I was just wondering how many of you have had problems/success with the adoptable storage. I have had two Moto x pures and both have messed up memory cards. I have lost 3 cards total that I could not access even when I tried from my PC. If you have had success I would love to know what card you are using. I've used a SanDisk ultra 64gb. A Samsung Evo 32gb and a lexar 32gb. The blue and gray ones. I'm not sure what the model was. All three of those are dead now pretty much because I can't access them.
What have you done to kill them? Are you rooted and flashing Roms or is this with the stock rom and no root? If the later do they just fail randomly or is there a specific trigger?
Running completely stock. No root. No Roms. I've never flashed anything on these particular phones. I never saw anything in common when the memory cards stopped working. It would just say the memory card was removed and then I would not be able to access it or anything stored on. When I would insert it into the computer it would say I needed to format the card.
Adopted storage puts a lot of stress on SD cards, unofficially even Motorola recommends against it (look in the Lenovo Support forums, several Motorola representatives recommend not to use adopted storage if you can get away with it). The problem is consumer microSD cards are not intended for constant read/write use that adopted storage puts the card though, thus they fail much earlier than "typical" usage situations. Again, this varies by card and it's quality, some will go a very long time, others not so much.
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Moto-X...ard-Portable-or-Internal-storage/td-p/3536596
Did you then format the card and test it? Either the card failed due to read write degrading it or it really lost connection and that damaged the file structure.
It may just be the file system not recognised by Windows. Use a low level SD card formatting tool and check after doing a full format.
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An SDcard formatted for adoptable storage is encrypted and won't be readable on your computer.
Also, there are a bunch of counterfeit cards for sale these days. They work, sort-of. They're 4-gig cards modified to report a higher capacity. Once you put too much data on them, the filesystem can get corrupted.
Even if the cards are good, I've had nothing but issues with adoptable storage. I've only used it on a Moto E with 4 gigs of storage. My Moto X uses portable storage, and I've had no issues.
Adoptable storage for the most part had been a failure in my opinion. Some OEMs disable the function, such as Samsung. If you read around, you see many bad stories about the storage as well. Granted some people like it, but it is just not worth it all things considered. Personally, I think the original concept of saving select apps to the sd card worked better. If the app performance was poor, you could move it to internal. Would love to see that option come back.
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I used apptosd for years and it worked well.
So I guess next time I should just get a phone with more internal memory. I figured since I already had memory cards and adoptable storage was an option I could just save some cash and get the 16gb phone. I'm still hoping someone shares a positive story and what memory card they are using with success.
Me and my wife both had our 1st cards ruined in the Moto x pure. I don't remember the brand but since off eBay they could have easily been knockoffs. Wasn't using them as addoptive storage. I am now. PC would not recognize them. There are programs that I have had success with for free on PC to retrieve your photos from the cards even though the PC doesn't read them
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Me and my wife both had our 1st cards ruined in the Moto x pure. I don't remember the brand but since off eBay they could have easily been knockoffs. Wasn't using them as addoptive storage. I am now. PC would not recognize them. There are programs that I have had success with for free on PC to retrieve your photos from the cards even though the PC doesn't read them
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In my personal preference, I back up my photos to a PC monthly. But just to be sure I lose very little should my card go south, I use Google photos to backup while charging and on wifi. The unlimited option for photos means a slight reduction in size, but I also have peace of mind that I will still have them.
I was using adoptable storage for about a year in my old moto e lte without issues (sandisk 16gb), it was working great although I wasn't moving any apps to card. One time when I messed something up (definitely it was my fault) I couldn't acces my card but all I had to do was to put card into sd card reader and format it using partition wizard (you have to delete partitions that windows can't acces on it's own).
I have noticed my phone seems a bit slower launching some apps since I started adopted storage. Maybe an extra second to launch so it doesn't bother me. I am using am emtec u1 class 10 gold card. I don't know anything about the brand and am almost embarrassed to admit that I bought it at the hardware store lol
I have been using a SanDisk Ultra 32gb for 6 months without issue on stock non- rooted ROM. I don't take many pictures so no big deal for me if it gets corrupted. Amazon has the SanDisk 64gb Ultra for $16.00. Sadly I have the 16gb Pure.
