So i know the Intel atom in this thing supports Windows 10. I just can't figure out how to get the Windows 10 install disk to boot. Custom boot loader?
AceHack00 said:
So i know the Intel atom in this thing supports Windows 10. I just can't figure out how to get the Windows 10 install disk to boot. Custom boot loader?
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Custom rom that microsoft has provided.... Win 10 is free for all device's.... Tho you may need a custom recovery in some cases.... Theres also a program that microsoft has that will convert it as long as you have root and able to connect it through usb...
ErocKxMoBz said:
Custom rom that microsoft has provided.... Win 10 is free for all device's.... Tho you may need a custom recovery in some cases.... Theres also a program that microsoft has that will convert it as long as you have root and able to connect it through usb...
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This is... Just wrong. Microsoft provides no special tool to convert android devices into windows 10. They have released Windows 10 Mobile ROMs for 2 devices and they aren't distributed in a way that they can be ported.
Nt true i have a few tablets with intel inside that ran on android i just ran the roms with a bootloader and yea as for the program its not by microsoft exacly but a company they own.. And another thing look at china they have tens of thousands of differnt devices that run both virtualy. Using a custom bootloader
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Nt true i have a few tablets with intel inside that ran on android i just ran the roms with a bootloader and yea as for the program its not by microsoft exacly but a company they own.. And another thing look at china they have tens of thousands of differnt devices that run both virtualy. Using a custom bootloader
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Got any links or how to?
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No. And there won't be.
ErocKxMoBz said:
Nt true i have a few tablets with intel inside that ran on android i just ran the roms with a bootloader and yea as for the program its not by microsoft exacly but a company they own.. And another thing look at china they have tens of thousands of differnt devices that run both virtualy. Using a custom bootloader
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Ok, those Intel tablets you refer to probably use a legacy bios booting system, which would support both Android in the x86 variant, and Windows x86. And MAYBE they support a custom bootloader, but I doubt it (you could provide some links as proof). If you refer to the Windows 10 Mobile ROM released for the Chinese phone a while back. That is literally the one exception, but it isn't Windows 10. Its Windows 10 Mobile, which isn't nearly as full featured, and provides no admin level access. And before someone mentions it, NO this cannot be ported to other devices, Android is much easier to port due to the fact that we know how things function due to the Open Source nature of Android, but Windows is not, and likely never will be Open Source.
Now, onto the "custom bootloader" you refer to. Firstly, no Nexus device EVER has been able to run a custom bootloader (lest I mention the Nexus One with S-OFF). All Nexus devices EVER (yes, even after unlocking the bootloader) enforce aboot (high level bootloader) signature verification, they just don't enforce kernel/recovery partition signature checks when the bootloader is unlocked. This means that flashing an unsigned bootloader (no, you can't sign a bootloader yourself, it would have to be released by Google, which they have NEVER done).
You also mentioned running it virtually? Did you mean like Hardware virtualization like VirtualBox and VMware? Good luck finding a functional x86 Virtual Machine manager for Android that doesn't run horribly.
And without links, or any proof, I have never heard of Microsoft (or any subsidiary) releasing a tool to convert Android phones into Windows phones. Because, it just isn't that simple. You don't just install a program and boom, its Windows 10. It requires a complete re-flash of the device, and different bootloader (which I told you is impossible on this device above), it would also require drivers that are more than likely closed source, or don't exist for the Windows platform.
Don't just go saying things you /think/ are possible. Just cause a CPU architecture matches the requirement of the OS doesn't mean that that. OS will ever run. Much more is required.
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I want to transfer my own windows ce 6.0 os design to a htc prophet ?
Is it possible?
I found a nk.bin file in os release dir. is it the same as nk.nbf or it needs something to be added to it like ipl/spl?
No.
Let me just verify that I understand you correctly:
You have Platform Builder for Windows CE (not Mobile) 6 and you compiled and OS.
Now you want to put it on your Prophet?
Here is why this can not work:
a) You do not have the hardware drivers. Even if by some miracle you got the Prophet BSP (board support package) from HTC, because CE 6 architecture is so different from CE 5 on which the BSP is based you would have to rewrite them.
b) The nk.bin Platform Builder produces is in plain binary format. The nk.nbf which the Prophet bootloader can recognize is in HTC's special encrypted format so the bootloader will not read the bin.
