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Swimming....

it just so happens, that my Trinity(6 months old) decided that it likes water, and forced me to sit it in a cup of water in my cars cup holder. i looked at it about ten minutes later, and after yelling some vulgarities at it, and myself, i immediately popped out the battery.
do you guys think this device will come out alive? btw, it went speaker side down in the water... and believe it or not, the trinity can hold ALLOT of water.
if it doesn't come out alive, anyone interested in some trinity parts?
My friend also got a s620 (tmobile branded), and im kinda jealous at what he can do with it... nes games, snes... aim blows... crazy fast test messaging... i was thinking maybe i should one up him and get the cavalier... why is there no thread for the s630? and is it worth it? does it have the same possibility of crazy death scroll issue the s620 could suffer from? any other thoughts?
thanks for any input...
-Ryan

10 minutes.... I don't even think that you can hold your breath under water for that long - not to mention delicate electronic devices....
You did the right thing poping out the battery immediately. Hope that no one called you during its swimming and you didn't touch any buttons after it finished.
Now, what you can do it very limited - you may want to disassemble it - at least open up the case, and then use a hair dryer to blow it for an hour. After that, put it in a box together with some solid state dehydrants for few days.
And pray...

There are cases of Wizard swimming (diving actually) for hours and yet came out well, after the opening up and drying process. There is still hope.

Depends what it was swimming in!
Coffee and Coke are bad Ordinary tap water is also bad because the impurities (calcium etc) will eventually form some microscopic crystals on the MB tracks. Distilled water is best, but I presume you weren't drinking that
Try & disassemble as much as possible, and leave to dry naturally in a warm place for 2-3 days- dpn't be tempted to 'try it out' before that.
Can you claim on your household insurance?

hanmin said:
after the opening up and drying process. There is still hope.
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That's the only solution...and pray maybe (we never know)

meh.
well... i guess the good news is that i have filtered water.... im not talking brita either... im talking huge filtration units in the basement that look like big ol' helium tanks. my water is clean... either way, i don't happen to have any solid state dehydration material handy.. unless were talking about silica gel beads... in which case i have about 8 pounds of it. a drawback to this is that it spews dust all over the place that sticks to everything. i was told to soak it in distilled water, but ive seen what water does to lcd's and touchscreens... they get milky white, and don't work. id rather dip it in isopropl alcohol, swish a few times and spit. and is to praying, i'm not very religious ;p
thanks guys.

Well I do not really know about the trinity and for sure I wish that it has some water resistance, cause things like that happen all the time, but I had my Samsung WEp200, bluetooth in the washing machine inside my shirt's pocket for 1 and half hours in full wash, and after I took it out, it was still working......I am actually talking through that righ now....

Refering to the post above regarding the 'water' the phone is in, if my memory is serving me right, it is lake water, the diving Wizard went to.
Anyway, I seriously not sure if swimming phone happens a lot.. but if you do, you need to get those waterproof phone
http://www.canu502s.co.kr/
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Recovery!
wow...
i never thought it would survive. it did. after being submersed in water for 10 minutes... it had bits of corrosion on the board cause there is a small backup battery onboard, via high voltage soldering tacked to the board... anyway... thanks to that bettery, it almost killed everything for me.
this saved me:
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i ran the main board under the spicket and scrubbed the everliving **** out of it. then i blew it off with an air compressor and let it sit for 2 days. i put it all back together with one screw left, and it booted up! sadly though, it had a kinda 3d effect cause the water got into the lcd layers.... so i pulled that apart( all the layers are on the back of the lcd starting with mirror, not the front). since i was working in a wood shop, it was a bit dusty :/ and i got a tid bit of dust on the layers and it looks nasty... ill get it later with latex gloves and alcohol... blew the layers off and dried them, and it looks great!
just so you know... the lcd is probally the most time consuming peice to take apart and put back together simply because it has 8 different layers that need to be cleaned, if water gets into em... lol..
guess the moral is, don't put your 600.00 phone in water.

Congratulations man! It's really a miracle for you

gratz
hope death will not feel chated like in the movie final destination 1-3

i was kinda disappointed that it worked.. i was looking for another reason to blow 600 on a cavalier s630... scratch that.. i have a projector to pay off... rofl.

its suprise what works after dropped, i've dropped atleast 3 mobiles in the bath ect lol, they still worked after a good dryin out!

