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My review of the X10

Here my honest review after a couple week of use, I wont talk about the current update issue to 2.1 or 2.2 since I want to talk about the device in is current state.
Pro
-The design and quality of the device is very good in my opinion, it does fell very solid and simple to use. 9/10
-The screen is great, color, response, size and brightness make this device ideal to watch movie on the go or surf on the web .There is no multi touch so far, but honestly I don’t think it’s an issue, the screen is very responsive and work like a charm. 8/10
-Camera 8.1 megapixel, I was not impress at start, strange flash manner and picture quality not as great as I was expecting. Then I did play with the setting, it made a crazy difference. Picture now are crisp even in low light condition, details are nice and seriously now I can see myself use it as my main camera now. The flash always on don’t really matter, since its only turning on when you are about to take a picture no big deal and it really does help ,since the focus can adjust itself properly with the light already present then. Bottom lines don’t be shy try different setting play with the camera you won’t regret it. 8/10
-Call quality, while not the best is quite acceptable, I can hear people and they can hear me pretty well to even in a noisy environment. It’s certainly not perfect, but still better then most of my previous device.
-Multimedia, the sound quality is great, sound level is decent and with a proper headset will give you a great listening experience. I tried the same Mp3 at 320 kbs with my Sony MDR NC22 on different device, itouch 1 and 2 gen, Iphone 2 gen and my ipod classic, I did not see any difference .Video playback is nice and fluid and will definitely better then the itouch/iphone for the quality of the picture. 8/10
-Application, most of the normal user will find happiness, yes there is an apps for that, you will find apps for stuff you did not even know you could need before. Lots of apps are free or very cheap to buy.
-Connectivity, Nothing crazy there the device perform like it should, Bluetooth, wifi gps is quite standard now on most devices. They work quite well and you can expect them to work the way they should. 7/10
-Keyboard, some people wont like the oem one but in my opinion its not an issue since a dozen alternative exist and the market and you will definitely find one to please you. Swype won me and I would never use anything else now. 8/10
Cons
-Sony Ericson support, luckily you have lots of great online forum to find the help you need, otherwise you will be stuck in some mindless phone conversation and crazy back in forth email. 1/10
-Software update, the blame here is part fault from SE part fault from Carrier let me explain. Major upgrade coming from SE are very few, their road map is very limited so far, still they do make small update to fix most of issue the device have, problem is, most of carrier don’t push these update .Some like Rogers don’t even plan to make these small update available to their user , waiting on the big one to do anything. Carrier is the main issue, even if SE where to release 2.2 on the x10 tomorrow , 80% of the population will still never get it unless they temper their device. 5/10
If you did keep up with my awful French Canadian writing, I can say this: Overall it’s a great device; most of people will be pleased and won’t regret their purchase.
SE did not made any false promises so far, the unit came with lots of great feature and the quality of the hardware definitely will matter more then the Os shortcoming for most user. The rest of the people like me will expect a little more from their device and might feel frustrated to see similar device from other brand doing more with similar spec. I still wish SE to be more proactive and to understand the need of their entire customer, not just the lambda one.
Its all depend of your need and expectation, even with a technically outdated Os the device is quite stable, and unlike other mobile I had in the pass. It’s been on for 7 day now, not a single issue; SE did a pretty good job in that matter.
In a practical view, this device might not be great for game because of the lack of multi touch but as a work phone and multimedia device its definitely is a great contender. More users friendly then the blackberry, can handle heavy load of email, don’t look like a trendy toy like the iphone and still discrete while looking fantastic.

good revieuw! nice to hear sombody who is happy with the device.
instead of the bashing posts...
I'm very happy with my x10 as well, i have the white one.
and the overal experience is same like your's.

Hi. Think you've got it pretty much spot on with the exception of one small point about SE not making false promises... They said over four weeks ago that there would be a software update 2 weeks from then.... And still nothing in the UK. I'm on a factory unbranded handset by the way.
Other than that I'd agree with your thoughts and I too love my new toy!
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im_iceman said:
Hi. Think you've got it pretty much spot on with the exception of one small point about SE not making false promises... They said over four weeks ago that there would be a software update 2 weeks from then.... And still nothing in the UK. I'm on a factory unbranded handset by the way.
Other than that I'd agree with your thoughts and I too love my new toy!
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hey, yeah but thats not SE faulth. they released the .16update.
but in my country (belgium) its also not avaible. don't know why tough.
i have also an unbrandet version.

The .16 update came out ages before they made this announcement.. the update referred to in the announcement is different.. and how can it NOT be SE's fault?>

im_iceman said:
The .16 update came out ages before they made this announcement.. the update referred to in the announcement is different.. and how can it NOT be SE's fault?>
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when SE release a update its possible that the carrier don't wanne release it.
because they don't think people need this... so SE release't the update but some SE user's don't get the update. people go to SE there for
but i taught it was about the .16 update. so my mistake.
i hope the update will come soon then!
and give SE a chanse, they made statments that they will provide plenty off fw update's for the x10. so i trust them, but iff they ditch me now its bye bye SE!

I still wish to fight for the 2.2,still a SE tech told me carrier was a major problem,since they want to test each update before implement them.Therefore most of them to save cost just wait for the big update 2.1 .
I have to be realistic,we wont see 2.2 this year because of this but i do still believe in the petition i started,just the goal have slightly changed,i just want to make sure i will receive the 2.2 .
Still at the end of the day,no matter what SE will do if company like ROGERS continue to screw up their customer nothing will change.

