So I've got a Z2 on O2UK and I have a locked bootloader which is a bit of a bummer, has anyone had much luck getting root on the locked bootloader, I know it will come eventually, but without root I'm seriously considering returning the phone and getting a HTC One M8, which I don't want to do as I love the design of the newest xperia phones.
We all have locked bootloaders, difference is some are unlockable and some are not. And no, so far no root exploit without unlocking bootloader first
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Yeah I know we do, I can't unlock mine, it's says NO when I check. I might have a go following some guides in the Z1 and Z1 Compact threads, there must be a way.
As of this moment sadly there are no root exploits, you can save yourself trouble. Usually someone finds exploit in older firmware version and uses it to gain root, but z2 shipped with 4.4, which due to google policy shouldnt have any. But fear not, device is not even worldwide available yet, im sure in some time someone is ought to find a security hole
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I know which is a shame, I might return it and just get the M8.
If root is such a big deal that you cant wait, then yeah, changing phones or provider is probably best for you
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Wait, that's what I say
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I have apps that depend on root, that's the only issue. And we no known exploit on KitKat on any Xperia phone, I find it unlikely we will get root soon, unless we get the mythical JellyBean FTF file for our phone, which I find unlikely we will.
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I have apps that depend on root, that's the only issue. And we no known exploit on KitKat on any Xperia phone, I find it unlikely we will get root soon, unless we get the mythical JellyBean FTF file for our phone, which I find unlikely we will.
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Get the phone through Carphone Warehouse or Phones 4 U, you'll get a network unlocked handset with an unlockable bootloader.
The phone I got through 3 is both.
I got it through contract upgrade with o2 and got an xperia z2 tablet for £100 so if I take it back I have to take the tablet back, which I don't want to do, so I'm in a difficult decision.
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nintendolinky said:
I got it through contract upgrade with o2 and got an xperia z2 tablet for £100 so if I take it back I have to take the tablet back, which I don't want to do, so I'm in a difficult decision.
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Ah I see your predicament. Maybe check to see what deal cpw or p4u can do, I'm pretty sure you can upgrade through them.
Not on o2 refresh which is a shame as I would have done it there.
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As far as i know if you change phone your 100quid tablet deal will not be valid aswell?
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Yeah its not so I have to take the tablet back also, which is something I don't want to do.
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Seriously dunno why some companies are so penny wise but pound foolish. Don't they know that ease of rooting can sell more phones than whatever advertising gimmicks?
Seifer1975 said:
Seriously dunno why some companies are so penny wise but pound foolish. Don't they know that ease of rooting can sell more phones than whatever advertising gimmicks?
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Tbh people here at xda is just a minority compared to global sales, so no, rooting is not something that would increase number of sales, what it would increase, is number of broken devices due to lack of knowledge in common user.
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Yeah its not so I have to take the tablet back also, which is something I don't want to do.
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Have you received your Tablet then as I haven't seen anyone else who took the o2 deal even having received notification they are getting yet ?
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BigladUK said:
Have you received your Tablet then as I haven't seen anyone else who took the o2 deal even having received notification they are getting yet ?
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As above.
I also got the phone from o2 but have had no confirmation of the tablet as yet.
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I actually work for o2, and yes all the devices are locked bootloader. I was gutted when I got mine. Just hoping someone finds a way to get around it. I have faith!
With regards to the tablet, you would have to return it yes, as part of the deal.
People who are awaiting tablets, I have heard they can be shipped any time in May and its a gamble as to if you get a 4G or wifi variant of it.
I will chase it up for more info though on the timescales for everyone
**Edit** those asking about tablets know that it was for preorder customers only? Did you get a leaflet at the till / delivery and have registered on the Sony website to claim it?
I have my tablet I didn't preorder either, I went in store asked about the deal and was offered it. I have a wifi model, didn't know I could have got a 4G one.
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So I would like to know if any progress has been made to unlock bootloaders on simlocked phones? Have donations covered the costs of handsets or do we still need more donations?
