It is true? Google said that right? Nexus devices, Moto X & G has'nt slots, well, some people says that is due to Google wanting to sell Google Drive storage, but Moto X & G comes with free 50GB storage(i never owned a Nexus and dont know if they give free storage for Nexus) , and i guess that 66GB is pretty good for a phone. What do you think about it?
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Sort of true, if only in that if you compared two otherwise identical phones, one with 32GB internal and one with 16GB internal plus 16GB microSD, the second would be fractionally slower in booting up, and fractionally slower in accessing files stored on the external SD.
Access to files in the cloud will be slower than either of the above.
I have experience with 3 devices:
1. LG Optimus One, which had 170MB internal memory, so everything was on SD Card. It booted fast, but then I had to wait 2 minutes for SD apps to appear and then a few more seconds for the SD to be fully usable.
2. Galaxy S3 mini, which had 8 GB internal storage + 8GB SD card. It booted fast, all apps useful, but it lagged until the SD was mounted and any apps loaded before had horrible crashes, or redraws, you just had to wait like 30 seconds for the SD to mount and 10 more to be usable.
3. Moto G. No SD, it boots, it works.
Depending on the device and memory used, the SD might be boosting (it did on the P500), but it slowed down my S3 mini, and I only had my music on it.
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[Q] Is there a method to increase internal storage (PIT file etc.)?
Hi,
I'm going to buy a Note 4 SM-910F, and I have some concerns about internal storage that runs low with many apps installed, even on relatively new phones like Galaxy S5 (16 GB internal storage). I know that Note 4 has at least 32 GB, but have any of you had a problem with insufficient storage, with let's say 100-150 apps installed? If so, is there a way to increase internal storage, like we could with the old Galaxy S2, for example flashing PIT file to repartition? Or we are just left with installing apps on SD card which will slow down their launch time?
Cheers.
I'm assuming that all Note 4 variants have 32GB internal storage. I have 167 apps installed on my phone, plus all the bloatware from ATT and Samsung.i can easily installanotger 150+ apps. I used to have an S2 and from what I remember, it had a partition set aside for app storage, which was relatively easy to fill up, but once you did, you'd still have room for files like music, etc.
Later Android versions changed how data was partitioned so that your personal files and app storage are now shared. So the Note 4 has plenty of app room, plus there is a built in feature that can transfer apps to external SD... if you ever need to.
Simply put, you have to be concerned about.
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Didn't know about the changes in newer Android versions. Thank you for your comprehensive answer
I'm wondering if anyone has noticed a decrease in performance after using microsd cards as internal storage with Marshmallow on their Moto X Pure Editions. Any feedback would be appreciated.
I bought a 32gb Moto X Pure Edition during the recent Amazon sale. I also bought a "SanDisk Extreme PRO 64GB UHS-I/U3 Micro SDXC Memory Card Speeds Up To 95MB/s With 4K Ultra HD Ready-SDSDQXP-064G-G46A" from Amazon. I'd like to use it as internal storage but am concerned about potential decreases in performance when using apps stored on the microsd card.
Thanks.
Hi,
Just redid my sd card to internal the other day.
Actually I see no difference in speed.
I have the Samsung 64gb EVO card.
Ken
I'm using an SD card that was used on my Droid X (yep still kicking), and no speed decrease on system.
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Crappy microSD
I have a Samsung Pro+ and it ran like crap. So your not the only one.
Self explanatory title (note I'm asking "sufficient", not "enough")
How are you guys finding the onboard storage situation w/ your 32GB models? I'm unclear how much use the SDcard would be. Sure, you can point your camera + Spotify cache to the SDcard instead but just looking at my iphone 6, I would still have need another 17-18GB to cover other apps and their data (this is w/o a silly amount of games). I know you can move some apps from onboard storage to your SDcard, how do you find the performance difference?
A bit bummed over SG's seemingly shortsighted decision to limit most global markets to the 32GB variant. From what I've seen online and with a few demo units, actual free usable storage comes in around 14-16GB, which is fairly pitiful. If Android "only" uses 8GB, where's the extra? Is TW and other add in that large?
I ordered a microsd card with high read/write speed. And the phone is pushing pretty near the card's theoretical limit. Benchmark have it at around 94MB/S read, and 47MB/S write, with a theoretical limit of 97 read 57 write on the card.
Key here is not to order a microsd card with extremely slow write, some of the popular sandisk models out there have 80 read, but only around 16-18 write, and that can be painful sometimes.
Is microsd slower than the new generation samsung internal storage? Yes, because the new samsung internal storage is reading at around 300MB/S. However, if you came from any phone that's not a samsung S6, S6 edge, or note 5, the microsd card read/write speed is probably similar enough to what you are used to as your old device's internal storage speed, and I honestly can't tell the difference since most apps stay loaded in the RAM anyways. I'm also surprised to find that I can move most of my installed apps to my microsd, the only one I have issue with right now is Grand Theft Auto Sand Andreas which is taking up over 2.2GB of internal space.
