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Ok perhaps this might be a question that may not be hontestly answered but, in any case I'm going to replace my sony T610 and palm E2 with one single device. Either the HTC magician (128mb) or Wizard. : D
On the wizard I like the wifi, keyboard, edge, not sure about mobile 5. On the magician I like the smaller form factor, speed, standard sd card, price.
I read in mobile review.com that the performance is not so top with the TI processor turning at 200mhz instead of 416mhz of the magician.
http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/review/htc-wizard-en.shtml
So whats your honest opinion, any regrets, are the benchmark tests correct, whats your real life experiences? or too early to tell........... :?
A good question to ask is, do you really need that top performance ? Do you want a device that has good battery life and does the job with good speed 99% of the time, or something that runs out of battery faster but can display one extra line of text 1/100 of a second faster ?
i had the qtek s110, and replaced it with the imate k-jam and could not be happier.
because of the type of processor the mhz is not as important as it may seem.
i use tomtom navigator 5 and it starts much more quickly than it did before, and i can be listening to mp3's and un-install programs without any dropout from the music.
may seem strange examples but they both should me things were better.
also the keyboard is great for me, as i am too lazy to take the pointer out of the unit to type with.
there are teathing problems but that is our fault for being so impatiant
ok, you have a point about that. but what about video playback with TCMP? in the review, the results were poor. It seems my Tungsten E2 has similar results and thats one of the main reasons that i'm changing it, poor video performance.
In the video index test it placed dead last, and almost last for the pocket quake test. Whats your take? Have you been able to get better results?
I've had my MDA Vario (k-jam) for around 12 hours, and i'm so far not impressed.
Video playback is poopants. (Through TCMP and WMP)
You have to perform some voodoo finger juggling to type
I can't get pocketLAN to browse any more than one folder deep on my PC. (this could be a WM5 related issue though, as my MDAc worked fine doing this)
I cant stream any files what so ever. (WMP says 'parameter incorrect' TCMP says 'file not found')
Lets hope i'm blessed with a little more patience tomorrow.
Hi Mogwai,
I had a QtekS100 and an S110 before my Qtek9100. What do I think ? Very nice tool. It's much better than all the other Qtek I had before. Small, great batterie life, keyboard (very cool for SMS or e-mails), all the possible connections (exept UMTS ). However, I have two complains, first, the processor speed, I would really prefer to have a faster processor (It's connected to my laptop almost all the day, so stand by is not a problem for me), Mobile Navigon is not working properly on it... it's a shame I liked my GPS. Then, my second complain is about memory. It would be better with more memory. I'm used to install plenty of 3rd party softwares and it seems that the memory is fast full......
Concerning the movies, I have some on a storage card... it's nice but don't expect to have DVD quality.
To be honest, if the Qtek 9000 has the same quality without these two "problems", I will go for it :lol:
Mav
Hi Mav,
Thanks for your input. Really dont know why HTC did not put the intel 416mhz processor in the wizard, even if it cpu speed was downgraded. If this is truly a replacement for the magician why leave out something as important as performance for battery life?
I saw the pics of the HTC prophet floating around and it claims to have the intel processor with all the features of the wizard less the keyboard and the magician form factor, THAT would be the phone to have, but not sure if its coming out any time soon, or if it really a new model!
As I am new to ppc's is the wifi surfing experience anything related to surfing on a pc?
mogwai
OK Further to my experience yesterday, i have this to add.
This device (MDA Vario) is so unstable, its unreal.
If i start to stream radio over the 'net through WiFi then do anything else, the audio skips. The loaded MSN, audio skips, stops. device hangs.
Battery Out.
The amount of times i've had to pop the battery in the space of 24 hours is insane.
I'm very very tempted to use my '7 day cooling off period' with T-Mobile, and send the phone back.
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ok, you have a point about that. but what about video playback with TCMP? in the review, the results were poor. It seems my Tungsten E2 has similar results and thats one of the main reasons that i'm changing it, poor video performance.
