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So, no Ginger or ICS. Thanks Sammy!

It's official, we are no longer supported.
Thank you to all DEVs that have been cooking & porting ROMs with the latest. Without you, my phone would be an expensive and out-of-date purchase.
Would I ever buy another Sammy phone? Maybe, they do seem to have great specs compare to others.
Cheers.

can you provide with the link of the info???

Agreed thanks devs for all the hard work! Thanks for giving us yummy ics
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flexxoo said:
can you provide with the link of the info???
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Here's one from Android Matters, http://www.droidmatters.com/news/galaxy-s-and-galaxy-tab-will-not-get-ice-cream-sandwich-says-samsung/
I've read this on many other news websites, just Google it.

Is this the Death Blow?
Huffington Post - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1183578.html
ComputerWorld - http://blogs.computerworld.com/19513...urce=rss_blogs

Once again... This is news for the International Version of Galaxy S. Our beloved Vibrant was left out way back in the Froyo Days. The International at least got GB source released and even official for all but the Vibrant.
So sorry if this is rude but, this is no news to us Vibrant owners.

Samsung hasnt really made the final verdict yet.. thoae links you showed were later overturned by overwhelmingly bad response from the community.. sasumg said they might reconsider
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read the news today?
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...-includes-face-unlock-and-other-ics-features/
seems like samsung had (or has?) been working on some GB/ICS features for the i9000 series.
Can't complain, it's official software, whether it was leaked legitimately or not. This may be a very good sign for us.

GPS Fail
[ROM][07-JAN][4.0.3] ICS (Ice Cream Sandwich) Passion v10.6 - Proof it can and does work just fine on Galaxy S hardware.
As far as leaving out Touch Whiz... I seriously doubt most would consider that a deal breaker . Leave it out if it won't fit. That reason is too lame to explain why official updates just stopped so early in this phone's life.
It is simple in my mind. Samsung screwed the pooch on 10,000,000 phones with the faulty GPS hardware they chose to stick into these phones. All roms, from the "official" garbage Samsung's put to the excellent roms from brilliant developers like the one above, can never seem to get the GPS in these phones working properly.
Samsung wants 10 million Galaxy S phones to just go away, so we'll stop asking them when they're finally going to fix the gps.
Samsung gave up on the Galaxy S long ago.

You know what, the devs here are crazy awesome. They've basically put a stable NON-TOUCHWIZ ICS on our devices (passion and a couple others but passion in particular) and I couldn't be more thankful as I am not well off and have to buy older devices to keep my android addiction fixed thanks devs for all that you do. We truly appreciate you guys
Sending my love from Texas <3
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Flash ICS passion and call it a day. GPS works, mute/unmute is being worked on.
I've been running it for a week and its silky smooth
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JettyLife said:
Flash ICS passion and call it a day. GPS works, mute/unmute is being worked on.
I've been running it for a week and its silky smooth
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So, I've been out of the vibrant loop for a bit. What is the best/most stable daily driver for you guys?

vinas1 said:
So, I've been out of the vibrant loop for a bit. What is the best/most stable daily driver for you guys?
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The most stable rom for me (and not only me) is by far Bionix 1.3.1. After all the roms that i tried(2.3 or ics) Bionix is still the best with no bugs and working gps

vinas1 said:
So, I've been out of the vibrant loop for a bit. What is the best/most stable daily driver for you guys?
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Passion still has a few bugs to work out, but otherwise it's the best rom I've ever had on my Vibrant.

gatorbob said:
Passion still has a few bugs to work out, but otherwise it's the best rom I've ever had on my Vibrant.
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Yep.
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Remember that GPS works* for ICS but with an asterisk! Once your phone goes to deep sleep, GPS won't work until you reboot your phone and use it immediately (before any deep sleep). This is a highly accepted observation.

