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My review of the X10

Here my honest review after a couple week of use, I wont talk about the current update issue to 2.1 or 2.2 since I want to talk about the device in is current state.
Pro
-The design and quality of the device is very good in my opinion, it does fell very solid and simple to use. 9/10
-The screen is great, color, response, size and brightness make this device ideal to watch movie on the go or surf on the web .There is no multi touch so far, but honestly I don’t think it’s an issue, the screen is very responsive and work like a charm. 8/10
-Camera 8.1 megapixel, I was not impress at start, strange flash manner and picture quality not as great as I was expecting. Then I did play with the setting, it made a crazy difference. Picture now are crisp even in low light condition, details are nice and seriously now I can see myself use it as my main camera now. The flash always on don’t really matter, since its only turning on when you are about to take a picture no big deal and it really does help ,since the focus can adjust itself properly with the light already present then. Bottom lines don’t be shy try different setting play with the camera you won’t regret it. 8/10
-Call quality, while not the best is quite acceptable, I can hear people and they can hear me pretty well to even in a noisy environment. It’s certainly not perfect, but still better then most of my previous device.
-Multimedia, the sound quality is great, sound level is decent and with a proper headset will give you a great listening experience. I tried the same Mp3 at 320 kbs with my Sony MDR NC22 on different device, itouch 1 and 2 gen, Iphone 2 gen and my ipod classic, I did not see any difference .Video playback is nice and fluid and will definitely better then the itouch/iphone for the quality of the picture. 8/10
-Application, most of the normal user will find happiness, yes there is an apps for that, you will find apps for stuff you did not even know you could need before. Lots of apps are free or very cheap to buy.
-Connectivity, Nothing crazy there the device perform like it should, Bluetooth, wifi gps is quite standard now on most devices. They work quite well and you can expect them to work the way they should. 7/10
-Keyboard, some people wont like the oem one but in my opinion its not an issue since a dozen alternative exist and the market and you will definitely find one to please you. Swype won me and I would never use anything else now. 8/10
Cons
-Sony Ericson support, luckily you have lots of great online forum to find the help you need, otherwise you will be stuck in some mindless phone conversation and crazy back in forth email. 1/10
-Software update, the blame here is part fault from SE part fault from Carrier let me explain. Major upgrade coming from SE are very few, their road map is very limited so far, still they do make small update to fix most of issue the device have, problem is, most of carrier don’t push these update .Some like Rogers don’t even plan to make these small update available to their user , waiting on the big one to do anything. Carrier is the main issue, even if SE where to release 2.2 on the x10 tomorrow , 80% of the population will still never get it unless they temper their device. 5/10
If you did keep up with my awful French Canadian writing, I can say this: Overall it’s a great device; most of people will be pleased and won’t regret their purchase.
SE did not made any false promises so far, the unit came with lots of great feature and the quality of the hardware definitely will matter more then the Os shortcoming for most user. The rest of the people like me will expect a little more from their device and might feel frustrated to see similar device from other brand doing more with similar spec. I still wish SE to be more proactive and to understand the need of their entire customer, not just the lambda one.
Its all depend of your need and expectation, even with a technically outdated Os the device is quite stable, and unlike other mobile I had in the pass. It’s been on for 7 day now, not a single issue; SE did a pretty good job in that matter.
In a practical view, this device might not be great for game because of the lack of multi touch but as a work phone and multimedia device its definitely is a great contender. More users friendly then the blackberry, can handle heavy load of email, don’t look like a trendy toy like the iphone and still discrete while looking fantastic.

good revieuw! nice to hear sombody who is happy with the device.
instead of the bashing posts...
I'm very happy with my x10 as well, i have the white one.
and the overal experience is same like your's.

Hi. Think you've got it pretty much spot on with the exception of one small point about SE not making false promises... They said over four weeks ago that there would be a software update 2 weeks from then.... And still nothing in the UK. I'm on a factory unbranded handset by the way.
Other than that I'd agree with your thoughts and I too love my new toy!
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im_iceman said:
Hi. Think you've got it pretty much spot on with the exception of one small point about SE not making false promises... They said over four weeks ago that there would be a software update 2 weeks from then.... And still nothing in the UK. I'm on a factory unbranded handset by the way.
Other than that I'd agree with your thoughts and I too love my new toy!
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hey, yeah but thats not SE faulth. they released the .16update.
but in my country (belgium) its also not avaible. don't know why tough.
i have also an unbrandet version.

The .16 update came out ages before they made this announcement.. the update referred to in the announcement is different.. and how can it NOT be SE's fault?>

im_iceman said:
The .16 update came out ages before they made this announcement.. the update referred to in the announcement is different.. and how can it NOT be SE's fault?>
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when SE release a update its possible that the carrier don't wanne release it.
because they don't think people need this... so SE release't the update but some SE user's don't get the update. people go to SE there for
but i taught it was about the .16 update. so my mistake.
i hope the update will come soon then!
and give SE a chanse, they made statments that they will provide plenty off fw update's for the x10. so i trust them, but iff they ditch me now its bye bye SE!

I still wish to fight for the 2.2,still a SE tech told me carrier was a major problem,since they want to test each update before implement them.Therefore most of them to save cost just wait for the big update 2.1 .
I have to be realistic,we wont see 2.2 this year because of this but i do still believe in the petition i started,just the goal have slightly changed,i just want to make sure i will receive the 2.2 .
Still at the end of the day,no matter what SE will do if company like ROGERS continue to screw up their customer nothing will change.

I got my handset from "Phones4U" in the UK and it came unbranded so it should get updates as soon as SE release them.. I think if anyone is really desperate for the updates then unbranding is the way to go..

i am wondering why he review on a forum that only Xperia 10 user would come usually.
It is very simple. For canadian who have no access to American's market (meaning those who don't want to brother buy phones off Ebay or anything else).
Xperia 10 is the best choice around until next year May at least.
Canadian technology catch up at a rate slower then turtles walk across a street.
You are not going to expect iphone 2 nor Evo 4g coming to canada this year to the very least.

Causes most of the user will search online and read quite a bit before buying any device and American market? What the hell are you talking about?
There is quite a choice on the Canadian market; most of carrier carries a good selection of android device.
Last times I check every major city have shop selling unbranded and unlocked unit for people not wishing to buy online……

[Solved]Buy this phone now?... Bought it!!!

