Hi there,
I have the Back to the Future [XBmod-Yuki] rom with official mango update on my HD2 and I am having problems with multi touch and GPU graphics.
I'll start off with the GPU problem, some games that require the GPU such as "Angry birds", "the impossible game", "fruit ninja" don't run as fast on lets say when i had android flashed to my HD2. I can accept this though as it could be just because WP7 was not made for the HD2 and has not been in development as long as android has.
Now what I can't except is the multi touch problem, pinch to zoom does not work properly on anything and when it does it is jumpy, and in a game like assassins creed or sonic the headchog it does not work at all. If you moving and you press the jump button it seems to forget that you still have your fingur on the move button and you stop in your tracks.
I really hope there is something that can fix this.
Well, it's actually exactly the other way round at the moment
Multitouch is a well known bug and you'll have to accept it at the moment
But the performance should be good enough to run Angry Birds, Fruit Ninja cause they work perfectly fine on mine...
Atm I can't think of any other cause than the sdcard... But have you tried to do some hardresets (or even softresets). Sometimes they can work wonders...
Yeah come to think of it it could be the SD card... Its not slow all the time, most of the time it is only a little slow so it could be when it reads the sd card that it runs slow. The SD card is a class 4 so not all that fast at all. I'll have to get a class 10 me's think.
Thanks anyway
A class 10 card will prolly give you the same or other problems. What you need to do is to try out class 4\6 cards untill you get one that works.
Why would a class 10 card have the same problem? There faster and more reliable than class 6.
They are only faster at max throughput, which is used for HD recording and transfers. Higher class cards are usually slower at random access, which is important for applications like those on WP7.
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I know that the Ameo throttles the CPU back (but I'm not happy with having PHM installed all the time, as I don't trust it to properly slow the machine down), but why do so many emulators fail on the Ameo?
Pocket Plus/4 is really, really choppy and unreliable.
Pocket Atari seems to work sometimes, but at other times I get speaker popping and no functional emulator.
Pocket C64 is just useless and doesn't support the keyboard, it seems; and setting up the controls seems to cause fuss for the sound, too.
This is supposed to be a fast machine, so I'm baffled by the apparent slowness when it does run an emulator. Pocket Plus/4 especially drops to 4% speed; I thought the CPU was supposed to catch up to the demand!
And tried with PHM anyway, still no better.
I just tried the exact same installation of Pocket Atari on the Universal with WM6 installed. It's working quite well; I'm currently playing Rescue on Fractalus (XEGS ROM).
Is it a memory management thing, or Microdrive, or something else?
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And tried with PHM anyway, still no better.
I just tried the exact same installation of Pocket Atari on the Universal with WM6 installed. It's working quite well; I'm currently playing Rescue on Fractalus (XEGS ROM).
Is it a memory management thing, or Microdrive, or something else?
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On the Universal you probably installed it to the SD? If so, have you tested it on the SD of the Athena? I also noticed a few slow downs on my Athena and I have a Universal also to compare to. I have to redo my Universal because it's running very slow so I can't compare at the moment. I have read on the forums that users have noticed a performance increase with some WM6 installs. This could be a factor but I also think that the SD card is faster than the microDrive. Try it on the SD if you already haven't and see how it goes.
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On the Universal you probably installed it to the SD? If so, have you tested it on the SD of the Athena? I also noticed a few slow downs on my Athena and I have a Universal also to compare to. I have to redo my Universal because it's running very slow so I can't compare at the moment. I have read on the forums that users have noticed a performance increase with some WM6 installs. This could be a factor but I also think that the SD card is faster than the microDrive. Try it on the SD if you already haven't and see how it goes.
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I don't have a miniSD, I tried it on internal memory (which I'd expect to be fast) with exactly the same results.
Broken Sword demo runs beautifully from Microdrive; maybe a bit of lag on audio. PocketAtari should be less reliant on the Microdrive than any large game.
I definitely think WM6 feels snappier (though my machine did get sluggish; perhaps the memory leak issue mentioned), but there are some WEIRD glitches going on here. One of the most telling things was when messaging popped up; directly before corrupting PocketAtari's screen with a notification, the messaging application's "activation" caused PocketAtari to run at full speed.