I have the 16gb version with a Sandisk UHC-1 64gb as adoptable storage for about 2 months. Haven't had any issues so far and I moved the majority of my apps to the sd. Also haven't noticed any significant delay or performance impact either. I'm a casual user, no games or heavy demanding apps installed.
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I am going to pick one of these up, but before I did, had a quick question (anyone with a WP7 can answer)
Do you feel that 8gb is enough space? Or do you wish you had more? Should I get an SD Card?
Most definitely. I have loaded most of my music and a few videos and I already used over 6GB. That's pretty much all the stock phone has. Now, I have over 14GB still left. Might put some movies on it.
My only disappointment in the focus is the 8GB stock NAND. For a $199 on contract device, 16GB really should be the minimum, especially considering a few other WP7 phones, to say nothing of Android phones and the iPhone, all start at $199 with 16GB.
That said, adding the SD card isn't that big a deal as long as you do it before you've filled the device up. For some reason there seems to be no ability to do a full backup of the phone by any means I've been able to find.
The problem with the SD Cards is that there's intense confusion/miscommunication about which cards work well. Just because it works with 6GB doesn't mean anything. What seems to happen is once you get to 8GB filled, the phone's performance takes a nose-dive, sometimes leading to losing all data.
"Enough space" depends on you, not us. I have an iPhone, iPad and iPod, all 16GB units, each with some 14GB or so of music & apps on them so it the first thing I did when I brought the Focus home was slap an 8GB card in there, format it and load it up. I have maybe 2GB free and it's worked without a single glitch for the past two weeks. For reference, mine is a Sandisk class 2. People seem to have problems with cards other than Sandisk and other than class 2 and I noticed absolutely no performance problems so if you're going to try it, try that and keep the receipt in case you need to return or swap it should something go sour.
Enough Space?
I agree with Mark, whether there is enough space or not really depends on what your usage requirements are.
I had a 32GB Zune and when I bought my Samsung Focus the Zune had over 20GB of data on it. So for me adding and 32GB SD card to the Focus was not only a desire but a very strong selling point for the Phone.
And yes, I am seeing a few issues with the Sandisk Card that is in it. Currently they are not enough to make me yank the Card because I (again) bought the device to specifically be a convergence device for myself and I am at heart a tester and tinkerer so figuring how exactly how WP7 works.doesn't work with an SD Card and the statement that MS and Samsung are working on a fix is enough for me right now.
Smaller Sized Cards seem to be more reliable than larger cards (not to mention less expensive) but that appears to anecdotal evidence as well. My 32GB Sandisk only causes freezes and resets when on Battery for example and I've not had anyone else confirm if they are seeing the same.
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The problem with the SD Cards is that there's intense confusion/miscommunication about which cards work well. Just because it works with 6GB doesn't mean anything. What seems to happen is once you get to 8GB filled, the phone's performance takes a nose-dive, sometimes leading to losing all data.
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I have more than 11GB on my Focus with no issues at all. No slow-downs, no hiccups, no data loss period. I am currently using a PNY 16GB Class 2 card. I previously had a Centon 8GB Class 6 card with the same results.
If you read the thread on MicroSD cards, it seems there are some cards that have been working pretty much flawlessly. Both of the cards I mentioned have worked perfectly for me. I gave the 8GB to a friend and he is using it in his Focus as well.
For me, to really make a portable phone/audio/video device be best for me it would need at least 150GB of storage... and a few TB if i wanted to listen to music lossless and a few movies.
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I agree with Mark, whether there is enough space or not really depends on what your usage requirements are.
I had a 32GB Zune and when I bought my Samsung Focus the Zune had over 20GB of data on it. So for me adding and 32GB SD card to the Focus was not only a desire but a very strong selling point for the Phone.
And yes, I am seeing a few issues with the Sandisk Card that is in it. Currently they are not enough to make me yank the Card because I (again) bought the device to specifically be a convergence device for myself and I am at heart a tester and tinkerer so figuring how exactly how WP7 works.doesn't work with an SD Card and the statement that MS and Samsung are working on a fix is enough for me right now.
Smaller Sized Cards seem to be more reliable than larger cards (not to mention less expensive) but that appears to anecdotal evidence as well. My 32GB Sandisk only causes freezes and resets when on Battery for example and I've not had anyone else confirm if they are seeing the same.