Any news?
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So I would like to know if any progress has been made to unlock bootloaders on simlocked phones? Have donations covered the costs of handsets or do we still need more donations?
Any news?
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I'm not sure but I believe donations were not meant for bootloader unlocking off sim-locked devices. And that the freeXperia team is not doing research into unlocking these bootloaders out of fear that Sonyericsson will start locking all bootloaders in the future. Now people have a choice between locked and unlocked bootloaders when they buy a xperia play.
I believe I read the above somewhere but I'm not sure.
Well that's weak I guess its time to sell this piece of crap then my bloody X10 is able to do more than this phone, if I can't unlock the bootloader in the future to flash custom roms then I'm basically wasting my time with this phone and its going up for sale tomorrow
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Be more cautious with your next five-hundred-dollar purchase. Buy carrier-free, open-bootloader phones, otherwise, as you see, they won't be yours.
Oh well I'm not to worried about it I'll just check out something else for now and I hope they make a xplay 2 cause I would definitely buy it its a fun phone I just hoped that they would be able to figure it out but it sound like the devs aren't gonna bother so no biggie I'm able to move on
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I'm not sure but I believe donations were not meant for bootloader unlocking off sim-locked devices. And that the freeXperia team is not doing research into unlocking these bootloaders out of fear that Sonyericsson will start locking all bootloaders in the future. Now people have a choice between locked and unlocked bootloaders when they buy a xperia play.
I believe I read the above somewhere but I'm not sure.
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Well in canada thats really hard to come by. There's no way to get an unlockable xperia play for us.
It's strange that the HTC EVO 3D that will be launching on Rogers will have an unlocked bootloader while this phone won't.
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Well in canada thats really hard to come by. There's no way to get an unlockable xperia play for us.
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Wouldn't an imported sim-lock free device work on the rogers network?
Yes that would work but I bought mine the day it came out for $550 and wasn't interested in spending 800-900 bucks to get an unlocked version its not even close to being worth that its not even worth the 550 Rogers started it off with
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I don't like the black and white color scheme. The phones are identical and yet one gets to keep the warranty. It doesn't make any sense to me.
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It's an unfair world we're living in.
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I don't like the black and white color scheme. The phones are identical and yet one gets to keep the warranty. It doesn't make any sense to me.
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Motorola needs to sell phones. That's what they do. To do that, they need to be friends with the carriers. Carriers don't want you unlocking your phone and uninstalling all the junk they put there. They make money from that junk. So you need to be discouraged from doing that.
Now, Motorola was actually nice enough to sell phones directly, outside of the carriers, to the general public. These phones are unlocked and easily rooted. That's great!
The cup is half full, not half empty.
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Motorola needs to sell phones. That's what they do. To do that, they need to be friends with the carriers. Carriers don't want you unlocking your phone and uninstalling all the junk they put there. They make money from that junk. So you need to be discouraged from doing that.
Now, Motorola was actually nice enough to sell phones directly, outside of the carriers, to the general public. These phones are unlocked and easily rooted. That's great!
The cup is half full, not half empty.
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I hear that and in a Macro way that does make sense, but when I think about it in a selfish Micro way I just can't help but feel that it doesn't make any sense that they would let you keep your warranty if it has the words Developers Edition on your phone.
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I hear that and in a Macro way that does make sense, but when I think about it in a selfish Micro way I just can't help but feel that it doesn't make any sense that they would let you keep your warranty if it has the words Developers Edition on your phone.
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I'm guessing it's largely about the subsidy. If the carrier is footing the bill for your phone up front, they don't want you running out and doing something they might have to support, thus costing them twice. It's probably easier to void the warranty for all subsidized versions rather than keeping track of who paid full price and who took a subsidy.
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I'm guessing it's largely about the subsidy. If the carrier is footing the bill for your phone up front, they don't want you running out and doing something they might have to support, thus costing them twice. It's probably easier to void the warranty for all subsidized versions rather than keeping track of who paid full price and who took a subsidy.