I think there must be some CPU "optimisation" going on within the WM5 build on the Ameo, and I don't think PHM actually cured it for me (I tried forcing the CPU fast for PocketAtari, and just forcing the CPU fast overall).
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I don't have a miniSD, I tried it on internal memory (which I'd expect to be fast) with exactly the same results.
Broken Sword demo runs beautifully from Microdrive; maybe a bit of lag on audio. PocketAtari should be less reliant on the Microdrive than any large game.
I definitely think WM6 feels snappier (though my machine did get sluggish; perhaps the memory leak issue mentioned), but there are some WEIRD glitches going on here. One of the most telling things was when messaging popped up; directly before corrupting PocketAtari's screen with a notification, the messaging application's "activation" caused PocketAtari to run at full speed.
I think there must be some CPU "optimisation" going on within the WM5 build on the Ameo, and I don't think PHM actually cured it for me (I tried forcing the CPU fast for PocketAtari, and just forcing the CPU fast overall).
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Wow, sounds like it's a CPU scaling issue indeed. Have you tried to disable the internal scaling using something like PHM? Not allowing it to manage the speeds but just disable the internal system and see what happens.
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Wow, sounds like it's a CPU scaling issue indeed. Have you tried to disable the internal scaling using something like PHM? Not allowing it to manage the speeds but just disable the internal system and see what happens.
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Yep, still choppy as anything. Thing is it appears that if I disable scaling and leave it at that (and don't let Scale Engine run), then it stays at 104MHz! But even running at 624MHz - surely plenty for a 1MHz 6502 machine to be emulated - it's running at 4% speed!
I've been using the hero for about a week now, pretty solidly. At first I was getting annoyed with laggy accelerometer, laggy screen switches, lagg keyboard... last few days it seems like it has sped up hugely. I normally have a few RSS feeds, hi msn, music player, browser, maybe last fm and a few other bits open, especailly yesterday and today have noticed no appreciable slowdown.
So for people who are getting annoyed at sense, give it a week. I think dealing with a slightly laggy phone for a few days is a decent enough tradeoff for eventually getting a fast one, that still has the joys of sense.
Does anyone have any idea why it gets faster? Could it be a mechanism similair to windows superfetch, or perhaps some kind of self-optimising code? Or just psychological Whatever is it, I no longer get those little flashes of annoyance with the thing.
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Or just psychological .
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It will be this.
Cheers, I feel enlightened.
I personally suspect there's some kind of profiling/prefetching going on in android, maybe based around the preload daemon.
Did you change to a class 6 microSD card? I have heard that android maintains a swap file on it and everything works better with a class 6 card rather than the slower class 4 one supplied in the box.
Just a thought...
I've been using a Class 6 card since i started using the hero and i haven't noticed any lag at all. For those who are experiencing lag, is you handset unbranded?
Hm. My UI actually slowed down instead of speeding up. This especially after I rooted the Hero and installed Chinese IME. Might also come from the fact that the number of apps on my phone keeps growing and growing...
I'm white unbranded (beautiful...) and there's quite literally no lag anymore. You know the bit where you type and get ahead of the keyboard? Stopped happening on tuesday.
Man and machine in perfect harmony
I've also experienced some terrible lag on the keyboard and am hoping that what you report is correct. I should also be getting my 8 gb micro sdhc card today or tomorrow (class 6) so hopefully that will speed things up a little also. I'll let you guys know how It goes.
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I've also experienced some terrible lag on the keyboard and am hoping that what you report is correct. I should also be getting my 8 gb micro sdhc card today or tomorrow (class 6) so hopefully that will speed things up a little also. I'll let you guys know how It goes.
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How do you indentity the class of the sd card? is there a code printed on it?
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How do you indentity the class of the sd card? is there a code printed on it?
Mansn, i've PM'ed you, check your message inbox.
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Depends, some cards there is a number in the top right corner, others just don't have anything. There is a program for the PC when you put the memory card in a card ready which will assess its speed, just can't remember what its called.
Mine is lagging as much as it was on the first day. I'm curious about the class6 sd. Maybe it's a solution. Thank you for keeping in touch about that
My keyboard has slowed back down again It's started lagging and selecting the alt-key at least once a text message. The rest of it seems to have slowed back down aswell. I'm going to try work out what's doing this, at the moment the two new apps I've used are Peep and imeem.