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You know, I was thinking about this the other day...the phone has 8GB of internal memory and if you put in an SD card it stripes data across it and the internal memory. If the card is 8GB or smaller that's fine but what happens if the SD card is larger than internal memory? It doesn't stripe the first 8GB and set the rest up as another partition and it does appear to use but it can't be striped. Now you've mentioned that smaller sized cards work better and my 8GB card works perfectly. I wonder if the file system's attempt to work with a larger card is inherently unstable? I know that if you put two different sized drives in a Windows box and stripe across them you will only end up with double the size of the smallest drive, not the actual sum of the two. Might be an interesting poll...indicate the size of your SD card and if the phone has been 100% stable since inserting it.
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You know, I was thinking about this the other day...the phone has 8GB of internal memory and if you put in an SD card it stripes data across it and the internal memory. If the card is 8GB or smaller that's fine but what happens if the SD card is larger than internal memory? It doesn't stripe the first 8GB and set the rest up as another partition and it does appear to use but it can't be striped. Now you've mentioned that smaller sized cards work better and my 8GB card works perfectly. I wonder if the file system's attempt to work with a larger card is inherently unstable? I know that if you put two different sized drives in a Windows box and stripe across them you will only end up with double the size of the smallest drive, not the actual sum of the two. Might be an interesting poll...indicate the size of your SD card and if the phone has been 100% stable since inserting it.
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I'm not totally convinced based on comments in blogs that the disks are "striped". I think a lot of people are saying this and maybe using the term out of context and everyone just keeps using it. Has Microsoft actually come out to say "WP7 performs RAID 0 configuration"? For a phone OS which was never intended to see anything other than a single drive, don't you think throwing a RAID controller in there just for kicks is a little absurd?
The other term is "span" and if I had money, I'd bet that the two disks were spanned as a single partition, as opposed to striping like RAID 0 does.
Despite all of that, I have tried a 16gb class 4 with more issues than I cared for and currently have an 8gb class 4 with negligible issues. Any card you get, I'd run on Vista/Windows 7 and test for ReadyBoost. That at least tests the card for random access speed, which is important. My 16gb failed readyboost and had lots of issues in my Focus, whereas the 8gb passed and the only issues I've seen with that one are issues that other people might have experienced on their own phones sans sd card.
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I'm not totally convinced based on comments in blogs that the disks are "striped". I think a lot of people are saying this and maybe using the term out of context and everyone just keeps using it. Has Microsoft actually come out to say "WP7 performs RAID 0 configuration"? For a phone OS which was never intended to see anything other than a single drive, don't you think throwing a RAID controller in there just for kicks is a little absurd?
The other term is "span" and if I had money, I'd bet that the two disks were spanned as a single partition, as opposed to striping like RAID 0 does.
Despite all of that, I have tried a 16gb class 4 with more issues than I cared for and currently have an 8gb class 4 with negligible issues. Any card you get, I'd run on Vista/Windows 7 and test for ReadyBoost. That at least tests the card for random access speed, which is important. My 16gb failed readyboost and had lots of issues in my Focus, whereas the 8gb passed and the only issues I've seen with that one are issues that other people might have experienced on their own phones sans sd card.
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I've read both, striped and spanned...who knows. Considering how slow SD memory always was in old WinMo devices, I didn't think it absurd to stripe data to provide the same kind of speed boost you get when striping hard drives. Hard as it might be to believe, it may have just been that WinMo was slow. I hadn't thought of the readyboost test, that's a good idea. Readyboost is pretty picky.
Hello All I have a very simple question but plays a very important role in performance.
I got a 2GB SD CARD FROM SAMSUNG.
I have another LOCAL SD CARD 4GB
My question is will the SPEED Remain same to transfer or access data from both these SD CARDS.
I mean to say is will the LOCAL SD CARD BE SLOWER(since its not samsung branded) IN ACCESSING AND RETRIEVING DATA which will eventually slow down my phone or something like that.
I hope you all understood my question..will elaborate if u want me to.
hoping for a good answer.
Thanks
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cumon guys a small opinion would make a big difference
I am not very knowledgeable about this, but the class of the SD card matters when comparing performance. Here is a link that might help:
http://www.sdcard.org/developers/tech/speed_class/
i have noticed that when i changed sd card from samsung original (came with phone) to new transcend 8gb sd card, phone is now booting for 5 minutes....
It being a samsung card doesn't make the card more "compatible" with a samsung phone. A card is defined by the card, not by the brand.