Hi,
I got 600$ to spend now for a phone, currently on T-mobile(USA) and my contract is ending this month(can get discounted phone for other 2 years of contract but all phone are ****xxx), and I want Android now as I am seek of WM.
So my question is to buy Xperia X10(considering cons of 1.6 android and no multitouch) or a different phone? Or wait fore some upcoming phones? Anyone got any ideas about this?
Thank you.

I will say buy it.
I bought mine from Taiwan becasue Band 1/4/8 works flawlessly with t-mobile 3g (USA)
And for some reason, some apps like google map perform better than my Nexus one (what the hell?), not just the app response faster but the gps just perform better. It is fater than my N1 when powering up the sat for gps and it will pin point faster than the N1.
timescape and mediascape is cool but I am sure media player is a really personal preference thing.
Camera is awsome with led that will blind you and can manually stays on.
Graphic is good thanks to the Sony screen.
design is beautiful I will say is one of the best looking cel in the market.
Anyway, don't get cold feet becasue of 1.6. This phone is FAST on performance and NO LAG at all.
PS, Sony confirmed X10 will get 2.1 update Q4 as early as Sept.

Re: Buy this phone now?
The x10 is a very nice phone, so definitely look into it. But if you have 600 for an unsubsidized phone, you should definitely consider the nexus one, it gets updates sooner, already has 2.1, will get 2.2 very shortly and will have gingerbread (2.?) By the end of the year, also has the multi touch bonus. But they are both very solid phones, if your happy with standard the x10 is very nice, if you like to mod your phone nexus one is the go
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The x10 is a very nice phone, so definitely look into it. But if you have 600 for an unsubsidized phone, you should definitely consider the nexus one, it gets updates sooner, already has 2.1, will get 2.2 very shortly and will have gingerbread (2.?) By the end of the year, also has the multi touch bonus. But they are both very solid phones, if your happy with standard the x10 is very nice, if you like to mod your phone nexus one is the go
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Go for the Xperia X10, trust me. The only thing it doesn't have is multi-touch, but you can easily live without it. Especially with Sony's one-touch zoom.
Now, since it's getting even closer to getting rooted, you'll be happy with a phone that has good hardware, software, and aesthetics---- and yes, people do judge a phone by it's cover. (a sad lesson I learned with my p990).

Re: Buy this phone now?
Buy it. I sold mine and want to buy it again because I like it so much more than the nexus one. I can say that sony ericsson did a fantastic job customizing 1.6. They really covered up what google left out and later implemented in 2.1.
It's a solid phone. Just look at 2.2 and see if you need any of those changes. Then, browse the forum to read about other people's problems and complaints. Finally, try to go to a local retailer and try out the phones. Ebay has the X10i, which is what you should be looking at, for 525 from a new york seller. You should only buy the nexus from google, since it's the only way to get it for now; retailers have it but mark it up higher than the google price.
Good luck. I hope you find the phone that meets your needs.

I'm also a fellow T-Mobile USA user who has the Xperia X10i who came from a Windows Mobile 6.x phone.
Your best options are likely the Xperia X10i or the Nexus One.
You'll really have to think about the feature set and about what you want in a phone. I'd say the Nexus One is probably a better "all-around" phone if you want to tinker with your phone and always have the latest updates.
If you're looking for a more multimedia focused phone then I think the Xperia X10 is a better bet. It has a larger screen, a superior camera for photos and video, and from what I can tell a better out of the box media experience. Anecdotally, video files that i've created (ripped DVDs and some 720p H.264 clips) work on my phone but don't work on my coworkers' Nexus One and EVO 4Gs. Go figure. We're still trying to figure out why. Just know that with Sony Ericsson, you're going to be a little behind on the updates since they have a custom interface. However, SE does a decent job of filling the gaps and providing a "better" than standard Android Donut (1.6) experience.
Both are solid phones that "just work" and you'll likely never have to "reboot" them as often as you would a WinMo phone.

if you live in a hot country don't buy it. My X10 reboots when i'm outside and temperature is 35 deg. Celsius.
If i'm using navigation it reboots after a while on even lower temperatures. (screen turned on seems to add a lot of heat)

I live in US, San Diego, it gets hot here in summer but I don't think hot weather will be a problem. Check your battery maybe it needs to be replaced.
As about Nexus 1 ...well overall design is too ugly for me. I like good looking phones and specs xD.
I guess I will be heading to LA as soon as I have a day off and check it out, already called one store they say they have it with Tmobile 3g bands.
Could't find any sellers in San Diego.

My vote is firmly in the X10 camp. I've been an HTC fan since their first Winmobile devices were released in 2002-2003(?) but this turned me over. My latest Android phone was a HTC Dream and I was looking at getting the Desire until I had a chance to play around with an X10.
What set this device apart, besides the design and feel, was the screen. Even though the Desire has an OLED the SE screen looked way better. The 4" 16:9 display is great, perfect for watching TV-shows on the go.
The interface can be annoying but I installed the ADW launcher and love it.
If you want a speedy device with tons of "teh sexy" then look no further.

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Seems like the x10 has been rooted too.Definately a good buy.

the X10 got potential. Despite the rooted custom roms or the official updated rom from SE it is a good phone. Although some ppl complains about the issues right now, but it will eventually be solved as time goes by, and the X10 will be really an Kick-ass phone!

Definitely a nice device.When root comes for us, it will be propably the best

Have the phone, how about the update?
Done,
have it in my hands now.
It is a X10i (I am on Tmobile)with .14 firmware.
Quick question for updating with decrypted roms:
Mine says Country: Belgium, Customized. .14 firmware.
So i guess its factory unlocked?
Can I safely update with
X10i - Shipped
WWE_R1FB001---this one....?
Will it brand to the firmwares provider or how it works?
There is no guide and/or explanation about this firmwares and for what phones are they(branded or unbranded/unlocked!?)
Pls anyone would like to update immediately so I can some apps.
Thanks

nj777 said:
Done,
have it in my hands now.
It is a X10i (I am on Tmobile)with .14 firmware.
Quick question for updating with decrypted roms:
Mine says Country: Belgium, Customized. .14 firmware.
So i guess its factory unlocked?
Can I safely update with
X10i - Shipped
WWE_R1FB001---this one....?
Will it brand to the firmwares provider or how it works?
There is no guide and/or explanation about this firmwares and for what phones are they(branded or unbranded/unlocked!?)
Pls anyone would like to update immediately so I can some apps.
Thanks
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Easiest thing to do would be to install SEUS (Sony Ericsson Update Service) and run it. It ought to give you the latest FW available for your phone. If you're still stuck on an old FW after that I'd look into the mods but there's a fair chance you don't have to.
And considering it's ease of use it's a simple thing to just give it a go before investigating further.
HIH

I updated the firmware to .16 with the guide from esato.com and after that i tried the local decrypted rom r1fb001 latest anyway and when tring to flash it would give me some java error like unknown command java - javaflash.jar.
I have java installed.
After all i used Omni tool with their firmware customized and succeded to latest r1fb001.
Thanks anyway.