Support for phones
It's official, we are no longer supported.
Not supporting Sammy but.... I've found this problem (little or no support) with anything that is electronic a common practice. These companies are pushed buy sellers and yes the consumer to come up with the next 'latest and greatest'.
Appliances, TV's, modems, routers, computers... you name it, after months of support Sammy and the like, move along and let the buyer find resources to upgrade.
and so a +1 to your following statement and DEVs'
Thank you to all DEVs that have been cooking & porting ROMs with the latest. Without you, my phone would be an expensive and out-of-date purchase.
+1

Thanks for all the replies... Going to check out a couple of the recommended ROMs tonight. Thanks again!

Sign the petition!
You can sign the petition and see if we can get ICS on the Galaxy S!
change.org/petitions/samsung-were-asking-you-bring-the-galaxy-s-users-an-update
Read this article about Samsung releasing an "update pack" for Galaxy S users...
androidpolice.com/2012/01/07/samsung-galaxy-s-value-pack-update-leaked-brings-minor-ui-changes-face-unlock-and-more/

amg-android said:
You can sign the petition and see if we can get ICS on the Galaxy S!
change.org/petitions/samsung-were-asking-you-bring-the-galaxy-s-users-an-update
Read this article about Samsung releasing an "update pack" for Galaxy S users...
androidpolice.com/2012/01/07/samsung-galaxy-s-value-pack-update-leaked-brings-minor-ui-changes-face-unlock-and-more/
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You mean this Petition?
News Sources are in Post #4 and I-9000 "Value Pack" story is in Post #6
Also I have been pounding AndroidPolice (also in Post #6)in both the Val-Pack story's comments and also on G+. I have seen several people from the G+ article +1'ing me and some of the names i have also seen on the petition's comments. So it is working.
Edit: Just went in and we are at 1132 signatures. That is a little under 100 today alone.

Where is the GT-N8013 Developement?

I see a few GT-N8000 options, but no love for us US Wi-Fi Only (N8013) users.... Hopefully that will change soon

ej_424 said:
I see a few GT-N8000 options, but no love for us US Wi-Fi Only (N8013) users.... Hopefully that will change soon
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The device launched LAST THURSDAY...
Competent developers take time to test and polish their stuff, they don't just throw random crap out into the wild to claim "first".
The only reason the N8000 is ahead right now is because it had about a week headstart in availability.
I can tell you at least two Cyanogenmod device maintainers have purchased or have Note 10.1s on order - Myself (N8013 in my possession) and Espenfjo (N8000 on order), also I think chris41g and at least one other member of the CM team have N8013s.

Same for the Euro N8010 Wifi only version. No dev either...

Entropy512 said:
The device launched LAST THURSDAY...
Competent developers take time to test and polish their stuff, they don't just throw random crap out into the wild to claim "first".
The only reason the N8000 is ahead right now is because it had about a week headstart in availability.
I can tell you at least two Cyanogenmod device maintainers have purchased or have Note 10.1s on order - Myself (N8013 in my possession) and Espenfjo (N8000 on order), also I think chris41g and at least one other member of the CM team have N8013s.
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Understood and makes sense (wasn't aware they had the headstart). Glad to hear you have a 8013 as I've seen alot of good work from you in the past for current and previously owned devices. One quick question... maybe its too early to say, but do you see porting the S-Pen apps and functionality to CM 10 even as an option? Maybe its not even possible....
Thanks again!

I'm so looking forward to the boost CM will give to this tablet judging from my experience with CM9 giving new life to my old Galaxy S Epic 4G.

This device should be quite popular with Developers due to the s-pen. I am betting we have roms galore in about 30 days,
We have root already at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1831152.