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i have noticed that when i changed sd card from samsung original (came with phone) to new transcend 8gb sd card, phone is now booting for 5 minutes....
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yeah so it means that performance has degraded right.
Also i think booting is not much worry as its done from ROM
so apart from booting what else is buggy or degrading performance,comparing both 2 GB and 8 GB
its on a card to card basis, if it is slower for him it doesnt mean it will be slower for you.
You should use a Class 6 SD card. Slower cards are not adequate.
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You can use a class 6 SD card, however, i do not think the phone is capable of handling such high speed cards, and thus the read/write speed of the phone will limit the speed.
Conclusively i don't think there will be an increase in performance!
So I'm wondering if there is a micro SD card slot then do you really need to buy the 32gb version? It appears that the current math among tablet manufacturer's is $100 for 16gb of memory which is obviously a joke. So if i buy the 16gb version and then buy a 16gb sd card ($25) do I effectively come out with the same thing for $75 cheaper?
Depends how you use it. I think it will behave like the Samsung Galaxy S in that the built in memory will appear as a different location to the external memory. Files cannot span both locations and thus your file may not fit even though the total combined free space you have left is larger than the file you are trying to copy.
well if thats the case then in general it will work just fine. Chances arent very good that i'm going to have some massive file on there.
Internal memory is probably faster than 25$ microSD card.
You could spend $90 on a Class 10 32GB card and be looking pretty good.
there you go, 32 gb for the price they are offering 16gigs. sounds good to me. not only that but you can spread that cost. Drop the $499 now, wait a couple months and get the micro sd later. thanks for the info
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Internal memory is probably faster than 25$ microSD card.
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On my galaxy s, my class 4 micro sd card is as quick is the internal memory. I'm sure the tab will allow quicker speeds but it's worth noting that a class 4 card is sufficiently fast enough to play back 1080p without problems. If you want to save time transferring files between tablet and pc then fair enough but I would personally save money and get a class 4 and make a cup of tea while it copies
Just but the 16GB, as long as it has a micro SD slot you won't need anymore than that.
Thats pretty much what it mean, the question now is whether it will actually have an SD card slot, I have read conflicting reports that it does and does not have one.
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Thats pretty much what it mean, the question now is whether it will actually have an SD card slot, I have read conflicting reports that it does and does not have one.
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I think the conflicting reports are due to two different versions of the Tab 10.1. The version shown during the MWC does not appear to have a MicroSD card slot. The newer version shown at CTIA does have a MicroSD card slot. Most reviews are consistent with this but a few have gotten it wrong which has probably led to the confusion.
There's a number of differences between the versions but the easy to identify differences are thickness and MP of the rear camera. The first version (MWC) is 10.9mm thick and has an 8MP rear camera. The newer version (CTIA) is 8.6mm thick and has a 3MP rear camera.
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I think the conflicting reports are due to two different versions of the Tab 10.1. The version shown during the MWC does not appear to have a MicroSD card slot. The newer version shown at CTIA does have a MicroSD card slot. Most reviews are consistent with this but a few have gotten it wrong which has probably led to the confusion.
There's a number of differences between the versions but the easy to identify differences are thickness and MP of the rear camera. The first version (MWC) is 10.9mm thick and has an 8MP rear camera. The newer version (CTIA) is 8.6mm thick and has a 3MP rear camera.
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Yeah i figure thats about what happened. Hopefully we will see some detailed(confirmed) specs soon so we can know what is really driving this thing. Also, perhaps finally review the optional UI question.
Dear Samsung,
Y U NO INFORM EXCITED PUBLIC OF FINAL SPECS!
Actually, what I want is 64GB internal memory model, with or without microSD card
I prefer without, if the space can be used to a little bit more battery and/or reduce the weight!.
I am now getting used to Nexus S, the one without microSD card. To my surprise, I can live with it, comfortably
true, you probably can live without an SD card. But the reason most people will probably get a 16gb plus a 32gb SD is because its cheaper (even with the extra 32gb SD card purchase) then paying an extra $100 for a mere 16GB
I actually have a 16gb class 4 sitting around collecting dust. I'll just stick it in 16gb model
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I actually have a 16gb class 4 sitting around collecting dust. I'll just stick it in 16gb model
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Actually, what I want is 64GB internal memory model, with or without microSD card
I prefer without, if the space can be used to a little bit more battery and/or reduce the weight!.