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Android 4.4.2 KitKat to roll in mid-Q2 for Xperia Tablet Z

Just seen the news on Xperia Blog.
The Xperia Tablet Z could see KitKat in May 2014!

Yeah, right after the Tablet Z2 hits the shelves, so those who can't wait will buy the new one

If i have the money I'll buy the new one
Otherwise I'm happy that the Tablet Z is getting Kit Kat
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Just bought a Z
Pretty happy with it at the moment but I can't believe there is no APP2SD support in stock ROM, hoping we get it in 4.4

jokerni said:
Just bought a Z
Pretty happy with it at the moment but I can't believe there is no APP2SD support in stock ROM, hoping we get it in 4.4
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We won't, google has placed some heavy Sd card restrictions on kit kat
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We won't, google has placed some heavy Sd card restrictions on kit kat
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:/ OK I won't go to official 4.4 then.. Can anyone recommend a stable ROM with APP2SD support?

Xperia Tablet Z 2... screw that... I'm never buying nothing from Sony again. There's no excuse for updates taking this long. As much as I love and baby my tab Z like another child... being in Canada and waiting 6 months for an update is complete BULL... I know its not just Sony's fault, Google is to blame as well. OS FRAGMENTATION issues... thats a laugh... once an update is out these manufacturers should be getting the ball rolling, but they are not. They wait until a new product is in the makes and then they finally do something with the update. Its just not right.
I just don't have enough middle fingers to hold up to those guys. I pay top dollar for a premium product, I expect premium support for that product as well. Otherwise I might as well buy the discount low price no-name piece of hardware that has all the latest technology and latest O/S cause then I can afford to replace it every 6 months to a year instead of expecting support for cutting edge in technology I think will last a few years.

I agree that updates take too damn long but its not only Sony, all manufacturers take ages to roll new updates
Sadly only nexus devices have the privilege of fast updates
But its better to get an update even if late than to get nothing at all, some manufacturers like lg or samsung don't even bother
You might say samsung does update thier devices but the only devices they care to update are the Note and The Galaxy S line, the rest? Stuck in the mud
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KanjiMan1977 said:
Xperia Tablet Z 2... screw that... I'm never buying nothing from Sony again. There's no excuse for updates taking this long. As much as I love and baby my tab Z like another child... being in Canada and waiting 6 months for an update is complete BULL... I know its not just Sony's fault, Google is to blame as well. OS FRAGMENTATION issues... thats a laugh... once an update is out these manufacturers should be getting the ball rolling, but they are not. They wait until a new product is in the makes and then they finally do something with the update. Its just not right.
I just don't have enough middle fingers to hold up to those guys. I pay top dollar for a premium product, I expect premium support for that product as well. Otherwise I might as well buy the discount low price no-name piece of hardware that has all the latest technology and latest O/S cause then I can afford to replace it every 6 months to a year instead of expecting support for cutting edge in technology I think will last a few years.
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I'm curious, other than the Nexus lineup, who would you say offers faster upgrades? Nexus has the benefit of internal Google development being applied when creating the update. Additionally....it also has NO OS MODIFICATIONS. That's one of the biggest hurdles. All the changes to the OS that companies do, require additional development time. That's in addition to any new drivers that have to be created and tested for components that exist in this particular device, that weren't in the Nexus devices.
So what manufacturer besides Sony would you purchase from who does not have that same issue? I ask because you indicate you'd just continually buy new cheaper devices. Even many new launch devices currently do not come with 4.4.2 loaded on them. Those that do, only have been showing up in the last month or so at best, and normally are NOT the cheap models.
We have already received one major update on the Tablet Z. We just received a minor update the other month and are due for another major update within 2 months. Seems relatively quick to me.
4.4.2 launched in December for Nexus devices. Most manufacturers would not want to jump on 4.4 cause they know there'll be quick follow up updates. And 4.4.1 was only a few weeks before that. Most nexus devices didn't have 4.4.2 until late December or early January. It's the end of March now, and we're already targeted to receive the update in May. Granted it could be late May or even June for certain models, but they just recently got 4.3 out there, so they jumped onto 4.4 pretty quickly.
Also, this sentence: " being in Canada and waiting 6 months for an update is complete BULL... " Can you clarify to me what special treatment you are supposed to get since you are in Canada? Are they some type of "mobile OS priority" country?

It's better late than never... I think the update timeline of Sony is fair enough.. 4.1.2, 4.2.2, 4.3 and soon 4.4.2. we have many options for our tatse.. in my part, my concern is how good would be the next update..i hoping for a lesser bugs(bug free would be better) in 4.4.2..that's all..
IOS by the way has an update twice a week. so if anybody here wants a quick/frequent update..IOS is an option..hehehe

It not really the update that matters to me... its the functionality... its like its been rushed and full of bugs... apps that should work proper doesnt (ex: Mx player audio bug; WIFI problems disconnecting every 15-20 minutes when connecting to networks with other streaming apps) New version = fixed problems... but that is not the case. And to the fellow that commenting about me being from canada... well I noticed there are different versions of firmware all over the world... and it seems over here we get the updates last... thats what I was refering to. (311, 312 wifi) Sure they can release updates untill the cows come home... but if they are not fixing the problems that are currently on the device.. it dont mean crap.