I believe I have an 8gig class6 sd. Might be class4.
Using a class 2, 4 or 6 won't speed up the UI since it's on the main memory not on the card.
I have a class6 and it is laggy
Whilst most of my experience with the Hero has been lagged it just seems to get worse day after day.
The keyboard for example which I loved at first has become quite appalling to use now, I mean i've never been a fast typer on virtual keyboards but I feel now that with the keyboard as it is now on my phone is actually slowing me down further!
The phone slows down a little for me to from time to time. I just reboot it and it is real fast again. Also I'm hoping that the Class 6 Transcend card will give a noticeable boost.
Klling peep really seems to help. It does seem like a good amount of the HTC software has lots of room for improvement, but it makes the phone so much nicer to use than standard android. Hopefully we'll get an update soon.
why don't the apps just close when you shut them? ok i understand peep and mail... still running as it updates at intervals but i had 10 apps running last night, albums, video player, barcode scanner, google maps, doggcatcher and more, the phone was almost unuseable.
i know mine has speeded back up after i uninstaled a few apps.
Locale seemed to really slow mine down, Peep does as well, and astrid kept causing the home button bug.
Since i got rid of those, it is a whole heap better.
mm i use astrid, what is the home screen bug? do use any other app in its place?
hadn't even started using it to be honest. got it as a plug in for locale so i could have GPS based reminders, but didn't get a chance to try it out.
basically the bug is in a few other threads, where once you hold the home key to view recent apps, it unlocks the binding to touchflo and it asks whether you want to use touchflo or the base android homescreen.
stopped as soon as i uninstalled astrid. also happens with Task Manager by Wing Shen. but that is another thread....
Hi All,
I was wondering if someone who has added an SD card to their Focus could comment on the performance of it with it in and with it out.
Maybe a video of before and after showing a game loading or just a general comment on what they've noticed?
Thanks very much and looking forward to your responses!
Jonno
I got my Focus yesterday. Played with it all afternoon and evening. I already had a 16GB Sandisk class 2 card which is listed as compatible, so I went ahead and installed it.
Set everything back up and played with it some more, plus this morning. I've noticed no slowdowns or lagginess of any kind. I've got 22GB free after the install. Also tried the tethering and it worked great.
FYI: I did order the 16GB Kingston class 4 card, but didn't want to wait for it. I'll put that one in my old phone.
Verdict: very happy!
Thanks very much!
I saw a video just now with someone who had added a SD card to their Focus and it still outperformed the HD7. BUT, it was relatively empty (< 2 GB of storage used) which means that it is possible that more of the data was on the NAND memory than on the SD Card.
It would be interesting to see someone install an app without the card in and run it to see how long it takes, then add a card and install the same app and time it, and then fill up the card with media and THEN install the app (once the storage is almost full) and then time it.
May take some time but should be worth it in the end .
I know the data is supposed to be spread across any of the storage facilities available but we're not sure how it is done (simply filling it up, striping the data).
Yes, that's video was unfair, need a full data card to test, waiting
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Jonno2343 said:
Hi All,
I was wondering if someone who has added an SD card to their Focus could comment on the performance of it with it in and with it out.
Maybe a video of before and after showing a game loading or just a general comment on what they've noticed?
Thanks very much and looking forward to your responses!
Jonno
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I ran for a week without an SD card and encountered many of the same issues reported (app hang/crash, marketplace lag/hang). I had to reboot a couple times my first week for one reason or another.
I've since added a class 2 sandisk 8gb and do not notice any difference, performance or otherwise. Incidently I have not had to reboot since I added memory. I have rebooted it once only verify the data was still there after reset.
Hope this helps,
I tested my coworker's Focus vs mine. He had a 16GB Sandisk class 2 card with >8gb of data. I had no card with ~7GB of data. I launched ilomilo on each phone about the same time. They finished pretty much at the same time.
I'll second the above, I've noticed no difference between having a card and not having a card except for the amount of storage available. I'm not saying there's no difference, I'm saying I've noticed no difference so I didn't bother measuring. Programs load and run at the same speed either way, media loads and plays at the same speed...no difference.
Guess I should add that mine is an 8GB Sandisk class 2 card. No problems whatsoever as far as speed, rebooting or anything else.