I am now getting used to Nexus S, the one without microSD card. To my surprise, I can live with it, comfortably
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I wouldn't have thought removing a MicroSD card slot would save much space or weight. A MicroSD card is tiny as too the housing for the slot.
For me, the want of a MicroSD card slot is not for expanding storage space cheaply but more for being able to transfer files to/from MicroSD easily. There's many situations when I would want to do this with a MicroSD card from my other devices or it is a MicroSD card from someone else I am with. In those situations, it's sometimes easier than faffing around with cables, bluetooth or Wifi. So the slot just gives another option.
That's true. Having microSD is handy. Especially if you want to transfer a lot of files or big files.
But, my point is that no-microSD will not stop me buying a tablet
After I owned Nexus S, I don't think it is important anymore as long as the internal storage is big enough.
Again, this is my own preference
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I wouldn't have thought removing a MicroSD card slot would save much space or weight. A MicroSD card is tiny as too the housing for the slot.
For me, the want of a MicroSD card slot is not for expanding storage space cheaply but more for being able to transfer files to/from MicroSD easily. There's many situations when I would want to do this with a MicroSD card from my other devices or it is a MicroSD card from someone else I am with. In those situations, it's sometimes easier than faffing around with cables, bluetooth or Wifi. So the slot just gives another option.
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Yeah i figure thats about what happened. Hopefully we will see some detailed(confirmed) specs soon so we can know what is really driving this thing. Also, perhaps finally review the optional UI question.
Dear Samsung,
Y U NO INFORM EXCITED PUBLIC OF FINAL SPECS!
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The one released in Aust. last week is a 16GB no SD slot model. I haven't seen a confirmation of the one that has the SD slot but have heard rumours that it will be thinner and up to 32GB.
I thought the internal memory was available to both system & data doesn't this mean that the internal memory would be an ext flavour rather than a FAT?
I see your point and I have to agree that it does seem a bit cheaper just to get the 16gb model and buy a 16gb sd card unless u plan on being a data/movie packrat on ur Tab in which case you will want to get the 32gb model as well as a 32gb sd card.
I want the highest storage available period!
I don't care if it cost more. I would rather get a 32 GB and have another 32 GB of SD card storage.
I wish that there is a 64 GB version with SD card slot so that I can have 32 GB SD card to make the total of 96 GB.
I can never have enough space because I have so many HD movies that I want to store in my tablet.
I'm fed up with this damn sd card. I use this microsd card with a sd adapter for my duo11 and it keeps getting dirty or corrupted. This is the second time it got dirty and a few days ago i lost almost 40gbs worth of stuff because of some corruption in one of the folders. It was impossible for me to recover any data from it and now i'm too scared to transfer any files into it.
Does this mean the card is faulty?
I tried reformatting it but it gets dirty out of nowhere. Its formatted to exfat right now and i don't know what format it was last time.
Am i the only one having this problem?
Should i just buy an sd card for my tablet instead of a micro sd card and use a sd adapter for it instead??
How old and heavily used is the card. They do have a VERY short lifetime. Formatting actually eats into the lifetime slightly. Defragging would even more (although I think windows is clever about not defragging flash storage normally). Basically there is a limited number of times am SD card can be written to, also a limit on reads but reading has an almost negligible impact compared to writing.
Chances are if the card has been well used for even 6 months or so then the card is simply dying, it may have a warranty on it.
If its a new card then it is faulty, take it back to the vendor and demand a refund.
An SD card won't fare much better than a MicroSD. Many SD cards just have the circuit from a microSD stuck in one end, the back half of them tends to be hollow. only advantage of full SD is that you can get a 128gb card with 256gb cards expected to be released soon (and 128gb MicroSD).
SD cards often use a technique called wear levelling. This essentially deliberately fragments your data to spread it across the card and prevent the same locations on the card getting repeatedly written to. This does actually work better the larger the card is as there are more locations available, but 64gb is already huge so is plenty for wear levelling. Boosts the lifetime of the card considerably. But it doesn't always work so well when the card is full.
I would get the card sorted out and replaced. And then try to limit how often you actually read and write into it. Don't run applications off of it for example.
The raspberry pi guys often have plenty of issues with SD cards and their short lives. Booting Linux off of the things has a tendancy to kill then young.
