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http://www.infoworld.com/d/microsoft-windows/windows-8-arm-chips-it-was-too-good-be-true-173265
Windows 8 can run on ARM processor, if you search windows 8 requierments, it sais 1 ghz procesor, we got 600mhz but maybe it could be enough, minimum ram requierment is 64 mb, so maybe there is a way to port the newly released Windows 8 to Mobile :> Can an dev say if it's possible to run it on X8 or not?
We can't run another OS on our X8
Chris95X8 said:
We can't run another OS on our X8
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Are u sure?
Yeah it has been confirmed, you can find it in the X8 FAQ too.
Well, maybe they may find a way to do it in the future, who knows...
The Windows 8 will be the most "possible" OS that can be ported into android phone.
It is still unknown now.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=17628173#post17628173
Blagus said:
We have more chances porting Windows 8 ARM version instead of WP7.
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Yes, we can run another OS on our X8 because now the bootloader is unlocked.
Please do not post ambiguous comments if you are not sure about them.
Chris95X8 said:
Yeah it has been confirmed, you can find it in the X8 FAQ too.
Well, maybe they may find a way to do it in the future, who knows...
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CM-PRo said:
Yes, we can run another OS on our X8 because now the bootloader is unlocked.
Please do not post ambiguous comments if you are not sure about them.
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Not only the bootloader.
We need the driver and hardware support too.
Yes is only for theory, still many things to do beside of these.
it will be great if we port Windows 8 to our phone but...
It's a really HARD WORK because we need to write all the drivers and probably it will not be as smooth as android because of our processor i think.
But we can run W8 on our device, but we will spend the same time porting it to our phone, as Microsoft creating the next Windows OS
Sorry for my bad english
btw,because win8 is big, it will have to run from sdcard, and also if the card is at least class 6, windows will run pretty fast on our device.. lets keep our ringers crossed
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i remember there was an easy way of running ubuntu on android device maybe theres an similar solution for running w8...idk just thinking...
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This is Windows. Not Linux. It means:
We have to take Linux drivers from kernel and rewrite them for Windows
We can't just run it from SD card by Linux-style chrooting. chroot changes root to specified directory, keeping the Linux architecture. That's how you run Ubuntu from SD card and you can't do that with Windows here.
Do we have enough memory? Do you know that loading Windows is different than loading kernel, unpacking which mounts "system", "data" and other partitions? Windows needs only one (1) partition which holds everything.
Of course, you all are invited to take a look at the_laser's boot loader unlock release and try to modify S1Boot calls and functions, to support, for example, booting from SD card as installation media, and merge all partitions into one (maybe exclude amss from that as we could still use radio?) for Windows. Then modify it to execute files from that partition instead of unpacking boot partition and starting Linux boot sequence there.
Do we have enough processing power? Will ARMv6 be supported at all?
And so on...
But still, we have bigger chances in porting Win8 than WP7, assuming that it'll have the standard Windows driver APIs.
Best regards,
Blagus
I think some developers will publish some w8 launchers,lockscreens and themes for theme chooser like we have it today with wp7
Blagus said:
This is Windows. Not Linux. It means:
We have to take Linux drivers from kernel and rewrite them for Windows
We can't just run it from SD card by Linux-style chrooting. chroot changes root to specified directory, keeping the Linux architecture. That's how you run Ubuntu from SD card and you can't do that with Windows here.
Do we have enough memory? Do you know that loading Windows is different than loading kernel, unpacking which mounts "system", "data" and other partitions? Windows needs only one (1) partition which holds everything.
Of course, you all are invited to take a look at the_laser's boot loader unlock release and try to modify S1Boot calls and functions, to support, for example, booting from SD card as installation media, and merge all partitions into one (maybe exclude amss from that as we could still use radio?) for Windows. Then modify it to execute files from that partition instead of unpacking boot partition and starting Linux boot sequence there.
Do we have enough processing power? Will ARMv6 be supported at all?
And so on...
But still, we have bigger chances in porting Win8 than WP7, assuming that it'll have the standard Windows driver APIs.
Best regards,
Blagus
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Win8 has something like 20GB, if it's similar to Win7, and ARMv6 probably will NOT be supported, we can't have ICS because of the processor, and we are dreaming of having a SO that is, probably, even more heavy in processing.
Keep dreaming of having Win8 on your phones. Install Win8 on your computer to help you having better dreams. And use Teamviewer on X8 to see your Win8 Computer, it will give you a realistic dream.
EDIT: I've changed "W8" to "Win8" because in this foruns the W8 is the Walkman version of our phone, and some people will be confused
Blagus said:
This is Windows. Not Linux. It means:
We have to take Linux drivers from kernel and rewrite them for Windows
We can't just run it from SD card by Linux-style chrooting. chroot changes root to specified directory, keeping the Linux architecture. That's how you run Ubuntu from SD card and you can't do that with Windows here.
