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Motorola says they will make the bootloader of the razr unlockable! (The android phone, not the other one) Check out the link here.
For those of you who are too lazy to read the whole thing, I summarised the whole article.
1. Razr first phone to include the fully implemented lock/unlock bootloader software in it.
2.Once Motorola launched the razr in their global markets, they will have a list of the models that will be unlocked displayed on their motodev.com website.
3.Mobile operators/carriers can opt out to having this software on their phone
4.Verizon has opt out. (Doesn't affect me personally but still unhappy)
So now, pressure your carriers!!
Also, hopefully, moto will also unlock their other phones. (Not that we need it now)
That's the thing, carriers still want the BLs locked down.
Why is there such a struggle with Motorola, but not Samsung with this?...
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Is there a possibility that samsung has it easier because they pressure carriers themselves? Perhaps by having a variant of the Galaxy S2 on each carrier they can use that to their advantage. They just say "if you don't allow us to have an unlocked bootloader on your network then people will go to someone that will."
With phones like the Razr they can't cause it exclusive. I'm probably way off but it's just a thought.
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I hope they unlock all of their phones as I just bought myself an atrix 2 and can't wait to start flashing.
Guess for now I'll have to stick with playing with the old atrix.
The a2 is great but what phone couldn't be better.
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JohnnyDanger said:
Is there a possibility that samsung has it easier because they pressure carriers themselves? Perhaps by having a variant of the Galaxy S2 on each carrier they can use that to their advantage. They just say "if you don't allow us to have an unlocked bootloader on your network then people will go to someone that will."
With phones like the Razr they can't cause it exclusive. I'm probably way off but it's just a thought.
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Hmmm. Good point there. Also, the Droid name is owned by Verizon and not Motorola so thee do have quite little say in the matter. Hopefully the software from the global razr can be ported to the Verizon one.
donharden2002 said:
I hope they unlock all of their phones as I just bought myself an atrix 2 and can't wait to start flashing.
Guess for now I'll have to stick with playing with the old atrix.
The a2 is great but what phone couldn't be better.
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They did say they will start unlocking bootloaders late 2011, and seem to be keeping with the plan. They also say the razr will be the first phone to be unlocked, followed by other devices. So maybe early next year your wish will come true!
As was already said, the key here is that the carriers will have the option to opt out. Motorola could have given us an unlocked bootloader anytime they wanted on the Atrix, but were/are held back by carriers and their contracts. So in reality, not a damned thing is changing unless you choose to purchase a full price non-carrier specific phone in the future which will have this option.
I view this as purely marketing on Motorola's part, as they are offering up nothing that they haven't had the ability to provide at any other time previous to this announcement.
it should be policy to unlock bootloaders once they decide not to bring future updates. what do you guys think?
in my country they just passed a law where it is forbidden to lock phones to carriers; if you have a locked phone, you can just bring it to the carrier you want to use and they have to unlock it for free.
imagine if motorla announced no ICS for atrix, then i could just bring it to an at&t tech service and demand they unlock BL for free and without worrying about bricking my phone.
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it should be policy to unlock bootloaders once they decide not to bring future updates. what do you guys think?
in my country they just passed a law where it is forbidden to lock phones to carriers; if you have a locked phone, you can just bring it to the carrier you want to use and they have to unlock it for free.
imagine if motorla announced no ICS for atrix, then i could just bring it to an at&t tech service and demand they unlock BL for free and without worrying about bricking my phone.
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You're thinking of SIM Lock and not bootloader unlock. They are 2 completely separate things.
i know the difference
what i was trying to say is that it would be cool if there was a law such the one i described, that applied to locked bootloaders.
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I just installed the Home Base Blue Chronic 4 and I have to say its fantastic...
I noticed that there is an update to 6.2 but it says its tailored for version 5??
Am I safe in installing it? I did not see a blue chronic version 5 to download...
Thank you
I wish they would just unlock everything and not give the carriers the option. One can dream...
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I just installed the Home Base Blue Chronic 4 and I have to say its fantastic...
I noticed that there is an update to 6.2 but it says its tailored for version 5??
Am I safe in installing it? I did not see a blue chronic version 5 to download...
Thank you
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WTF are you talking about? Maybe try posting that in the Home Base thread....