It just released, give it time.

ej_424 said:
Understood and makes sense (wasn't aware they had the headstart). Glad to hear you have a 8013 as I've seen alot of good work from you in the past for current and previously owned devices. One quick question... maybe its too early to say, but do you see porting the S-Pen apps and functionality to CM 10 even as an option? Maybe its not even possible....
Thanks again!
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Apps with the S-Pen SDK - No.
Apps that use the standard ICS Pen APIs - Yes - these are becoming more and more common. PS Touch may even be in this category, I won't know until I've tried. I had a bunch of N7000/I777 stuff to do this past weekend so didn't even start on CM10 bringup.
Built-in features such as stylus gestures and an included note-taking app - There was work started on this, the Note 10.1 will make it more important to get this stuff finished. Google dropping JB kind of put a hold on the "new CM features" stuff as we tried to un-break all the old ones.

Might I just say, it is [email protected] good to see you here, Entropy.
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One thing, as far as CM on the N80xx:
I probably could have had CM booting and mostly working with only a few hours of work. However, there's the "quick way" and there's the "right way". The "quick way" would've gotten my N8013 working without providing any benefit for N8000, and without leveraging I9300 commonality. The "right way" takes quite a bit more time - but leverages commonality with the I9300. I'm REALLY hoping we can use the same smdk4412 kernel source tree as the I9300 with just some patches, as it makes maintenance MUCH easier, but could take some time to initially pull in all the right patches.
Similarly, getting an N8013 device tree would've been easy. Having a "common" tree takes more time but means all N80xx devices will pretty much all be maintained to the same degree. See P51xx/P31xx...

Think I saw viperboy lurking in the forum
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Seeing alot of well known Dev's.. This is great and very encouraging. The hardware on this device is awsome, only complan and minor one at that is the screen resolution. In all honesty though it really doesnt bother me much as there ins't much jaggy endges.

As is usual - Whenever Samsung releases a new device (or even a major upgrade to an old device - See I9100 ICS cpufreq derpage which took multiple kernel developers 2-3 weeks to figure out), there's some really derped-up **** in the source.
Right now, any source-built kernel has massive issues with wifi - The SDIO interface just seems to shut down and the chip drops off the face of the earth. This does not happen in the stock kernel.
This one's gonna be a pain in the ass to figure out.
See attached dmesg for an example of the fun...

ilostmypistons said:
Think I saw viperboy lurking in the forum
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Heh, but I promise you I'm nowhere near as good as the CM guys are. Once I get my tablet, I might do a stock ROM with some tweaks but it won't be anything insane.
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-viperboy- said:
Heh, but I promise you I'm nowhere near as good as the CM guys are. Once I get my tablet, I might do a stock ROM with some tweaks but it won't be anything insane.
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So modest
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So modest
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Lol viperboy has no cause for modesty
We look forward to his always excellent work.
I wonder what this will overclock to when they have the kernel figured out?
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model name doubt
HI my note 10.1 is the shw-m480w is the wifi version bough tin korea
how does translates to the other code names so i can flash a custom rom?
Thx in adv

[News] No Android 5.0 upgrade for Galaxy S II

As stated by GSMArena website there will be no Android 5.0 update for Galaxy S2 and obviously should apply to the variants too.
Although this news is leaked from the company's insider, it may be true. This news may be highly disappointing to many. Here's the link. Go ahead check it out.
http://www.gsmarena.com/galaxy_s_ii...roid_50_others_get_stuck_at_422-news-5720.php

Honestly, did anyone ever expect Android 5.0 to be officially released for our device?

dwie said:
Honestly, did anyone ever expect Android 5.0 to be officially released for our device?
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No.. I'm still waiting for the premium pack for 4.1.2 although ! Multitask is not available yet

Thanks for making another thread to tell us. There was a shortage of them.
Extra kudos for linking to gsmarea, rather than the source.

oinkylicious said:
Thanks for making another thread to tell us. There was a shortage of them.
Extra kudos for linking to gsmarea, rather than the source.
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M sorry but lot of people here dont know so I thought about this. And GSMArena was the source through which I got this news so thats why I linked it to the website. And this is the General section so I guess there is no rule not to link websites here for information. No offence.
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gireeshtty9 said:
this is the General section so I guess there is no rule not to link websites here for information. No offence.
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There is a rule about searching before posting, however.

gireeshtty9 said:
M sorry but lot of people here dont know so I thought about this. And GSMArena was the source through which I got this news so thats why I linked it to the website. And this is the General section so I guess there is no rule not to link websites here for information. No offence.
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Whaaaaat?! I thought you were being sarcastic in your first post!
What the hell is happening to xda these days.....
Edit: Nice. Two of the same threads from you!