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It not really the update that matters to me... its the functionality... its like its been rushed and full of bugs... apps that should work proper doesnt (ex: Mx player audio bug; WIFI problems disconnecting every 15-20 minutes when connecting to networks with other streaming apps) New version = fixed problems... but that is not the case. And to the fellow that commenting about me being from canada... well I noticed there are different versions of firmware all over the world... and it seems over here we get the updates last... thats what I was refering to. (311, 312 wifi) Sure they can release updates untill the cows come home... but if they are not fixing the problems that are currently on the device.. it dont mean crap.
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First thing first: I use MX Player I don't have any audio problems. No WiFi problems also.
About the Canada thing, believe me, Brazil takes even more time. But, that's isn't Sony fault. I mean, they don't put a World Map, play Darts with it, and the updates rolls out in order that the countries are hit. I don't know exactly the reason, but there is one. It is normally staged rollout. If there are problems, they can know already about it and start working. At least the number of people with the problem will be lower.
There are no different fw versions all over the world. There is .101 for LTE models, and .109 for WiFi models. The difference relies on country related crap built in. Last but not least, you can always grab a ftf and flash the fw yourself if you want.
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KanjiMan1977 said:
It not really the update that matters to me... its the functionality... its like its been rushed and full of bugs... apps that should work proper doesnt (ex: Mx player audio bug; WIFI problems disconnecting every 15-20 minutes when connecting to networks with other streaming apps) New version = fixed problems... but that is not the case. And to the fellow that commenting about me being from canada... well I noticed there are different versions of firmware all over the world... and it seems over here we get the updates last... thats what I was refering to. (311, 312 wifi) Sure they can release updates untill the cows come home... but if they are not fixing the problems that are currently on the device.. it dont mean crap.
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As previously stated, while the two issues you mention are something others experience, "most" owners are not having those issues. Yes, MOST people do not have those issues. Only the small percentage that are vocal on the boards and a few others. I'm not trying to diminish your experience, but while I'm sure it's frustrating, I don't think it's probably Sony's top priority with only a minority having these issues.
That said, I just wouldn't slam Sony overall for it, but if it leaves a bad taste in your mouth that's fine. Honestly, with how new this technology still is, to thing that the devices being produced are already at this quality level, with less than 5-6 years of legacy production on most of them, is pretty impressive.

Ever heard of AOSP?
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KanjiMan1977 said:
It not really the update that matters to me... its the functionality... its like its been rushed and full of bugs...
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THIS Quote right here sums it up...
You want a better OS? Either have patience, or go unlock bootloaders and load AOSP Google Nexus OS. Better "functionality"? Well WAIT for Sony developers instead of "RUSHING" them, then you wont find "full of bugs..."
See, we are so spoiled, we all want, NOW NOW NOW NOW NAAAAOOOO.
How about changing pace? Be patient. Seriously, i mean other than companies like SONY (Who actually LOVE AND ENCOURAGE THE DEV WORLD) actually puts out great product. I'm not trying to bash on Samsung and all, but I would rather be with Sony Products than Samsung or HTC that likes to "scrimp" on hardwares and "overcharge" the masses.
Here's the kicker.... THEY DON'T "LOVE" or "ENCOURAGE" DEVELOPERS WORLD. Example, Samsung started to lock down their stuff with SELinux and Knox, even circuit electric locking your phone. (Means that it locks you out permanently and will brick you phone if you try to downgrade, or such. I forgot the actual wording.)
So, really, have more patience in this world.
I know I do. I haven't upgraded, just because mine is PERFECTLY working the way I want it. WiFi works, it's not botchy like some, still on 4.1.2, loaded XMB, casting great on my tv, and rooted. Plus even loaded the dual recovery. Not bootloader unlocked. And I even did that patch to make the rebooting stop while i take out the bloat, WHICH amazingly enough, the bloat was LESS THAN WHAT I HAD IN MY SAMSUNG S3 PHONE. I mean, WAY LESS.
Oh, I have both N7 and N10, (Yes, i'm spoiled), and both stock, ran against my Z Tab, and Antutu scored way higher than both Nexus 7 or the 10. I made both Nexuses barebones, no google, and ran Antu, and still my Sony topped them.
BE GREAT FULL THAT YOU HAVE A FUNCTIONING DEVICE
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KanjiMan1977 said:
Xperia Tablet Z 2... screw that... I'm never buying nothing from Sony again. There's no excuse for updates taking this long. As much as I love and baby my tab Z like another child... being in Canada and waiting 6 months for an update is complete BULL... I know its not just Sony's fault, Google is to blame as well. OS FRAGMENTATION issues... thats a laugh... once an update is out these manufacturers should be getting the ball rolling, but they are not. They wait until a new product is in the makes and then they finally do something with the update. Its just not right.
I just don't have enough middle fingers to hold up to those guys. I pay top dollar for a premium product, I expect premium support for that product as well. Otherwise I might as well buy the discount low price no-name piece of hardware that has all the latest technology and latest O/S cause then I can afford to replace it every 6 months to a year instead of expecting support for cutting edge in technology I think will last a few years.
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Even if you where correct about Sony taking long to come with updates which I don't think they are compared to others. We get the update and is it not better to get a stable update with apps updated aswell rather than a rushed update. Yes I can't wait for the update as well but after all will it really make that big of a difference that having to wait a bit longer is a huge problem?