My Xperia deep in gthe water... and still working

Hello,
I was in spain on a river heloing my son jumping from one rock to another when i heard a ""splash""... Ooppps that was my xperia that just dropped out of my pocket into about 4 meters water.
My parents instisted to pick it up while i was just thinking i would get another one from my company.
So i jumped into the water and pick it up...
I did wait about an half day and started it again and guess what? STILL WORKING.
So ic an tell you that HTC device are water resistant

Wow - You got lucky dude!
i dropped mine in the toilet and it broke the screen - it messed up all the colours and everything - was the phone off when you dropped it in?

i'm sure there is some serious corrosion going on inside of the unit. but there is always a chance you'll never have a problem from it.

yes u should dry it some more , half day isnt enuff ...

Lucky guy

comeradealexi said:
i dropped mine in the toilet
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cedricj said:
Hello,
I was in spain on a river heloing my son jumping from one rock to another when i heard a ""splash""... Ooppps that was my xperia that just dropped out of my pocket into about 4 meters water.
My parents instisted to pick it up while i was just thinking i would get another one from my company.
So i jumped into the water and pick it up...
I did wait about an half day and started it again and guess what? STILL WORKING.
So ic an tell you that HTC device are water resistant
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Have you tried throwing it in lava?

as mentioned already, half a day is not long enough. i suggest you leave it off for a few more days. sure it is working now but while it's powered on, the moisture inside will slowly but surely build up corrosion at the solder joints and battery/power terminals. that' s when things start to go screwy.
take off the battery cover and battery, leave it open with they keyboard showing, wrap the phone in a thin towel or dry wash cloth and place it on top of a tv or something that generates constant heat. it helps to leave a fan blowing as it helps the air circulate and remove unwanted moisture.
leave it to dry for as long as you can live without your xperia. the longer it dries, the better your chances of things not going wrong in the future due to corrosion and whatnot.

this was my old before I got my X1. Picture taken (not with phone...obviously) for insurance company.
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you had to take a picture of it to prove to them??? what if you didnt have one?

Trust me, it's only matter of time, until the oxidizing will kill your phone totaly. Once it gets to the water, it's already on the way to hell. Water and electronics, that's a killer. Especialy if some stupid people take the phone right after droping into the water and wonder that it doesn't work and CHARGE THE DAMN BATTERY!

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Trust me, it's only matter of time, until the oxidizing will kill your phone totaly. Once it gets to the water, it's already on the way to hell. Water and electronics, that's a killer. Especialy if some stupid people take the phone right after droping into the water and wonder that it doesn't work and CHARGE THE DAMN BATTERY!
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Don't be so sure.
Three years ago I dropped my old W800i in the tub and it was fully submerged. I dried it off thoroughly then charged it up, on the assumption that the heat from charging would evaporate the water quickly. It worked, and it's still going.

well I am so sure. As I do work with a service guy and his job is to fix phones.... It's same like droping a cookie into the water and saying later - it looks as new.. It may look like new, but that's only what you can see. Inside the cookie isn't the same cookie as it was once before

That's called "selection bias," dude. The guy you work with gets the phones that did not survive the water. He never touches or sees all the other phones that survived.
There is at least one entire post talking about phones that survived various water submersions.
I have a Dell laptop that died for 3 days after being soaked with rain (2 years ago), and now continues to function after it dried, as well as the SE W800i.
That's 2 for 2. My own selection bias, but not bad at all.

put it in container with rice

lol. that's constant heat, but constant humidity! not a good idea

Dry rice, not a rice cooker.

Why rice?
And I don't think the inside of the phone will suffer corrosion since rivers don't have salt water
And one more thing.. I don't electronic devices don't mind watter as it is, but the electronics do mind because water is a conductor (duh!) and it screws it up inside so that it turns off..
I also heard that after a phone takes a bath in any kind of natural water, it would be good to dip it in distilled water (?) since it's not a conductor and all that stuff.. kewl ha?

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Why rice?
And I don't think the inside of the phone will suffer corrosion since rivers don't have salt water
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Because the rice will absorb any moisture in the air around it.
It will:
http://www.roscoemoss.com/tech_manuals/fmcf/

yeah, we all know from 3th grade of elementary school, that water is a conductor. Which is what most people don't realize. What it does with the motherboard? Motherboard has special thin "skin", which protects it from the corosion or oxidization (damn how to spell that?). But once you put it in the water, the thin "skin" is destroyed and that's it.
So it may work now, next week.. But in the near future it'll die suddenly

Drop / Shock Tests

Friends, Will be updating this thread with drop and shock tests of the HTC ONE.
Here is one of the good ones I found, and if you come across more, please do mention them and I will add them into the OP for sure

damn that bloody glued speaker cover
most stupid idea ever
at least provide a way to clip it back in!
the One X in this test would have only lost its screen...
but yea this video confirms the back cover + frame are unibody....
they dented together bent together and never seperated

Oh man, I can see that speaker grille getting super annoying in future carelessness. Not looking forward to that!