In the video index test it placed dead last, and almost last for the pocket quake test. Whats your take? Have you been able to get better results?
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not tried quake, and video playback is ok but not a main requirement for me so i'm not so bothered.
one thing i forgot to say between the two, is wifi is great for me and of course the s110 or other versions of it do not have wifi.
Whats not stable the OS? or perhaps there is not enough juice to keep the apps running at the same time. Hope its not an issue with this model. So far leaning towards the wizard, but there may be the S200 or prophet out soon, beginnnig 2006, which seems to have it all! except the keyboard.
Mogwai,
I'm not sure if it's me or not.
I've come from the MDA compact , so maybe i'm expecting too much, but it seems my Vario (k-jam) is very sluggish. I've installed all the apps i used to use on my MDAc.
SPB pocket plus / psshutdownXP / TCMP to name a few...
It's just not performing as well as i hoped.
If i'm on the internet (WiFi), flick out the keyboard do some browsing then flick back and load MSN... it seems to struggle.
I've tried to play videos in TCMP, playback was VERY poor, then the unit hung.
It then seems to get very sluggish and halts.
I can't put up with this every day.
I'm hoping someone will tell me some of the apps i'm using aren't optimised for WM5 and thats the problem.
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I've tried to play videos in TCMP, playback was VERY poor, then the unit hung. I'm hoping someone will tell me some of the apps i'm using aren't optimised for WM5 and thats the problem.
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I'm also an MDA Vario owner and while not having all the apps installed that you have, I can confirm that TCMP playback is absolutely fine on my phone.
I don't have a lot of extras installed except for MS Voice Command, Total Commander, PHM Registry Editor and TCMP.
So I guess it's one of your 3rd party apps hogging the CPU. Also, did the soft reset button not work (instead of pulling the battery out in an earlier post).
Cheers,
Andy
Andy, were you playing the file from the phone storage or from an SD card? I was playing from the phone memory, having not bought a card yet.
As a side note, i've taken SPB pocket plus off there which helped a bit, it does seem less sluggish.... and if i'm honest Andy, i didn't know about the softreset button! :roll:
I'll test playback again.
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Andy, were you playing the file from the phone storage or from an SD card? I was playing from the phone memory, having not bought a card yet.
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From an SD card (1GB Sandisk if that helps)
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As a side note, i've taken SPB pocket plus off there which helped a bit, it does seem less sluggish....
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Glad I haven't tried using that app then - I might have just thought the phone was crap
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and if i'm honest Andy, i didn't know about the softreset button! :roll:
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
I do wonder if there's more to come from TCPMP yet, too: I don't know if the OMAP 850 2D graphics accelerator is supported natively, and if it isn't then it should be possible to push the graphics faster...
So far, I like the device with the caveat that activesync refuses to work with Symantec Security Agent. (Getting rid of that and using Windows Firewall poses no problems...)
I tried my "standard" pocket video test today, the matrix revolution trailer. Average speed in TCPMP 0.7 was 139.32%, 33.44 fps, 571kbit/s from a 24 fps 410kbps file.
Seems to work well
chiark,
Could you try and play that file again from the phone storage?
Video playback on my device (from internal storage) is just hopeless
That is from internal storage - I don't (yet) have a mini-sd card...
Just in case it's something to do with the file, here's the file I use:
http://www.pocketmatrix.com/multimedia/downloads/matrix-rev.ogm
As soon as I get a mini-sd card, I'll benchmark that too to see if it makes a difference.
Are you using TCPMP 0.70?
gazzrenn, I've downloaded this Matrix trailer and run it offf my 1GB miniSD card and it runs perfectly (and is actually quite a good demo of fast moving video on the phone - thanks for the link chiark).
Cheers,
Andy
Sorry, I just noticed you also posted benchmark results. I've done likewise from my miniSD card:
Average speed in TCPMP 0.66 was 142.09%, 34.10 fps, 582kbit/s from a 24 fps 410kbps file.
PocketHack Master V4 is now out with Tytn support. Be warned that at it's highest setting of 440mhz i had to HARD reset my device.... Must start at a lower speed next time and work my way up!