In my opinion, the best type of test would be a stock Focus vs a Focus with an added micro sd card with the phone+card loaded to the max with content.
I will test this and report back. I have a Focus stock and my wife has one with a 16GB Sandisk Class 2 card in it. I'll load it up and see if there is a difference over the weekend.
My Focus with no memory card has not crashed in the marketplace yet, my wife's does a lot...
Great, thanks very much!
Looking forward to the results.
This is really weird. My first test has one focus with a Class 2 Sandisk 16GB card but only 4.5 GB used total on the phone. The other Focus is stock with no card and about 4.5 GB used also.
Speed tests so far
Stock Focus -
- Marketplace and browsing the catalogs - much faster the first time I tested. after however it was mixed and occasionally the 16GB was quicker.
- People Hub - faster load and browsing.
- Bing Faster load just barely.
Focus+16GB - faster at loading Uverse and Netflix
- Loads Uverse faster
- Loads Netflix a second faster.
Both phones always get back to the main screen at the same speed, weird Also, occassionally the 16GB is slower, then the next test its faster.
I'll load up the card and report back.
The way you should test
Try this place the sd card in then add 9 gb of music and videos then install the program. I highly doubt the sd cards are causing program and marketplace crashes as I can get those to more noticably with wifi on. Also no one really knows what is running in the background. There is multitasking just not available to 3rd party apps so who knows if we are getting facebook syncs when things act weird. I would suggest not setting any accounts up and power off the phone then power it back on if you want a real comparison. The OS files would run from the NAND so dlls and other files that games and programs use should always run from the NAND but not the program it's self so loading the card with data that fills the nand then installing a program to the sd card would show if there are performance issues.
I've been very curious about this. I have a pny 8gb class 4 in mine. I've been paranoid about performance decreases, but i haven't seen any clear difference. But i would certainly appreciate a video or something confirming that there is no performance decrease, just to settle my paranoia.
When I first bought my Focus it was about a week before I actually installed a SD Card in it. Im using a 8gb Sandisk class 2 right now and have noticed NO difference in performance at all. Its still fast, smooth and runs beautifully. Ill be getting a 16gb Sandisk class 2 card very soon...I would assume that wont change things either....Seems Sandisk is the way to go if you wanna be safe...since Sandisk in used for phone memory by Samsung.
I have the Kingston 32GB card in... no issues what so ever and I have over 15GBs on the card to date. I took the chance and so far *KNOCK-ON-WOOD* nothing has come up
Should be getting a Sandisk 16GB Class 10 soon, will update.
Running CM7 last "stable" from SD card & it has been working fine. Using Zeam launcher.
After a few days of not using it & it being charged, when I start it, I first get notices "Problem loading widget" at all 4 locations on screen. Then I start seeing FCs for a bunch of apps that I haven't launched. Gmail, YouTube, FBReader etc. Also, almost every app I launch gets FC. Market works though??
I next updated to the latest Nightly 87 & it is the same. Over a period of time I see FCs for many apps that I haven't launched. What should I reload to get back to a functional device, 'cause right now it's not uneable??
Thanks,
kev
Update: It appears that un & reinstalling all offending apps has solved the problem. Not sure if I have any other issues that are linked to whatever happened, but I will give it a workout.
I like the graphic when it goes to sleep! Or is that not intentional & a bug? Talking about the video collapsing into a vertical line before going dark. Very retro.
I'm still using 7.0.3 (stable) but have encountered the same thing. I keep on adding widgets every now and then because of the issue. I also have more FCs now than usual. It was running fine for more than a week or so. I just want it to be stable...
Another day into it, and it's getting worse. I have to reboot every time I try to do something because of FC for mostly all the apps I try to run. I try to run, say Aldiko, it will crash. So I reboot then it's ok. I'll try to run another app, it will also crash so the cycle goes on and on. I'd hate to re-flash and do everything again but it doesn't seem to give me any choice.
I have the same issue, I started turning off features and its running better now.
Im running on a transend 16gb HC class 10 (nook/encore) if that makes any difference. I to just want it to work....
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I have the same issue, I started turning off features and its running better now.
Im running on a transend 16gb HC class 10 (nook/encore) if that makes any difference. I to just want it to work....