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here we can see the unibody back + plastic frame, they sustained the damage together and only in the extreme point of impact do we see slight seperation
the ground it fell on is really rough
still the front glued covers are absurdly stupid!
MAD at Speaker Covers
My One X and Desire HD surived very simliar falls without ever a flying part, not even the Desire HD plastic patches did ever fly (they snap in and not glued)!
but when i saw Jonas phone i was really worried this would happen and yup it does!
stupid glues should be banned from phone assmebly!

Is there a blog that would do the drop tests in at least a little bit scientific way? Because you can drop a phone 10 times on its back and nothing will happen but you need just one drop on the face to shatter the screen...

Screen looked fine but the dents were pretty bad.
At least on first drop the screen never cracked like the iPhone.
Deffo getting a cover! lol

nothing wrong with breaking or dents the ground its falling on is really rough
the one and only problem is the flying speaker covers

ERE! One thing I can't get my head around is how Nokia managed to construct the Lumia 920 to somehow withstand being launched about 20 meters through the air without breaking (and yes I know it's more of a lump) but how has no other manufacturer managed to emulate such tank like design?? Surely it can't simply be packing I mean the weight difference between the 920 (185g) and the One (143g) is really not that great a difference.....it's about the same as one of those little boxes of raisins.....And I can't see that being a defining difference between being damaged from hip height to being damaged from a throw.....Anyone think of how/why this is?

hamdir said:
the one and only problem is the flying speaker covers
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Nothing that a drop of superglue won't fix, so it's bad but not critically bad I'd say.

llothar said:
Is there a blog that would do the drop tests in at least a little bit scientific way? Because you can drop a phone 10 times on its back and nothing will happen but you need just one drop on the face to shatter the screen...
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I assume you're looking for how many times a phone will land on its face out of the number of times dropped? A scientific test would require repetition, which I don't think any blog has the resources to do. Plus, when it comes down to it, you can't control how you drop your phone. I think it's enough to know that a full-on frontal drop will result in a cracked screen.

Soooo my concern is this.
Do you think even if we don't drop, this adhesive can go off in time? I mean can it fall by itself in time?

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ERE! One thing I can't get my head around is how Nokia managed to construct the Lumia 920 to somehow withstand being launched about 20 meters through the air without breaking (and yes I know it's more of a lump) but how has no other manufacturer managed to emulate such tank like design?? Surely it can't simply be packing I mean the weight difference between the 920 (185g) and the One (143g) is really not that great a difference.....it's about the same as one of those little boxes of raisins.....And I can't see that being a defining difference between being damaged from hip height to being damaged from a throw.....Anyone think of how/why this is?
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the One X and Desire HD are tank like as well, in case of the One X there are no covers, its full unibody as well, screen protected by metal frame

Note to self: Do not drop it. EVER.

These pics and videos of the damaged One are breaking my heart
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hamdir said:
the One X and Desire HD are tank like as well, in case of the One X there are no covers, its full unibody as well, screen protected by metal frame
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Oh yes no doubting that the DHD is a tank, mine has been more then abused and laughed it off for the most part....Though not sure if you've seen the dop test of the Lumia 920. The bloke hits it across a car-park (or something) with a bit of wood and it doesn't brake. Some of the hits the phone takes would literally obliterate most others and he has to throw it full pelt, screen first in to a concrete pillar to break the screen lol.. I've literally not seen anything like it from a phone before. I'd love to know how they managed to make it quite so strong.....
(here's the link to show you if you've not seen it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3c8il_Q6SU .....and no I'm not bigging up the 920, I know it's a good phone but it has far more flaws than the One.....I'm just referring to it in regards to its construction)

actually i'm really pissed
and if this speaker cover bull**** is not improved in later batches, i might reconsider...first time ever i see on an HTC
and i meant One X, One S, One V, 8x, Explorer, Sensation, Evo 3D, Sensation XL, Desire HD, Desire, Nexus One, HD2
non of them had easily flying covers!

these drop tests were quite brutal , usually no one drops them like this and on concrete thrice.. but i think the phone is quite good still in terms of what really happened to it..
my heart was pumping when the one was being dropped, such a gorgeous device!

