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How To Download CE 6 OS design

Hi
I want to transfer my own windows ce 6.0 os design to a htc prophet ?
Is it possible?
I found a nk.bin file in os release dir. is it the same as nk.nbf or it needs something to be added to it like ipl/spl?

No.
Let me just verify that I understand you correctly:
You have Platform Builder for Windows CE (not Mobile) 6 and you compiled and OS.
Now you want to put it on your Prophet?
Here is why this can not work:
a) You do not have the hardware drivers. Even if by some miracle you got the Prophet BSP (board support package) from HTC, because CE 6 architecture is so different from CE 5 on which the BSP is based you would have to rewrite them.
b) The nk.bin Platform Builder produces is in plain binary format. The nk.nbf which the Prophet bootloader can recognize is in HTC's special encrypted format so the bootloader will not read the bin.

Yes. You get it right. I know if I want to use phone features completely I need BSP. But what if I want just use some standard features? just LCD and phone features.
Also I saw nbftool that decrypt and encrypt nbf files. Can I use it to encrypt files for prophet?

You need BSP for everything, not just "full features". Every little bit of hardware that connects to the CPU requires a driver unique for your device, that includes the screen, the digitizer (touch screen), hardware keys, USB port, SD card, etc.
This is why the Linux project for these devices hasn't moved beyond booting the kernel.
There are tons of work to be done (not to say it is impossible).
I am not sure about the nbftool but even if you manage to create an image that boots best case scenario is you will see something on the screen.
But you will have no way of controlling the device - no touch screen or keys, and no way to connect to it from windows since you do not have USB drivers.

Then what are the BSPs which exist in Wince by default. There is a ARMv4. How can I use it? Can you help me?

There is ARMv4 and there is Samsung, TI, Xscale, etc. Unlike x86 - all are different. Different memory map, different GPIO, different periferials.
Better waste your time on something else. Anyway CE 6 does not have phone features at all. Compile it for your PC and see that yourself.

mamaich said:
There is ARMv4 and there is Samsung, TI, Xscale, etc. Unlike x86 - all are different. Different memory map, different GPIO, different periferials.
Better waste your time on something else. Anyway CE 6 does not have phone features at all. Compile it for your PC and see that yourself.
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I think ARMv4 BSP in Platform Builder already have enough driver for this type of CPUs. And HTC phones are ARMv4. So normaly I should be able to build and transfer my OS to there. CE 6 have buitin drivers for modem,LCD and so on. But there is no phone. Because phone is an app that runs on CE. So if I just want to use devices like modem It is enough. The problem is nbf files ae encrypted and os.bin file should encrypt to os.nb and then transfer to device.

shariat said:
I think ARMv4 BSP in Platform Builder already have enough driver for this type of CPUs. And HTC phones are ARMv4. So normaly I should be able to build and transfer my OS to there. CE 6 have buitin drivers for modem,LCD and so on. But there is no phone. Because phone is an app that runs on CE. So if I just want to use devices like modem It is enough. The problem is nbf files ae encrypted and os.bin file should encrypt to os.nb and then transfer to device.
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you dont really understand the problem.
ARMv4 is not a cpu, it is the ARM version 4 instruction set ....
afaik your phone has some kind of OMAP.
i don't know if CE6 has a BSP for that, but even if it does, it will still not work without modifications.
a recent example. a friend of mine wanted to download a generix xscale 25x eboot (bootloader) to a device that had xscale 255. he almost killed the whole device because the RAM memory map of this generic eboot managed to overlap with the device's original bootloader memory space in ROM. (the virtual memory mapping differed in such an unlucky way.) and so the device's own bootloader thought it had to flash it in instead of loading it into RAM and it overwrote part of itself. luckily only the splashscreen got damaged...
(and of course the device would not boot this eboot.)
that's what happens when someone who has not ever dealt with hardware and memory mappings (i.e. you) tries to play with platform builder and flashing.
also, what is this about CE6 having built in drivers for the modem (you mean GPRS?) and LCD. it doesn't have the correct ones for your device.
and, the phone is more than just an app, it also needs drivers. the modem needs it too.
all in all...i strongly discourage you trying to flash that nk.bin.
it is not even in a format that your bootloader will understand, it is MS BIN format. the nk.nb0 in same release dir (or if there is none then cvrtbin will convert it) will be the raw format that needs to be encoded for nbf, but that is far from enough because it will never boot anyway. so forget this info.