3 major upgrades for a 2 year old phone still put Samsung as one of the better ones in terms of upgrades ...

jelly bean 4.2.2 is definitely the latest that i expected.
the s2 is too old but still good.
morover the most of us will get a new phone very soon because of the contracts.
and this phone will get android 5 or higher in the future.

Gonna upgrade to another manufacturer i think...since the uk galaxy s4 will be a snapdragon based model and not the octocore we were hoping for...key lime pie will be nice.

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3 major upgrades for a 2 year old phone still put Samsung as one of the better ones in terms of upgrades ...
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Still not sufficient. A 650€ flagship should be supported more than 2 years and 2 poor versions. Ics & JB...
Or at least let the community do their job...

I totally agree, and don't understand the attitude of some people here... I didn't buy the phone just to replace it at the end of contract. It's still working perfect and I don't see the need for a replacement. Samsung should just let the community handle the updates if they are to lazy to do it themselves.

S2 till it dies, and when it does, another s2.
Fu*k it, I'll buy a couple s2 when they get 300 bucks cheap here (It's still at 600 bucks unbranded, 400 branded, crazy).
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we can have it by custom roms.

as expected from samsung, they only care about selling phone and now, if you want android 5 you need to buy and s4,,,shane on you samsung

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as expected from samsung, they only care about selling phone and now, if you want android 5 you need to buy and s4,,,shane on you samsung
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Dude they updated it from 2.3.6 up to 4.1.2 and they will update it to 4.2.2. Some Galaxy devices havent got any update. Just some bugfixes.
I hate samsung for that, but i love touchwiz and their hardware
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Donnie Sins said:
Whaaaaat?! I thought you were being sarcastic in your first post!
What the hell is happening to xda these days.....
Edit: Nice. Two of the same threads from you!
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My post would be closed if its a nuisance over here. This is the General section and therz no problem if I post something usefull or worth knowing info. If you have problems you can PM mod to close this thread.
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Ok, chill out now, no need to get sentimental.
I really wanna see 5.0 and what it's all about, I'm somewhat skeptical on the gigant upgrade that would represent against JB.
If a couple of devs make it work with no issues on their ROMs I don't see why we can't lobby up and ask for that update.
I mean, samsung devs vs xda devs...I'm sticking with our troops.
One thing's for sure, if the galaxy nexus gets it, I'll burn tires right in front of Samsung.
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gireeshtty9 said:
As stated by GSMArena website there will be no Android 5.0 update for Galaxy S2 and obviously should apply to the variants too.
Although this news is leaked from the company's insider, it may be true. This news may be highly disappointing to many. Here's the link. Go ahead check it out.
http://www.gsmarena.com/galaxy_s_ii...roid_50_others_get_stuck_at_422-news-5720.php
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that's too bad..

Yes, if Samsung would now release all the sources (required by the license) we could keep upgrading our devices on our own. The S2 community has done a fabulous job, and we would get some disaffected devs back if we had all the sources. This is still a great phone. I'd hazard to say that there aren't many (any?) other 2 year old phones that still run this well on the "latest" software. I agree it might be still going strong in 4 years. Due to Samsung's intransigence however I think my next has to be Nexus. But it's hard to justify giving this up. Despite a faded screen, and reduced capacity of the battery, it still screams smoothly!

Devils are not working into the LG G3?

