Hi All,
I was wondering if someone who has added an SD card to their Focus could comment on the performance of it with it in and with it out.
Maybe a video of before and after showing a game loading or just a general comment on what they've noticed?
Thanks very much and looking forward to your responses!
Jonno
I got my Focus yesterday. Played with it all afternoon and evening. I already had a 16GB Sandisk class 2 card which is listed as compatible, so I went ahead and installed it.
Set everything back up and played with it some more, plus this morning. I've noticed no slowdowns or lagginess of any kind. I've got 22GB free after the install. Also tried the tethering and it worked great.
FYI: I did order the 16GB Kingston class 4 card, but didn't want to wait for it. I'll put that one in my old phone.
Verdict: very happy!
Thanks very much!
I saw a video just now with someone who had added a SD card to their Focus and it still outperformed the HD7. BUT, it was relatively empty (< 2 GB of storage used) which means that it is possible that more of the data was on the NAND memory than on the SD Card.
It would be interesting to see someone install an app without the card in and run it to see how long it takes, then add a card and install the same app and time it, and then fill up the card with media and THEN install the app (once the storage is almost full) and then time it.
May take some time but should be worth it in the end .
I know the data is supposed to be spread across any of the storage facilities available but we're not sure how it is done (simply filling it up, striping the data).
Yes, that's video was unfair, need a full data card to test, waiting
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Jonno2343 said:
Hi All,
I was wondering if someone who has added an SD card to their Focus could comment on the performance of it with it in and with it out.
Maybe a video of before and after showing a game loading or just a general comment on what they've noticed?
Thanks very much and looking forward to your responses!
Jonno
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I ran for a week without an SD card and encountered many of the same issues reported (app hang/crash, marketplace lag/hang). I had to reboot a couple times my first week for one reason or another.
I've since added a class 2 sandisk 8gb and do not notice any difference, performance or otherwise. Incidently I have not had to reboot since I added memory. I have rebooted it once only verify the data was still there after reset.
Hope this helps,
I tested my coworker's Focus vs mine. He had a 16GB Sandisk class 2 card with >8gb of data. I had no card with ~7GB of data. I launched ilomilo on each phone about the same time. They finished pretty much at the same time.
I'll second the above, I've noticed no difference between having a card and not having a card except for the amount of storage available. I'm not saying there's no difference, I'm saying I've noticed no difference so I didn't bother measuring. Programs load and run at the same speed either way, media loads and plays at the same speed...no difference.
Guess I should add that mine is an 8GB Sandisk class 2 card. No problems whatsoever as far as speed, rebooting or anything else.
In my opinion, the best type of test would be a stock Focus vs a Focus with an added micro sd card with the phone+card loaded to the max with content.
I will test this and report back. I have a Focus stock and my wife has one with a 16GB Sandisk Class 2 card in it. I'll load it up and see if there is a difference over the weekend.
My Focus with no memory card has not crashed in the marketplace yet, my wife's does a lot...
Great, thanks very much!
Looking forward to the results.
This is really weird. My first test has one focus with a Class 2 Sandisk 16GB card but only 4.5 GB used total on the phone. The other Focus is stock with no card and about 4.5 GB used also.
Speed tests so far
Stock Focus -
- Marketplace and browsing the catalogs - much faster the first time I tested. after however it was mixed and occasionally the 16GB was quicker.
- People Hub - faster load and browsing.
- Bing Faster load just barely.
Focus+16GB - faster at loading Uverse and Netflix
- Loads Uverse faster
- Loads Netflix a second faster.
Both phones always get back to the main screen at the same speed, weird Also, occassionally the 16GB is slower, then the next test its faster.
I'll load up the card and report back.
The way you should test
Try this place the sd card in then add 9 gb of music and videos then install the program. I highly doubt the sd cards are causing program and marketplace crashes as I can get those to more noticably with wifi on. Also no one really knows what is running in the background. There is multitasking just not available to 3rd party apps so who knows if we are getting facebook syncs when things act weird. I would suggest not setting any accounts up and power off the phone then power it back on if you want a real comparison. The OS files would run from the NAND so dlls and other files that games and programs use should always run from the NAND but not the program it's self so loading the card with data that fills the nand then installing a program to the sd card would show if there are performance issues.