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That's a very good point.
EDIT: Yes, you do keep the warranty. Sorry for the misinformation below (retained so that the following replies continue to make sense)
You actually DON'T keep warranty with the Dev Ed if you unlock the bootloader.
There's a statement in the box (just got my VZW Moto X DE yesterday) that states as soon as you unlock, you void the warranty and are on your own.
Thus, the only difference is that Motorola willingly gives DE owners the unlock code without having to surreptitiously hack the phone.
I was under the initial impression that you keep warranty. But you do not. Despite whatever the Moto website says.
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You actually DON'T keep warranty with the Dev Ed if you unlock the bootloader.
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You do, in fact, keep the warranty. I think it's funny that you say "despite what Moto says" - Moto provides the warranty. Why is what they say not valid?
http://motorola-blog.blogspot.com/2013/11/you-asked-we-listened-announcing.html
Requesting an unlock code will no longer void the device’s warranty
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You actually DON'T keep warranty with the Dev Ed if you unlock the bootloader.
There's a statement in the box (just got my VZW Moto X DE yesterday) that states as soon as you unlock, you void the warranty and are on your own.
Thus, the only difference is that Motorola willingly gives DE owners the unlock code without having to surreptitiously hack the phone.
I was under the initial impression that you keep warranty. But you do not. Despite whatever the Moto website says.
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Odds are, the retail packaging was never updated when they made their change.
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Odds are, the retail packaging was never updated when they made their change.
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Apparently, that is the case. Mea culpa.
"Despite what Motorola says" I stated because one of the reasons I bought the DE was that I was under the impression that the warranty would be preserved. Then, opening the box and seeing that cautionary pamphlet, I (wrongly) assumed that I had misinterpreted Motorola's website claims regarding the DE. What I didn't do was go back and confirm via Motorola's website.
Sorry for any confusion, and thanks to binary visions and imnuts for the correction!
The pamphlet is being edited to display the same language we have on the web site on new units. Sorry your unit did not come with an updated psmphlet but the web site language and new legal agreement takes precedence.
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Plug phone in, run a couple commands, copy key, goto Motorola's official unlock site, paste code, get email from Motorola, copy another code in that email. Run command. Profit. I think that is pretty much how you unlock the carrier versions. It's not any having and is an official procedure from Motorola. What's the difference for the DE versions?
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Plug phone in, run a couple commands, copy key, goto Motorola's official unlock site, paste code, get email from Motorola, copy another code in that email. Run command. Profit. I think that is pretty much how you unlock the carrier versions. It's not any having and is an official procedure from Motorola. What's the difference for the DE versions?
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A) not all the carrier versions can be unlocked, and
B) only the DE versions maintain their warranty after unlocking, as already stated above
Don't blame Motorola. Carriers require locked bootloaders. When you get unlocked phones usually you can do whatever you want to it. The warranty thing is a nice addition but I've never broken a phone to the point where I couldn't fix it myself. Personally I don't see an issue with the colors the warranty is just a bonus.
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We're talking about the carrier variants that can be unlocked. We already know why AT&T and Verizon variants can't be unlocked, and that's completely irrelevant to this thread.
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We're talking about the carrier variants that can be unlocked. We already know why AT&T and Verizon variants can't be unlocked, and that's completely irrelevant to this thread.
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Same premise applies in the poster's comments above you. The carrier doesn't want to encourage this behavior so while they don't stop you from unlocking, they don't want to cover the related warranty issues.
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I can't really see how that is true since t mobile and sprint both have and embrace the nexus program. In fact the t mobile moto x is the XT1053... Same exact phone as the gsm Dev edition save for the words on the back. Hell, if woven white was available through moto maker, I could go build a woven white back and black front phone and have the words "Developer Edition" put on the back and it would simply be the exact same.