Shocked and disappointed to know that the XDA members are not working in the G3.
One month (or more) after the device was out, no custom recovery has been published, no one has published a post of CM, OmniROM or other ROM that isn't based on LG UI.
I think maybe I made a mistake buying this phone.

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Shocked and disappointed to know that the XDA members are not working in the G3.
One month (or more) after the device was out, no custom recovery has been published, no one has published a post of CM, OmniROM or other ROM that isn't based on LG UI.
I think maybe I made a mistake buying this phone.
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You're a recognised developer, what are you waiting for.........just get on with it

bobsie41 said:
You're a recognised developer, what are you waiting for.........just get on with it
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I'm develop apps.
Don't know how to make a ROM.

Starting to feel the same way with the lack of roms available for the handset.
I'm sure we will get more support tho, the g2 was quite well supported so fingers crossed is just a waiting game.
Surly cyanogenmod will support the g3 as they cover so many devices.

557953 said:
Starting to feel the same way with the lack of roms available for the handset.
I'm sure we will get more support tho, the g2 was quite well supported so fingers crossed is just a waiting game.
Surly cyanogenmod will support the g3 as they cover so many devices.
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cm support for the g3... i don't need anything more...

early days yet and the phone doesn't have a bootloader yet, im hoping the g3 development will start to boom soon:fingers-crossed:

bartito said:
cm support for the g3... i don't need anything more...
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Sadly I have no inside info but I hope it comes soon, and no doubt when we have cm base the kangers will make improvements and add extras that will aid our device.

557953 said:
Sadly I have no inside info but I hope it comes soon, and no doubt when we have cm base the kangers will make improvements and add extras that will aid our device.
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We ALL hopes , as soon as possible ...:fingers-crossed:

:facepalm: OP do you not understand the phone isn't even released in the USA? It won't be yet for another two weeks, I bet most of the developers that will work with this phone will be in the USA region (who will have to bypass locked bootloader)
Be patient and stop having buyers remorse so soon. Also note that LG is not as popular as Samsung phones so it will take a little more time.

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:facepalm: OP do you not understand the phone isn't even released in the USA? It won't be yet for another two weeks, I bet most of the developers that will work with this phone will be in the USA region (who will have to bypass locked bootloader)
Be patient and stop having buyers remorse so soon. Also note that LG is not as popular as Samsung phones so it will take a little more time.
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This, plus it JUST was released in the UK - which many of the developers are likely from as well. Also, it's likely this will be more popular than the S5 in the states as well so developer support should be booming.

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This, plus it JUST was released in the UK - which many of the developers are likely from as well. Also, it's likely this will be more popular than the S5 in the states as well so developer support should be booming.
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It will be a bit harder since bootloader is locked and seems so far not unlockable the easy way...

Got my D855 a few days ago, there is no development since the bootloader is locked, once unlocked I'm guessing it will be around a month until the hardware sources are working correctly for CM, and from there the sky is the limit, once CM comes out I will be more then glad to help bring Slim, Beanstalk, AOSB and others to the G3 (I helped the S2 community for a long time bringing them roms)

557953 said:
Starting to feel the same way with the lack of roms available for the handset.
I'm sure we will get more support tho, the g2 was quite well supported so fingers crossed is just a waiting game.
Surly cyanogenmod will support the g3 as they cover so many devices.
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G2 deployment was horrible imho
Some Place in rhe milkyway

I've ported the philz recovery to the G3 but i cannot find the right way to start it since the bootloader is locked and the loki way don't work. We need to find a way to bypass the lock and then the development will start quickly.