I got my handset from "Phones4U" in the UK and it came unbranded so it should get updates as soon as SE release them.. I think if anyone is really desperate for the updates then unbranding is the way to go..

i am wondering why he review on a forum that only Xperia 10 user would come usually.
It is very simple. For canadian who have no access to American's market (meaning those who don't want to brother buy phones off Ebay or anything else).
Xperia 10 is the best choice around until next year May at least.
Canadian technology catch up at a rate slower then turtles walk across a street.
You are not going to expect iphone 2 nor Evo 4g coming to canada this year to the very least.

Causes most of the user will search online and read quite a bit before buying any device and American market? What the hell are you talking about?
There is quite a choice on the Canadian market; most of carrier carries a good selection of android device.
Last times I check every major city have shop selling unbranded and unlocked unit for people not wishing to buy online……

Keep it or Switch it.

Hey Guys.
Might be flamed for this, but at this point in time I don´t really care.
Im SO tired of this 1.6 even after the small update and the rooting, im tired of not being able to install programs not supporting 1.6 anymore, tired of not being able to update programs for the same reason.
Tired of not having things like Live wallpaper etc.
When is the 2.1 update comming, and why is it not 2.1, SE is so slow.
The X10 is probarbly the only phone on the marked STILL running 1.6 i mean WTF.
im selling my X10 and getting the HTC Desire, will throw the 2.2 on it, and im sure it will make me more happy
How is it with other X10 users ?

just go ahead. im happy with X10 and waiting for upgrade to 2.1 in my opinion, Desire is too ugly to hold. everyone has different perception of a cellphone. so it is meaningless to ask for others' comment.
Sent from my X10i using XDA App

I wish you all the best and hope you find true happiness.

I guess you haven't been watching the dev forum soooo peace.

You should own what makes you happy. I am frustrated too for SE slowness with updating but nothing out there is as sweet as X10 in looks, comfort, and sexiness to my taste. Not even close. So, I am happy to be stuck with this beast.
Sent from my X10i using XDA App

well, in my opinion, somehow it will be your loss.
1.surely, you'll be missing some features of x10 like the 4" screen that SE have and the 8MP camera.
2. Not all likes to have a live wallpaper (put your picture as a wallpaper they'll know and wonder why you're still aLIVE. KIDDING)
3. there's still loads of good apps that you can download for SE (1.6).
I'm telling you aside from being much faster due to rom (and update available if you want to include) SE looks better.

iom_jack said:
well, in my opinion, somehow it will be your loss.
1.surely, you'll be missing some features of x10 like the 4" screen that SE have and the 8MP camera.
2. Not all likes to have a live wallpaper (put your picture as a wallpaper they'll know and wonder why you're still aLIVE. KIDDING)
3. there's still loads of good apps that you can download for SE (1.6).
I'm telling you aside from being much faster due to rom (and update available if you want to include) SE looks better.
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I Can´t agree with you more m8, the X10 is by far one of the best looking phones out there.
I think the saying goes, Newer Judge A Book By It´s Cover

torzo said:
Tired of not having things like Live wallpaper etc.
When is the 2.1 update comming, and why is it not 2.1, SE is so slow.
The X10 is probarbly the only phone on the marked STILL running 1.6 i mean WTF.
How is it with other X10 users ?
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I can't be bothered to look it up, but...
1) Live wallpaper? Really? That's what you're upset about?
2) I don't think SE has announced several times, on multiple websites and press releases that 2.1 is coming Q3 (around September). They haven't announced it at all.
3) When the X10 was released, several phones were on the market with 2.1. Yet, you knowingly purchased a phone with 1.6. Who is to blame? The company for clearly marketing the phone as 1.6 or the customer who purchased the 1.6 phone, just to ***** about it having 1.6? I'll let you decide that one.
As for me? Best phone I've ever used. Every time I use my friend's iPhone 4, I get happy once I grab my X10. My Blackberry never was this nice. Even my insane high-end Japanese cell phone that I could use as a credit card, train ticket, and television with a 10MP camera, true flash, and HD recording isn't as nice as the X10. I'm happy, and I can certainly wait a month or two for 2.1.

iom_jack said:
well, in my opinion, somehow it will be your loss.
1.surely, you'll be missing some features of x10 like the 4" screen that SE have and the 8MP camera.
2. Not all likes to have a live wallpaper (put your picture as a wallpaper they'll know and wonder why you're still aLIVE. KIDDING)
3. there's still loads of good apps that you can download for SE (1.6).
I'm telling you aside from being much faster due to rom (and update available if you want to include) SE looks better.
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+ Desire is not useable in sunlight

iead1 said:
3) When the X10 was released, several phones were on the market with 2.1. Yet, you knowingly purchased a phone with 1.6. Who is to blame? The company for clearly marketing the phone as 1.6 or the customer who purchased the 1.6 phone, just to ***** about it having 1.6? I'll let you decide that one.
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Haha well said and 2.1 update was to come in Q4, BUT now it's coming in Q3.

Oh great another whaaaaaaaaaaaaa thread!
Good luck with that OP.

Are You Mental...........
Well thats an interesting question, of course its a choice of personal preferance, but just look at the X10...............damn good looking handset, but if superficial attraction isnt your thing then i suggest trying it out, mine does everything i ask of it, used to have battery issues but since i updated to RB020 it isnt a problem, hit the 90 hour mark before needing to plug in for a recharge and that was with moderate usage calls and text and some facebucket, most are complaining about the 3g sucking the battery but i believe they are forgetting that these mobiles arent designed for web fanatics and their social websites, if you want to sit allday on your web get a laptop, as far as on the go communication goes its perfect, and with the update fast approahing it will only get better, the camera is sweet as it gives clear and detailed images, ok the call volume sucks if you are in a noisy enviroment but ive been using my handsfree so no problem, sensititvity is spot on, and of course it looks excellent............