I don't really understand the warranty thing with t mobile since a 32gb moto maker x is the exact same price and exact same model with the same process for unlocking. For Verizon I get it because they already have a locked phone policy, but t mobile doesn't. In fact, T-Mobile says they carry the phone but it isn't a T-Mobile branded phone (which is why they don't have Wi-Fi calling on it).
As well, functionality wise, if you want a nice looking unlocked moto x for at&t, you moto make a t mobile version and unlock it.
At least Motorola has a no questions asked return policy. I unlocked mine and was able to return it. Of course I flashed back to stock (huge pain compared to normal fastboot) and relocked it prior to returning. One thing they don't mention is they pay for return shipping, contrary to their website.
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Same premise applies in the poster's comments above you. The carrier doesn't want to encourage this behavior so while they don't stop you from unlocking, they don't want to cover the related warranty issues.
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The carrier has no say in a manufacturer's warranty, especially when the carrier doesn't even sell the phone.
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The carrier has no say in a manufacturer's warranty, especially when the carrier doesn't even sell the phone.
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It does as far as warranty facilitation. You will no longer be able to walk into your carrier store for support. You'd need to work with Motorola directly. While you may be covered with Moto, your carrier isn't obligated to assist you.
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It does as far as warranty facilitation. You will no longer be able to walk into your carrier store for support. You'd need to work with Motorola directly. While you may be covered with Moto, your carrier isn't obligated to assist you.
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With the US XT1053, you were never able to walk into a carrier store in the first place. T-Mobile does not sell this phone. They will not support it if you walk into a store, regardless of whether you are unlocked or not. And before somebody tries to say that it's still carrier-associated because they have the carrier name on the website when you order, well, so does the Verizon Dev Edition. The warranty is still valid on that when unlocking. Verizon won't help you with that, either, but Motorola will. That's what needs to happen with the T-Mobile X as well.
Sprint is slightly different, but as mentioned, they sell the Nexus phones in their store, which are also not warranty-voided if unlocked. I'm pretty sure they could manage to figure out how to handle the X, too.
Does anyone know the status of the boot loader? Will it be unlocked? Or able to be unlocked? Coming from a guy with a Note 3 on AT&T who has been wishing he had it on T Mobile.
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Dankchild said:
Does anyone know the status of the boot loader? Will it be unlocked? Or able to be unlocked? Coming from a guy with a Note 3 on AT&T who has been wishing he had it on T Mobile.
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I am as eager as you to know this - but unfortunately, until someone actually has a TMOBILE S5 in hand, there really is no way to know for sure. We can discuss and speculate - believe or disbelieve unauthorized reports - but until we actually have the phone -we will never really know..
As far as I know, the S5 won't be officially available until 4/11 - and supposedly it is supposed to start shipping to pre-orders around 4/8 - so that is probably the soonest we will know with any amount of certainty whether the bootloader is locked or unlocked.
Until then have patience if you can find it - then cross your fingers and toes - say a prayer if you believe - cast a spell if you're a witch/warlock - do whatever your beliefs allow and collectively maybe our prayers/spells/incantations/crossed fingers will actually make a difference. I - like you - and like many others - hope it is unlocked - but we will just have to wait and see...
I thought we should have a thread for us Canadians since the phone is going to be available tomorrow.
I pre-ordered mine from the Sony store today in Montreal Eaton Center.
Let's hope I get it soon.
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h_zee13 said:
I thought we should have a thread for us Canadians since the phone is going to be available tomorrow.
I pre-ordered mine from the Sony store today in Montreal Eaton Center.
Let's hope I get it soon.
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Does our version of the xperia z2 come with the MDR headphones or the other cheap ones
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Does our version of the xperia z2 come with the MDR headphones or the other cheap ones
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I don't know. The rep told me that the previous unlocked versions came with no headphones or the charging stand. The Sony Canada website says that only the charger has and usb cable are included in the box.
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Does our version of the xperia z2 come with the MDR headphones or the other cheap ones
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Not even a pair of cheap earphones
The phone will be available tomorrow, May 8th.