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How old and heavily used is the card. They do have a VERY short lifetime. Formatting actually eats into the lifetime slightly. Defragging would even more (although I think windows is clever about not defragging flash storage normally). Basically there is a limited number of times am SD card can be written to, also a limit on reads but reading has an almost negligible impact compared to writing.
Chances are if the card has been well used for even 6 months or so then the card is simply dying, it may have a warranty on it.
If its a new card then it is faulty, take it back to the vendor and demand a refund.
An SD card won't fare much better than a MicroSD. Many SD cards just have the circuit from a microSD stuck in one end, the back half of them tends to be hollow. only advantage of full SD is that you can get a 128gb card with 256gb cards expected to be released soon (and 128gb MicroSD).
SD cards often use a technique called wear levelling. This essentially deliberately fragments your data to spread it across the card and prevent the same locations on the card getting repeatedly written to. This does actually work better the larger the card is as there are more locations available, but 64gb is already huge so is plenty for wear levelling. Boosts the lifetime of the card considerably. But it doesn't always work so well when the card is full.
I would get the card sorted out and replaced. And then try to limit how often you actually read and write into it. Don't run applications off of it for example.
The raspberry pi guys often have plenty of issues with SD cards and their short lives. Booting Linux off of the things has a tendancy to kill then young.
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Its only been 3months or so. God i thought they would last as long as my hard drive seeing how they last ok on a phone. So there isn't no way of increasing hard drive space without replacing the hard drive? I'm using a duo11 which uses a 128gb ssd which would cost a fortune to swap it for a bigger one =.="
In a phone the SD is barely ever written to. You might stick some music on it when you buy the phone and maybe once or twice a fortnight. Perhaps the odd photo too, but otherwise the SD is under-used in a phone.
On the duo your best off using the SSD most of the time and just using the SD as long term storage.
Give Kingston a call and see if they will issue a new card under warranty.
Even an extremely low-end piece-of-junk SD card from five years ago should have a minimum endurance of at least 5k writes, and that's a really, really terrible one (even cheap flashdrives have typically over 50k writes these days). To come even close to wearing out a mere 5k writes in 6 months though, you would need to write the entire capacity of the card (remember, wear leveling) more than 25 times every day. Although this is certainly technically possible, the odds of it happening are extremely low unless you were running a database server off of it (or something equally foolish). For more realistic numbers of the card endurance, there is almost no physical way to burn through the entire write lifetime of the chip in three months.
Also, the Flash storage used in SSDs and tablets (and phones, for that matter) is basically the same kind of NAND flash used in SD cards. It might be higher quality - a decent SSD typically has 100k - 500k write endurance these days, which will last for many years of continuous use - but it has the same limits. People just don't realize how generous those limits are. I have perfectly functional SD cards from 2005 or so. I don't have much use for a 1GB SD card any more, but I used that thing for ReadyBoost on my Vista beta laptop, and that's about as heavy of a practical use case on a home PC you're likely to get... and it still works fine.
With that said, it's entirely possible for the cards to be defective. Too many bad Flash cells, a defect in the controller chip that does the wear leveling and so forth, or a reasonable number of other things. There's a lot more to an SD card than a slab of NAND cells... and even those could have a defect that slipped past testing. Warranty replacement sounds about right.
Depends on where OP gets the SD card. If bought from, say, eBay and not from an authorized big-name dealer, high probability for a counterfeit or reject.
Some of the guys running raspberry pi servers have had lifetimes as short as a month from branded cards (and usually no problems getting them swapped). That said, you probably can't get any more usage out of an SD card then when it is being used as the boot device for a computer.
Self explanatory title (note I'm asking "sufficient", not "enough")
How are you guys finding the onboard storage situation w/ your 32GB models? I'm unclear how much use the SDcard would be. Sure, you can point your camera + Spotify cache to the SDcard instead but just looking at my iphone 6, I would still have need another 17-18GB to cover other apps and their data (this is w/o a silly amount of games). I know you can move some apps from onboard storage to your SDcard, how do you find the performance difference?
A bit bummed over SG's seemingly shortsighted decision to limit most global markets to the 32GB variant. From what I've seen online and with a few demo units, actual free usable storage comes in around 14-16GB, which is fairly pitiful. If Android "only" uses 8GB, where's the extra? Is TW and other add in that large?
