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[Q] Performance of Focus with and without an SD Card?

Hi All,
I was wondering if someone who has added an SD card to their Focus could comment on the performance of it with it in and with it out.
Maybe a video of before and after showing a game loading or just a general comment on what they've noticed?
Thanks very much and looking forward to your responses!
Jonno

I got my Focus yesterday. Played with it all afternoon and evening. I already had a 16GB Sandisk class 2 card which is listed as compatible, so I went ahead and installed it.
Set everything back up and played with it some more, plus this morning. I've noticed no slowdowns or lagginess of any kind. I've got 22GB free after the install. Also tried the tethering and it worked great.
FYI: I did order the 16GB Kingston class 4 card, but didn't want to wait for it. I'll put that one in my old phone.
Verdict: very happy!

Thanks very much!
I saw a video just now with someone who had added a SD card to their Focus and it still outperformed the HD7. BUT, it was relatively empty (< 2 GB of storage used) which means that it is possible that more of the data was on the NAND memory than on the SD Card.
It would be interesting to see someone install an app without the card in and run it to see how long it takes, then add a card and install the same app and time it, and then fill up the card with media and THEN install the app (once the storage is almost full) and then time it.
May take some time but should be worth it in the end .
I know the data is supposed to be spread across any of the storage facilities available but we're not sure how it is done (simply filling it up, striping the data).

Yes, that's video was unfair, need a full data card to test, waiting
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Jonno2343 said:
Hi All,
I was wondering if someone who has added an SD card to their Focus could comment on the performance of it with it in and with it out.
Maybe a video of before and after showing a game loading or just a general comment on what they've noticed?
Thanks very much and looking forward to your responses!
Jonno
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I ran for a week without an SD card and encountered many of the same issues reported (app hang/crash, marketplace lag/hang). I had to reboot a couple times my first week for one reason or another.
I've since added a class 2 sandisk 8gb and do not notice any difference, performance or otherwise. Incidently I have not had to reboot since I added memory. I have rebooted it once only verify the data was still there after reset.
Hope this helps,

I tested my coworker's Focus vs mine. He had a 16GB Sandisk class 2 card with >8gb of data. I had no card with ~7GB of data. I launched ilomilo on each phone about the same time. They finished pretty much at the same time.

I'll second the above, I've noticed no difference between having a card and not having a card except for the amount of storage available. I'm not saying there's no difference, I'm saying I've noticed no difference so I didn't bother measuring. Programs load and run at the same speed either way, media loads and plays at the same speed...no difference.
Guess I should add that mine is an 8GB Sandisk class 2 card. No problems whatsoever as far as speed, rebooting or anything else.

In my opinion, the best type of test would be a stock Focus vs a Focus with an added micro sd card with the phone+card loaded to the max with content.

I will test this and report back. I have a Focus stock and my wife has one with a 16GB Sandisk Class 2 card in it. I'll load it up and see if there is a difference over the weekend.
My Focus with no memory card has not crashed in the marketplace yet, my wife's does a lot...

Great, thanks very much!
Looking forward to the results.

This is really weird. My first test has one focus with a Class 2 Sandisk 16GB card but only 4.5 GB used total on the phone. The other Focus is stock with no card and about 4.5 GB used also.
Speed tests so far
Stock Focus -
- Marketplace and browsing the catalogs - much faster the first time I tested. after however it was mixed and occasionally the 16GB was quicker.
- People Hub - faster load and browsing.
- Bing Faster load just barely.
Focus+16GB - faster at loading Uverse and Netflix
- Loads Uverse faster
- Loads Netflix a second faster.
Both phones always get back to the main screen at the same speed, weird Also, occassionally the 16GB is slower, then the next test its faster.
I'll load up the card and report back.

The way you should test
Try this place the sd card in then add 9 gb of music and videos then install the program. I highly doubt the sd cards are causing program and marketplace crashes as I can get those to more noticably with wifi on. Also no one really knows what is running in the background. There is multitasking just not available to 3rd party apps so who knows if we are getting facebook syncs when things act weird. I would suggest not setting any accounts up and power off the phone then power it back on if you want a real comparison. The OS files would run from the NAND so dlls and other files that games and programs use should always run from the NAND but not the program it's self so loading the card with data that fills the nand then installing a program to the sd card would show if there are performance issues.