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It more than likeyly is your issue... test on a cheap sandisk class 2, 4 or 6 card and see the difference.
The issue is that higher class cards have high sustained thru put... but are much slower in small reads/writes... and that is what our devices are doing. lower class cards tend to have very high small read/write speeds... but do not have high sustained large read/writes.
Hope this makes sense.
Bottom line... hard to beat cheap and readily available sandisk uSD's for our devices.
Yup, and they need to be sandisk branded in particular.
I have cheap class 2 drives that are nonbranded oem stuff and they cause fc's also.
So my suggestion is sandisk branded.
My NC locks up/ freezes semi often. Usually like 2-3 times an hour. Restarting always fixes it but its crazy frustrating. It did it on phiremod and on cm7. Right now I'm on Cm7 nightly 108 and dagrins oc newest. It freezes are random times and while using any number of apps. I can not find a common thread. Any thoughts or suggestions? Also imrunning from internal memory and I have an 8gb storage card.
The most common reason for having FCs in the NC is due to the SD card. Generally, the newer/fast (class 10) type cards create issues for us. It has to do with the speed of small read/writes. The "safe" zone is to get a class 4 or class 6 card (I run with a 8GB class 6, also a 4GB class 4 - and both haven't given me any issues).
the other issue might be over-clocking. If you're kicking up the CPU speed beyond the 800 MHz, you will start making the system more unstable. If you had an iffy card to begin with, the problem will now seem more aggressive.
You could try reducing your max CPU (settings / cyanogenmod settings / performance / cpu), or replace the SD card with something that falls within the NCs stable range (class 4 is a good point to start with).
I've also found that the NC can have a poorly seated SD card and it cause all kinds of FCs or lockups.
When I do a backup of my SD card with Win32 imager, and then put the SD card back in - there've been 2-3 times where, on bootup, the whole environment just flakes the hell right out. Powering off, and reseating the SD card fixes it right up. So, my guess is my NC has a crappy SD card reader in it, or the seating of the SD cards is fairly sensitive.
You could always try that, too.
Ya. I havent been getting force closes really. Just the lock ups. I'll try a lower setting for the CPU see if that helps. The card that's in this is a like 3 year old 8gb one. I assumed it would be a lower class card. How can one discover what class the card is?
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Ya. I havent been getting force closes really. Just the lock ups. I'll try a lower setting for the CPU see if that helps. The card that's in this is a like 3 year old 8gb one. I assumed it would be a lower class card. How can one discover what class the card is?
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Sometimes on the card, and always on the packaging, is a small C with a number in it. That's the class of it. If it's a few years old, it's probably a class 4, which should be fine.
You're probably running into hiccups with overclocking, would be my next best guess.
Ahh, There it is. Class 4, Yah even after removing the overclocking it still freezes. Hmm.
It may help to get rid of any unused apps. I've had apps from some of my downloading sprees that have caused problems even when not using them. Clearing those first is a good step to finding the one causing the problem. This is just based off my experience.
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It may help to get rid of any unused apps. I've had apps from some of my downloading sprees that have caused problems even when not using them. Clearing those first is a good step to finding the one causing the problem. This is just based off my experience.
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He makes a good point - something in the background may be causing you issues. I'm constantly cleaning house on mine - I'll download a neat app, then hate how much more my battery drains.
Is the card (that you are using) a SanDisk card?
Other brands (Lexor, Transcend, Samsung, Kodak, Toshiba, etc.) are ok for camera, but are not recommended for NC.
I think I finally got it. I did the new nightly CM7 and cleared data, devorac and such. So a full on clean install. And the card is a Kingston. But all probs are fixed looks like now
If I may add my $0.02... I've heard a lot of people say that class 10 cards cause instability and you should use class 4. My experience is the opposite. I started out using a class 4 and although I was excited about having CM7 running on my NC, it was painfully slow. Starting apps took forever. Some weren't even usable because they took so long to load, and even after they were loaded they were still extremely slow. I got FC's all the time. I decided to buy a class 10 card off Amazon (I don't even remember the brand) and it was seriously like night and day. Everything runs so much smoother and faster. Some apps are still kind of slow, like Yahoo Mail, and Facebook, but for the most part the experience has been very positive for me.