+1 on that Andiiboy

1. Im SO tired of this 1.6 even after the small update and the rooting,
2.im tired of not being able to install programs not supporting 1.6 anymore,
3.tired of not being able to update programs for the same reason.
4.Tired of not having things like Live wallpaper etc.
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1.Learn java/android and help the dev team with the 2.1/2.2 FW
2.Learn java/android and make the app compatible with your version
3.Learn java/android and write your own programs, or better yet wait for app inventor.
4.OMG I to want to sit and watch live wallpaper!!
X10 definetely has the potential to be great and the true fans will stick it out. So if your looking for reasons to stay you will not get one from me. I think you have already made up your mind so I think the saying goes "Dont let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya"

Just wait once 2.1 comes out its going to be one of the best 2.1 android out there.....
Sent from my X10i using XDA App

iead1 said:
I can't be bothered to look it up, but...
1) Live wallpaper? Really? That's what you're upset about?
2) I don't think SE has announced several times, on multiple websites and press releases that 2.1 is coming Q3 (around September). They haven't announced it at all.
3) When the X10 was released, several phones were on the market with 2.1. Yet, you knowingly purchased a phone with 1.6. Who is to blame? The company for clearly marketing the phone as 1.6 or the customer who purchased the 1.6 phone, just to ***** about it having 1.6? I'll let you decide that one.
As for me? Best phone I've ever used. Every time I use my friend's iPhone 4, I get happy once I grab my X10. My Blackberry never was this nice. Even my insane high-end Japanese cell phone that I could use as a credit card, train ticket, and television with a 10MP camera, true flash, and HD recording isn't as nice as the X10. I'm happy, and I can certainly wait a month or two for 2.1.
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mind show me how yours insane high end cell phone look like?
Anyhow, why get a desire. Isn;t Evo 4g the highest tier of HTC that is out in he market.
for OP: Just don't come back crying to us when our x10 can shoot laser beams and call in Godzilla to step on those Iphone users and use the "FORCE".

If you get a new iphone 4 you will get a free case/bumper.....

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If you get a new iphone 4 you will get a free case/bumper.....
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But there is no reception problem with the phone, it's just a software error. If Jobs said so then it must be true.
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heeelllooooo
Iphone 4 not a hardware problem but software......................well apparently, and im quoting the guys at apple, its not just a software problem but a hardware problem, they have admitted that the phone is beset with problems and has been since its conception, do yourself a favour dont waste your money, get an X10 and have the sweetest looking handset out, forget about the bad press as all these little foibles that the buyers have been grumbling about (you cant please *****es) as these will be sorted and a good few of them have been already, pretty soon we will be getting Android 2.1 (with a few added pleasures curtesy of SE, as Android 1.6 isnt a standard Android 1.6, its a customized SE version of Android so im speculating that when 2.1 comes it too will have that extra SE vava voom) and lets not forget the added bazinga bonus of having HD photo and video capture (a real bonus for all the homemade porn directors muhahahaha) so stop the grumbling pleeeeeaaaase, Iphone sux and X10 rocks, just hold on for a little while (and since most of you have waited longer for some action from your girlfriends) it will be over in a flash but worth the wait!!!!! muhahahahaha

[Q] X10 Owners... X10 over Samsung Captivate?

I swear this is a serious question... I have posted here and not the Captivate forum because I really want thoughtful responses and not smart-ass answers.
After over a year's wait, the X10 is finally coming to AT&T tomorrow. I've had only Ericssons and Sony Ericssons since 1998. I have always been a fan of SE designs and loved having a unique phone. Perhaps earlier this year I would have immediately jumped on the X10. However, the Samsung Captivate has generally received higher scores, and on multiple reviews, has also been named the best Android phone on AT&T.
I am trying really hard to like the X10 more than the Captivate, but can any X10 owners offer compelling reasons to go with the X10? Please assume the 2.1 update arrives as planned. I understand this is objective, but I really just want the "best" AT&T phone.
So far, my main reasons to go with the X10 are:
1) I love SE phones.
2) I've loved SE cameras, and the X10's appears to perform better than the Captivate's.
3) The camera flash/bright LED light has saved me in more than one situation throughout the years.
4) Mediascape seems to be highly regarded in most of the reviews I have read, and I plan to upload music, pictures, and videos to this phone.
5) I personally like the X10 design more than the Captivate.
Also, a few questions before I play with both phones tomorrow:
1) Does the lack of multi-touch really make a difference?
2) Does the UXP act as clunky as reviews have said it does?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
Christian

In my mind x10 is not the best smart phone out there.
It has a os version behind others and lack of mt
I not sure is 2.1 will improve the system as i never tried b4
but if u not a hardcore gamer den mt is not a problem for you.
Lack of mt mean can't play game like pspxdroid smootly
And Samsung Captivate is really a powerful mobile but the power usage is higher too.
X10 is the only phone i know that your phone can last u a day without much worry that your batt will run out till the end of the day if you control your batt usage well.
And i just love the design of the phone i think is the few design that score toe to toe with iphone 4g and that why i go for it. And the problem with all the older os compare to htc/samsumg cause x10 have a sony UI design where making it different. I love the background at the setting page compare to the normal black background (just make you think it not customize before)
But if you got the chances to hold both phone i believe x10 look really great especial the white phone=)
Note: Some other user said: Buying a smart phone is like getting a wife. =)
it never going to be prefect in any way. But if you love it? that good enough.
Hope you pick the right wife for you=)