RochiWizz said:
Even if you where correct about Sony taking long to come with updates which I don't think they are compared to others. We get the update and is it not better to get a stable update with apps updated aswell rather than a rushed update. Yes I can't wait for the update as well but after all will it really make that big of a difference that having to wait a bit longer is a huge problem?
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A huge international company like Sony, you would think they would have a huge development team for android devices since they have made quite a few already, should be able to keep up with the new versions of android as they come out (meaning a month or two after its release). Not just Sony but all the major brands. They are practically given the complete code to begin with, so pretty much just have to update all their bloat.
tullnd said:
As previously stated, while the two issues you mention are something others experience, "most" owners are not having those issues. Yes, MOST people do not have those issues. Only the small percentage that are vocal on the boards and a few others. I'm not trying to diminish your experience, but while I'm sure it's frustrating, I don't think it's probably Sony's top priority with only a minority having these issues.
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Actually yes I have these issues that is another reason why it is fustrating. Update after update that doesn't fix the same problems.
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4.4.2 launched in December for Nexus devices. Most manufacturers would not want to jump on 4.4 cause they know there'll be quick follow up updates. And 4.4.1 was only a few weeks before that. Most nexus devices didn't have 4.4.2 until late December or early January. It's the end of March now, and we're already targeted to receive the update in May. Granted it could be late May or even June for certain models, but they just recently got 4.3 out there, so they jumped onto 4.4 pretty quickly.
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So since you know when all the other versions came out... why didn't you mention that 4.3 version we JUST got, was out since mid-late October? (for Nexus)... that would be... what 5 months... a month short of half a year.
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Also, this sentence: " being in Canada and waiting 6 months for an update is complete BULL... " Can you clarify to me what special treatment you are supposed to get since you are in Canada? Are they some type of "mobile OS priority" country?
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Dude I never asked for special treatment... when an update comes out it seems like we are near the end of the lineup a month or two after everyone else. I guess the Brazilian guy understands my greif... cause it does seem like they throw darts at a map sometimes.
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Here's the kicker.... THEY DON'T "LOVE" or "ENCOURAGE" DEVELOPERS WORLD. Example, Samsung started to lock down their stuff with SELinux and Knox, even circuit electric locking your phone. (Means that it locks you out permanently and will brick you phone if you try to downgrade, or such. I forgot the actual wording.)
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Actually you have no clue what you are talking about. I own a Note 3 and it doesn't do any of that... do you even know what KNOX is for? Its for buisness apps that access your companys secure network. (It was a toss up between Note 3 and the z2... and I just didnt like the z2 bezzel it seemed oversized on the top and bottom) And actually they really are not that friendly to the developer world... they just dont want to spend the money to fix every little exploit cause people are going to flash roms and unlock bootloaders, and brick their devices and send them back no matter what they do so they might as well quit an sit back and wait for others to do the work for them. Anyone who has a ps3 or similar products would know what Im talking about.
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Yes I can't wait for the update as well but after all will it really make that big of a difference that having to wait a bit longer is a huge problem?
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Sure... I CAN wait for an update as long as all the previous issues have been addressed and not causing new issues (re: 5 minute shut down, and high battery drain)
But the point I'm actually trying to make is 6 months is too long for an update but no one else here seems notice. All the internet talk about fragmentation issues with all these devices with different android versions. An android version comes out... it shouldnt take more than two months to develop and distribute an update its not like Sony employs one or two people to do this task ( Or HTC or Samsung etc...) The average life span of an android device is a year to two years. (and yes I usually get a new phone pretty close to every year i always try to get the latest and greatest NON APPLE products) But whatever I dont even know if I want Kit Kat after all I have heard, thats the main reason why I havent flashed AOSp or some other rom cause they dont completely work, theres always something that remains broken. When official kit Kat comes out... if it fixes the current issues sure why not.

I will not quote the whole post because it is too long, but... Sony has Ben loosing a lot of money lately, as a whole. Even though Sony Mobile is winning more than losing, the whole company is losing. And, no, they don't have a huge team of developers to take care of that.
Until Sony bought the Sony Ericsson joint venture, all of Sony smartphone development (both hardware and software) was done in Sony Ericsson hoke country. After Sony bought it, they decided to slowly shift both software and hardware development to Sony Japan. That caused a whole huge mess...
Even though Sony Japan had enough manwork, they weren't talented as the software developers from the old SE. They had transfered the 4.1.2 update for S from SE to Japan. Japan messed up the update pretty bad, and SE team (I just can't remember the country name lol) had to work to fix it, while working on the 4.2.2 for newer devices...
So now they have a relatively small dev team, but a very talented one
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Actually you have no clue what you are talking about. I own a Note 3 and it doesn't do any of that... do you even know what KNOX is for? Its for buisness apps that access your companys secure network. (It was a toss up between Note 3 and the z2... and I just didnt like the z2 bezzel it seemed oversized on the top and bottom) And actually they really are not that friendly to the developer world... they just dont want to spend the money to fix every little exploit cause people are going to flash roms and unlock bootloaders, and brick their devices and send them back no matter what they do so they might as well quit an sit back and wait for others to do the work for them. Anyone who has a ps3 or similar products would know what Im talking about.
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I actually do know what KNOX is. I also do know what i'm talking about. I have Knox on my government phone. And I wasn't talking about having a Z2 or it's damn oversized bezzel, I was just simply stating that Sony has a better handle on the developer world, compared to other companies such as HTC or Samsung. Seriously, do you think they like the idea that you are putting a custom ROM on your Note 3? SELinux = On Note 3 = Enforcing. Knox will monitor if you "tamper" with the Note 3. You change those values, you think they'll HONOR your "bricked" device because you "Unlocked the Bootloaders" and "Customized the ROM"? Try it...
And so, "they are really not that friendly to the developer world".... and Samsung is? Ha. Thanks for giving me the laughs.
I do own a PS3, but i never had to send them back. I'm not sure how "PS3" is actually added in this conversation.

KanjiMan1977 said:
So since you know when all the other versions came out... why didn't you mention that 4.3 version we JUST got, was out since mid-late October? (for Nexus)... that would be... what 5 months... a month short of half a year.
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Strange, I updated my SGP312 to official 4.3 through PC companion app more then 3 months ago...

Is it wise to buy the Sony Xperia SP now?

Is the Sony Xperia SP a good buy at $200. Should I go for it? What do you think?
Also, can you tell me why has the CM11 nightly stopped since 2nd July? This is a bit worrying.

Any suggestions guys? I need it quick please

Yes
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ok no... well, here in Mexico u can get a good SP (no scratch, etc) in about $240 USD so.... doesn't sound bad one for $200.... I think is a good handset right now

scotyard said:
Is the Sony Xperia SP a good buy at $200. Should I go for it? What do you think?
Also, can you tell me why has the CM11 nightly stopped since 2nd July? This is a bit worrying.
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About CM11
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53864061&postcount=1545
Good news
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53914789&postcount=1586

QBerto said:
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ok no... well, here in Mexico u can get a good SP (no scratch, etc) in about $240 USD so.... doesn't sound bad one for $200.... I think is a good handset right now
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Thanks! I am getting an imported piece from ebay. It is being advertised as a brand new item and what not but lets see if it is a fake/refurbished piece. Anyone with previous experience?
knightazura said:
About CM11
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53864061&postcount=1545
Good news
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53914789&postcount=1586
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The first thing I look for in an android device is the Dev community support particularly CynogenMod. I hope they continue to support the Xperia SP for a long time to come. Many thanks for this information knightazura. You're the best!

Dude go for it if its about the price of moto g as over here in dubai xsp is cheaper than moto g and I just bought this unit a few days back and coming from the galaxy s2 and I have to say its very good phone....
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Samsung Galaxy s4 mini is a better option I think..it has cm, It will get official android 4.4 on July, 1.5GB ram..much better colors on screen and a very good front facing camera

Bad thing is that xperia sp will be stuck on 4.3 forever....... But atleast there is cm.
My mom has the galaxy s4 mini and it's very good and better than xperia in many departments... The only ups of xperia is the gpu and resolution.
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SGS4 mini was first choice but it is at least $170 more than the Xperia SP(I got the SP at a discount price of $200). So this puts the S4 mini in a different league altogether.