YES. 1,678 signatures! I have to admit even I am impressed that this thing KEEPS getting new signatures daily. I want to thank some of the Devs who provided links on the OP page for ROMs they developed, and if we continue to spread the word, I see no reason that 5,000 signatures could be reached. If AT&T chooses to ignore that many people, it will be a good indicator of how foolish they have truly become. Keep 'em coming! I am seeing many new signatures every day. Posting links to it is one thing I know that works: Go to any Facebook Page (I have only hit AT&T and Samsung, post a few words and this link:
Please support this campaign/sign this petition: http://chn.ge/192KeHy <- Paste this on any Facebook Page or when you leave comments in Blogs or tech sites. On Faceboot it creates a nice link with a graphic.
For all the negative types that pop in here just to say "stop dreaming, it won't make the slightest difference" - I agree that this is just a "blip" on the radar of AT&T Execs such as Ralph de la Vega's radar, but it's one noisy, annoying, won't go away blip, and it keeps upsetting his "vison". -isn't that just special
Pasting the link I provide below into threads on this subject seems to be very effective in creating a buzz.
This is simply to let AT&T know that they have alienated the folks who people go for tech advice when they BUY a new phone or UPGRADE an existing device. . Guess what we are going to tell them about AT&T's Note 3?
This is ALSO a way to get word out that it is locked. The average consumer has no idea, doesn't even know what locked bootloader will do or not do.
Copy and paste the links below anywhere on the web. See a site saying how wonderful the Note 3 is? Paste the link. Hit em wherever you express yourself. I want AT&T to know they have crossed the line with this move. Will they change policy? Probably not, they are not Asus or HTC, but I still believe that the alternative; to just accept this is to give AT&T permission to find MORE to take away from us is UNACCEPTABLE!!!!. It was a petition (an the work of New York Senator Al Damato that got people the right to port phone #'s to a new carrier. Before that you were often locked to a carrier by your number. Also petitioning ASUS 2 years ago got us an unlocker (and warranty "voider") for the Transformer Prime.
The petition is not a static document. Every new signature sends an email to each of the following AT&T Executives:
Randall L. Stephenson - Chairman and Chief Executive Office
Ralph de la Vega - President and Chief Executive Officer - AT&T Mobility
John Donovan - Senior Executive Vice President, AT&T Technology and Network Operations
John T. Stankey - Group President and Chief Strategy Officer
Links you can paste:
Link for the Change.org Pettion here:
Please join this campaign/sign petition: http://chn.ge/192KeHy <- Paste this everywhere you leave comments...
Help blitz on AT&T's Social Media Pages on FaceBook
https://www.facebook.com/ATT
We REALLY need to make our voice heard at Samsung, who, as a partner to AT&T, may have additional influence when they know that THEIR business will be affected as well.
https://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobile
Go to these sites, and blitz the wall with this line: AT&T: Unlock OUR Samsung Galaxy Note 3 Bootloader! or Samsung: Please ask AT&T to Unlock OUR Samsung Galaxy Note 3 Bootloader!
Some of us are, unfortunately not financially equipped to run out and get a T-Mobile N3.
I can guarantee you if we just grumble and sulk about it, or even go elsewhere with our business without making sure that AT&T knows WHY we did it, not only will nothing change, but the same a$$es that made this policy will be planning new ways to screw with us. Feel like its a waste of time? Is less than 2 minutes to sign a petition too much trouble? Great. You can just accept whatever they want to take away next.NOT signing is comparable to standing there while a mugger robs and beats someone who is helpless to defend themselves and not even yelling "Hey, leave that person alone" to the creep doing the crime.
I second that motion! Im really not happy that at&t is choosing to lock down their phones, its my damn phone. I pay a monthly service fee for the spotty coverage and another $200 + for the phone, I should be able to do whatever I damn well please with it. I really want to get the note 3 but the locked bootloader is a deal breaker for me.
I say unlock the bootloader or your going to have a lot of pissed off people looking to buy elsewhere or jump ship. I know at least one person who has already gone to t mobile!
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You'll have my signature if you go forward with this.
I got my AT&T Note 3 today and was rather distraught that there's currently no root option available for it...But there certainly IS for the TMobile variant!!
You my signature
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I will sign in a heartbeat. Worth a shot and can't hurt
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I've already seen this dozens of times. You already bought the phone, they know you will forget by the next phone. Look trough the Atrix, DX ect ect. No amount of petitions will change there mind.
You've got mine. This is why I'm not getting a note 3 yet.
I'll sign twice, you don't need an ID to vote in most states, I'm sure I can make up a few names! lol But really, I've been blasting AT&T's twitter wanting an answer as to why. Even referencing the droves of consumers running to purchase a TMob version and sim unlocking! I don't think they care, but it makes me feel better to complain!