I wanna go to the Bell store tomorrow to pick it up but... will I be able to unlock the bootloader and flash away ?
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The phone will be available tomorrow, May 8th.
I wanna go to the Bell store tomorrow to pick it up but... will I be able to unlock the bootloader and flash away ?
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I was into the Bell store on Monday (May 12th) and I asked if it were possible to unlock the bootloader. The rep didn't know offhand. But he pulled a phone from the inventory, booted it up for me then let me enter the code to enter the service menu *#*#7378423#*#* and check.
Apparently the version they sell in the Bell store (at least in Nova Scotia, can't speak for the rest of Canada) does not allow you to unlock the bootloader (it says bootloader unlock allowed: No). So if you're looking to buy the Xperia Z2 from Bell and you live in Nova Scotia... Be aware of this.
(I haven't heard any other sources in Canada confirm or deny that it was possible to unlock the bootloader though.)
I'm not sure if the Sony store has their version yet for sale or whether or not it'll be possible to unlock either. (The Sony store website says that the phone is only taking pre-orders right now and that it's estimated to ship next month.)
I've bought today from Bell in Winnipeg, Manitoba, with 2-year contract and yes,the bootloader is locked too. But besides of that,great device!
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Got mine a few days ago in Saint John, NB on Bell and yup...it's locked. Still loving the phone though there are a few small features I would like to change. I'm very glad someone made this thread for Canadians.
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Is it me or the device is very choppy GPU action like scrolling and such ?
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Is it me or the device is very choppy GPU action like scrolling and such ?
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Seems to work ok for me.
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---------- Post added at 11:03 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:01 PM ----------
So I decided to try putting it in some water in the sink. Worked well and no issues. Filmed my test, lol:
http://youtu.be/giztciRubqk
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Ahh this is bad news. No boot loader unlock is a deal breaker for me. I wanted to get this phone so bad tend to get sick of manufactures skins pretty quickly. Looks like I may end up picking u the m8 instead. I really wanted to try a Sony product this year
Just to echo previous comments, I bought a Bell Xperia Z2 (D6053) and the bootloader's status is
"Bootloader Unlock Allowed = no"
I guess I'm going to have to return this; and grab it from Sony Store instead.
hidea said:
Just to echo previous comments, I bought a Bell Xperia Z2 (D6053) and the bootloader's status is
"Bootloader Unlock Allowed = no"
I guess I'm going to have to return this; and grab it from Sony Store instead.
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What is the customization number for the Canadian models?
enrique71 said:
What is the customization number for the Canadian models?
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The customization version:
1281-3795_R9A
Active customization:
1281-2999_R13A
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The customization version:
1281-3795_R9A
Active customization:
1281-2999_R13A
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Thanks. Strange though, I don't get a response from the update site. Is the model D6503 ?
http://scavenger.ch/sonyupdate/?model=D6503&id=1281-3795
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Thanks. Strange though, I don't get a response from the update site. Is the model D6503 ?
http://scavenger.ch/sonyupdate/?model=D6503&id=1281-3795
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Yes, that's the right model number.
nooganator said:
Ahh this is bad news. No boot loader unlock is a deal breaker for me. I wanted to get this phone so bad tend to get sick of manufactures skins pretty quickly. Looks like I may end up picking u the m8 instead. I really wanted to try a Sony product this year
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Same for me and I just went for it and I don't miss custom roms so far.
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Same for me and I just went for it and I don't miss custom roms so far.
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I REALLY like the phone, even without root. I think Sony did a lot of things right. Nothing was offensive, that I wanted to change it with Xposed modules. Still though, knowing that Sony's version has unlockable BL; I'll just pay outright. That's how willing I am to use this as a daily driver.