I've been very curious about this. I have a pny 8gb class 4 in mine. I've been paranoid about performance decreases, but i haven't seen any clear difference. But i would certainly appreciate a video or something confirming that there is no performance decrease, just to settle my paranoia.

When I first bought my Focus it was about a week before I actually installed a SD Card in it. Im using a 8gb Sandisk class 2 right now and have noticed NO difference in performance at all. Its still fast, smooth and runs beautifully. Ill be getting a 16gb Sandisk class 2 card very soon...I would assume that wont change things either....Seems Sandisk is the way to go if you wanna be safe...since Sandisk in used for phone memory by Samsung.

I have the Kingston 32GB card in... no issues what so ever and I have over 15GBs on the card to date. I took the chance and so far *KNOCK-ON-WOOD* nothing has come up

Should be getting a Sandisk 16GB Class 10 soon, will update.

[Q] Multi touch Buggy and slow GPU

Hi there,
I have the Back to the Future [XBmod-Yuki] rom with official mango update on my HD2 and I am having problems with multi touch and GPU graphics.
I'll start off with the GPU problem, some games that require the GPU such as "Angry birds", "the impossible game", "fruit ninja" don't run as fast on lets say when i had android flashed to my HD2. I can accept this though as it could be just because WP7 was not made for the HD2 and has not been in development as long as android has.
Now what I can't except is the multi touch problem, pinch to zoom does not work properly on anything and when it does it is jumpy, and in a game like assassins creed or sonic the headchog it does not work at all. If you moving and you press the jump button it seems to forget that you still have your fingur on the move button and you stop in your tracks.
I really hope there is something that can fix this.

Well, it's actually exactly the other way round at the moment
Multitouch is a well known bug and you'll have to accept it at the moment
But the performance should be good enough to run Angry Birds, Fruit Ninja cause they work perfectly fine on mine...
Atm I can't think of any other cause than the sdcard... But have you tried to do some hardresets (or even softresets). Sometimes they can work wonders...

Yeah come to think of it it could be the SD card... Its not slow all the time, most of the time it is only a little slow so it could be when it reads the sd card that it runs slow. The SD card is a class 4 so not all that fast at all. I'll have to get a class 10 me's think.
Thanks anyway

A class 10 card will prolly give you the same or other problems. What you need to do is to try out class 4\6 cards untill you get one that works.

Why would a class 10 card have the same problem? There faster and more reliable than class 6.

They are only faster at max throughput, which is used for HD recording and transfers. Higher class cards are usually slower at random access, which is important for applications like those on WP7.

[Q] how many apps will note be able handle ?

hi
I face phone restarts once or twice a day
I have 200 apps including 4to 8 HD games
I have 16Gb class four SD card
During these restsrts if i remove the sd card then everything goes
Normal.
Should i go for class 6 memory card
Or uninstall more apps
I have 10Gb free space in sd
1gb free system memory
And 2 gb free phone memory
Wat should be done

Two restarts a day is not normal - only time I had that was with a very early ROM. Have you tried different kernel or ROM?
Are most of your apps on the SD card? Seems that there are some dodgy SD cards out there.
What I would do is backup all of the apps, reformat the card and then load your favourite apps back on to it and see how it goes. Do you use 200 apps regularly? Just use the favourites for a while. Also maybe try a different SD card?

TempusFudgeIt said:
Two restarts a day is not normal - only time I had that was with a very early ROM. Have you tried different kernel or ROM?
Are most of your apps on the SD card? Seems that there are some dodgy SD cards out there.
What I would do is backup all of the apps, reformat the card and then load your favourite apps back on to it and see how it goes. Do you use 200 apps regularly? Just use the favourites for a while. Also maybe try a different SD card?
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am still with my stock rom
all the possible apps moved to SD card , i just use those apps once in 2 or 3 days
only 4-6 apps i use daily .
should i go for class 6 SD card , currently am using transcend , should i try someother brand , if yes which one

Transcend is good brand. I've used it and a few other commercial ones (don't want to advertise!)
I have a Class 6 and Class 10 (and a cheap Class 6 one that I think is really only class 4 - it plays up and pixelates on videos)
If you can afford it definitely go Class 6 minimum. (PS I used Class 10 interchangeably on my DLSR for HD videos so I know it works well)