I'm still in the middle of restoring!!
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PocketHack Master V4 is now out with Tytn support. Be warned that at it's highest setting of 440mhz i had to HARD reset my device.... Must start at a lower speed next time and work my way up!
I'm still in the middle of restoring!!
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have you found a need to overclock the device then...., might works fine for what I use it for
Thanks for pointing this out... I updated the FAQs on the wiki.
It automatically scales the processor voltage onSamsung S3C2440 processors
so does this clock it over 440mhz, because an extra 40mhz doesnt really sound worthy of paying for software, especially when the TyTN is pretty snappy?
So... do you need to stick it in a fridge or anything afterwards?
I think the main idea of using the program is to allow a "super battery saving" mode, by underclocking the device it will use less power....obviously impacting performance-wise but still!
The main reason I wanted PHM was to help render web pages faster. My tytn downloads quicker than the works PC on normal broadband but the pages take longer to 'finalize' the page (i.e.. you can scroll down a page and it's still inserting images). This is a CPU speed issue.
I have finally got to play with PHM and it still needs more work! Just doing a test at tytn's default 400Mhz crashes my phone, never mind higher! I never got much higher than 300Mhz, how strange!!
Hack Master V4 not ready for primetime!
As others have noted, don't waste your time on Hack Master v4. I played with it, only to find it causes crashes, no matter what you do. Also, I found that it caused an incomplete Hard Reset. So, I had to do the manual hard reset twice, to get TYTN working again correctly.
Also, the Wiki should be updated to show there are still problems for anyone wanting to OC the TYTN.
I stupidly tried PHM too, and have just suffered a partial hard reset. Here goes the long and frustrating reinstall...
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I stupidly tried PHM too, and have just suffered a partial hard reset. Here goes the long and frustrating reinstall...
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aren't we allowed to take these people to court? False advertising and damaging my equipment? They must have had enough emails by now and yet the same program is still there advertising the same things, very poor...
We should probably change the title of this thread to say "OVERCLOCKING: DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT..." :idea:
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aren't we allowed to take these people to court? False advertising and damaging my equipment? They must have had enough emails by now and yet the same program is still there advertising the same things, very poor...
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They can get away with it through the fact that they tell you to backup your device before you use the program. Coming from an XDAII where PHM worked perfectly though, I stupidly assumed that the quality of the product would be at least the same or even better after numerous updates.
I'm pretty much set up again now, but I'll certainly be looking at purchasing a backup solution before I put my trust in something like that again.
Don't think about it, even with a backup... While trying to overclock my TyTN smoothly, it's now on the way to service (no more booting at all...)
Gx
Oops ... you should have read this thread before even trying overcloking ...
sorry for ya mate !!!
I find my Jasjam (Hermes) runs very fast and I don't see the point in over clocking it when it runs fast enough normally.
Have XCPU Scaler, in autoscale mode working up to 500mhz, on a cingular 8525 (HERM100), no resets, no problem.
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Also scaled down to 200mhz on the low side for super battery saver.
?Glitch
?Glitch that is amazing not just the speed but the fact that their is no problems!!!!!!!!
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Have XCPU Scaler, in autoscale mode working up to 500mhz, on a cingular 8525 (HERM100), no resets, no problem.
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Also scaled down to 200mhz on the low side for super battery saver.
?Glitch
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you'll be needing one of those new spangly batteries with extra life to cope with a processor increase like that.
@?Glitch: Can you post some screenshots?
That's awesome .. Has anyone else tried this program out? How's it working for you?
I'm using the XCPUScalar with its CPU load based setting.
Normally I set the speed to only 200MHz while on heavy load it speed-up back to 400MHz and 500NHz on very high load.
On day-to-day use it looks like extending the battery life (working on lower clock rate) whiles much quicker route calculation when using the navigation program.
Currently I faced now problem.