I had a note 5 before this, and with the 32GB internal on that, I was only left with around 2GB free. Right now I'm at 15GB free on the S7E with the exact same amount of photo/music/apps installed, granted I might have a smaller cache as of now but you get the idea.
To be honest, it's borderline for me. I'm 13.4gb free. I'm OCD about being anywhere below 10gb free. 64gb or enabling adoptable storage would have been better.
With the Gear VR ........ The Oculus app and the apps within Oculus can't be moved to the external SD storage. No option. And if you load any 360, 3D, or regular videos, they must be placed on internal storage for the app to locate them. I keep my 360 VR videos on my SD card, then from the file manager I copy what I want into the phone's storage, then delete the copies after I'm done using the Gear VR. Repeat and Rinse.
Not all games transfer data properly. I don't know if it's a Marshmallow, TouchWiz, or Developer Issue. Basically Need For Speed games (Most Wanted & No Limits) and Asphalt 8 Airborne are the ones I had problems with. It would allow the option to move to external storage and would state that it moved all the data too. But it didn't. It creates a replica data folder on the external storage, but without any data in it. The original folder on the internal storage is still there with all the data. I tried many things like moving the data manually to the correct folder, and deleting the original, but the games just ask to download data again which appears back in the internal storage. Those are the only games I tried to move so far, and I'm thinking maybe the games that download extra data after initially starting up are the issue. I doubt any issue would arise from smaller games like Minion Rush or Subway Surfers, but those are the games you don't need to move.
EDIT: So I found out the Milk VR app can see video on my SD Card. So far it's the only app in the Gear VR that seems to do so.
Yes. 32gb is extremely sufficient. Especially when you have SD card support.
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not sure why this topic always comes up and people are asking other people if they have enough space, it depends on your usage, not of others i'm coming from a nexus 5 with 16GB (~12GB usable) without sdcard option that i've used for the past 2,5 years and it was enough for me. although i must admit that i had to shuffle things around sometimes (e.g. move older pictures to my NAS), hence looking forward to the 32GB
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I ordered a microsd card with high read/write speed. And the phone is pushing pretty near the card's theoretical limit. Benchmark have it at around 94MB/S read, and 47MB/S write, with a theoretical limit of 97 read 57 write on the card.
Key here is not to order a microsd card with extremely slow write, some of the popular sandisk models out there have 80 read, but only around 16-18 write, and that can be painful sometimes.
Is microsd slower than the new generation samsung internal storage? Yes, because the new samsung internal storage is reading at around 300MB/S. However, if you came from any phone that's not a samsung S6, S6 edge, or note 5, the microsd card read/write speed is probably similar enough to what you are used to as your old device's internal storage speed, and I honestly can't tell the difference since most apps stay loaded in the RAM anyways. I'm also surprised to find that I can move most of my installed apps to my microsd, the only one I have issue with right now is Grand Theft Auto Sand Andreas which is taking up over 2.2GB of internal space.
I had a note 5 before this, and with the 32GB internal on that, I was only left with around 2GB free. Right now I'm at 15GB free on the S7E with the exact same amount of photo/music/apps installed, granted I might have a smaller cache as of now but you get the idea.
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what SDcard are you using?
Quite pleased it has come up not being able to use gear vr with the SD card is very bad
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what SDcard are you using?
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PNY turbo, 64GB
Is it possible to do this on the moto g4 plus?
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Is it possible to do this on the moto g4 plus?
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Go into settings>Storage & USB, choose your SD card, hit the 3 dots at the top and choose format as internal. Of course I guess you know you can't move system apps and other apps that the developer chooses to prevent from moving.
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Go into settings>Storage & USB, choose your SD card, hit the 3 dots at the top and choose format as internal. Of course I guess you know you can't move system apps and other apps that the developer chooses to prevent from moving.
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Thanks, now i have 45 gb instead of 12 in internal storage!
something you have to know before formatting an sdcard as internal storage, is that you need a fast card if you want to move heavy apps (like games and that kind of stuff)
i say this because in my old phone (Moto g3), i bought a class 10 uhs1 16gb sdcard, and the apps run slow. Then i bought a class10 uhs3 32gb sdcard and everything changes. Apps on the sd didn't get stuck on starting or loading, and in general, they run a faster than the previous card
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Lapnis said:
something you have to know before formatting an sdcard as internal storage, is that you need a fast card if you want to move heavy apps (like games and that kind of stuff)
i say this because in my old phone (Moto g3), i bought a class 10 uhs1 16gb sdcard, and the apps run slow. Then i bought a class10 uhs3 32gb sdcard and everything changes. Apps on the sd didn't get stuck on starting or loading, and in general, they run a faster than the previous card
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My card is 32gb class 6 made by samsung, I didn't think it would be fast tbh but it's on par with internal storage (more or less). The only slow thing was formatting it.