cmonex said:
you dont really understand the problem.
ARMv4 is not a cpu, it is the ARM version 4 instruction set ....
afaik your phone has some kind of OMAP.
i don't know if CE6 has a BSP for that, but even if it does, it will still not work without modifications.
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But at least the way of using loader is possible. Like how Linux is loaded

shariat said:
But at least the way of using loader is possible. Like how Linux is loaded
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loader, for what purpose?

cmonex said:
loader, for what purpose?
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For running WinCE , like Linux. Am i right? Linux devs uses Loader to load Linux on Mobile devices. I think I am confused. Help me on this. My purpose is to use my own OS design.

shariat said:
For running WinCE , like Linux. Am i right? Linux devs uses Loader to load Linux on Mobile devices. I think I am confused. Help me on this. My purpose is to use my own OS design.
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well, for linux, the drivers have to be written too. (most of the time there are existing ones with source available that can be modified, though.)
so it is more complicated than that.

shariat: writing your own OS for this hardware is not impossible, but is not easy.
I suggest you go away for a while and get hold of platform builder and an arm reference guide and read everything you can about the device, the memory structure, your dedicated hardware structure, and then start writing.
Knowing how the hardware and CPU operate is fundamental to the OS you will write. Platform Builder will give you some source code access and help give you some ideas.
This is a nearly impossible task for a hobbyist coder. I'm sure people will help you, but you need to discuss what you have in mind.
Have a look here for some other easier ideas:
http://simpleos.iroot.ca/index.php
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[Q] Full Windows Smartphone?

Hello,
is it possible to install a full Windows 8 OS on a smartphone with Intel Atom Z2420 or other Intel CPUs?
(No Windows Phone or RT)
huaba91

They have locked bootloaders (almost always) and non ACPI compatible chipsets (sometimes). Can't stick windows on them unfortunately, screen would be too small anyway. Would certainly be cool though.

Bottom line no. The space requirements for a full install of windows is bigger than internal space available on most of the phones out there. An alternative would be to find a way to install a working version on a micro SD.

I think, the installation on a micro sd shouldnt be so hard.
But booting could be the problem.
Or would it be easier to install a "normal" linux version?

huaba91 said:
I think, the installation on a micro sd shouldnt be so hard.
But booting could be the problem.
Or would it be easier to install a "normal" linux version?
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The CPU's in most phones can only boot from the onboard flash as is. The hardware doesnt support more.
Clovertrail *by design* can only load windows *or* android (it was sold in 2 versions to do so). The windows version physically cannot load anything else, the android version cannot load anything else.
Eliminates microSD booting and also booting windows on an intel phone. You may have luck with linux on one but that can be done on ARM handsets already, android itself uses linux so it stands to reason that clovertrail may be fooled into booting it, but I dont see the advantage over an ARM handset in doing so.

I only need the x86 architecture for some programms.
And no android/ubuntu touch

PLain ubuntu has been loaded on android tablets already and they have the same hardware as phones. Most linux software is open source and somewhat easily ported to ARM as is.

Yes, i know.
But i didn´t find something for a x86 phone and if for example full ubuntu on Motorola Razr I or Lenovo K900 is the same ubuntu like on a pc, where i also can run x86-only programms.

Install Windows 10

So i know the Intel atom in this thing supports Windows 10. I just can't figure out how to get the Windows 10 install disk to boot. Custom boot loader?