I got this phone 2 weeks ago and i love it! The only things are yes the BL is locked by Hell and the sound from the headphones and speakers are pretty low. There is a MOD to boost the volume like on the z1 but, it's only available on ROOT. Hopefully, the DEV's can find an exploit and be able to have ROOT on a locked BL like on the z1. Also, BTW Hell went cheap with the accessories, with some ****ty ear buds,not even in ear, and a usb cable and charger. Good thing i kept my magnetic charger cable from my Z1
Can anyone confirm that the unlocked version from the sony store has an unlockable bootloader?
Broader/bootloader, whatever. Here. Here's your thread. Please stop clogging other threads with your theories.
I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens.
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Lol I feel you, OP. This has gotten sad.
Unfortunately, I don't think it matters anymore who's fault it is (both), since the only people who can do anything about it have moved on to the international version, or other devices completely. I was one of the hopeful, but the petty bickering in here and the lack of updates from Tmo has made me all but give up. The main thread got closed down, and the push pretty much died there. Ice was supposed to have Forbes cover the story and have a lawyer look into possible legal action, neither of which panned out, through no fault of Ice's. It's just the way the cookie crumbled.
For the sake of being on topic, it's both Samsung and Tmo's fault sort of. Samsung locked the phone and Tmo didn't request it be unlocked. Either one of them could unlock it easily, which is why I held out hope in the first place, but the lack of action, or even updates leads me to believe we're SOL. I'm going to file an insurance claim with Upsie and request they send me an international version. I suggest anyone who wants root do the same. Upsie's deductible is only $25, but you have to purchase a new insurance plan once you get your new phone.
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Lol I feel you, OP. This has gotten sad.
Unfortunately, I don't think it matters anymore who's fault it is (both), since the only people who can do anything about it have moved on to the international version, or other devices completely. I was one of the hopeful, but the petty bickering in here and the lack of updates from Tmo has made me all but give up. The main thread got closed down, and the push pretty much died there. Ice was supposed to have Forbes cover the story and have a lawyer look into possible legal action, neither of which panned out, through no fault of Ice's. It's just the way the cookie crumbled.
For the sake of being on topic, it's both Samsung and Tmo's fault sort of. Samsung locked the phone and Tmo didn't request it be unlocked. Either one of them could unlock it easily, which is why I held out hope in the first place, but the lack of action, or even updates leads me to believe we're SOL. I'm going to file an insurance claim with Upsie and request they send me an international version. I suggest anyone who wants root do the same. Upsie's deductible is only $25, but you have to purchase a new insurance plan once you get your new phone.
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T-Mobile has always been on the stance since the Amaze. It's up to the manufacturer to lock it or not. They would never request it to be locked. To date all bootloaders prior to the S7 were unlocked except where manufacturers have locked them. IE HTC. LG did lock a bootloader once and they themselves admitted(front office response) they locked it.
Someone may bring up Sony device. They still haven't answered this question. What does T-Mobile have to gain to lock those devices and not every other device on their network? Have yet to see a valid reason.
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Damn phone. Haha
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Tidbits said:
T-Mobile has always been on the stance since the Amaze. It's up to the manufacturer to lock it or not. They would never request it to be locked. To date all bootloaders prior to the S7 were unlocked except where manufacturers have locked them. IE HTC. LG did lock a bootloader once and they themselves admitted(front office response) they locked it.
Someone may bring up Sony device. They still haven't answered this question. What does T-Mobile have to gain to lock those devices and not every other device on their network? Have yet to see a valid reason.
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It's not that they requested it to be locked, it's that they didn't request it to be unlocked. Samsung is the one who physically locked it, but Tmo just it took as is.
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My 2c: the fact that Des (tmo prod vp) had to ask someone on twitter what would he do with root showed me how disconnected the power-that-be from the needs of the niche development community. It is what is. Like him, many people who are the face of tech is unfortunately just power users, with no deeper connection than somehow ending up in the tech dept by luck or by proficiency in climbing the ladder. If those who can move mountains for us on this don't understand the need in the first place , there will be no movement.
tldr; so long, SM-G930T and SM-G935T. Hope we meet again on better terms. Tmo and Samsung, give my VR and gift cards, and I'll be on my way possibly with the F. Thanks for the Netflix!