I've been very curious about this. I have a pny 8gb class 4 in mine. I've been paranoid about performance decreases, but i haven't seen any clear difference. But i would certainly appreciate a video or something confirming that there is no performance decrease, just to settle my paranoia.
When I first bought my Focus it was about a week before I actually installed a SD Card in it. Im using a 8gb Sandisk class 2 right now and have noticed NO difference in performance at all. Its still fast, smooth and runs beautifully. Ill be getting a 16gb Sandisk class 2 card very soon...I would assume that wont change things either....Seems Sandisk is the way to go if you wanna be safe...since Sandisk in used for phone memory by Samsung.
I have the Kingston 32GB card in... no issues what so ever and I have over 15GBs on the card to date. I took the chance and so far *KNOCK-ON-WOOD* nothing has come up
Should be getting a Sandisk 16GB Class 10 soon, will update.
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Hey all, was wondering is there something that could be causing apps to randomly timeout and ask for the force close/wait? I get it on Messaging, phone, contact random apps.
I do have it rooted and running on the SD card the apps. 2 GB but happened before I moved the apps to SD too some. It works still if I click wait, but just was looking for some insight. Thanks. =)
Out of curiosity, what is the exact SD card you are using? Just wondering if the data transfer rates might mess things up a bit.
Kingston 2 GB is the one, but before that was the one that came with the G1, Just seemed to have have timeout I guess.. but as I said clicked wait and its fine. But just not sure if its a App causing slowdowns or what. Sad part is.. my Free version of the old Power manager keeps crashing out now.
It is your SD card. The one that came with the G1 is a class 2, which is way too slow for something like that. It is recommended you have a class 6 card. I use a class 4 card, and experience a bit of lag. To get around this I chose not to move the cache to the card and I suggest you don't either. If your memory card is slower than a class 4, then I recommend you don't use your apps to your SD.
Well thing is, I had this before when I didnt use apps on SD. Was it still caused by the card before the switch as well? Justwondering. =)
I mean least everything still works fine, I can "live" with the lag on some operations, just wanted to see if it was normal. I know task manager says a few things are open in the background. I didnt know shopsavvy stays open in the background tho.. (even after a restart)
actually i have a class 2 8gb sd card and i have about 60 apps to sd and phone runs fine o_o
http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/windows-phone/f/90/t/1651.aspx
It was the same conclusion I was coming, but this verified it.
The shotty class 2 SDHC and the fact that I'm installing core apps to the main memory....giving me **** performance.
Will try my class 6 SDHC 8gb card tonight and install everything to the card.
pictures/messages/etc
No, it doesn't work.
I thought it did until I installed apps and started using the phone normally.
Fail.
All apps installed onto sdhc
Must be your phone. I install all my apps in the main memory and never had a freeze or anything. The wife and I love our HD2's. It has never frozed on us. Especially mine, because I'm the tester for all the cabs I could find and tweaks there is out there.
The only time I got it to freeze was when I was editing the registry. Also, the card that came with the TMOUS is a cheap card. Just use that for storage and nothing else. There should be plenty of room in the main memory for apps.
One other problem is BSB tweaks messes with you during calls. But there is a simple deselect fix for it.
Dammit, I wish I would have read this before I ordered a 16 gig class 6 memory card! Lol, oh well, I guess it won't hurt to have it.
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http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/windows-phone/f/90/t/1651.aspx
It was the same conclusion I was coming, but this verified it.
The shotty class 2 SDHC and the fact that I'm installing core apps to the main memory....giving me **** performance.
Will try my class 6 SDHC 8gb card tonight and install everything to the card.
pictures/messages/etc
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darkphantom, I think the issue isn't with the card itself, but rather the phone indexing it when it's full of lots of smaller files (like when you install apps on there). With the generous amount of storage memory on the HD2, you should be able to safely install apps to the phone...this phone sidesteps the reason why people started installing apps to the cards in the first place on older hardware, to get around limited on-board storage. Apps will always run smoother/faster from the phone memory anyway, and I have a strong belief that a large part of the SD card problems HD2 owners are experiencing are actually due to not the total volume of data on the card, but how many files there are. Try running the phone with no card in it, or with a card that only has, say, a handful of media on it...I think you'll see a difference.