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SGS4 mini was first choice but it is at least $170 more than the Xperia SP(I got the SP at a discount price of $200). So this puts the S4 mini in a different league altogether.
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What country do you live in? If you have tmobile and you can only get a C5303 then don't,buy this phone cause I learned it the hard way... Payed 60 bucks for 3 gig data and I can only get 2g :/
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What country do you live in? If you have tmobile.in the us and you can only get a C5303 then don't,buy this phone cause I learned it the hard way... Payed 60 bucks for 3 gig data and I can only get 2g :/
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noahvt said:
What country do you live in? If you have tmobile and you can only get a C5303 then don't,buy this phone cause I learned it the hard way... Payed 60 bucks for 3 gig data and I can only get 2g :/
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Only Tmobile USA if you get a XSP there you will always get a C5306 one

Nah.Sony so is a good hand set with decent benchmarks but i am not sure it will get the kitkat update if u r looking forward for it
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I got my xperia sp about 3 months ago. It still is an almost high-end smartphone. To be exact, it's still in the very upper hand of mid-rangers. It can beat up plenty phones in its category, and it's a reliable choise even now. Its processor might be somewhat old, but it's great for multitasking or everything else you'll need. As for graphics, the adreno 320 might be a bit old, but I haven't seen any recent mid-range phones with this g.p.u. except the xperia sp. In other words...it's like it just came out. Buy it and you'll be quite pleased you did. If you want to have kitkat though, there's no information whether this phone will get it or not, so be careful in terms of software.

If you asked me this a week ago I would tell you a straightforward honest no. I was fed up with the tiny problems that always occured and somewhat laggy app responses during use.
But two days ago I got the newest update .205, and everything changed. I finally feel like I got the phone I payed for, and there is nothing I could complain about, really nothing now. It's very smooth and fast in daily use, imidiately responsive, an unbelievable transformation from the former experience I had with it.
$200? Definitely worth it now in my oppinion.

scotyard said:
Is the Sony Xperia SP a good buy at $200. Should I go for it? What do you think?
Also, can you tell me why has the CM11 nightly stopped since 2nd July? This is a bit worrying.
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Definitely
I got the phone for my sister (I own the Xperia ArcS) about 2 weeks ago and it is even better than I imagined. Even the stock rom has very few bloatware compared to older xperia phones, extremely easy to root and with a good amount of RAM and internal memory. Plus it's the only 2013 xperia phone that will probably get the 4.4 kitkat update, If I recall correctly
Definitely worthy to buy, IMO

It's quite encouraging so far looking at the answers.
I'm interested in XSP as well. A few people in the official Sony discussion forum complained about low in-call volume. Hopefully those were some isolated cases. What is the experience of you all?

A big Thank You to you wonderful fellow Xperia SP users for your kind and informative replies. I have bought the phone(Got the C5302) and I love it! It is a very good quality phone for the price.
noahvt said:
What country do you live in? If you have tmobile and you can only get a C5303 then don't,buy this phone cause I learned it the hard way... Payed 60 bucks for 3 gig data and I can only get 2g :/
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I have the C5302 and I can see the H+ in the notification bar which I guess is for HSPA+. I won't be using LTE anyway
Mad Stunner said:
Nah.Sony so is a good hand set with decent benchmarks but i am not sure it will get the kitkat update if u r looking forward for it
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Although 4.3 is good for now, I sure would like to see official update(s). Sony's Timescape UI is the bomb.
|>/\nte said:
I got my xperia sp about 3 months ago. It still is an almost high-end smartphone. To be exact, it's still in the very upper hand of mid-rangers. It can beat up plenty phones in its category, and it's a reliable choise even now. Its processor might be somewhat old, but it's great for multitasking or everything else you'll need. As for graphics, the adreno 320 might be a bit old, but I haven't seen any recent mid-range phones with this g.p.u. except the xperia sp. In other words...it's like it just came out. Buy it and you'll be quite pleased you did. If you want to have kitkat though, there's no information whether this phone will get it or not, so be careful in terms of software.
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I sure am pleased with it! The fact that it is still being officially sold by sony is nice to boot. Talking of the CPU and GPU, I quite like the CPU and the GPU. What I don't particularly like is the amount of RAM in the phone. There have been instances where the launcher takes time to load into memory after I exit a game or a heavy duty app. Not cool
I must admit the official updates bit is worrying but I took the plunge anyway(Yes, I live life on the bleeding edge).
zincir said:
If you asked me this a week ago I would tell you a straightforward honest no. I was fed up with the tiny problems that always occured and somewhat laggy app responses during use.
But two days ago I got the newest update .205, and everything changed. I finally feel like I got the phone I payed for, and there is nothing I could complain about, really nothing now. It's very smooth and fast in daily use, imidiately responsive, an unbelievable transformation from the former experience I had with it.
$200? Definitely worth it now in my oppinion.
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It is great to hear that your problems with the Xperia SP are over!!! As soon as I connected the phone to my wifi, i got notifications of updates and I did not hesitate. I too am on the latest .205 too and just like you, I like it too
DimitrisGate13 said:
Definitely
I got the phone for my sister (I own the Xperia ArcS) about 2 weeks ago and it is even better than I imagined. Even the stock rom has very few bloatware compared to older xperia phones, extremely easy to root and with a good amount of RAM and internal memory. Plus it's the only 2013 xperia phone that will probably get the 4.4 kitkat update, If I recall correctly
Definitely worthy to buy, IMO
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Yea the stock ROM is very fluid and a pleasure to use. I dig it too! The amount of RAM is descent in this price range but a little more wouldn't hurt Rooted and booted too
I read reports that 4.4 was going to come out in June but since it hasn't, maybe they were just rumors unless Sony is lagging behind. I have a gut feeling that Sony will bring the kitkat update to SP before laying it to rest but I feel the SP deserves a lot more.
Need more RAM though for being able to run any future versions of android(Android L and beyond)
wesleywts said:
It's quite encouraging so far looking at the answers.
I'm interested in XSP as well. A few people in the official Sony discussion forum complained about low in-call volume. Hopefully those were some isolated cases. What is the experience of you all?
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By all means, go ahead! It is a wonderful phone to own. It has a great build unlike the Samsungs et al. You must already know about the update bit where Sony will probably stop support after 4.3 JB or a maximum of 4.4 Kitkat. If you are okay with this and a little dearth of RAM, then this is a sweet little device.
But now coming to the serious bit, I am having issues with the auto brightness. I looked it up on the internet and came across many others having this issue too. I tried the Yet another brightness app ftom the playstore but it doesn't work for me either
P.S. Does Sony provide a way to change the settings menu to black color? White is too fancy for my taste