Yes. You get it right. I know if I want to use phone features completely I need BSP. But what if I want just use some standard features? just LCD and phone features.
Also I saw nbftool that decrypt and encrypt nbf files. Can I use it to encrypt files for prophet?
You need BSP for everything, not just "full features". Every little bit of hardware that connects to the CPU requires a driver unique for your device, that includes the screen, the digitizer (touch screen), hardware keys, USB port, SD card, etc.
This is why the Linux project for these devices hasn't moved beyond booting the kernel.
There are tons of work to be done (not to say it is impossible).
I am not sure about the nbftool but even if you manage to create an image that boots best case scenario is you will see something on the screen.
But you will have no way of controlling the device - no touch screen or keys, and no way to connect to it from windows since you do not have USB drivers.
Then what are the BSPs which exist in Wince by default. There is a ARMv4. How can I use it? Can you help me?
There is ARMv4 and there is Samsung, TI, Xscale, etc. Unlike x86 - all are different. Different memory map, different GPIO, different periferials.
Better waste your time on something else. Anyway CE 6 does not have phone features at all. Compile it for your PC and see that yourself.
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There is ARMv4 and there is Samsung, TI, Xscale, etc. Unlike x86 - all are different. Different memory map, different GPIO, different periferials.
Better waste your time on something else. Anyway CE 6 does not have phone features at all. Compile it for your PC and see that yourself.
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I think ARMv4 BSP in Platform Builder already have enough driver for this type of CPUs. And HTC phones are ARMv4. So normaly I should be able to build and transfer my OS to there. CE 6 have buitin drivers for modem,LCD and so on. But there is no phone. Because phone is an app that runs on CE. So if I just want to use devices like modem It is enough. The problem is nbf files ae encrypted and os.bin file should encrypt to os.nb and then transfer to device.
shariat said:
I think ARMv4 BSP in Platform Builder already have enough driver for this type of CPUs. And HTC phones are ARMv4. So normaly I should be able to build and transfer my OS to there. CE 6 have buitin drivers for modem,LCD and so on. But there is no phone. Because phone is an app that runs on CE. So if I just want to use devices like modem It is enough. The problem is nbf files ae encrypted and os.bin file should encrypt to os.nb and then transfer to device.
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you dont really understand the problem.
ARMv4 is not a cpu, it is the ARM version 4 instruction set ....
afaik your phone has some kind of OMAP.
i don't know if CE6 has a BSP for that, but even if it does, it will still not work without modifications.
a recent example. a friend of mine wanted to download a generix xscale 25x eboot (bootloader) to a device that had xscale 255. he almost killed the whole device because the RAM memory map of this generic eboot managed to overlap with the device's original bootloader memory space in ROM. (the virtual memory mapping differed in such an unlucky way.) and so the device's own bootloader thought it had to flash it in instead of loading it into RAM and it overwrote part of itself. luckily only the splashscreen got damaged...
(and of course the device would not boot this eboot.)
that's what happens when someone who has not ever dealt with hardware and memory mappings (i.e. you) tries to play with platform builder and flashing.
also, what is this about CE6 having built in drivers for the modem (you mean GPRS?) and LCD. it doesn't have the correct ones for your device.
and, the phone is more than just an app, it also needs drivers. the modem needs it too.
all in all...i strongly discourage you trying to flash that nk.bin.
it is not even in a format that your bootloader will understand, it is MS BIN format. the nk.nb0 in same release dir (or if there is none then cvrtbin will convert it) will be the raw format that needs to be encoded for nbf, but that is far from enough because it will never boot anyway. so forget this info.
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you dont really understand the problem.
ARMv4 is not a cpu, it is the ARM version 4 instruction set ....
afaik your phone has some kind of OMAP.
i don't know if CE6 has a BSP for that, but even if it does, it will still not work without modifications.
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But at least the way of using loader is possible. Like how Linux is loaded
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But at least the way of using loader is possible. Like how Linux is loaded
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loader, for what purpose?
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loader, for what purpose?
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For running WinCE , like Linux. Am i right? Linux devs uses Loader to load Linux on Mobile devices. I think I am confused. Help me on this. My purpose is to use my own OS design.
shariat said:
For running WinCE , like Linux. Am i right? Linux devs uses Loader to load Linux on Mobile devices. I think I am confused. Help me on this. My purpose is to use my own OS design.