You already put up 5 good reasons to get the X10 so it sounds to me like you already want it.
As to your questions:
1: Multi touch was impressive when I tried it other phones and was a big negative against me getting the X10, but now that I got the X10 anyway the controls work just fine for me.
2: I'm sure the user experience could be better, I don't like everything about this phone but it seems pretty good overall. I would say as just a phone, the X10 needs some improvement, but as a data device it does everything I need.

my opinion
hi im from australia,
we dont have the samsung captivate but we have the samsung galaxy s, and i curently own the SE X10 which i chose over the samsung galaxy s.
i work in a telco shop so i get to play with the galaxy all the time and ive compared it to my x10, and i chose the x10.
this is what ive notices about the 2 handsets.
X10:
the battery life in the start was really bad, but as about 2 weeks passed, the battery actually started lasting longer, must be just because it was new and just needed a few proper charges.
the original software that came on it was a bit laggy an had a few problems with it but im now on the (26) software and its working great
i personally dont care for multi touch and not so much about games either (i have ipod touch and i play all my games on that.
although i have quiet a lot of games on my x10 and they all play great,
i use vignette as my main camera app and the photos i get with it are spectacular you may check them here http://img375.imageshack.us/g/20100710160347439.jpg/
i prefer the screen of the x10, yes i know that the galaxy has a supper amoled, ive had the omnia II i8000 which had an amoled screen and really dont care for it.
with the update the phone will be even better and faster. at the same time as much as i hope we get 2.1 soon and 2.2 following i really dont think that numbers matter too much, i got the phone because it did what i wanted for me.
now on to the GALAXY S:
great supper amoled screen,
16gig internal memory
multi touch
2.1 and soon getting 2.2 which will make it as insane phone especially for games (if thats what you want)
but one thing ive noticed is that when ever i use our store demo which has the latest software and all the same apps as my x10 (i set it up in the same way)
the galaxy s seems to lag a fair bit over time and requires a reboot to fix that.
the only thing that the galaxy has that i really wanted was SWYPE KEYBOARD and i actually got it on my x10 and its working great.
at the same time i see a lot of people buying both these phones, and no one as of yet has come back with problems with them,
i dont know if ive helped much in your decision but i just say pick one that has what you want

To answer some of your questions:
UXP is quite good. That being said, Mediascape should make you change your mind. It's definitely good, but not good enough to die for. You will find better picture viewers (JustPictures) and media players (Rock Player) in the Android market for free.
Captivate has multi-touch, SAMOLED and newer Android. However, it's build quality is weaker.
Multitouch doesnt matter in most apps. Pinch and zoom isn't really a big deal. However, some of the games require multi-touch. Once again, it isn't a deal breaker, but it is important enough to be considered.
Btw, Amazon will be offering X10 with contract for 50 bucks. What is the best deal you can get on the Captivate?

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2) I've loved SE cameras, and the X10's appears to perform better than the Captivate's.
Christian
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Some of the images captured from stock camera, you will see lot of variance in quality due, reason being user.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=724314

There's one reason I would not recommend buying a SE phone, cruddy customer support and a desire to have people update to latest phone rather then keep developing older models. They try to make the customers pay over and over for the same stuff, look at the way they treated PSP users who got the new model.
Sony doesn't get enthusiast smart phones, HTC and Apple do; they know that regular on time updates are important to us. That's who I'd be buying a smart phone from. Sony cater to the mass market uneducated customers who dont know how to upgrade their os or don't care.
Upshot, we will get 2.1 very late, we might get 2.2 when everyone is getting 3.0. I'll eat my hat if X10 will get 3.0, by then SE will see it as cannibalizing sales of their newest phone.
Also, x10 lacks the 512 ram that's talked about as likely prerequisite for 3.0. So, it's a well built phone with a limited lifespan. I'd go with an HTC phone for android, they get smartphones and have a prooven track record. Samsung are new at this game, so we will see. The Galaxy build quality is much poorer than SE, HTC or Apple.
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consolation said:
... look at the way they treated PSP users who got the new model.
Sony doesn't get enthusiast smart phones, HTC and Apple do; they know that regular on time updates are important to us. That's who I'd be buying a smart phone from. Sony cater to the mass market uneducated customers who dont know how to upgrade their os or don't care.
Also, x10 lacks the 512 ram that's talked about as likely prerequisite for 3.0. So, it's a well built phone with a limited lifespan. I'd go with an HTC phone for android, they get smartphones and have a prooven track record. Samsung are new at this game, so we will see. The Galaxy build quality is much poorer than SE, HTC or Apple.
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1st Sony and Sony Ericsson are two different companies.
2nd we have plenty of firmware updates but no OS updates. We will have one very soon now. HTC have made a lot more Android phones. This is SE's first and i think they did a pretty good job as well.
3rd there is no prerequisite for Android 3.0. Google haven't said anything about that.