A query. My Xperia SP had this wallpaper on it. Somehow it doesn't feel right. Can someone shed some light on this?
http://imgur.com/E0afP2y
Also, there are no Live wallpapers by Sony on it( I am not sure about the Enchanted Forrest). Is this right?
http://i.imgur.com/atoToAf.png
http://i.imgur.com/hu06ESi.png

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A query. My Xperia SP had this wallpaper on it. Somehow it doesn't feel right. Can someone shed some light on this?
http://imgur.com/E0afP2y
Also, there are no Live wallpapers by Sony on it( I am not sure about the Enchanted Forrest). Is this right?
http://i.imgur.com/atoToAf.png
http://i.imgur.com/hu06ESi.png
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Where did you get the device?
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@scotyard
Just change wallpaper to stock 2013 Xperia wall
Ther is LWP,Magic Forest

To those of you with 4.4.4

I currently have a z2 which I love, but have a few issues with it. I am hoping someone that had a z2 can chime in and let me know if some things have been fixed on 4.4.4 For example, sometimes for no reason whatsoever my wifi wont connect, it wont even enable sometimes. I read that 4.4.4 fixes that. Since the z3 ships with 4.4.4 I was hoping that some of these problems have been solved. Calls on the z2 via speakphone are just plain impossible as well. The other caller hears nothing but echos, with or without noise supression on and trying all the different call settings. The earpiece is also pretty quiet, which can be frustrating in loud environments. I also find that web pages constantly have to reload with google chrome (which drives me insane!!!) and something I think should not be a problem with 3gb of ram. Also whats the deal with the auto brightness barely functioning on the z2? I wake up in the morning and am blinded by pure UV rays coming out of my phone screen, but when I go outside I cant see the screen. Auto brightness does not work well at all for me.
The last nail in the coffin for me is that I only have 16gb of storage and am already maxed out. I have a few big games that hog memory, but all of my media is on my external sd card. Does the z3 have the ability to store apps on the sd card?
I am hoping some of these issues are resolved, otherwise I will have to jump to the nexus, which I am not so sure about. I love my sony phone.

We all dont still have the update yet on our Z2 with 4.4.4 so we cannot said if something is fixed like the small issues, we can know that if we have and running on 4.4.4 !
Sent From My Personal MW Revolution On My Xperia Z2

There's a 4.4.4 leak in the dev section and I was hoping someone grabbed the z3 already.

seh6183 said:
There's a 4.4.4 leak in the dev section and I was hoping someone grabbed the z3 already.
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We saw that already !
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1. alot of these big anoying problems has been resolved by sony in 4.4.4 simply because people complained about them
2. 4.4.4 Isnt even out yet
3. if you think nexus is better for you then go for it, patience is needed sometimes and often with Xperias concidering 2014 has been the roughest year for Sony, losing 2.1 bln and also a huge loss in fans/customers after Z2 release
problems are here and sony is fixing them

Envious_Data said:
3. if you think nexus is better for you then go for it, patience is needed sometimes and often with Xperias concidering 2014 has been the roughest year for Sony, losing 2.1 bln and also a huge loss in fans/customers after Z2 release
problems are here and sony is fixing them
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3. doesn't matter, we got Jerpelea now Sony just needs to get their sh** together on the hardware side and we may look into a bright future!

Envious_Data said:
2014 has been the roughest year for Sony, losing 2.1 bln and also a huge loss in fans/customers after Z2 release
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Indeed 2014 is a rough year for Sony at the moment but Sony get back asap and that for real hard !! ^^
I will and stay a true supporter to Sony for sure
Sent From My Personal MW Revolution On My Xperia Z2

Haldi4803 said:
3. doesn't matter, we got Jerpelea now Sony just needs to get their sh** together on the hardware side and we may look into a bright future!
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well lets hope he sees all our problems in XDA and relays back to the development teams of the stock rom
which seems to be the case
Pandemic said:
Indeed 2014 is a rough year for Sony at the moment but Sony get back asap and that for real hard !! ^^
I will and stay a true supporter to Sony for sure
Sent From My Personal MW Revolution On My Xperia Z2
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Nokia 3310>Nokia N95>Xperia S>Xperia Z2
all my phones ever
never going to any other brand sony is great because our XDA developers are kind and sony continues fighting some how

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sony is great because our XDA developers are kind ......
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Hahahaha you should have been on the X10i Forums in the early days xD
Some ROM cookers even quit XDA and went to other boards because the harassment became to big, everyone was accusing others of stealing their tweaks and insulting others till mods banned all
Those were the days!

Haldi4803 said:
Hahahaha you should have been on the X10i Forums in the early days xD
Some ROM cookers even quit XDA and went to other boards because the harassment became to big, everyone was accusing others of stealing their tweaks and insulting others till mods banned all
Those were the days!
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hmm guess i am being ignorant
there are some people here in XDA being EXTREMLY RUDE!
and some people stealing of course..
i instinctivly ignore bad things for some reason... just had to take a look around without my glasses on.

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Hahahaha you should have been on the X10i Forums in the early days xD
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@Haldi4803
Hmm the good old Xperia X10i days some years ago, then you should know me also, i was working with my brother @Wolfbreak on his rom to fix some stuff with succes and still working and talking with him sometimes,
He is the member that i know as the longest here and then brother @serajr came also 4 almost 5 years ago ^^
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well lets hope he sees all our problems in XDA and relays back to the development teams of the stock rom
which seems to be the case
Nokia 3310>Nokia N95>Xperia S>Xperia Z2
all my phones ever
never going to any other brand sony is great because our XDA developers are kind and sony continues fighting some how
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Well that hope is true and XDA is a great for us Stock Rom modders ^^
Well i never use another brand this are my previous device of Sony (Ericsson)
K500i > K700i >K750i > K800i > K810i > S500i > W580i > W850i
Then came Android:
Xperia: X10i > Neo V > P > Z and now Z2
Sony is always fighting back as we know and smash the other brands into the ground.
Sony is just the best in my eyes !
Sent From My Personal MW Revolution On My Xperia Z2