AceHack00 said:
So i know the Intel atom in this thing supports Windows 10. I just can't figure out how to get the Windows 10 install disk to boot. Custom boot loader?
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Custom rom that microsoft has provided.... Win 10 is free for all device's.... Tho you may need a custom recovery in some cases.... Theres also a program that microsoft has that will convert it as long as you have root and able to connect it through usb...

ErocKxMoBz said:
Custom rom that microsoft has provided.... Win 10 is free for all device's.... Tho you may need a custom recovery in some cases.... Theres also a program that microsoft has that will convert it as long as you have root and able to connect it through usb...
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This is... Just wrong. Microsoft provides no special tool to convert android devices into windows 10. They have released Windows 10 Mobile ROMs for 2 devices and they aren't distributed in a way that they can be ported.

Nt true i have a few tablets with intel inside that ran on android i just ran the roms with a bootloader and yea as for the program its not by microsoft exacly but a company they own.. And another thing look at china they have tens of thousands of differnt devices that run both virtualy. Using a custom bootloader

ErocKxMoBz said:
Nt true i have a few tablets with intel inside that ran on android i just ran the roms with a bootloader and yea as for the program its not by microsoft exacly but a company they own.. And another thing look at china they have tens of thousands of differnt devices that run both virtualy. Using a custom bootloader
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Got any links or how to?

AceHack00 said:
Got any links or how to?
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No. And there won't be.
ErocKxMoBz said:
Nt true i have a few tablets with intel inside that ran on android i just ran the roms with a bootloader and yea as for the program its not by microsoft exacly but a company they own.. And another thing look at china they have tens of thousands of differnt devices that run both virtualy. Using a custom bootloader
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Ok, those Intel tablets you refer to probably use a legacy bios booting system, which would support both Android in the x86 variant, and Windows x86. And MAYBE they support a custom bootloader, but I doubt it (you could provide some links as proof). If you refer to the Windows 10 Mobile ROM released for the Chinese phone a while back. That is literally the one exception, but it isn't Windows 10. Its Windows 10 Mobile, which isn't nearly as full featured, and provides no admin level access. And before someone mentions it, NO this cannot be ported to other devices, Android is much easier to port due to the fact that we know how things function due to the Open Source nature of Android, but Windows is not, and likely never will be Open Source.
Now, onto the "custom bootloader" you refer to. Firstly, no Nexus device EVER has been able to run a custom bootloader (lest I mention the Nexus One with S-OFF). All Nexus devices EVER (yes, even after unlocking the bootloader) enforce aboot (high level bootloader) signature verification, they just don't enforce kernel/recovery partition signature checks when the bootloader is unlocked. This means that flashing an unsigned bootloader (no, you can't sign a bootloader yourself, it would have to be released by Google, which they have NEVER done).
You also mentioned running it virtually? Did you mean like Hardware virtualization like VirtualBox and VMware? Good luck finding a functional x86 Virtual Machine manager for Android that doesn't run horribly.
And without links, or any proof, I have never heard of Microsoft (or any subsidiary) releasing a tool to convert Android phones into Windows phones. Because, it just isn't that simple. You don't just install a program and boom, its Windows 10. It requires a complete re-flash of the device, and different bootloader (which I told you is impossible on this device above), it would also require drivers that are more than likely closed source, or don't exist for the Windows platform.
Don't just go saying things you /think/ are possible. Just cause a CPU architecture matches the requirement of the OS doesn't mean that that. OS will ever run. Much more is required.

Windows 10 ARM UEFI development for SD-835 devices

Hello!
As you may know, win10 arm has already been ported to lumia 950 - sd820 device.
The challenge is to make, hack, port the UEFI to install it on our Sony devices.
As I'm a noob I wantto know if this is achieveble to be able to multi boot android and win10 arm. Maybe from there we can do intresting things like root, drm back-up etc.
Waiting your comments on this.