Do we have enough memory? Do you know that loading Windows is different than loading kernel, unpacking which mounts "system", "data" and other partitions? Windows needs only one (1) partition which holds everything.
Of course, you all are invited to take a look at the_laser's boot loader unlock release and try to modify S1Boot calls and functions, to support, for example, booting from SD card as installation media, and merge all partitions into one (maybe exclude amss from that as we could still use radio?) for Windows. Then modify it to execute files from that partition instead of unpacking boot partition and starting Linux boot sequence there.
Do we have enough processing power? Will ARMv6 be supported at all?
And so on...
But still, we have bigger chances in porting Win8 than WP7, assuming that it'll have the standard Windows driver APIs.
Best regards,
Blagus
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well, on system requierments it sais that W8 will even run on an 64 mb ram system, so that's good, but, as you said the processor may be an problem..
Btw, Blagus, thanks for the info now i understand how much work is to do
Does it means Windows Mobile 8 or Windows 8 (computer??)
the requirements already said that we just need 60 mb ram to run win8, does we need the bigger of that? ( i mean does we need more internal memory??)
Also we can (maybe) make inter memory to be many parti and link the system to that part, isn't true?? Sorry newbie...
alvian matt said:
Does it means Windows Mobile 8 or Windows 8 (computer??)
the requirements already said that we just need 60 mb ram to run win8, does we need the bigger of that? ( i mean does we need more internal memory??)
Also we can (maybe) make inter memory to be many parti and link the system to that part, isn't true?? Sorry newbie...
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Well, i was talking about windows 8, it has been released for PC's and Windows tablets, and will be released for ARM tablets too if it hasn't been already.
It needs minimum 64 mb RAM, and it's got around 4-8 gb so we need an big sdcard
when im trying to install windows 8 in virtual box im getting the following error:
please give me d solution
should we have graphic card to install windows 8..?
vinaysweetheart007 said:
when im trying to install windows 8 in virtual box im getting the following error:
please give me d solution
should we have graphic card to install windows 8..?
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If you're trying to run Windows 8 64-bit, you have to have hardware virtualization support.
See http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch03.html#intro-64bitguests and http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch10.html#hwvirt.
EARTH SOUND im running on windows 7 (32 bit operating system)...
vinaysweetheart007 said:
EARTH SOUND im running on windows 7 (32 bit operating system)...
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No he means that your cpu needs virtualization support in order to run it in a VM. What CPU do you have?
vinaysweetheart007 said:
EARTH SOUND im running on windows 7 (32 bit operating system)...
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If you follow and read the links I posted above, you'll see that if you're running the 64-bit version of Windows 8 (as a guest) it needs hardware virtualization (i.e., your CPU needs to support either VT-x [Intel chips] or AMD-V [AMD chips]). You'll need to turn it on in the BIOS.
I believe the other option is to run the 32-bit version of Windows 8 in your VM, where it will not require that hardware virtualization (if my memory serves).
Hello,
Is it possible to run, either though virtual machine or by dual boot, to run another system such as Linux (Ubuntu) or Windows 98 or Windows XP?
TheRPGLPer said:
Hello,
Is it possible to run, either though virtual machine or by dual boot, to run another system such as Linux (Ubuntu) or Windows 98 or Windows XP?
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You already can run Linux on this tab, it's not practical but you can. As for Windows, 98 and XP are not Arm compatible so there is no go for those. The only possibility is Windows 8 RT and it only runs on their official hardware.
skurtov said:
You already can run Linux on this tab, it's not practical but you can. As for Windows, 98 and XP are not Arm compatible so there is no go for those. The only possibility is Windows 8 RT and it only runs on their official hardware.
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okay thank you. do you have any tips to run linux on this tablet? I'm not at all new to how android runs (5 android devices of mine are hacked) but I am completely new to this inconia tab. What would I need to do?
EDIT: Never mind I can chroot Linux to run it.
Hello,
is it possible to install a full Windows 8 OS on a smartphone with Intel Atom Z2420 or other Intel CPUs?
(No Windows Phone or RT)
huaba91
They have locked bootloaders (almost always) and non ACPI compatible chipsets (sometimes). Can't stick windows on them unfortunately, screen would be too small anyway. Would certainly be cool though.
Bottom line no. The space requirements for a full install of windows is bigger than internal space available on most of the phones out there. An alternative would be to find a way to install a working version on a micro SD.
I think, the installation on a micro sd shouldnt be so hard.
But booting could be the problem.
Or would it be easier to install a "normal" linux version?
huaba91 said:
I think, the installation on a micro sd shouldnt be so hard.
But booting could be the problem.
Or would it be easier to install a "normal" linux version?
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The CPU's in most phones can only boot from the onboard flash as is. The hardware doesnt support more.