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My card is 32gb class 8 made by samsung, I didn't think it would be fast tbh but it's on par with internal storage (more or less). The only slow thing was formatting it.
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if it's enough for you and you don't feel that apps see running slow, so it's ok....
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I was just wondering how many of you have had problems/success with the adoptable storage. I have had two Moto x pures and both have messed up memory cards. I have lost 3 cards total that I could not access even when I tried from my PC. If you have had success I would love to know what card you are using. I've used a SanDisk ultra 64gb. A Samsung Evo 32gb and a lexar 32gb. The blue and gray ones. I'm not sure what the model was. All three of those are dead now pretty much because I can't access them.
What have you done to kill them? Are you rooted and flashing Roms or is this with the stock rom and no root? If the later do they just fail randomly or is there a specific trigger?
Running completely stock. No root. No Roms. I've never flashed anything on these particular phones. I never saw anything in common when the memory cards stopped working. It would just say the memory card was removed and then I would not be able to access it or anything stored on. When I would insert it into the computer it would say I needed to format the card.
Adopted storage puts a lot of stress on SD cards, unofficially even Motorola recommends against it (look in the Lenovo Support forums, several Motorola representatives recommend not to use adopted storage if you can get away with it). The problem is consumer microSD cards are not intended for constant read/write use that adopted storage puts the card though, thus they fail much earlier than "typical" usage situations. Again, this varies by card and it's quality, some will go a very long time, others not so much.
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Moto-X...ard-Portable-or-Internal-storage/td-p/3536596
Did you then format the card and test it? Either the card failed due to read write degrading it or it really lost connection and that damaged the file structure.
It may just be the file system not recognised by Windows. Use a low level SD card formatting tool and check after doing a full format.
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An SDcard formatted for adoptable storage is encrypted and won't be readable on your computer.
Also, there are a bunch of counterfeit cards for sale these days. They work, sort-of. They're 4-gig cards modified to report a higher capacity. Once you put too much data on them, the filesystem can get corrupted.
Even if the cards are good, I've had nothing but issues with adoptable storage. I've only used it on a Moto E with 4 gigs of storage. My Moto X uses portable storage, and I've had no issues.
Adoptable storage for the most part had been a failure in my opinion. Some OEMs disable the function, such as Samsung. If you read around, you see many bad stories about the storage as well. Granted some people like it, but it is just not worth it all things considered. Personally, I think the original concept of saving select apps to the sd card worked better. If the app performance was poor, you could move it to internal. Would love to see that option come back.
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I used apptosd for years and it worked well.
So I guess next time I should just get a phone with more internal memory. I figured since I already had memory cards and adoptable storage was an option I could just save some cash and get the 16gb phone. I'm still hoping someone shares a positive story and what memory card they are using with success.
Me and my wife both had our 1st cards ruined in the Moto x pure. I don't remember the brand but since off eBay they could have easily been knockoffs. Wasn't using them as addoptive storage. I am now. PC would not recognize them. There are programs that I have had success with for free on PC to retrieve your photos from the cards even though the PC doesn't read them
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Me and my wife both had our 1st cards ruined in the Moto x pure. I don't remember the brand but since off eBay they could have easily been knockoffs. Wasn't using them as addoptive storage. I am now. PC would not recognize them. There are programs that I have had success with for free on PC to retrieve your photos from the cards even though the PC doesn't read them
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In my personal preference, I back up my photos to a PC monthly. But just to be sure I lose very little should my card go south, I use Google photos to backup while charging and on wifi. The unlimited option for photos means a slight reduction in size, but I also have peace of mind that I will still have them.
I was using adoptable storage for about a year in my old moto e lte without issues (sandisk 16gb), it was working great although I wasn't moving any apps to card. One time when I messed something up (definitely it was my fault) I couldn't acces my card but all I had to do was to put card into sd card reader and format it using partition wizard (you have to delete partitions that windows can't acces on it's own).
I have noticed my phone seems a bit slower launching some apps since I started adopted storage. Maybe an extra second to launch so it doesn't bother me. I am using am emtec u1 class 10 gold card. I don't know anything about the brand and am almost embarrassed to admit that I bought it at the hardware store lol
I have been using a SanDisk Ultra 32gb for 6 months without issue on stock non- rooted ROM. I don't take many pictures so no big deal for me if it gets corrupted. Amazon has the SanDisk 64gb Ultra for $16.00. Sadly I have the 16gb Pure.
I have the 16gb version with a Sandisk UHC-1 64gb as adoptable storage for about 2 months. Haven't had any issues so far and I moved the majority of my apps to the sd. Also haven't noticed any significant delay or performance impact either. I'm a casual user, no games or heavy demanding apps installed.