I've noticed that when using CPU intensive applications such as games or video, the frame rate drops dramatically while using the touch screen. As soon as I remove the stylus from the touch screen, or when the touch screen receives no input, the speed increases back to "normal". Has anyone else noticed this before? It seems to me like there are still some drivers that need some major updating. I hope the bugs and performance issues will be resolved with this device soon. This device feels underpowered for the hardware is has in it. I'm guessing with some further optimization it will be able to perform much faster (I hope).
BTW, I have the HTC branded version, with ROM version 1.15.405.5
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I've noticed that when using CPU intensive applications such as games or video, the frame rate drops dramatically while using the touch screen. As soon as I remove the stylus from the touch screen, or when the touch screen receives no input, the speed increases back to "normal". Has anyone else noticed this before? It seems to me like there are still some drivers that need some major updating. I hope the bugs and performance issues will be resolved with this device soon. This device feels underpowered for the hardware is has in it. I'm guessing with some further optimization it will be able to perform much faster (I hope).
BTW, I have the HTC branded version, with ROM version 1.15.405.5
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I have the same problem when K-Rally is running.
I've noticed the same problem when playing K-Rally. When I remove the stylus from the screen game run appreciably faster.
Same here guys, but on my Hermes/Tytn which also has the same processor!
Use google and you'll see that some sites recommend that you install these applications that are running slow (Krally for example) on your memory card instead of the main built in memory, and then try it!
I noticed this first when I installed Krally on the Tytn and it seemed slow when using the stylus. On my friends Asus P525 it runs so smooth and fast!
I havent botherd buying a memory card yet as I dont intend to keep the Tytn so therefore I'm unable to test whether or not the above method works.
If you guys can then test it and post your results here.
Thanks.
Guys some bad news,
I've tried installing Krally on a memory card and playing on it but still the problem remains! As soon as you touch the screen with a stylus the game slows down and returns to normal when you remove the stylus!
Not good at all!
DO you have the same problem:
I can't play KRALLY (neither other games as emulated games(mario kart snes)) because i can't push to buttons at the same time. If i'm pushing for example the button to accelerate, once i push a button to turn it stops....That really sucks....When i Had my i-mate JAM i didn't have such problems.
It would be nice to be fixed
use auto-accelerate and auto-turbo... and just directional pad to turn left and right i solved playing like this
Same Problem here! I tried to play PocketQuake and some other games, but every time i use the stylus everything slows down.
But the biggest problem is, when i use the buttons especially the "D-pad" after some pressing of this button (8-10 times) the whole trinity crashes!
Are there people having this problem too?
Maybe someone could test pocketquake too, or test if the dopod rom solves this problem.
Greetings,
Borbosch
Interesting, cpu is going 45% as soon as you touch the screen (see screen capture).
I don't think my previous devices had this "feature", I will check and compare with their behaviour.
We should also check with hermes to see if it's the same.
Can you imagine your PC using half is processing power when you click with the mouse?
meroupow said:
Interesting, cpu is going 45% as soon as you touch the screen (see screen capture).
I don't think my previous devices had this "feature", I will check and compare with their behaviour.
We should also check with hermes to see if it's the same.
Can you imagine your PC using half is processing power when you click with the mouse?
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Yeah, this is quite frustrating. I really hope HTC or whoever is developing new ROMs already know about this issue, because it really needs to be corrected.
I had sent e-mail on support with this issue.
I've noticed that the frame rate slow down dramatically then I run the game (such as K-Rally,Sky Force by INFINITE DREAMS - http://www.idreams.pl/main.php) and use stylus to control the game. As soon as I remove the stylus from the touch screen the image become smooth. This not happen If I use buttons to control the game.
I install the same game to ASUS P525 PDA phone. The frame rate slow down not happen on ASUS P525 then I use stylus to control the game and the game run smooth.
Would you improve this problem or how can I improve it?
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This is the answer:
Regrettably as the seems you mention about are made by a 3rd party, I can't comment on there compatibility with you P3600.
I suggest you refrain from using your Stylus to control them as this affects the frame rate.