I'd say go with what you really like in your hand and to your eyes. Both are great phones and you will get over many of the cons with either phones with help on several forums.
I owned several phones in the last 3 years and started to like to SE designs more ever since I owned W910. Recently, I owned Nexus One and iPhone 4 but settled with X10 mainly for how it feels in my hands and for the looks.
It has quite a few annoying functionality issues but I got around them after a week or two. I have the white X10a which makes it even more special.
99% of the time I use my phone to make calls, text, googleTalk, Maps, and Browsing. So, MT doesn't even come to my thoughts and 1.6 feels fine.
Some apps that makes X10 even better
1. ADW Launcher
2. CalWidget
3. Beautiful Widgets (Paid App)
4. Weather & Toggle Donate (paid). You don't need if u get Beautiful Widgets.
5. Switch Pro Widget (Paid app)
6. JustPictures (I use Smugmug so, it rocks)
7. MixZing Media Player
8. Data Counter widget (if you don't have unlimited data plan)

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1st Sony and Sony Ericsson are two different companies.
2nd we have plenty of firmware updates but no OS updates. We will have one very soon now. HTC have made a lot more Android phones. This is SE's first and i think they did a pretty good job as well.
3rd there is no prerequisite for Android 3.0. Google haven't said anything about that.
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1) SE is owned 50% by Sony and share lots of board members, marketing etc etc. It's for all intents and purposes a subsidiary company,
2) Yes, firmware updates that FAILED to address basic flaws in the phone, and would have been unnecessary if they rolled out 2.0, 2.1, and we should have 2.2 by now. Instead we are hoping that maybe we can get 2.1 - 6 months late. The phone is well made, no argument, not quite up to Apple standard, but definitely better built than other top tier androids.
SE won't learn if they treat customers like **** and we take it. I'm not sure that they can change their corporate mentality enough to make a difference. It's a massive multi-national, X10 is one of millions of other products ranging from bog rolls to rockets, they will never care as much about any individual product. HTC makes smart phones, they can't afford to get a bad rep, this is good for us, the customers. Even Apple have more at stake with the iPhone. I fear Samsung will head in SE's footsteps, but, I haven't heard much about them either way. Sony has a reputation for spreading their customers' butt cheeks and ramming **** in.
3) The 512MB RAM pre-req has been floated by a number of sources, it will give SE perfect excuse not to give us 3.0; almost like it's been planned...
Also, another reason to avoid SE, we had pretty little progress on hacking the bootloader. Sony are fanatically against modding communities on their products - I wouldn't be surprised if it's never broken.
All in all, if you've already got X10, and it's working fine for you - I wouldn't rush out and sell it. However, you can get better phones from more customer friendly manufacturers nowadays; I would NOT buy a new X10.

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Some apps that makes X10 even better
1. ADW Launcher
2. CalWidget
3. Beautiful Widgets (Paid App)
4. Weather & Toggle Donate (paid). You don't need if u get Beautiful Widgets.
5. Switch Pro Widget (Paid app)
6. JustPictures (I use Smugmug so, it rocks)
7. MixZing Media Player
8. Data Counter widget (if you don't have unlimited data plan)
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LOL, you've got pretty much same setup as me. I would just add
9)Penetrate 10)Wifi Analyzer 11)Handcent and replace 7) with bTunes

i think that you will have to choose between a good build quality and lack of software upgrades (SE) and moderate build quality but better software support (samsung). I would go with the first choice but there is little chance that the bootloader will be cracked so no custom ROM to compensate SE laziness.

consolation said:
1) SE is owned 50% by Sony and share lots of board members, marketing etc etc. It's for all intents and purposes a subsidiary company,
2) Yes, firmware updates that FAILED to address basic flaws in the phone, and would have been unnecessary if they rolled out 2.0, 2.1, and we should have 2.2 by now. Instead we are hoping that maybe we can get 2.1 - 6 months late. The phone is well made, no argument, not quite up to Apple standard, but definitely better built than other top tier androids.
SE won't learn if they treat customers like **** and we take it. I'm not sure that they can change their corporate mentality enough to make a difference. It's a massive multi-national, X10 is one of millions of other products ranging from bog rolls to rockets, they will never care as much about any individual product. HTC makes smart phones, they can't afford to get a bad rep, this is good for us, the customers. Even Apple have more at stake with the iPhone. I fear Samsung will head in SE's footsteps, but, I haven't heard much about them either way. Sony has a reputation for spreading their customers' butt cheeks and ramming **** in.
3) The 512MB RAM pre-req has been floated by a number of sources, it will give SE perfect excuse not to give us 3.0; almost like it's been planned...
Also, another reason to avoid SE, we had pretty little progress on hacking the bootloader. Sony are fanatically against modding communities on their products - I wouldn't be surprised if it's never broken.
All in all, if you've already got X10, and it's working fine for you - I wouldn't rush out and sell it. However, you can get better phones from more customer friendly manufacturers nowadays; I would NOT buy a new X10.
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I'm sorry but why the **** did you get a SE phone for in the first place? You seem to really hate SE down to the core and yet you support them by buying their products, seems very strange to me. And SE has been totally open from the beginning with the OS issue and you should very well have known what you purchased, if not, the only failer here is you and not SE. And just look at the magics they have worked on 1.6! The only real difference from 2.1 is a tidy bit slower kernel and no live wallpapers, appart from that SE really did transform 1.6 in a fantastic way and i high hopes for further releases.
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Tjotte said:
I'm sorry but why the **** did you get a SE phone for in the first place? You seem to really hate SE down to the core and yet you support them by buying their products, seems very strange to me. And SE has been totally open from the beginning with the OS issue and you should very well have known what you purchased, if not, the only failer here is you and not SE. And just look at the magics they have worked on 1.6! The only real difference from 2.1 is a tidy bit slower kernel and no live wallpapers, appart from that SE really did transform 1.6 in a fantastic way and i high hopes for further releases.
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Here's the 1.6 vs 2.1 difference:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.0-highlights.html
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.1.html
Although, I agree with you that SE have made 1.6 a LOT better than the stock version.
And I think we'll get 2.2 at least because of this:
http://twitter.com/SonyEricssonUK/status/15260820648
But, when we'll get it, is the problem.