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My 2c: the fact that Des (tmo prod vp) had to ask someone on twitter what would he do with root showed me how disconnected the power-that-be from the needs of the niche development community. It is what is. Like him, many people who are the face of tech is unfortunately just power users, with no deeper connection than somehow ending up in the tech dept by luck or by proficiency in climbing the ladder. If those who can move mountains for us on this don't understand the need in the first place , there will be no movement.
tldr; so long, SM-G930T and SM-G935T. Hope we meet again on better terms. Tmo and Samsung, give my VR and gift cards, and I'll be on my way possibly with the F. Thanks for the Netflix!
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Haha yeah bet...Enjoy your new phone. The galaxy s7 edge is easily touted as the Best android smartphone out right now in terms of design, features and specs. Everybody who leaves samsung for another phone because they want root is either new to the game or just wants to tag along.. folks who have had ROOT since way back when, don't really care that much. At least I dont..i could see rooting and all if I needed it back when I was 16. Android is mature enough!!
And honestly yall should too. Returning a phone because it has EVERYTHING YOU want except root? Hahaha it's like me letting go of the perfect woman because she can't **** other guys lol. It's a SECURED device. People with root are less secure more vulnerable but hey I speak from experience. First people where crying because they didn't have an SD card Yada, yadayada not it has that, the best battery life on any phone. Yet people aren't happy? F IT, you can't please the whole gotdamn world. I know A LOT of us are indeed happy with the phone and didn't get it for the freebies like I'm sure you jumped to the g5 to get the little battery and little cam huh?
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Haha yeah bet...Enjoy your new phone. The galaxy s7 edge is easily touted as the Best android smartphone out right now in terms of design, features and specs. Everybody who leaves samsung for another phone because they want root is either new to the game or just wants to tag along.. folks who have had ROOT since way back when, don't really care that much. At least I dont..i could see rooting and all if I needed it back when I was 16. Android is mature enough!!
And honestly yall should too. Returning a phone because it has EVERYTHING YOU want except root? Hahaha it's like me letting go of the perfect woman because she can't **** other guys lol. It's a SECURED device. People with root are less secure more vulnerable but hey I speak from experience. First people where crying because they didn't have an SD card Yada, yadayada not it has that, the best battery life on any phone. Yet people aren't happy? F IT, you can't please the whole gotdamn world. I know A LOT of us are indeed happy with the phone and didn't get it for the freebies like I'm sure you jumped to the g5 to get the little battery and little cam huh?
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This was why the other threads got closed. Back to square one. LOL.
lost_ said:
This was why the other threads got closed. Back to square one. LOL.
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It is? Lol. No sht...OK then...nevermind...pointless
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Well just my 2c it doesn't matter who is at fault the fact is our device is locked down. No way I would consider returning this device. Would I like root sure but for now it isn't happening. Most of these threads are just meant to vent but really serve no purpose.
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lost_ said:
This was why the other threads got closed. Back to square one. LOL.
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v8dreaming said:
That's why I started this thread, but the bounty thread still got locked.
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It's not that they requested it to be locked, it's that they didn't request it to be unlocked. Samsung is the one who physically locked it, but Tmo just it took as is.
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Who's to say T-Mobile didn't even get the option or the choice? Samsung has been awfully quiet in this whole thing. Legere put them under the bus and do you think T-Mobile would say a lie which Samsung has proof it wasn't true to have it blow up in T-Mobile's face for lying. Think about it for a minute.
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Who's to say T-Mobile didn't even get the option or the choice? Samsung has been awfully quiet in this whole thing. Legere put them under the bus and do you think T-Mobile would say a lie which Samsung has proof it wasn't true to have it blow up in T-Mobile's face for lying. Think about it for a minute.