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well, for linux, the drivers have to be written too. (most of the time there are existing ones with source available that can be modified, though.)
so it is more complicated than that.
shariat: writing your own OS for this hardware is not impossible, but is not easy.
I suggest you go away for a while and get hold of platform builder and an arm reference guide and read everything you can about the device, the memory structure, your dedicated hardware structure, and then start writing.
Knowing how the hardware and CPU operate is fundamental to the OS you will write. Platform Builder will give you some source code access and help give you some ideas.
This is a nearly impossible task for a hobbyist coder. I'm sure people will help you, but you need to discuss what you have in mind.
Have a look here for some other easier ideas:
http://simpleos.iroot.ca/index.php
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Hello,
is it possible to install a full Windows 8 OS on a smartphone with Intel Atom Z2420 or other Intel CPUs?
(No Windows Phone or RT)
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They have locked bootloaders (almost always) and non ACPI compatible chipsets (sometimes). Can't stick windows on them unfortunately, screen would be too small anyway. Would certainly be cool though.
Bottom line no. The space requirements for a full install of windows is bigger than internal space available on most of the phones out there. An alternative would be to find a way to install a working version on a micro SD.
I think, the installation on a micro sd shouldnt be so hard.
But booting could be the problem.
Or would it be easier to install a "normal" linux version?
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I think, the installation on a micro sd shouldnt be so hard.
But booting could be the problem.
Or would it be easier to install a "normal" linux version?
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The CPU's in most phones can only boot from the onboard flash as is. The hardware doesnt support more.
Clovertrail *by design* can only load windows *or* android (it was sold in 2 versions to do so). The windows version physically cannot load anything else, the android version cannot load anything else.
Eliminates microSD booting and also booting windows on an intel phone. You may have luck with linux on one but that can be done on ARM handsets already, android itself uses linux so it stands to reason that clovertrail may be fooled into booting it, but I dont see the advantage over an ARM handset in doing so.
I only need the x86 architecture for some programms.
And no android/ubuntu touch
PLain ubuntu has been loaded on android tablets already and they have the same hardware as phones. Most linux software is open source and somewhat easily ported to ARM as is.
Yes, i know.
But i didn´t find something for a x86 phone and if for example full ubuntu on Motorola Razr I or Lenovo K900 is the same ubuntu like on a pc, where i also can run x86-only programms.
I just got my Moto X Play and wanted to root it and flash CM13. I installed the Google USB Drivers to get Windows to recognize the ADB interface, and getting into fastboot mode with ADB works just fine. But once there, "fastboot devices" fails to recognize the device. The device manager shows an unrecognized device "Fastboot lux S" for which the google USB drivers don't work. I've read that this should be fixed by installing the official Motorola drivers, but I would like to avoid that if possible - I'm doing this to get rid of the Motorola crap, installing more of it on my PC to do so would be disappointing.
So, I've got a heap of questions:
- Can I use fastboot on Win7 without installing Motorola-specific drivers? It seems that there should be a generic driver for the fastboot interface as it's a feature on all modern android devices AFAIK.
- Is it possible to use Linux to connect to the device via fastboot? I doubt there's a Linux driver from Motorola... but if it's possible to get fastboot access, I'd just boot a live CD and do the unlock from there.
- Does my objection to the Motorola Drivers make sense? Are there any benefits to having the drivers installed if I flash CM on the device?
The drivers are irrelevant to the OS you want. You need the drivers, install the drivers. Your computer is trying to talk to the phone, and right now they are speaking different languages, the driver is an instruction on how to talk to the phone. It has very little to do with Motorola, google didn't build your phone, they supplied the OS. Fastboot is effectively the BIOS of your phone, imagine what would happen if you flashed the wrong BIOS on your computer., would you call Microsoft and say fix it? no.
Install the damn drivers and get over it.
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It has very little to do with Motorola ...
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That's exactly why I asked, I thought this was a standartized part of Android for which there might be a generic Windows driver - I guess that's not the case, thanks for the clarification. But I googled around and unlocking under Linux seems to work (and without requiring a driver), so I'll try that first.