Using .314 and don't have any issues. No WiFi disconnect, earpiece speakers sounds excellent, great camera. My next phone will definitely be another Sony.
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Pandemic said:
@Haldi4803
Hmm the good old Xperia X10i days some years ago, then you should know me also, i was working with my brother @Wolfbreak on his rom to fix some stuff with succes and still working and talking with him sometimes,
He is the member that i know as the longest here and then brother @serajr came also 4 almost 5 years ago ^^
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@Pandemic
My names memory is somewhat bad.
But I do remember The Wolfbreaks ROMs. He's still alive ? xD greetings to him. And my thanks to you guys for creating such awesome ROMs.
P.S
When everyone is doing it
T68i>S700i>W580>C905>X10i>Z>Z2 xD

Haldi4803 said:
Hahahaha you should have been on the X10i Forums in the early days xD
Some ROM cookers even quit XDA and went to other boards because the harassment became to big, everyone was accusing others of stealing their tweaks and insulting others till mods banned all
Those were the days!
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I think what you meant to say was "those were the dark days "
As for 2014 being a bad one for Sony, well it's hardly surprising when a company makes idiotic choices, they pay a penalty for it. Releasing a new flashship phone every six months was bound to create the sort of confusion that would a) scare some potential customers away
b) piss the hell out of existing customers
c)devalue the brand to the point where it becomes painful purchasing their devices
Sony is an old school company struggling to fully embrace the new world order. Look what's happened to the other old schoolers Nokia, Blackberry, Sony Ericsson. They all failed as commercial entities. Sony bought out Ericsson and we hoped that would usher in a new dawn and philosophy. Things at first seemed promising but they've reverted back to type.
It won't be long at this rate when Sony ends up selling it's mobile division to the Chinese lol! It's failing and something drastic needs to happen. The z4 is looking now like a very important device. Make or break indeed! They really can't afford any screw ups there.
Don't get me wrong they've done Ok at times. The Z was very successful because of the novelty of waterproofing.
The Z2 was top notch but was delayed and by the time it became widely available, rumours of the z3 totally killed off its chances.
In between these two good releases, we had the underwhelming Z1 and the pointless Z3.
"One step forward and two steps backwards " should be written on the tomb stone of Sony mobile if it doesn't survive.
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Sony clearly stated that they are not suffering because of their flagship range. They devalued their low-mid range portfolio by writing off goodwill. It has ZERO relation to the Z series.
It seems the 6 months cycle does work. They've been doing it since 2011 and never had to devalue their flagship range.
a) First time I heard that 6 months cycle "scares" customers. Maybe you solely?
b) As above
c) I don't know whether you're basing this on your perspective or overall customer's. Normal human don't feel pain when buying phones with a 6 months cycle:
-It's a just a phone
-No one changes phone half-yearly
And I don't find Sony selling its mobile division to Chinese companies funny.
Again it's based on your personal perception that the Z1 was underwhelming and Z3 was pointless.
Z2 was targeted at Z users and the Z3 was for Z.
If you do not like Sony, instead of waiting the board space of your rants, go get the Galaxy smartphone. I'm sure the fingerprint sensor is revolutionary and excites you!
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I think what you meant to say was "those were the dark days "
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They were dark, but also great!
The first 60hz hack for the Screen! Or all the attempts on multi touch and 32m color.
And all those brand new 2.2 roms without camera... fully working 1080p fotos xD
But i agree with the 6Month cycle problem.
If i ask around a lot of people have a Iphone6 or a Galaxy S5 because it is something. Everyone knows its good... its a status symbol.
If you have a 6 Months cycle your phone is old! Even if you just bought it. Even if the technical details arent much different.
Btw, hasnt sony mobile written red numbers for a few years now?

But i agree with the 6Month cycle problem.
If i ask around a lot of people have a Iphone6 or a Galaxy S5 because it is something. Everyone knows its good... its a status symbol.
If you have a 6 Months cycle your phone is old! Even if you just bought it. Even if the technical details arent much different.
Btw, hasnt sony mobile written red numbers for a few years now?[/QUOTE]
They actually posted a small profit last year but that was because of the original Z's sales riding high on the waterproof wave! Remember the 5 million units sold in 60 days.
Unfortunately it was a momentum they squandered soon after with the z1. The z2 had a chance of matching and even beating that but delays scuppered its progress.
I'm hopefully they'll have something worthwhile with the z4. Let's just hope they release it early like they did with the Z and not cripple it with rumours following shortly after of another flagship in September.
Sony's running out of time to keep making idiotic mistakes. It's a philosophical thing. There are just some people there at Sony convinced that they can break through doing what they're doing now. I'm sure there'll also be some voices calling for a change in direction. Let's hope those voices get heard. No company can sustain losses indefinitely.
I'm already at the end of my tether and unless I see official word from Sony confirming that the 6 month cycle is no more, I'll be going with the s6 next year. No htc for me, they're just another idiotic company that think metal is the answer to all the world's ills lol.
Having said that, the new oppo with its very slim profile looks delicious but I think I'll pass on that.
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Again it's based on your personal perception that the Z1 was underwhelming and Z3 was pointless.
Z2 was targeted at Z users and the Z3 was for Z.
If you do not like Sony, instead of waiting the board space of your rants, go get the Galaxy smartphone. I'm sure the fingerprint sensor is revolutionary and excites you!
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You must be living under a rock. The Internet is littered with frustration at the 6 month cycle. Be that websites, YouTube, Google plus etc. Again and again you'll find frustration with this policy.
Even Sony execs keep getting challenged every time they do interviews. It's reported that one of them said recently that it was unsustainable.
Not devaluing the brand? Won't even bother answering that.
Yes mine was a rant but it was more logical than the fanboy nonsense you just spouted!
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Your post lack depth. Again, Sony clearly stated that their flagship did not affect their earnings. As simple as that. Either I trust Sony's internal performance auditors or trust you? lol.

lee480 said:
Your post lack depth. Again, Sony clearly stated that their flagship did not affect their earnings. As simple as that. Either I trust Sony's internal performance auditors or trust you? lol.
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http://www.xperiablog.net/2014/10/30/sony-replaces-head-of-mobile-division/
Don't care who you trust. The original Z was the last successful flashship from Sony. They're just trying to blame their failings on the mid range segment to avoid damaging the rep of their flashships.
The problem is ubiquitous! The iPhone 6 sold more in a weekend than the z3 will sell in its entire lifespan! In fact make that two life times!
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Lol trying assert unverified fact from an unreliable person. It's ok, it's normal, go get an iPhone and stop terrorising The Z2 forumz
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