EDIT: adam...did you try running it that way too yet? I'll get back to your PM on the other issue in just a bit here
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darkphantom, I think the issue isn't with the card itself, but rather the phone indexing it when it's full of lots of smaller files (like when you install apps on there). With the generous amount of storage memory on the HD2, you should be able to safely install apps to the phone...this phone sidesteps the reason why people started installing apps to the cards in the first place on older hardware, to get around limited on-board storage. Apps will always run smoother/faster from the phone memory anyway, and I have a strong belief that a large part of the SD card problems HD2 owners are experiencing are actually due to not the total volume of data on the card, but how many files there are. Try running the phone with no card in it, or with a card that only has, say, a handful of media on it...I think you'll see a difference.
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That defeats the purpose of a memory card....
If you have hundreds of songs...what then? GPS files aren't big, but they are numerous.
I got a new one today, will try it out, if not ...selling it.
adamhlj said:
Dammit, I wish I would have read this before I ordered a 16 gig class 6 memory card! Lol, oh well, I guess it won't hurt to have it.
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If I remember correctly the memory card slot only has the speed capabilities of class 2 anyway (the speed transfer between the phone & the memory card), but I could have read the specifications for the port wrong. So I haven't seen the need to upgrade the memory card, but that's just my 2 cents.
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That defeats the purpose of a memory card....
If you have hundreds of songs...what then? GPS files aren't big, but they are numerous.
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Yeah, I'm not arguing that at all...just wanted to validate the idea that the volume of files on the card are a more direct cause of the issue than the speed of the card. I just believe whatever algorithm they used for that isn't terribly efficient, and can get bogged down (and unstable) when it has to read and sort too many metatags.
I'm done with the phone. Tested the new unit by just turning it on and seeing how it was working.
Same issue.
Its For sale.
Good luck to everyone!
I was wondering if anyone has done a test of a Focus with and without a memory card installed for speed. There are Youtube videos showing that the Focus will boot into games faster than the HD7. The thought seems to be that the HD7 is using SD cards and the Focus is using NAND memory.
If you install an SD card in the Focus does it slow down because it is now also using SD memory and that is now the bottleneck?
When I installed a class 6 16GB MicroSDHC, I did hard reset via the att website instructions, not the quick guide ones. It showed around 22.?GB of space. I got errors when trying to use Netflix, YouTube, and few other apps. When I powered off and back on my memory was wiped, and it showed around 15GB space. I din't have time to notice speed. As far as browsing the phone it didn't seem different with or with out memory.
If WP7 truly stripes the data between NAND and micro-SD, it should be faster with the card as long as the SD card is not twice as slow as NAND memory (assuming you use an 8GB card). Would like to hear the real life results though.
My NC locks up/ freezes semi often. Usually like 2-3 times an hour. Restarting always fixes it but its crazy frustrating. It did it on phiremod and on cm7. Right now I'm on Cm7 nightly 108 and dagrins oc newest. It freezes are random times and while using any number of apps. I can not find a common thread. Any thoughts or suggestions? Also imrunning from internal memory and I have an 8gb storage card.
The most common reason for having FCs in the NC is due to the SD card. Generally, the newer/fast (class 10) type cards create issues for us. It has to do with the speed of small read/writes. The "safe" zone is to get a class 4 or class 6 card (I run with a 8GB class 6, also a 4GB class 4 - and both haven't given me any issues).
the other issue might be over-clocking. If you're kicking up the CPU speed beyond the 800 MHz, you will start making the system more unstable. If you had an iffy card to begin with, the problem will now seem more aggressive.
You could try reducing your max CPU (settings / cyanogenmod settings / performance / cpu), or replace the SD card with something that falls within the NCs stable range (class 4 is a good point to start with).
I've also found that the NC can have a poorly seated SD card and it cause all kinds of FCs or lockups.
When I do a backup of my SD card with Win32 imager, and then put the SD card back in - there've been 2-3 times where, on bootup, the whole environment just flakes the hell right out. Powering off, and reseating the SD card fixes it right up. So, my guess is my NC has a crappy SD card reader in it, or the seating of the SD cards is fairly sensitive.
You could always try that, too.
Ya. I havent been getting force closes really. Just the lock ups. I'll try a lower setting for the CPU see if that helps. The card that's in this is a like 3 year old 8gb one. I assumed it would be a lower class card. How can one discover what class the card is?