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- Is it possible to use Linux to connect to the device via fastboot? I doubt there's a Linux driver from Motorola... but if it's possible to get fastboot access, I'd just boot a live CD and do the unlock from there.
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I googled around and unlocking under Linux seems to work (and without requiring a driver), so I'll try that first.
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Since my wife moved to an Android phone, our house is Microsoft free. Being a fairly novice user who likes to tinker, this always introduces extra layers of doubt and uncertainty ...even fear, at times. I am forced to wonder, in the presence of all the Windows software and Windows-based procedures and advice, does it work on Linux?
My answer, so far, over three phones, is that if it is adb or fastboot stuff, then, yes it does. Or, at least, so far, everything I've tried works.
Depending on your linux distro, you might have to install some extra package containing those commands. You might want to install the whole Google android package. 99.999% developer stuff, but includes the two commands that you want. It's probably more up-to-date than the Linux-distro versions.
You might have to insert a line with some manufacturer ID (I didn't for the X Play) in some configuration file.
Look... my anti-MS biases show even through a thick overcoat. But do the linux thing only if you want to do linux. By the time you've read this post, you could probably have installed those drivers .
Does my objection to the Motorola Drivers make sense?
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No.
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Heh, I guess it's somewhat thick-headed to look for alternatives instead of just installing the drivers. My main problem with that is that Motorola doesn't offer a direct download of the driver but wants me to install a driver manager tool instead... I've kept my pc crapware-free thus far and intend to keep it that way If it's as simple as installing a few Android dev packages under Linux, I'll definitely take that route.
But with bash and the full Canonical repositories coming to Win10, maybe one could use the Linux adb and fastboot binaries under Windows in the not-so-far future... I wonder if those would then work without a device driver
Install 15 seconds adb 1.4.3 and run it in your fastboot folder you create in C of Windows7, no Motorola drivers.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=48915118#post48915118
There seems to be a way to instal a uefi bios in the zenfone 2, this seems to be possible with intel manufacturing flash tool. Did anyone try this yet on a zenfone 2?
In a few weeks I will give it a try aswell unless there are negative results already. This may be the way to instal linux or windows without the android system and a vm.
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There seems to be a way to instal a uefi bios in the zenfone 2, this seems to be possible with intel manufacturing flash tool. Did anyone try this yet on a zenfone 2?
In a few weeks I will give it a try aswell unless there are negative results already. This may be the way to instal linux or windows without the android system and a vm.
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You have any links for this? Am very interested.........
Sent from my ASUS_Z00AD using XDA-Developers mobile app
no video drivers for windows afaik
UEFI bios
Well the idea originated from here:
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toms guide: install-windows-android-intel-tablet
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Yes,you can(but it is windows 8.1 with bing).find roms on web.I find one.You need:intel manufacturing flash tool to1.12,then find a windows 8.1 rom,an OTG usb,ADB tools(can use 15 seconds adb installer),and UEFI BIOS.
steps:
1:use intel manufacturing flash tool to flash to 1.12
2:install UEFI to your android tablet.
3ut your windows 8.1 rom to OTG usb
4:wait
5ONE!
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this IS possible especially now that there is more and more INTEL CPU (baytrail / atom) for android tablets and all in one pcs, look:
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the tool: cant post link
The problem is, the instructions are not very well organized and put out.
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That one is not related to the zenfone 2 but for a similair device, however its mentioned in the thread. Problem is the brazilian source of the tool is down. thats where my research till now stopped.
The gpu is not directly a concern. I think first goal is to get uefi on it at all.
I believe there is drivers from other tablets and phones, I believe someone mentioned a dell tablet but I can be wrong.
What's the difference between UEFI and old method of installing Windows in dual-boot mode?
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What's the difference between UEFI and old method of installing Windows in dual-boot mode?
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As I know, there is no old way of dual booting. In the UEFI you can possibly create a seccond instance to boot to with gnu grub. The only other way I know is via a VM, this has the disability with the drivers and no direct access to the hardware. This makes use of the gpu near impossible and will always leave resources to android wich has to run in the background.
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As I know, there is no old way of dual booting. In the UEFI you can possibly create a seccond instance to boot to with gnu grub. The only other way I know is via a VM, this has the disability with the drivers and no direct access to the hardware. This makes use of the gpu near impossible and will always leave resources to android wich has to run in the background.