I would recommend formatting the card from the device itself and try again. Even 500 apps shouldnt crash the sevice. I have found several root apps that can crash the device but normally it shouldnt happen.
Transcend are a good brand and I wouldnt worry too much about the card unless its damaged.
The phones can be funny at times about the filenames in tye root of the card and i have found corrupt videos and images can sometimes crash the media scanner.
If youre capable, try get a dmesg log and logcat which might be more helpful if the problem persists.
Hope you have more luck now.
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[Q] New A500 owner, couple of noob questions

Hi folks, got my A500 refurb for 200 bucks last night. Its mint, and so far awesome. I am coming from a Nook Color as my last tablet so this is a huge jump. Updated OTA to ICS this morning.
Couple of simple questions:
1. How do I turn off haptic feedback? It wasn't on when it was on HC, but in ICS it has it, the vibrate on this thing is strong enough for it to be annoying. I looked under keyboard settings which is where it is on any of my old devices, and its not there, unless I missed it?
2. Does this thing go to sleep if you leave the screen off for an extended period, like shut off the wifi and go low power? my Nook does that, not sure if theres a setting I need to set. I left for work this morning and left it on my desk, on and connected to WiFi, am I gonna come home to 50% battery?
3. Tried the Hero of Sparta game on it last night while still on HC. Played great but the sound was choppy, I have heard some attribute sound issues to Dolby Mobile, is that the case? Should I try again with Dolby turned off?
4. I believe I read that you can't move apps to the SD card with ICS? Is that the case, because I bought an 8gb tab which means I'm gonna run out of space real quick. Can rooting fix that?

Rogue Leader said:
Hi folks, got my A500 refurb for 200 bucks last night. Its mint, and so far awesome. I am coming from a Nook Color as my last tablet so this is a huge jump. Updated OTA to ICS this morning.
Couple of simple questions:
1. How do I turn off haptic feedback? It wasn't on when it was on HC, but in ICS it has it, the vibrate on this thing is strong enough for it to be annoying. I looked under keyboard settings which is where it is on any of my old devices, and its not there, unless I missed it?
2. Does this thing go to sleep if you leave the screen off for an extended period, like shut off the wifi and go low power? my Nook does that, not sure if theres a setting I need to set. I left for work this morning and left it on my desk, on and connected to WiFi, am I gonna come home to 50% battery?
3. Tried the Hero of Sparta game on it last night while still on HC. Played great but the sound was choppy, I have heard some attribute sound issues to Dolby Mobile, is that the case? Should I try again with Dolby turned off?
4. I believe I read that you can't move apps to the SD card with ICS? Is that the case, because I bought an 8gb tab which means I'm gonna run out of space real quick. Can rooting fix that?
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1. In sound settings
2. I'd be worried if I came home to find my battery at 50 per cent, you be fine
2. Check advanced wifi settings- can tell wifi when to sleep
3. Cant help with this, experiment and find out
4. Not heard of anyone running out - that usb port comes in mighty handy!!!
5. Welcome to the forum

dibb_nz said:
1. In sound settings
2. I'd be worried if I came home to find my battery at 50 per cent, you be fine
2. Check advanced wifi settings- can tell wifi when to sleep
3. Cant help with this, experiment and find out
4. Not heard of anyone running out - that usb port comes in mighty handy!!!
5. Welcome to the forum
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Thanks for the tips, I came home and it was at 92 percent
Shutting off Dolby did fix the sound problem
I put a 32 GB micro SD in it. I was concerned games wouldn't install to it, and apparently they don't. I don't have a lot installed and yet I have less than 1.5gb remaining.
Thanks for the welcome

Rogue Leader said:
Thanks for the tips, I came home and it was at 92 percent
Shutting off Dolby did fix the sound problem
I put a 32 GB micro SD in it. I was concerned games wouldn't install to it, and apparently they don't. I don't have a lot installed and yet I have less than 1.5gb remaining.
Thanks for the welcome
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awesome you're welcome Hows that 32GB Card working, had any issues apart from being too small what brand and class is it m8???

dibb_nz said:
awesome you're welcome Hows that 32GB Card working, had any issues apart from being too small what brand and class is it m8???
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I got a sandisk class 4. It seems to work fine but the fact there's no way to move apps to it makes it a bit useless. I'm not much of a music/movie guy I usually use streaming so media space is wasted on me. Is there a fix for that yet?

app2sd
You might want to try App2sd from the google play store. The app won't move all apps to SD card, only apps that are moveable. So this app won't totally solve your problem but it should help.

partzman2 said:
You might want to try App2sd from the google play store. The app won't move all apps to SD card, only apps that are moveable. So this app won't totally solve your problem but it should help.
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Yeah I have that but it apparently doesn't work with ICS. I read somewhere else here someone complained about this as well. The button doesn't even show up to move apps to SD.