If you have any further issues with the software I suggest you contact the software manufacturer.
Thank you for your enquiry, Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/cs_by_phone.html
Best regards,
HTC Support
[email protected]
http://www.htc.com
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So they do not think that this issue their problem.
It is clearly not a problem related to the games. If you mention the games to HTC of course they will say: it's not my fault, it's their fault as everybody tend to do.
It is probably more simple to talk about the cpu consumption when pressing the screen which shouldn't occur and that is slowing down ANY application.
Another email
I'll send an email to HTC about this also to see if we can get a better response. I'll post the reply when I get it.
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Interesting, cpu is going 45% as soon as you touch the screen (see screen capture).
I don't think my previous devices had this "feature", I will check and compare with their behaviour.
We should also check with hermes to see if it's the same.
Can you imagine your PC using half is processing power when you click with the mouse?
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This is indeed a lousy driver. While all other 2.8" HTC devices exhibit this problem in most games, the speed doesn't decrease THIS bad on, say, the HTC Wizard overclocked to 240 MHz and running K-Rally - not even at the standard 195 MHz, where, with the touchscreen constantly pressed, the CPU usage of gwes.exe increases to 17% (measured using the AKU3.2 ROM).
I've also quickly measured the CPU usage increase of gwes.exe (or, for that matter, anything) on my HP iPAQ 2210 (about 0.5% only) and my HTC Universal (no noticable CPU usage increase at all).
All in all, this problem only seems to be acute with the QVGA PPC PE devices of HTC.
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I'll send an email to HTC about this also to see if we can get a better response. I'll post the reply when I get it.
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Great, I'll do it too as from the press; hope I'll receive some useful response.
[email protected] said:
Regrettably as the seems you mention about are made by a 3rd party, I can't comment on there compatibility with you P3600.
I suggest you refrain from using your Stylus to control them as this affects the frame rate.
If you have any further issues with the software I suggest you contact the software manufacturer.
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Yes, the usual, "canned" answer. I'll explain them how the CPU usage can be reliably benchmarked and will also post them my measurement results, which DO slow it's HTC that has a buggy driver, NOT the third-party apps.
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This is indeed a lousy driver. While all other 2.8" HTC devices exhibit this problem in most games, the speed doesn't decrease THIS bad on, say, the HTC Wizard overclocked to 240 MHz and running K-Rally - not even at the standard 195 MHz, where, with the touchscreen constantly pressed, the CPU usage of gwes.exe increases to 17% (measured using the AKU3.2 ROM).
I've also quickly measured the CPU usage increase of gwes.exe (or, for that matter, anything) on my HP iPAQ 2210 (about 0.5% only) and my HTC Universal (no noticable CPU usage increase at all).
All in all, this problem only seems to be acute with the QVGA PPC PE devices of HTC.
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I'e continued benchmarking my other Pocket PC's; neither the Dell Axim x51v (A12 ROM) nor the Fujitsu-Siemens Pocket Loox 720 did exhibit any kind of CPU usage increase with the stylus down.
I'll do the Trinity benchmarks on Monday (unfortunately, I don't own the device, it's my employer's and don't have access to it during the weekends). If it indeed turns out to be resource-hungry, I'll publish an article on the matter, which HTC can surely not ignore any more.
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I'll do the Trinity benchmarks on Monday (unfortunately, I don't own the device, it's my employer's and don't have access to it during the weekends). If it indeed turns out to be resource-hungry, I'll publish an article on the matter, which HTC can surely not ignore any more.
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Thanks Menneisyys, that would be extremely appreciated.
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The answer unfortunately is yes! As mentioned in my first post the Hermes also suffers from this just as bad! I've simply given up playing Krally. All I play now is worms which is playable as its not a speed intensive game.
Its such a shame though, because on my mates asus p525 which is like a year old now, Krally runs so fast
Damn HTC. This will probably be the last HTC product I'm going to own!
Keep us updated and yes doing those tests sounds a pretty good idea.
Dead Cell.
as others, after installing lots of softwares on my ameo, it's running extremely slow nowadays.