@CinCa0989
I would choose the Samsung Captivate if you want to play 3D games on your phone, due to its better gpu and multitouch capability.
I would also choose it if you want the latest software, whatever it is.
If you don't care about 3d games, multitouch or updates, get the X10.
Also, choose the X10, if you like taking pictures, and want better-looking videos. It will have 720p recording soon (by Q3 end), and an LED is better than no LED.

Tjotte said:
I'm sorry but why the **** did you get a SE phone for in the first place? You seem to really hate SE down to the core and yet you support them by buying their products, seems very strange to me. And SE has been totally open from the beginning with the OS issue and you should very well have known what you purchased, if not, the only failer here is you and not SE. And just look at the magics they have worked on 1.6! The only real difference from 2.1 is a tidy bit slower kernel and no live wallpapers, appart from that SE really did transform 1.6 in a fantastic way and i high hopes for further releases.
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Don't apologise for SE, you sound like someone in an abusive relations who takes any scraps thrown at you as evidence of "love." He hits me 'cause he loves me... SE took people who paid for a premium phone for a ride, no excuses, premium products should come with premium support. I don't hate SE, they are big corp acting like big corps do, but I don't have to like getting shafted.
TBH, I got it for my GF who wanted a decent camera; she used it for a couple of weeks, said "what a piece of crap" and got an iPhone 4. Although her beef was more with the flea market, sorry, android marketplace and the OS rather than the hardware - well she had some pretty strong opinions on the lack of multitouch. Since I need an android phone for work, I ditched my MT3G and hanged on to the XPERIA. I actually think there's a great phone struggling to be set free in there; if we could get 2.2 & ditch all the Sony crapola we'd be rocking.

consolation said:
TBH, I got it for my GF who wanted a decent camera; she used it for a couple of weeks, said "what a piece of crap" and got an iPhone 4. Although her beef was more with the flea market, sorry, android marketplace and the OS rather than the hardware - well she had some pretty strong opinions on the lack of multitouch. Since I need an android phone for work, I ditched my MT3G and hanged on to the XPERIA. I actually think there's a great phone struggling to be set free in there; if we could get 2.2 & ditch all the Sony crapola we'd be rocking.
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Hey guys no need to be rude. The OP asked for personal opinion and not smart-ass answers .As far as "what a piece of crap" goes did you mean the camera is crap or the phone? In my opinion X10 has one of the best camera if not the best available in Android phones.

Yes the camera is as good as they get. My only issue is lack of mic levels so it's hard to record gigs without clipping.
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I'll keep it short. I apologize for my previous post, not knowing another fellas background story. I'm just really tired of all the whining on pree release knowledge. I'm happy with my phone, prolly spent 15-20h gathering knowledge before purchase. Peace ppl, and i hope the OP will be happy with whatever choice he makes!
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LOL, you've got pretty much same setup as me. I would just add
9)Penetrate 10)Wifi Analyzer 11)Handcent and replace 7) with bTunes
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How did I forget Handcent? Maybe I use it so much that I feel it's the default Messaging app. Need to check out how the default one is .

Ditching my Hero

Any of you guys plan to get a new phone? With all the problems/issues i have with my Hero, I think it's time to get a new phone.

I'm waiting for the Nexus S, then I'll (sadly) sell my Hero...

I recentenly received a Htc Desire Z for my birthday and my mom says I need to sell it. But I don't want to because it has such good memories

I'm really considering the venue pro from dell and give W7 try. I'm not letting go android yet but W7 seems promissing.

BISDAKinLA said:
I'm really considering the venue pro from dell and give W7 try. I'm not letting go android yet but W7 seems promissing.
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I think W7 looks like the lamest OS for phones ever. the tiles concept in my opinion is ridiculously dull, typically windows though! I reckon id get bored of the orange (orange?!) tiles within a few days. especially after all the customisation ive been able to do with android

BISDAKinLA said:
Any of you guys plan to get a new phone? With all the problems/issues i have with my Hero, I think it's time to get a new phone.
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Desire HD
Also, what problems do you have with the Hero? This is by far the best phone I have ever owned.

f_padia said:
I think W7 looks like the lamest OS for phones ever. the tiles concept in my opinion is ridiculously dull, typically windows though! I reckon id get bored of the orange (orange?!) tiles within a few days. especially after all the customisation ive been able to do with android
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i think its too early to criticize the OS granted it just came out couple of months ago and I'm sure there are plenty of updates along the run.
Zebwen said:
Desire HD
Also, what problems do you have with the Hero? This is by far the best phone I have ever owned.
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problem connecting to bluetooth on my car or any device
it takes forever to call someone by pressing the people button
weather not showing on time widget
LAG
I don't know if rooting my phone solves most of my issues above.

f_padia said:
I think W7 looks like the lamest OS for phones ever. the tiles concept in my opinion is ridiculously dull, typically windows though! I reckon id get bored of the orange (orange?!) tiles within a few days. especially after all the customisation ive been able to do with android
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You can change the orange tiles you know? To answer the original post, i'll be getting either a Samsung omnia 7 or a desire hd next month. Most probably the omnia 7 though, just because I love how simplistic wp7 is and how its so different from all the other OS'.
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I can guarantee that rooting your phone and loading a froyo rom will undoubtedly fix the bluetooth problem. I had the 2.1 official update until a few days back and then rooted and loaded the FroydVillain 1.6 rom. Previously I could pair with my Nokia BH-504 headphones, but when using them on a call they would hang due to a software incompatibility of the official ROM with the BT stack of the headphones.
Now they work perfectly. So will your car BT. I cannot be 100% sure, but I'm pretty confident on a 95%.
Your other problems with the phone are lag related. On Froyo the phone flies. No more lag, the Froydvillain rom has a overclock/underclock utility to ensure maximum performance with even better battery life. Trust me. Use it.
And if you have the 2.1 update then there is an almost 1-click root method on the villainrom.co.uk forum.