I don't know what is need for UEFI but I think whole new bootloader is reguired for that, but getting it on our sony device which have trim area partition at the start of emmc I think whole thing is very nonportable.... here is some initial work https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2507665 by Cottula (xda legend on legendary HTC HD2 multi os phone). First reguirement is getting LK (litle kernel bootloader) bootable but I think thats useles because you need to replace sony bootloader which is not replaceable. Even if you somehow get a way to replace bootloader there would be nightmare porting LK to our devices. Sony is not very development friendly device I can say that with 99 percent sure at least for two models which I owned, not blaming it but just my experience with them, third phone no thanks, I'm waiting this one https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/ for the next phone, hope I get finally my and only my own phone and hope it get runing what I want and not what somebody want. Win 10 on xperia? Good luck!

With all respect for you, Munjeni, but:
1. Win 10 ARM can be installed in QEMU virtual machine
https://winaero.com/blog/install-windows-10-arm-qemu/
2. QEMU is available for android
https://github.com/subho007/qemu-android/blob/master/INSTALL
3. Can you install QEMU then Windows 10 ARM then boot win10 from QEMU and see if it has acces to the storage?
My bet is that from there we can make a full backup, bit by bit of all partitions, regarding that the data will be encrypted, it does not afect us. It can be restored later encrypted as it was
Are you willing to try?

Z2 tablet has a windows 10 arm on it however due to legal issues it wasn't released https://plus.google.com/+kholk/posts/ayf2C2saF4Y

Inerent said:
With all respect for you, Munjeni, but:
1. Win 10 ARM can be installed in QEMU virtual machine
https://winaero.com/blog/install-windows-10-arm-qemu/
2. QEMU is available for android
https://github.com/subho007/qemu-android/blob/master/INSTALL
3. Can you install QEMU then Windows 10 ARM then boot win10 from QEMU and see if it has acces to the storage?
My bet is that from there we can make a full backup, bit by bit of all partitions, regarding that the data will be encrypted, it does not afect us. It can be restored later encrypted as it was
Are you willing to try?
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Not going to try that have no free time right now for anything phones, pc...etc related but thats interesting I must admit. In the same time I don't own 64bit device so I can't try even if I get any idea

Sdio emmc 5.1 controller... Win driver ?

How to make a PC Triple Boot Android, Windows 7 and Windows 10

Hi,
How to make a PC Triple Boot Android, Windows 7 and Windows 10?
Thanks

M. Al said:
Hi,
How to make a PC Triple Boot Android, Windows 7 and Windows 10?
Thanks
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You can use programs like Partition Magic

Maay gaad, I thought this is a tutorial thread

sure u have 3 hard disk with different Operating System (maybe)

Wondering
How it could be done.

zanodor said:
How it could be done.
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By partitioning your hard drive and then installing each operating system in each partition then use the Grub bootloader software to allow you to choose which of the 3 systems you want to boot when you power on.
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-possible-to-install-Linux-with-Android-and-windows-10-dual-boot-easy-way
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Hi,
You can also use Virtualbox or other virtualization software to create multiple virtual machine and RUN them on a single machine.
If your computer has good amount of RAM, then you utilize this Virtualbox software. It really works fine. Instead of creating different partition, i think it will be much better option.
Thanks,
Hope it helsp

ziafimawad said:
sure u have 3 hard disk with different Operating System (maybe)
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I am curious how to do it?

Saenyu67 said:
I am curious how to do it?
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You can use 1 hard drive or 2 hard drives or 3 hard drives, it works the same regardless of how many you use. It's easily done with just 1 hard drive. If you look at my previous post a few posts back in this thread, you will see a link with instructions to partition your hard drive to create a partition for each of the OS's that you want to install, then you install each operating system in each separate partition that you choose to install them in.
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How to make a PC Triple Boot Android, Windows 7 and Windows 10
Windows booting is a simple process. You can easily boot your windows 7 OR Windows 10
you can useing some free tools for booting window 10 and windows 7.
I can explained here how to boot a drive easily. I think it will benefit you. For than messege me personally.
Thank you very much.