I ordered a microsd card with high read/write speed. And the phone is pushing pretty near the card's theoretical limit. Benchmark have it at around 94MB/S read, and 47MB/S write, with a theoretical limit of 97 read 57 write on the card.
Key here is not to order a microsd card with extremely slow write, some of the popular sandisk models out there have 80 read, but only around 16-18 write, and that can be painful sometimes.
Is microsd slower than the new generation samsung internal storage? Yes, because the new samsung internal storage is reading at around 300MB/S. However, if you came from any phone that's not a samsung S6, S6 edge, or note 5, the microsd card read/write speed is probably similar enough to what you are used to as your old device's internal storage speed, and I honestly can't tell the difference since most apps stay loaded in the RAM anyways. I'm also surprised to find that I can move most of my installed apps to my microsd, the only one I have issue with right now is Grand Theft Auto Sand Andreas which is taking up over 2.2GB of internal space.
I had a note 5 before this, and with the 32GB internal on that, I was only left with around 2GB free. Right now I'm at 15GB free on the S7E with the exact same amount of photo/music/apps installed, granted I might have a smaller cache as of now but you get the idea.
To be honest, it's borderline for me. I'm 13.4gb free. I'm OCD about being anywhere below 10gb free. 64gb or enabling adoptable storage would have been better.
With the Gear VR ........ The Oculus app and the apps within Oculus can't be moved to the external SD storage. No option. And if you load any 360, 3D, or regular videos, they must be placed on internal storage for the app to locate them. I keep my 360 VR videos on my SD card, then from the file manager I copy what I want into the phone's storage, then delete the copies after I'm done using the Gear VR. Repeat and Rinse.
Not all games transfer data properly. I don't know if it's a Marshmallow, TouchWiz, or Developer Issue. Basically Need For Speed games (Most Wanted & No Limits) and Asphalt 8 Airborne are the ones I had problems with. It would allow the option to move to external storage and would state that it moved all the data too. But it didn't. It creates a replica data folder on the external storage, but without any data in it. The original folder on the internal storage is still there with all the data. I tried many things like moving the data manually to the correct folder, and deleting the original, but the games just ask to download data again which appears back in the internal storage. Those are the only games I tried to move so far, and I'm thinking maybe the games that download extra data after initially starting up are the issue. I doubt any issue would arise from smaller games like Minion Rush or Subway Surfers, but those are the games you don't need to move.
EDIT: So I found out the Milk VR app can see video on my SD Card. So far it's the only app in the Gear VR that seems to do so.
Yes. 32gb is extremely sufficient. Especially when you have SD card support.
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not sure why this topic always comes up and people are asking other people if they have enough space, it depends on your usage, not of others i'm coming from a nexus 5 with 16GB (~12GB usable) without sdcard option that i've used for the past 2,5 years and it was enough for me. although i must admit that i had to shuffle things around sometimes (e.g. move older pictures to my NAS), hence looking forward to the 32GB
im1knight said:
I ordered a microsd card with high read/write speed. And the phone is pushing pretty near the card's theoretical limit. Benchmark have it at around 94MB/S read, and 47MB/S write, with a theoretical limit of 97 read 57 write on the card.
Key here is not to order a microsd card with extremely slow write, some of the popular sandisk models out there have 80 read, but only around 16-18 write, and that can be painful sometimes.
Is microsd slower than the new generation samsung internal storage? Yes, because the new samsung internal storage is reading at around 300MB/S. However, if you came from any phone that's not a samsung S6, S6 edge, or note 5, the microsd card read/write speed is probably similar enough to what you are used to as your old device's internal storage speed, and I honestly can't tell the difference since most apps stay loaded in the RAM anyways. I'm also surprised to find that I can move most of my installed apps to my microsd, the only one I have issue with right now is Grand Theft Auto Sand Andreas which is taking up over 2.2GB of internal space.
I had a note 5 before this, and with the 32GB internal on that, I was only left with around 2GB free. Right now I'm at 15GB free on the S7E with the exact same amount of photo/music/apps installed, granted I might have a smaller cache as of now but you get the idea.
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what SDcard are you using?
Quite pleased it has come up not being able to use gear vr with the SD card is very bad
ngmic said:
what SDcard are you using?
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PNY turbo, 64GB