I instantly remembered Lumia920 drop test. They were unable to shatter the screen like that. Lumia is using Gorilla2 as well. Why the big difference?

hamdir said:
actually i'm really pissed
and if this speaker cover bull**** is not improved in later batches, i might reconsider...first time ever i see on an HTC
and i meant One X, One S, One V, 8x, Explorer, Sensation, Evo 3D, Sensation XL, Desire HD, Desire, Nexus One, HD2
non of them had easily flying covers!
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It wont be improved unless they got some amazing glue. An impact like that will cause it to bend and fly off. Waiting for later batches wont improve that.

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Screen looked fine but the dents were pretty bad.
At least on first drop the screen never cracked like the iPhone.
Deffo getting a cover! lol
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I never understood that.
People buying a phone because its aluminium and its oh so pretty and not plastic, and then put it in a (plastic) case which makes the whole thing look like a toy in a condom so it wont dent.

water resistance actuality

So I'm on vacation with my family and have a Verizon nexus 6. I waned to further test the usability of the phone in water. I have seen the video where it was submerged and was convinced it was good to go for the most part. I decided to record some video about 2in submerged. It did it great and worked so i kept going and tried some more. Never had it deeper than about 6in. After about 3videos the proximity sensor changed to a red light pretty much then it faded away. The next malfunction was the signal dropped and then the phone shut off and it was basically in a boot loop going from Google boot animation and continuing to loop. After about 30 min of that the screen started to go fully white then black for another 30 Min. Then it died and is not coming on. So basically do not purposely submerge your n6. Just wanted i share my experience with the community. For those wondering. I have a new one coming Monday after the $150 deductible.

Also prior to doing this i had used the phone in the shower 3 times with no problems getting it wet.

So don't submerge a phone in water that isn't rated as waterproof?

Why? Just why would you even attempt this??
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Also prior to doing this i had used the phone in the shower 3 times with no problems getting it wet.
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Um, WTF were you doing with your phone in the shower ... Never mind, don't think we want to know

That's like saying "when I drove my Subaru into the wall it no longer runs" or "While moving my piano from the 5th floor it dropped and broke." "When I touched the 400 Volt power line it shocked me."
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Water resistance means it resists water, not that it is water proof. It is more likely to survive a splash or two but is not designed to be submerged. Think old Casio watches that you could wash your hands with while wearing but going to the pool would have been a mistake.

I find this rather interesting and commend you for your bravery. couldnt/wouldn't have done this myself but interesting none the less lol
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Bravery? That's not the word that comes to mind for this attention seeking stunt.

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Water resistance means it resists water, not that it is water proof. It is more likely to survive a splash or two but is not designed to be submerged. Think old Casio watches that you could wash your hands with while wearing but going to the pool would have been a mistake.
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Exactly! Well said!
Sent from my Nexus 6

Why do people confuse water resistance with water proof? Lol

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Why do people confuse water resistance with water proof? Lol
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Cause.....water

Thanks for confirming that our phone isn't waterproof, I'm sure there's an extremely small minority of owners that don't already know this.

Thanks for confirming dude

OP, are you too rich ? looking ways to burn money?

This is pretty funny lol.
I personally wouldn't test the limits of water resistance, but that's just me.
I didn't even know nexus 6 advertised water resistance, I knew it had no wasn't water proof certification though.

bbedward said:
This is pretty funny lol.
I personally wouldn't test the limits of water resistance, but that's just me.
I didn't even know nexus 6 advertised water resistance, I knew it had no wasn't water proof certification though.
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on the motorola website it had said water resistant yes ( for what ever thats worth) it was removed like a month later not even.

Well, after watching this video i thought it might be quiet waterproof:

Dreamlogix said:
on the motorola website it had said water resistant yes ( for what ever thats worth) it was removed like a month later not even.
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It still says it on the moto site.
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Water resistant, yes, water proof, no.
Water resistant is splash proof, which is no where near submersible. Jeez some people are odd.

OP, appreciated the attempt but if you decide to purposefully destroy another phone maybe next time do a series of water exposures with each slightly higher than the last. This might give the rest of us a better idea of how strong the water resistance really is.