mdakashhossain said:
Windows booting is a simple process. You can easily boot your windows 7 OR Windows 10
you can useing some free tools for booting window 10 and windows 7.
I can explained here how to boot a drive easily. I think it will benefit you. For than messege me personally.
Thank you very much.
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You don't understand what they are trying to do.
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for android, you can use "bluestacks" on windows

So you want to use Windows 10, Windows 7 and Android on PC. For that first create 3 or 4 partitions one for windows 10, one for windows 7 and one for android. Install Windows 10 and Windows 7 on separate partitions and you will see that you have a option to boot into windows 7 or 10. now to install Android use a android based OS such as Prime OS and install it on a separate partition. You can use the pre installed grub or you can use grub2win to get all operating systems that you need

mdakashhossain said:
How to make a PC Triple Boot Android, Windows 7 and Windows 10
Windows booting is a simple process. You can easily boot your windows 7 OR Windows 10
you can useing some free tools for booting window 10 and windows 7.
I can explained here how to boot a drive easily. I think it will benefit you. For than messege me personally.
Thank you very much.
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Hey there I'm also interested in this I currently have garuda Linux and can't get Windows 10 on

I've done this for a while, my easiest solution is:
1. Make 3 or 4 partitions. Windows 10, windows 7, data partition, and a Linux partition. (There may more created e.g. a system partition). Dont touch the data partition throughout all of this except for storing your OS ISO, liveboot ISO, other program files etc.
2. Install windows 7 on windows 7 partition.
3. Install windows 10 on windows 10 partition. Can be installed from windows 7. Let windows handle making a windows bootloader which can now boot into windows 7 or 10.
4. Create a live USB in ine of your windows. I've been using Ubuntu but used Fedora for years prior. If you aren't sure if you need x64 then go woth the 32 bit x86 architecture (useful to be able to boot on 32 and 64 bit machines). Now boot up your live USB into Linux and install automatically onto Linux partition. You'll now have a GRUB bootloader which can boot into Linux or into your windows bootloader.
5. Install android emulator. I used Linux as I felt I would get better performance emulating android in Linux, this may or may not be true.
There will things that you might find as a nuisance, for example when I boot into windows 7 from windows 10, I need to boot into the GRUB to windows bootloader, select windows 7 and it reboots again back into GRUB and then into windows 7. Not a big deal unless you want to switch OS a lot. If this is the case, you may want to just emulate to begin with. I have a laptop with *ok* processor and RAM, not the best for emulating another OS.
There is many options - you could even install Linux within windows if you so choose. Ultimately the best path will be based on your knowledge, specs of your PC ( power, ram, disk space, disk type [fora mount of partitions], BIOS/UEFI, etc. The method I laid out is the most automated and easiest method I have come up with. Don't try installing windows on top of Linux, you'll cause a headache fixing everything for your Linux system. But then again, everything I've done in Linux the hard way has helped me to understand Linux better. I've just found that even laying out all of the partitions manually for Linux can be challenging, especially if you only have 1 computer and your data is not backed up elsewhere. Start with a blank machine if you can, and have another computer on hand, then you'll have an easy time starting over if necessary. Theres still so many more options of how to do what you are asking... good luck and happy tripple booting