I already reduce to keep those software I do require.
can anyone recommend any solution. thx.
I knew this is a general question and try to search in the forum. unfortunately it comes up lots of irrelevant result. :-(
If you're still on wm5, the first thing you should do to improve stability and speed is to upgrade to wm6. For me there was a world of difference.
If you have already upgraded and still find it slow, then one of the things you should rule out is whether or not it is caused by problem in reading and writing to the card or microdrive. Do a few rounds of performance test using Sktools a and are if they are normal still. If there are lost chains or cluster,repair them using pocket mechanics professional. Alternatively,copy the content to pc using wm5torage, reformat the card/drive,and copy them back from pc to card/drive. Redo the sktools performance test to ensure speed has improved. The last time when I had your problem ( soon after my wm6 upgrade), I did this and performance has been very good since then. Oh, I forgot to mention that one of the reasons I experienced sluggishness was due to incorrect formatting parameter for my card. When I format them correctly, speed improved dramatically.
If your MD is very fragmented,you could do what I recommended rather waiting hours and hours for defragmentation to finish.
I also try to install frequently used program in device memory,and seldom used one or very large program such as dictionary on microdrive. I have close about 50 third party software so the device memory isn't enough to hold them all. I find that speed also suffer of i'm low in device memory. So, don't waste it on things you seldom use.
Let's do that and see if speed improves.
thanks for your helpful tips. Eaglesteve. I will follow your hint to speed up my ameo. I am on WM6 arleady. probably as u point out, sw installed on MD is slowing down the device.
Forget to mention that, my device is always running at high cpu load. >90%.
Running at 90% could be a real clue. Have you installed any programs to improve your bluetooth performance?
whatabout device storage memory remaining? If it is critically low it will also prevent program from starting and making them slow. If so, check the size of internet temporary file in windows directory. If needed, go to delete them. I just did for mine and freed up over 50mb of device storage memory!
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Running at 90% could be a real clue. Have you installed any programs to improve your bluetooth performance?
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yes, I am using BTIO
So I've recently bought a Cingular Wizard, and flashed TNT wm6 rom onto it. I installed PocketGnuBoy, and some other games, but I keep running into a problem. After I play for a while, or after my phone has been on for some time, games seem to start to 'skip'. It's really weird, and its still playable, but its extremely annoying. I would assume that someone happens after a while when you have your phone on, but I have no clue what it could be. My guess that it has something to do with activesync, but I can't seem to fix this lagging problem.
By the way, if it helps, I'm using battery status to overclock my processor to 260 mhz.
if i could first comment about your overclocking program...
XCPUScalar has a much better algorithm for overclocking. you should switch.
i tried both programs and XCPUScalar is much more stable. maybe if you tried overclocking using that you wouldn't get the lag.. maybe your processor gets all crazy from the heat of overclocking after some playtime that it can't handle the pressure... to be honest.. you should never overclock to the maximum.. it burns the MOSFETS on the processor.
other than that.. notice that some games eat RAM as they go.. check the ram demand in the beginning and check the change during gameplay..
that's something you can't really overcome.
Well if I'm playing my emulator and it starts to lag, and I exit, it seems like doing everything else or playing any other game will also get the lag. Even if I dump my memory.
ok.. so if it's a function of the time... maybe it IS about the overclocking.
try changing the program and if that doesn't work maybe you should ease up on the pressure.. after all it's a 195Mhz processor and you have a few other programs running.
I don't know. I literally have no other things running while I'm playing, and I still get this problem. The only way to fix it is to soft reset, and then it will run perfectly for 10-20 minutes. I tested it with 195 mhz default, and it still does the same thing.
hmm.. i have no idea then, im sorry
Okay so one thing I've noticed is that every time it starts lagging, the little icon where the keyboard is on your screen pops up. It's not there normally when you first start the program (pocketgnuboy) so when it starts up there is no lag. I'm absolutely sure that this has something to do with it, because of the exact timing of the lag and the appearance of the icon.