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Thanks for clarification here. Yeah, I thought about KVM from this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone2/general/zf2-running-windows-7-using-kvm-t3153299 which seemed a bit overcomplicated and more proof-of-concept thing, sort of similiar to running Windows 9x via DosBox on Symbian smartphones years ago. They also run into problem with unobtainable gpu drivers.
I believe there is drivers from other tablets and phones, I believe someone mentioned a dell tablet but I can be wrong.
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As I mentioned above and keeping mind those news about Intel not being happy with their SoCs perfomance on market it could possibly become a problem to get support on their side. Correct me if I am wrong, that's just my thoughts
I have cracked open a android, how do you call it, bios and am compiling a uefi bios now with the information from the droidbios and another uefi bios, Well see how this ends, This will take a lot of time.
Curious, any headway on this yet?
Progress is slow, I am working beyond my knowledge, so every step needs to be researched. Next to that at this point (rounding off university) my time is quit limmited.
Verry interesting! But I feel like it ended bad
Other options are coreboot or libreboot.
Man what happened u very-hard-briked it ?
Been too bussy to spend more time on it, and since my other cellphone died, my zf2 is my daily driver again...
Oh ok.
I think that the hard-brick is the biggest problem. We need a way to hard-flash a boot firmware if we hard-brick. To try many times
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Oh ok.
I think that the hard-brick is the biggest problem. We need a way to hard-flash a boot firmware if we hard-brick. To try many times
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so why did nobody code an UEFI bios as a part of a modded twrp with some failsafe measures (for early builds) zenfone 2 with a full windows would be amazing
News from the other tread.
On the asus web there is the kernel sources!
Look like zf2 uses Bootstub.
Hello!
As you may know, win10 arm has already been ported to lumia 950 - sd820 device.
The challenge is to make, hack, port the UEFI to install it on our Sony devices.
As I'm a noob I wantto know if this is achieveble to be able to multi boot android and win10 arm. Maybe from there we can do intresting things like root, drm back-up etc.
Waiting your comments on this.
I don't know what is need for UEFI but I think whole new bootloader is reguired for that, but getting it on our sony device which have trim area partition at the start of emmc I think whole thing is very nonportable.... here is some initial work https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2507665 by Cottula (xda legend on legendary HTC HD2 multi os phone). First reguirement is getting LK (litle kernel bootloader) bootable but I think thats useles because you need to replace sony bootloader which is not replaceable. Even if you somehow get a way to replace bootloader there would be nightmare porting LK to our devices. Sony is not very development friendly device I can say that with 99 percent sure at least for two models which I owned, not blaming it but just my experience with them, third phone no thanks, I'm waiting this one https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/ for the next phone, hope I get finally my and only my own phone and hope it get runing what I want and not what somebody want. Win 10 on xperia? Good luck!
With all respect for you, Munjeni, but:
1. Win 10 ARM can be installed in QEMU virtual machine
https://winaero.com/blog/install-windows-10-arm-qemu/
2. QEMU is available for android
https://github.com/subho007/qemu-android/blob/master/INSTALL
3. Can you install QEMU then Windows 10 ARM then boot win10 from QEMU and see if it has acces to the storage?
My bet is that from there we can make a full backup, bit by bit of all partitions, regarding that the data will be encrypted, it does not afect us. It can be restored later encrypted as it was
Are you willing to try?
Z2 tablet has a windows 10 arm on it however due to legal issues it wasn't released https://plus.google.com/+kholk/posts/ayf2C2saF4Y
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With all respect for you, Munjeni, but:
1. Win 10 ARM can be installed in QEMU virtual machine
https://winaero.com/blog/install-windows-10-arm-qemu/
2. QEMU is available for android
https://github.com/subho007/qemu-android/blob/master/INSTALL
3. Can you install QEMU then Windows 10 ARM then boot win10 from QEMU and see if it has acces to the storage?
My bet is that from there we can make a full backup, bit by bit of all partitions, regarding that the data will be encrypted, it does not afect us. It can be restored later encrypted as it was
Are you willing to try?
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Not going to try that have no free time right now for anything phones, pc...etc related but thats interesting I must admit. In the same time I don't own 64bit device so I can't try even if I get any idea
Sdio emmc 5.1 controller... Win driver ?