the best!!
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It's because you got a ****ty device with a ****ty chip and no documentation on the chip. Same story with the S5, S6, S6edge etc. Exynos sucks. So it's 10 times harder to develop a rom for you device.

Lennyz1988 said:
It's because you got a ****ty device with a ****ty chip and no documentation on the chip. Same story with the S5, S6, S6edge etc. Exynos sucks. So it's 10 times harder to develop a rom for you device.
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I know it is much harder and I got a $#itty device, but if I knew these stuff back then, I'd rather die than get 9500. However, done is done, you can't get back infortunately :crying:
But the fact that it is already partially developed is burning me cause it's not being released to the public. Furthermore, N3 exy also has CM13 and released to the public even though it has a slight laggy touch input bug

Azar_98 said:
I know it is much harder and I got a $#itty device, but if I knew these stuff back then, I'd rather die than get 9500. However, done is done, you can't get back infortunately :crying:
But the fact that it is already partially developed is burning me cause it's not being released to the public. Furthermore, N3 exy also has CM13 and released to the public even though it has a slight laggy touch input bug
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There is no point at all releasing a rom that is far from usable. But you just have to be patient. There probably will be a working version eventually:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=63796113&postcount=1858

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There is no point at all releasing a rom that is far from usable. But you just have to be patient. There probably will be a working version eventually:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=63796113&postcount=1858
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Thanks man! Just contacted him btw and asked if he could give me a link to download it.

@Azar_98
It isn't even released yet. You can track GearCM's GitHub and see what changes are made for our device-tree, rather than request a blind build.
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