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I've done this for a while, my easiest solution is:
1. Make 3 or 4 partitions. Windows 10, windows 7, data partition, and a Linux partition. (There may more created e.g. a system partition). Dont touch the data partition throughout all of this except for storing your OS ISO, liveboot ISO, other program files etc.
2. Install windows 7 on windows 7 partition.
3. Install windows 10 on windows 10 partition. Can be installed from windows 7. Let windows handle making a windows bootloader which can now boot into windows 7 or 10.
4. Create a live USB in ine of your windows. I've been using Ubuntu but used Fedora for years prior. If you aren't sure if you need x64 then go woth the 32 bit x86 architecture (useful to be able to boot on 32 and 64 bit machines). Now boot up your live USB into Linux and install automatically onto Linux partition. You'll now have a GRUB bootloader which can boot into Linux or into your windows bootloader.
5. Install android emulator. I used Linux as I felt I would get better performance emulating android in Linux, this may or may not be true.
There will things that you might find as a nuisance, for example when I boot into windows 7 from windows 10, I need to boot into the GRUB to windows bootloader, select windows 7 and it reboots again back into GRUB and then into windows 7. Not a big deal unless you want to switch OS a lot. If this is the case, you may want to just emulate to begin with. I have a laptop with *ok* processor and RAM, not the best for emulating another OS.
There is many options - you could even install Linux within windows if you so choose. Ultimately the best path will be based on your knowledge, specs of your PC ( power, ram, disk space, disk type [fora mount of partitions], BIOS/UEFI, etc. The method I laid out is the most automated and easiest method I have come up with. Don't try installing windows on top of Linux, you'll cause a headache fixing everything for your Linux system. But then again, everything I've done in Linux the hard way has helped me to understand Linux better. I've just found that even laying out all of the partitions manually for Linux can be challenging, especially if you only have 1 computer and your data is not backed up elsewhere. Start with a blank machine if you can, and have another computer on hand, then you'll have an easy time starting over if necessary. Theres still so many more options of how to do what you are asking... good luck and happy tripple booting
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Yes, exactly what I was indirectly suggesting. I've done it the way you describe before, but, alternatively, you can just create 2 partitions on your hard drive then install Win10 and Win7 in those partitions then create a Linux live USB or even install a full Linux distro on a fairly large USB flashdrive/external hard drive(preferably something that has solid state storage, this enables faster booting and performance and allows installing drivers and packages) and then go into BIOS and set your boot priority to boot from USB first, save changes and exit. Then, when you want to boot Linux you just connect your external drive/USB then reboot the device and it will automatically boot Linux without having to use grub and when the Linux drive isn't connected you will be able to boot 10 and 7 via windows bootloader. A little more round about but makes booting back and forth between operating systems.

Droidriven said:
Yes, exactly what I was indirectly suggesting. I've done it the way you describe before, but, alternatively, you can just create 2 partitions on your hard drive then install Win10 and Win7 in those partitions then create a Linux live USB or even install a full Linux distro on a fairly large USB flashdrive/external hard drive(preferably something that has solid state storage, this enables faster booting and performance and allows installing drivers and packages) and then go into BIOS and set your boot priority to boot from USB first, save changes and exit. Then, when you want to boot Linux you just connect your external drive/USB then reboot the device and it will automatically boot Linux without having to use grub and when the Linux drive isn't connected you will be able to boot 10 and 7 via windows bootloader. A little more round about but makes booting back and forth between operating systems.
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I had a project to run Windoes 10 on an SD card, which proved to be more difficult than I tbought it would be. I didn't think it should have been difficult, but it seems software amd hard tales measures to prevent this from being possible / "easy". Linux is quite easy to use a live USB, so I've done that quite a bit (I'd keep a 32 bit live USB on my Keychain). I don't think I was ever able to update drivers or install updates to the live USB, however I didn't make much of an effort too. I basically used it as a save my ass tool, which it certainly did come in useful quite often in the course of my personal/school/work computer needs.

Flash-ARMy said:
I had a project to run Windoes 10 on an SD card, which proved to be more difficult than I tbought it would be. I didn't think it should have been difficult, but it seems software amd hard tales measures to prevent this from being possible / "easy". Linux is quite easy to use a live USB, so I've done that quite a bit (I'd keep a 32 bit live USB on my Keychain). I don't think I was ever able to update drivers or install updates to the live USB, however I didn't make much of an effort too. I basically used it as a save my ass tool, which it certainly did come in useful quite often in the course of my personal/school/work computer needs.
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Instead of installing Linux live on USB, you can do a full installation of Linux on the USB the same as you would when installing Linux on hard drive. A Live USB can be setup with a persist partition to provide a bit of storage on the USB but it isn't enough to do anything with that is useful, that is why it is better to just install the distro on USB instead of using USB to run Linux live.