Rogue Leader said:
Yeah I have that but it apparently doesn't work with ICS. I read somewhere else here someone complained about this as well. The button doesn't even show up to move apps to SD.
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A lot of games and other Database apps usually save the Data to the Ext SD Card by default, or give you an option for location. At least what I've come across.

Rogue Leader said:
I got a sandisk class 4. It seems to work fine but the fact there's no way to move apps to it makes it a bit useless. I'm not much of a music/movie guy I usually use streaming so media space is wasted on me. Is there a fix for that yet?
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A Class 4 is a hair on the slow side, anyways. You would likely see a real world performance hit running apps off a class 4 card.

Moscow Desire said:
A lot of games and other Database apps usually save the Data to the Ext SD Card by default, or give you an option for location. At least what I've come across.
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Yeah the games do save there, but you can't move the actual app to the SD card which is nice to do. I bought an 8 gb tab and with only about 10 games on there and whatever apps I have I'm down to only 1.5 gb.
EDIT: I am wrong. The games do not save there. If I look in ES File Explorer the /mnt/sdcard folder shows a bunch of stuff, yet when I pull the SD card and put it in my PC, its blank except a couple of android insertd folders. I believe ICS DOES NOT save to the SD card? Can anyone else check? In ES File explorer, the sd card I inserted is shown as folder "external_sd" while theres a separate sdcard folder of which nothing in there is on the sd card.
I am wondering if I can just copy the data to the SD card, delete the "sdcard" folder and rename external to "sdcard"
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A Class 4 is a hair on the slow side, anyways. You would likely see a real world performance hit running apps off a class 4 card.
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Class 4 is the go to card on many many phones, the higher classes suffer on performance for many phone tasks which are I/O but work great for recording video or taking pictures. Class 10 especially really is made for digital cameras and actually performs worse than a 4 on a phone/tablet.

SD card slowing my phone?

I noticed when using "selective focus" in Camera app that phone freezes for about 10 sec. Also when I am using Gallery app, phone freezes when I try to delete picture. Note that I set Camera to store pictures in SD card.
And now phone is not recognizing SD card at all.
My question is, if it is possible that SD card is causing my phone to freeze and if someone had similar problem to please tell me how you fix it?

Zato-1 said:
I noticed when using "selective focus" in Camera app that phone freezes for about 10 sec. Also when I am using Gallery app, phone freezes when I try to delete picture. Note that I set Camera to store pictures in SD card.
And now phone is not recognizing SD card at all.
My question is, if it is possible that SD card is causing my phone to freeze and if someone had similar problem to please tell me how you fix it?
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We had this issue a while back on LG. Yes if you have a substandard card.
Moving apps and photos and such to a slower substandard card can cause lags in the system believe it or not

TheMadScientist said:
We had this issue a while back on LG. Yes if you have a substandard card.
Moving apps and photos and such to a slower substandard card can cause lags in the system believe it or not
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Thanks for reply, now that my SD card is dead, after removing it from phone, my s8 works perfectly.
A question mr/mrs Mad Scientist: do you use micro SD card on your phone and what class is it?
Also what are your thoughts on SD cards, now that we have phones with bigger storage?

Zato-1 said:
Thanks for reply, now that my SD card is dead, after removing it from phone, my s8 works perfectly.
A question mr/mrs Mad Scientist: do you use micro SD card on your phone and what class is it?
Also what are your thoughts on SD cards, now that we have phones with bigger storage?
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I did i got a samsung Evo 128 GB class 10 never had any issues out of it.Also had a 32 gb evo before this
I recently came into a jailboken PS Vita So I installed the SD card on it for all my games and no lags their either
But about 45 gb free Im a stickler for free space so I go my bare minimum music i listen too many apps
and what ever else and got like 35 gb free so No issues there
I even use it for download as its fater than my pc normally then just transfer what ever and delete
Most of my photos are backed up on google so no worrys there
So with the increased storage even at a 64 gb model Is more than plenty for my day to day life If it ever runs low Im sure I can clean enough up

But in the past slower or dying cards and such take time to read write if you have moved a bunch of active apps to sd that gets compounded and bottle-necked on read/write speeds Specialy when it comes to videos and big files or games