I hate threads like this.
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We need help from djrbliss loki developer https://github.com/djrbliss and maybe Shelnutt2 feegee developer https://github.com/Shelnutt2

The phone has been out just over a week in the EU and is not out in the US at all yet, that more or less leaves just the Asian members to develop and the Asian crowd on XDA is a lot smaller than the EU and US members!
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I think soon as it's released in the us we will see more development
Purity Nexus 5

i for one don't care the phone is very usable. out of the box . go ahead yell at me !! :silly:

Skin1980 said:
I've ported the philz recovery to the G3 but i cannot find the right way to start it since the bootloader is locked and the loki way don't work. We need to find a way to bypass the lock and then the development will start quickly.
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You could have a word with @Cloudya on the g2 forum assuming the solution will be something similar. I wouldn't know of course being not very clever. :silly:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=51857807&postcount=1
I guess theres no jellybean bootloader available so maybe a silly idea, who knows........I don't

Lollipop coming out for Samsung s5 but no OPO yet?

I'm very surprised that Samsung have started to officially push out Lollipop to the S5 and OPO has not yet.
Considering the Touchwiz overlay which we all know is heavy and would require loads of work, where as CM12 doesn't have much of a change over stock Lollipop.
I've been using the CM12 nightlies for a few weeks now and they can be used as a daily driver for me, but there are still little bugs that need to be ironed out.
How has Samsung pipped CM to the post? I'm not sure if CM has just been slow or Samsung has picked up it's act.

Patience mate it will come in due course. CM usually take a while to release stable builds. Other devices are still waiting it will come in due course.

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I'm very surprised that Samsung have started to officially push out Lollipop to the S5 and OPO has not yet.
Considering the Touchwiz overlay which we all know is heavy and would require loads of work, where as CM12 doesn't have much of a change over stock Lollipop.
I've been using the CM12 nightlies for a few weeks now and they can be used as a daily driver for me, but there are still little bugs that need to be ironed out.
How has Samsung pipped CM to the post? I'm not sure if CM has just been slow or Samsung has picked up it's act.
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It's not so surprising when u think about the number of developers/programmers in Samsung as a multi-billion company compared to cyanogen. +I think there may have been some deals between Google and Samsung, LG etc so they get the source code sooner before official release. But that's only what think, no evidence backing up this statement.

shure2 said:
I'm very surprised that Samsung have started to officially push out Lollipop to the S5 and OPO has not yet.
Considering the Touchwiz overlay which we all know is heavy and would require loads of work, where as CM12 doesn't have much of a change over stock Lollipop.
I've been using the CM12 nightlies for a few weeks now and they can be used as a daily driver for me, but there are still little bugs that need to be ironed out.
How has Samsung pipped CM to the post? I'm not sure if CM has just been slow or Samsung has picked up it's act.
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How has Samsung beat CM to the chase? Money. Samsung are rolling in cash and they have a ridiculous amount of it to throw at developing the OS for their devices. Don't forget CM is a tiny (miniscule) company. Plus, the major OEM's get early release access to Android releases. You'll get your Lollipop, just be patient.
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shure2 said:
I'm very surprised that Samsung have started to officially push out Lollipop to the S5 and OPO has not yet.
Considering the Touchwiz overlay which we all know is heavy and would require loads of work, where as CM12 doesn't have much of a change over stock Lollipop.
I've been using the CM12 nightlies for a few weeks now and they can be used as a daily driver for me, but there are still little bugs that need to be ironed out.
How has Samsung pipped CM to the post? I'm not sure if CM has just been slow or Samsung has picked up it's act.
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Samsung probably got off there ass, they have always received new code from google way in advance of it being released to the public.
When it goes public that's when cm gets it.
Please understand all the variables before doing a shame post

I believe they got the code sooner
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Now shouldn't the One plus and CM get it as soon as other OEMs get it? I mean CM is no more bunch of dev doing this part time. I am still not convinced.
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viny2cool said:
Now shouldn't the One plus and CM get it as soon as other OEMs get it? I mean CM is no more bunch of dev doing this part time. I am still not convinced.
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Even if they did get it at the same time, CM would still be behind. It's all about money. Think about it, HTC, Samsung, Sony, LG, they all have squillions of dollars and countless employees to sink into their devices. CM? Nope. CM are a tiny (and new) company, with just a fraction of the money and manpower that the big players have. I really don't understand why everyone is so confused about this.
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timmaaa said:
I really don't understand why everyone is so confused about this.
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Because most consumers have no clue what's going on behind the scenes of these businesses, and ironically this leads them to think they know enough to legitimately criticize them. In America we call them arm-chair quarterbacks. They watch the game on TV the day after it's played completely removed the circumstances of the game, yet somehow they think they know everything and the guy on the field is stupid even though they've never even played the game.