I wanted to get the Desire HD but because of the stock issues with carriers, just went to o2 and got my self a Htc HD 7 and just loving it
I havent used a windows phone before but i think Microsoft has done a decent job, although a software update will go long way with more apps in the market will help as well
guys the 4:3 inch screen phones are goody, dont even feel like using my comp any more.

I'm due to upgrade my GSM Hero on January 4th. I'll definitely miss it but I always like to get a new handset come upgrade time.
I'm currently torn between the Desire HD and Galaxy S, however both of them have issues that bother me. The main ones being:
Desire HD - Battery life is reported to be very poor. Speaker quality not great. Possibly a bit too big also. LCD screen not as good as Samsung AMOLED.
Galaxy S - No Sense UI. Suffers lag out the box (fixed with custom ROMs and tweaks). Also quite a platsicy phone compared to the HTCs I'm used to. Looks like an iPhone 3GS. Also, it doesn't bode well for Samsung when XDA members can fix things they themselves can't!
I'm almost tempted to wait it our for the new series of dual-core Android handsets like the LG Star / new Moto phone but I'm not sure if / when they will be released in the UK. The Galaxy S II and Nexus 2 are tempting too but again, it's a case of if / when they are released in the UK.
One thing is for sure though, I'll definitely be sticking with Android.

BISDAKinLA said:
i think its too early to criticize the OS granted it just came out couple of months ago and I'm sure there are plenty of updates along the run.
problem connecting to bluetooth on my car or any device
it takes forever to call someone by pressing the people button
weather not showing on time widget
LAG
I don't know if rooting my phone solves most of my issues above.
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Root your phone. If your planning on replacing it anyway, and hate it this much, just root it. Tehres lots of one-click root tools now. So do that, then install clockworkmod recovery, and install a decent ROM. DONE.

Zebwen said:
Root your phone. If your planning on replacing it anyway, and hate it this much, just root it. Tehres lots of one-click root tools now. So do that, then install clockworkmod recovery, and install a decent ROM. DONE.
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Thanks, I'll try to root my phone this weekend.

I was thinking of upgrading my Hero as well and was planning on getting the Nexus S but that has left me very underwhelmed so I'm not going to bother. There's nothing else out there that I'd be willing to spend my hard earned on.

I think many of us wanted the nexus s.....not sure now

I'm gonna change it for the Nexus S in january. The Hero has been great but its time for something new
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Have ditched my Hero
Hi Guys,
After lots of fun with my Hero and the great ROMs that are around here made it more fun.
Today I became the proud owner of the Desire HD how great is this huge screen, and the speed. It makes the Hero look so obsolete!
Still this was my best phone ever! Androided and rooted for life thanks to my Hero.
Ofcourse going to root my Desire HD!

It seems as though the Desire HD is the upgrade of choice from the Hero.
Hopefully us Canadians will get a version that will support our 3G bands soon

I got sick of waiting for updates and waiting for Arabic language support , so I bought an iPhone 4 . I still have the htc hero and I will keep it for one more year .
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Ordered the Desizre Z earlier
Not sure what to do with this, maybe keep it and take it out when there's a chance I could lose/damage my phone, or sell it to envirofone or something for about £90 (which will also pay my early cancellation fee for Vodafone)

Xperia X12 Arc vs. Desire HD

The new SE Xperia Arc looks good.
Opinions on which one you would choose...

Personally I will never again buy a Sony Ericsson phone. Ever! Not after the debacle that was the X10.
They have a horrible habit of messing the software up in a big way and then taking ages - if at all - to fix it.
Nah, I'll definitely stick with my DHD I think
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i got rid of my SEx10 for my DHD, now the wait for the 2.1 upgrade for my X10 was well worth it but , i think im going to stick to my DHD for the time being as the ARC would be good should you want an upgrade

Sony means good hardware and horrible software support. By the time Gingerbread was releasing they were finally getting around to updating the X10 to Eclair.
If you are ok with being stuck with the same software version for the next two years I'd say go Sony.
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The Arc looks like a great handset but Sony (along with Samsung and LG in my experience) seem to have a history of failing to support their phones as soon as new ones come out... so personally I'd rule it out because of that.
Still, who needs manufacturer support when we have XDA

I had to get rid of my X10 too, i would not recommend getting an SE phone, at least not at launch.
The x10 was a joke. (Although still the best looking phone ive seen to date)

i have to be honest the Arc was tempting me. It looks absolutely awesome, it has HDMI out which i really wish the DHD could have, and it has this really hyped up camera technology which is great for low light photos i hear (SE cameras are great in general). Also people are praising the screen which is using bravia technology.
But alas, sony's really poor support with software, and thir god aweful ui on their phones is keeping me from getting one. I hear the X10 still doesnt have custom roms on it yet. that's another major drawback for it imo.
I'll be sticking with HTC for now.

Having only just got rid of the x10, i feel sony was a really big let down....custom roms are only just turning up, unlocking the bootloader looks to be very long way away. and the kernel which at this mo can still not be flashed and is holding what could of been a great phone back.Not many Devs working on the handset so it will take longer.
Sony are ment to have good cameras but the x10 was ok ish..