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Again though, it WAS Samsung who locked the bootloader, so Tmo isn't lying, and I'm sure they DID have the choice, and they chose not to request and unlocked version.
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Again though, it WAS Samsung who locked the bootloader, so Tmo isn't lying, and I'm sure they DID have the choice, and they chose not to request and unlocked version.
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Source of this information that they did have a choice, or is this purely your speculation? So far Samsung is silent and hasn't said anything about it officially.
Also they are requesting it now and Samsung has a method already developed(see china). So why the Samsung dilly dally?
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Source of this information that they did have a choice, or is this purely your speculation? So far Samsung is silent and hasn't said anything about it officially.
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I guess you could call it educated speculation. Historically, Tmo has had unlocked/unlockable bootloaders, while other carriers' were locked. This is the first phone in recent memory that has shipped locked down on Tmo, at least since I've been with them. This leads me to believethat they generally request theirs to be unlocked. If they didn't have the choice (which I guess is entirely possible) this would be the first time I can recall.
In addition, the fact that Samsung released their own Exynos versions with unlockable bootloaders lends itself to the theory that the BLs were locked at US carrier request. More than likely, AT&T and Verizon requested locked down versions, and for one reason or another, Tmo and Sprint didn't specifically request unlocked ones. I don't pretend to know what those reasons are, but I'm sure they're there.
It's also possible that ALL Snapdragon variants are locked by Qualcomm, since the only way to unlock the Asian Snapdragon variants is with the CROM Service app, but the CROM Service app doesn't work on US versions because we don't have the CROM lock on our bootloaders. This brings up the question of who's choice it was to exclude this lock as well. If it was Samsung, why did they include it on the Asian variants?Logically, it always comes back to the US carriers no matter how you look at it. This part is entirely speculation, however.
The LG G2 was locked and LG said they locked it themselves and no one was given the option and that included overseas as well.
All HTC devices were locked by HTC, but they gave an option to unlock it. HTC on carriers request will remove carrier devices from the unlock list if requested.
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Also just because other variants have the ability doesn't mean carriers were given an option. For example China which you brought up has the option. In China that could be a government request and in order to sell there they must have a method to do so.
They could easily flash a new bootloader and install allow Crom in the states. T-Mobile right now is playing nice and is taking the heat for something they probably didn't have an option, or could very well didn't know they had an option due to the fact Samsung never told them or they assumed it was unlocked as you always had to request it to be locked.
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The LG G2 was locked and LG said they locked it themselves and no one was given the option and that included overseas as well.
All HTC devices were locked by HTC, but they gave an option to unlock it. HTC on carriers request will remove carrier devices from the unlock list if requested.
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The difference between those examples and this one is that in those cases, ALL devices were locked unless (in HTC's case) the carrier specifically requested otherwise. This only lends itself to my explanation. In this case, only the Snapdragon variants are locked. Samsung's own Exynos versions aren't. The only thing that makes sense is that Samsung locked the BLs at AT&T and Verizon's request, and Tmo and Sprint were like "*shrug* whatever". Or it's possible they wanted unlocked versions, but some other circumstances prevented that from happening.
I don't know for sure, this is just the most plausible explanation I can see. Either way though it doesn't really matter. As I said in my first post on this thread, the only ones who can do anything about it have moved on and by the time Tmo or Samsung release an unlock (if they ever do) there will be significantly less development than the international version, since most devs have jumped over there.
It can't be BOTH ways. It either has to be locked and carrier request to unlock or unlocked and carriers have to lock it. Right now you are using both ways. If Verizon and AT&T can request it to be locked then that means they were unlocked to begin with. That means Sprint and T-Mobile would have to request them to be unlocked. That would mean Samsung themselves couldn't have locked it. Now if it was reversed then you would have a point. Right now last I remember both Sprint and T-Mobile said it's Samsung who locked it. The way they talk it seems like they were never given the option. Samsung could clear the air but remains silent probably due to the fact they locked it themselves and NEVER gave anyone an option here in the states.
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