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Ya. I havent been getting force closes really. Just the lock ups. I'll try a lower setting for the CPU see if that helps. The card that's in this is a like 3 year old 8gb one. I assumed it would be a lower class card. How can one discover what class the card is?
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Sometimes on the card, and always on the packaging, is a small C with a number in it. That's the class of it. If it's a few years old, it's probably a class 4, which should be fine.
You're probably running into hiccups with overclocking, would be my next best guess.
Ahh, There it is. Class 4, Yah even after removing the overclocking it still freezes. Hmm.
It may help to get rid of any unused apps. I've had apps from some of my downloading sprees that have caused problems even when not using them. Clearing those first is a good step to finding the one causing the problem. This is just based off my experience.
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It may help to get rid of any unused apps. I've had apps from some of my downloading sprees that have caused problems even when not using them. Clearing those first is a good step to finding the one causing the problem. This is just based off my experience.
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He makes a good point - something in the background may be causing you issues. I'm constantly cleaning house on mine - I'll download a neat app, then hate how much more my battery drains.
Is the card (that you are using) a SanDisk card?
Other brands (Lexor, Transcend, Samsung, Kodak, Toshiba, etc.) are ok for camera, but are not recommended for NC.
I think I finally got it. I did the new nightly CM7 and cleared data, devorac and such. So a full on clean install. And the card is a Kingston. But all probs are fixed looks like now
If I may add my $0.02... I've heard a lot of people say that class 10 cards cause instability and you should use class 4. My experience is the opposite. I started out using a class 4 and although I was excited about having CM7 running on my NC, it was painfully slow. Starting apps took forever. Some weren't even usable because they took so long to load, and even after they were loaded they were still extremely slow. I got FC's all the time. I decided to buy a class 10 card off Amazon (I don't even remember the brand) and it was seriously like night and day. Everything runs so much smoother and faster. Some apps are still kind of slow, like Yahoo Mail, and Facebook, but for the most part the experience has been very positive for me.
I noticed when using "selective focus" in Camera app that phone freezes for about 10 sec. Also when I am using Gallery app, phone freezes when I try to delete picture. Note that I set Camera to store pictures in SD card.
And now phone is not recognizing SD card at all.
My question is, if it is possible that SD card is causing my phone to freeze and if someone had similar problem to please tell me how you fix it?
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I noticed when using "selective focus" in Camera app that phone freezes for about 10 sec. Also when I am using Gallery app, phone freezes when I try to delete picture. Note that I set Camera to store pictures in SD card.
And now phone is not recognizing SD card at all.
My question is, if it is possible that SD card is causing my phone to freeze and if someone had similar problem to please tell me how you fix it?
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We had this issue a while back on LG. Yes if you have a substandard card.
Moving apps and photos and such to a slower substandard card can cause lags in the system believe it or not
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We had this issue a while back on LG. Yes if you have a substandard card.
Moving apps and photos and such to a slower substandard card can cause lags in the system believe it or not
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Thanks for reply, now that my SD card is dead, after removing it from phone, my s8 works perfectly.
A question mr/mrs Mad Scientist: do you use micro SD card on your phone and what class is it?
Also what are your thoughts on SD cards, now that we have phones with bigger storage?
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Thanks for reply, now that my SD card is dead, after removing it from phone, my s8 works perfectly.
A question mr/mrs Mad Scientist: do you use micro SD card on your phone and what class is it?
Also what are your thoughts on SD cards, now that we have phones with bigger storage?
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I did i got a samsung Evo 128 GB class 10 never had any issues out of it.Also had a 32 gb evo before this
I recently came into a jailboken PS Vita So I installed the SD card on it for all my games and no lags their either
But about 45 gb free Im a stickler for free space so I go my bare minimum music i listen too many apps
and what ever else and got like 35 gb free so No issues there
I even use it for download as its fater than my pc normally then just transfer what ever and delete
Most of my photos are backed up on google so no worrys there
So with the increased storage even at a 64 gb model Is more than plenty for my day to day life If it ever runs low Im sure I can clean enough up
But in the past slower or dying cards and such take time to read write if you have moved a bunch of active apps to sd that gets compounded and bottle-necked on read/write speeds Specialy when it comes to videos and big files or games