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Even if they did get it at the same time, CM would still be behind. It's all about money. Think about it, HTC, Samsung, Sony, LG, they all have squillions of dollars and countless employees to sink into their devices. CM? Nope. CM are a tiny (and new) company, with just a fraction of the money and manpower that the big players have. I really don't understand why everyone is so confused about this.
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I understand that but the only thing which is kind of icky to me is that CM being the primary OS provider for this phone, should provide the first stable versions for our phone. May be I am not seeing it correctly but looks like everyone gets CM stable releases at the same time. I just got this phone a month so may be I am missing something.
Not complaining or anything, just trying to understand the process.
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CafeKampuchia said:
Because most consumers have no clue what's going on behind the scenes of these businesses, and ironically this leads them to think they know enough to legitimately criticize them. In America we call them arm-chair quarterbacks. They watch the game on TV the day after it's played completely removed the circumstances of the game, yet somehow they think they know everything and the guy on the field is stupid even though they've never even played the game.
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Not trying to start an argument here. But you do understand that the american football is played for the consumer's money (TV rights, stadium fees, ads etc). So if those arm chair QBs are paying to watch the game, they have a right to complain. If the teams or the players have a problem with it then they can go and play in private where no one will ever say a word.
It is similar situation here. The oneplus strategy was to attract consumers by using CM' OS. So I and others have a right to ask questions. You cannot criticize them and call them names. Go take out your frustration on someone else. You don't like this thread? Don't read it and don't comment on it.
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It is similar situation here.
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You missed the point. Paying to watch something makes nobody an expert or even knowledgeable about the matter. One is free to complain about the phone one bought, but that gives no understanding about what's going on in the offices of OnePlus or CyanogenMod, or the processes involved in the two of them outing a ROM compared to Samsung.

CafeKampuchia said:
You missed the point. Paying to watch something makes nobody an expert or even knowledgeable about the matter. One is free to complain about the phone one bought, but that gives no understanding about what's going on in the offices of OnePlus or CyanogenMod, or the processes involved in the two of them outing a ROM compared to Samsung.
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Exactly and that is what being discuss here. Some people like me are not sure about the things which goes in CM/One Plus office and we are confused on why CM can't get it out sooner then other big OEMs. Small company or not, they are getting paid.
No one goes complaining directly to the players or the teams (or companies in this case). America is a free country and people like you are trying to suppress the freedom of speech. I am going to sit here and ask million questions and you cannot stop me. Exactly like I can't stop you from replying to my messages .
If you want to contribute to answering then the question, then please do. If not then please stop creating arguments here.

Cyanogenmod have releases for a boat load of different phones with different hardware, they get the lollipop source as it's released to the public and they're are a very small company. Unlike Samsung, HTC, LG and Sony which have many developers and early access to the android source code so they can develop the next android version with their respective skin on top. If you want to complain about cyanogenmod, feel free to do so just know they're a small niche operating system compared to the big OEM's. But you can take a look at cyanogenmod's Gerrit and see they're working hard on the CM12 branch, that's something you can't see with the big OEM's
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viny2cool said:
Exactly and that is what being discuss here. Some people like me are not sure about the things which goes in CM/One Plus office and we are confused on why CM can't get it out sooner then other big OEMs. Small company or not, they are getting paid.
No one goes complaining directly to the players or the teams (or companies in this case). America is a free country and people like you are trying to suppress the freedom of speech. I am going to sit here and ask million questions and you cannot stop me. Exactly like I can't stop you from replying to my messages .
If you want to contribute to answering then the question, then please do. If not then please stop creating arguments here.
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So if I don't say what you want to hear, I just stop posting... I get it now. I guess I misunderstood what freedom of speech was before. :silly:

No point.
Why care about a Galaxy Sx getting lollipop before? It sucks anyway...:silly:

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I'm very surprised that Samsung have started to officially push out Lollipop to the S5 and OPO has not yet.
Considering the Touchwiz overlay which we all know is heavy and would require loads of work, where as CM12 doesn't have much of a change over stock Lollipop.
I've been using the CM12 nightlies for a few weeks now and they can be used as a daily driver for me, but there are still little bugs that need to be ironed out.
How has Samsung pipped CM to the post? I'm not sure if CM has just been slow or Samsung has picked up it's act.
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You forgot something, it's only officially available to the S5 in... Poland. Otherwise you still would have to root/ROM the Lollipop update onto the S5 no differently than a CM12 nightly and then it will only work on the international version. For the vast majority of S5 users they won't see an official OTA update for months, well after CM has delivered Lollipop to the OPO. Once it's made available to the US carriers expect massive delays again so they can 'certify' the ROM before pushing it out. If you really think that the extremely limited, country specific, release 'beat' CM to Lollipop you either have never played in the Android world or you have massively misplaced expectations.

BrianDigital said:
Samsung probably got off there ass, they have always received new code from google way in advance of it being released to the public.
When it goes public that's when cm gets it.
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Could you please provide a source to show Samsung get the code early?

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You forgot something, it's only officially available to the S5 in... Poland. Otherwise you still would have to root/ROM the Lollipop update onto the S5 no differently than a CM12 nightly and then it will only work on the international version. For the vast majority of S5 users they won't see an official OTA update for months, well after CM has delivered Lollipop to the OPO. Once it's made available to the US carriers expect massive delays again so they can 'certify' the ROM before pushing it out. If you really think that the extremely limited, country specific, release 'beat' CM to Lollipop you either have never played in the Android world or you have massively misplaced expectations.
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So you can root and anyone with a European S5 can get a genuine released Lollipop. At the moment we are flashing a pre nightly version of an aftermarket ROM, not even a nightly, let alone anywhere close to an official CM12S.
Sure Samsung have money and they should need it to adapt TouchWiz, but this is basically a stock Lollipop we are waiting for.
I've yet to see anyone quote a reliable source about Samsung getting the code early, but if the do then that would obviously be a good reason for CM appearing slow.

CM are slow look into previous CM releases go back to when Kit Kat was released, or Jelly Bean etc. CM support a number of devices each with different drivers and such CM access the code once it's released to public as mentioned on many posts here. Now that's CM. If OPO wanted to I assume they could release an AOSP version of Lollipop if they wish to like how they did with Kit Kat. CM won't rush and roll out a semi working CM12S for the sake of it we haven't even got official nightlies yet. We are still within the 90 day promise so there's plenty of time left still.

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So you can root and anyone with a European S5 can get a genuine released Lollipop. At the moment we are flashing a pre nightly version of an aftermarket ROM, not even a nightly, let alone anywhere close to an official CM12S.
Sure Samsung have money and they should need it to adapt TouchWiz, but this is basically a stock Lollipop we are waiting for.
I've yet to see anyone quote a reliable source about Samsung getting the code early, but if the do then that would obviously be a good reason for CM appearing slow.
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It doesn't matter even an iota that it's stock Android that we're waiting for. That doesn't make it any less work to get it working for a device. You should look into exactly what is involved in getting a new version of Android running on any non-Nexus device, because clearly you're under the false impression that it's a sinch to do, which it most definitely is not. This is all about money and resources.