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Bravery? That's not the word that comes to mind for this attention seeking stunt.
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I think its funny so many of you give a **** what he does with his phone. who cares, if he wants to throw it in the toilet and piss all over it and pull it back out and use it that's his decision.. I would like to know what the limitations of the phone are as far as water goes, so yeah dunking a 600$ device in water isn't something I have balls enough to do but of someone else is willing to hey I will definitely watch
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Be very careful with the phone.. or get a good case.

Well.. I've had the phone for less than 3 full days and already cracked the rear glass. Good thing I have insurance.. but it seems s7 is extremely fragile.
Phone dropped out of my pocket while sitting down. About 1 and 1/2 foot drop and hit the corner.. already cracked..
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someone reported the same thing less than an hour after getting it. I feel they could have designed around that a bit better. Tempered glass always does terrible in corners. A couple of MM extra metal at the corners could probably save a bunch of phones.

Understandable. I have this one http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B1I6J0E?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00 and I'm worried it's not gonna be enough for this phone. Already have two different ones on order.

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Understandable. I have this one http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B1I6J0E?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00 and I'm worried it's not gonna be enough for this phone. Already have two different ones on order.
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i've got the rugged armor and it seems it should be fine, so i assume this would be ok too

This happens EVERY time a new phone is released. If anyone doesn't believe me, just go look at the other phones and you will see the same warnings when they were released. ALL of these kinds of phones are fragile to a certain degree. Anyone going without a good case is taking extra risk. Even a good case is no guarantee. Think of it this way, would you carry a laptop around without protection, drop it, and expect it not to eventually get damaged? When the next iPhone or S8 is released next year, other threads like this will show up early after their releases. If you drop it 2 inches or 2 feet...there is always a chance there will be damage. I don't think anyone drops it on purpose. That being the situation, I would think it would be a good move to put it in a case and at least improve the odds from the beginning.

I feel how it hurts. Can you post pics?

Mind you I have never broken a phone this early. And I've had lots phones without cases. Notably note4, LG g2, g3, gs3. All which I dropped many times.
I'll post pictures soon.
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From this vid s7 edge looked like it shouldn't happen so easily https://youtu.be/GU8S_BjByKU maybe edge is more durable?
But it's not so bad and guy from video claims that back cover replacement costs ~30$ but anyway it's insurance problem. I wonder will water resistance still be present after such repair

Pics.

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An 18 inch drop did that?

I already opened a claim, I don't want any issues with waterproofing. But if Samsung repair says they can do it for cheaper I might go with that option.

scott14719 said:
An 18 inch drop did that?
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Yep. I was sitting at dining table feeding my son. just slipped out of my pj pocket and hit the floor. That's why I'm surprised.
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insang-droid said:
Yep. I was sitting at dining table feeding my son. just slipped out of my pj pocket and hit the floor. That's why I'm surprised.
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Thanks for posting. I'm definitely getting a case for it.

Isn't this what you people wanted? A premium feel at the expense of durability?

wow scary, first time ive heard of a phone ruined by being dropped now im definitely going to get a case and also place the phone inside 10 socks just in case

tenaciousj said:
Isn't this what you people wanted? A premium feel at the expense of durability?
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It's really not any more serious than chipping the paint or faux chrome on the edge bezels of previous Galaxy devices. I've owned the S3, S4 and S4 Mini. They look terrible after a year, even if you don't drop them. The S4 Mini is now over 2 years old and it's edge bezels look like the surface of the moon, and it's not from dropping it. That won't happen with the current generation of Galaxy devices.
At least the glass back on an S6 or S7 can be replaced to look like new. The edge bezels are part of the chassis. So, yeah, I'm fine with metal and glass.

i dropped my Xperia Z3 Compact a couple of times while standing, couple times onto wood floor, couple times onto tile. Never even scratched. Dropped it one day while at the pool onto this sort of uneven stone/sandstone kinda stuff from literally 2 or 3 INCHES, completely shattered the front glass. I mean total spiderweb destruction.
If just depends how you drop it and onto what surface.

Isn't it just bad luck either? I mean, I recently dropped my S6 and it also broke the glass (in the sense that the glass plate let loose and can now get dust under it). This was an innocent drop and it had falled quite a few times before already (before I was used to the slippery back of the thing) without any issues.
I've seen phones survive the most insane stuff only to get beaten by the bad luck of exactly hitting that part of the corner after a small drop.
Still sucks bigtime of course...

Lot of what's said is true. I still wonder how the waterproofing would be after repair.. of if the waterproofing would be OK with cracked glass.
I'm thinking the rear glass has no effect on the IP68 rating, when looking at the gs6 rear glass replacement video.