SunjinSak said:
Personally I will never again buy a Sony Ericsson phone. Ever! Not after the debacle that was the X10.
They have a horrible habit of messing the software up in a big way and then taking ages - if at all - to fix it.
Nah, I'll definitely stick with my DHD I think
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Exactly what I was thinking.
I mean don't get me wrong the X12 looks amzing and feature packed but after what happened to the X10 I don't think I can trust SE again with software updates.
There have been a lot of cool phones been announced at CES but tbh no other manufacturer has made a phone that I personally would want to buy, i'm stuck on HTC! I am really happy with the desire HD!

The main reason for xda exsisted was HTC phones, no other phones gets as much support dev wise, that why I always buy HTC, of course they great hardware and experience. Samsung come a close 2nd these days.
But Sony Arc and even LG Star might look like great phones but with no community support, they are dead in my eyes.
The only other phone I'd consider which isn't HTC or Sammy would be Atrix the new moto phone, but then again moto in Europe has poor support, and they tend have stupid bootloader.

i have a contract up in april and i think i will get the LG star the screen looks so good and a good battery music to my ears
also just incase you think i am anti HTC i have DHD my wife has desire and my little girl has my old HD2 running cm7 gingerbread on nand.

i dumped my x10 after their growing debate on multi touch and its poor battery life
ever since i gotten my DHD i'm so pleased i finally got HTC sense + the HTC keyboard that i didn't need to hack to get
don't think i'll switch back unless the arc has a better battery, i'm not too pleased with my DHD's battery

My wife will be getting the Arc on release as if she got a DHD she would always be confusing hers for mine (as she tends to lose hers a few times a day!).
I'm looking forward to having a play on it. I doubt very much it'd be worth an upgrade from a DHD, but for people on a Desire or below it might be worth a shout. Wife is still on a Hero, so should be a nice big upgrade for her.

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My wife will be getting the Arc on release as if she got a DHD she would always be confusing hers for mine (as she tends to lose hers a few times a day!).
I'm looking forward to having a play on it. I doubt very much it'd be worth an upgrade from a DHD, but for people on a Desire or below it might be worth a shout. Wife is still on a Hero, so should be a nice big upgrade for her.
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Especially true if she isn't an uber geek like most of us are. Normal people aren't overly concerned about being stuck on, say Eclair, if Eclair is providing for them the functionality they require.
However if you know about these forums and frequent them I will bet money you are not a normal user so in that case the X12 is still a bit of a gamble for reasons already discussed. I for one am confident that we will get official Gingerbread with HTC sense this quarter and it wouldn't surprise me if the Desire got it in short order too.
As for X12 users they may well be stuck on Gingerbread forever. That wouldn't be a bad thing because its hard fault Gingerbread it feels like the coming of age for Android to me but when Honeycomb comes I will want it even if the new features don't change the way I use my phone on a daily basis, only because I am a geek and want new features to play with.
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Until Sony releasing an android walkman, am sticking to desire HD
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Especially true if she isn't an uber geek like most of us are. Normal people aren't overly concerned about being stuck on, say Eclair, if Eclair is providing for them the functionality they require.
However if you know about these forums and frequent them I will bet money you are not a normal user so in that case the X12 is still a bit of a gamble for reasons already discussed.
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Yeah, exactly. She won't even let me root her phone so I can put FroYo on it! She even refused to put the OTA to 2.1 on until I begged her as it would fix the things she was moaning about!
So I think the Arc will probably be ideal for her. I'm sticking to my S-OFF, Rooted DHD though

There is a video of the arcs UI in action in engadget and let's just say Sony is still bad with software it looks very slow and lags a bit in the video. I guess don't might work it out before release but the if the x10 is any thing to go buy then I would advise to stay away from the arc.
Imo Sony and any compact for that matter would sell loads more units if they would just put stock android builds on their devices as it stands only HTC sense seems decent and even then I'd prefer stock
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I will not buy a SonyEricsson any time soon again...
I have my X10 lying in a drawer only as a toy, and spare phone...
The fact that Sonyericsson is lightyears behind HTC with firmware and other software, and the fact that they abandon a device like the flagship x10 after only 8 month on the marked, speak for it self...
And when they say that the new ARC is 4 times faster than the old x10, they hide the fact that the x10 also could be more than 4 times faster with optimized and new firmware...! the xda devs have proved that already...
Sonyericsson say they never will update the x10 to android 2,3 or even to 2,2, as they say that the users will gain nothing from that...
So x10 will be stuck on android 2,1...
And ARC users need to expect the same will happen to them also, don't expect to get newer firmware than what you buy the phone with...
The ARC don't even have dualcore, that many other manufacturs are planning to send out now...
I will personal NOT buy it, I would look at the LG X2 or wait for HTC to send out new handsets...
Buy a Sonyericsson and expect to get ****ed by them...
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Never buy or wait for a smartphone from SE. it is simply not worth it.
they promise you whatever you want to hear/read but they fail to deliver in all categories. i bought a p990i and and xperia-x1 and the story is always the same: first they announce a model, then they move the release over and over again up to 6-12 months. they rarely make more then 1 update/hotfix. they fail to upgrade the OS in a reasonable time (if they even consider it). they drop support on phones pretty fast.
service, support and updates: FAIL
i did observe this on: p990i, p1, x1, x10 ...
they even released android 1.6 phones in the US after most other companys switched to frojo ...
-QuadWord

Dual cures core phones are not exciting me much at all. They are worthless until there is an Android os which is optimized for them, and apps won't benefit until they are optimized for dual core.
Just like when the first 64 bit desktop cpu came out. Most people were still using 32 bit os on them until very recently because most software was and still is 32 bit anyway.
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