Clovertrail *by design* can only load windows *or* android (it was sold in 2 versions to do so). The windows version physically cannot load anything else, the android version cannot load anything else.
Eliminates microSD booting and also booting windows on an intel phone. You may have luck with linux on one but that can be done on ARM handsets already, android itself uses linux so it stands to reason that clovertrail may be fooled into booting it, but I dont see the advantage over an ARM handset in doing so.
I only need the x86 architecture for some programms.
And no android/ubuntu touch
PLain ubuntu has been loaded on android tablets already and they have the same hardware as phones. Most linux software is open source and somewhat easily ported to ARM as is.
Yes, i know.
But i didn´t find something for a x86 phone and if for example full ubuntu on Motorola Razr I or Lenovo K900 is the same ubuntu like on a pc, where i also can run x86-only programms.
There seems to be a way to instal a uefi bios in the zenfone 2, this seems to be possible with intel manufacturing flash tool. Did anyone try this yet on a zenfone 2?
In a few weeks I will give it a try aswell unless there are negative results already. This may be the way to instal linux or windows without the android system and a vm.
Don_prince said:
There seems to be a way to instal a uefi bios in the zenfone 2, this seems to be possible with intel manufacturing flash tool. Did anyone try this yet on a zenfone 2?
In a few weeks I will give it a try aswell unless there are negative results already. This may be the way to instal linux or windows without the android system and a vm.
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You have any links for this? Am very interested.........
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no video drivers for windows afaik
UEFI bios
Well the idea originated from here:
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toms guide: install-windows-android-intel-tablet
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Yes,you can(but it is windows 8.1 with bing).find roms on web.I find one.You need:intel manufacturing flash tool to1.12,then find a windows 8.1 rom,an OTG usb,ADB tools(can use 15 seconds adb installer),and UEFI BIOS.
steps:
1:use intel manufacturing flash tool to flash to 1.12
2:install UEFI to your android tablet.
3ut your windows 8.1 rom to OTG usb
4:wait
5ONE!
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this IS possible especially now that there is more and more INTEL CPU (baytrail / atom) for android tablets and all in one pcs, look:
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the tool: cant post link
The problem is, the instructions are not very well organized and put out.
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That one is not related to the zenfone 2 but for a similair device, however its mentioned in the thread. Problem is the brazilian source of the tool is down. thats where my research till now stopped.
The gpu is not directly a concern. I think first goal is to get uefi on it at all.
I believe there is drivers from other tablets and phones, I believe someone mentioned a dell tablet but I can be wrong.
What's the difference between UEFI and old method of installing Windows in dual-boot mode?
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What's the difference between UEFI and old method of installing Windows in dual-boot mode?
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As I know, there is no old way of dual booting. In the UEFI you can possibly create a seccond instance to boot to with gnu grub. The only other way I know is via a VM, this has the disability with the drivers and no direct access to the hardware. This makes use of the gpu near impossible and will always leave resources to android wich has to run in the background.
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As I know, there is no old way of dual booting. In the UEFI you can possibly create a seccond instance to boot to with gnu grub. The only other way I know is via a VM, this has the disability with the drivers and no direct access to the hardware. This makes use of the gpu near impossible and will always leave resources to android wich has to run in the background.
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Thanks for clarification here. Yeah, I thought about KVM from this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone2/general/zf2-running-windows-7-using-kvm-t3153299 which seemed a bit overcomplicated and more proof-of-concept thing, sort of similiar to running Windows 9x via DosBox on Symbian smartphones years ago. They also run into problem with unobtainable gpu drivers.
I believe there is drivers from other tablets and phones, I believe someone mentioned a dell tablet but I can be wrong.
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As I mentioned above and keeping mind those news about Intel not being happy with their SoCs perfomance on market it could possibly become a problem to get support on their side. Correct me if I am wrong, that's just my thoughts
I have cracked open a android, how do you call it, bios and am compiling a uefi bios now with the information from the droidbios and another uefi bios, Well see how this ends, This will take a lot of time.
Curious, any headway on this yet?
Progress is slow, I am working beyond my knowledge, so every step needs to be researched. Next to that at this point (rounding off university) my time is quit limmited.
Verry interesting! But I feel like it ended bad
Other options are coreboot or libreboot.
Man what happened u very-hard-briked it ?
Been too bussy to spend more time on it, and since my other cellphone died, my zf2 is my daily driver again...
Oh ok.
I think that the hard-brick is the biggest problem. We need a way to hard-flash a boot firmware if we hard-brick. To try many times
xdaxuser said:
Oh ok.
I think that the hard-brick is the biggest problem. We need a way to hard-flash a boot firmware if we hard-brick. To try many times
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so why did nobody code an UEFI bios as a part of a modded twrp with some failsafe measures (for early builds) zenfone 2 with a full windows would be amazing
News from the other tread.
On the asus web there is the kernel sources!
Look like zf2 uses Bootstub.