I'm in for this
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I've already seen this dozens of times. You already bought the phone, they know you will forget by the next phone. Look trough the Atrix, DX ect ect. No amount of petitions will change there mind.
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As much as I want to bootloader unlocked I have to agree 1000% with this.
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Im in..... If AT&T does not want to unlock the bootloader then they should offer a dev edition of the Note 3! It would have been even better to offer it on launch day! Anyway you have my signature!
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I'm seriously thinking of switching service over this one issue. I've been with AT&T for years. They need to listen to their customers or lose business.
Yes...I'll sign it. :highfive:
I have subscribed to this topic. You have my vote.
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You have my support, we should be able to do what we want to with OUR phones.
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YellowGTO said:
I've already seen this dozens of times. You already bought the phone, they know you will forget by the next phone. Look trough the Atrix, DX ect ect. No amount of petitions will change there mind.
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Sure, I agree too... But that's not going to stop me from TRYING or voicing my opinion.
I'm in! Get the petition up, i have at least 5 people that are ready and willing to sign!
I'm definitely in. Yea its been done before and no it probably won't work. But hell, I'm all about taking a stand. I've got the GN3 and Ive already listed the phone to sell it. I've already decided to take the money and buy the T-Mobile version. This locked bootloader has burnt my ass since I bought the S4. Its ridiculous that a mammoth of a company like AT&T has that kind of power in the first place. If everyone took a stand from day one and told these companies what we'd stand for and what we wouldn't, then this wouldn't be happening now. Thing is they know people will still purchase phones and sign contracts for their service no matter what they do to their customers. Its locked bootloaders and region sim locks now, wonder what they'll dream up next. Problem is, people will sit and ***** about how companies do them but nobody ever does anything about it. If we all came together and told them to jam the phones and service in their asses they'd have to change policy or go bankrupt. But it'll never happen because people won't come together and do it. A handful of people up against a giant like AT&T will ALWAYS get swept under the rug. It takes massive numbers to make a change. When that happens...we'll get results.
I wish you luck. Unfortunately, AT&T said they don't support unlocked bootloaders according to this:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...tloaders-so-stop-asking-us-about-every-phone/
Maybe they'll have a change of heart with the Note 3. It would be nice at least.
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lol good luck... they are not going to do anything about this.. its all about customers aka money.. unless you want to give them money im sure they will if they have enough.. but still when you buy a note 3 full price from att they wont unlock the bootloader...
im getting the t-mobile note 3 and my contract from att ends next year and ill be switching back to t-mo after like 8 years with att..
im sure it will get hacked sooner or later but when a bootloader is locked you play this cat and mouse game.. just like when i use to jailbreak..
really att needs to loosen up.. hope you guys get what you asked for but for now enjoy your note 3 and wait..........
I was just on the Verizon Wireless site looking at the new Nexus 6 that was released today and it prompted a live chat with a representative. I decided to go ahead and ask her if the device was locked and if so, did it support Fastboot OEM Unlock. She said went to check with her tech team and they confirmed that it was able to be unlocked with that method. Finally, and unlocked bootloader
Wait till you get the device in your hands
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This is really not surprising in the least
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I'm really hoping that someone who's buying the phone from Verizon soon can confirm on here if this is true for sure. I won't be upgrading for a couple months but I'm really curious!
They'll tell you anything you want to hear to get you to buy something.
"check with her tech team" = going to take a leak in the bathroom....
Lets wait till someone has phone in hand!
The galaxy nexus was, right? Is Verizon even getting a unique part number?
Its fine I wouldn't worry,its a nexus vzw didn't mess with !
I don't know why people assumed verizon nexus would be locked its the same thing as others just has verizon logo on it
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To anyone doubting.. Every single Nexus 6, regardless of where you bought it, will be bootloader unlockable with fastboot oem unlock. End of speculation.
I think the biggest question is will there be an OEM partition filled with a bunch of garbage like the ATT version.
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I think the biggest question is will there be an OEM partition filled with a bunch of garbage like the ATT version.
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Prob but that is easily taken care of..No worried once u root and unlock
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To anyone doubting.. Every single Nexus 6, regardless of where you bought it, will be bootloader unlockable with fastboot oem unlock. End of speculation.
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I hope this is true! Where did you get your information?
I'll have mine next Tuesday or Wednesday. Can't wait to drop the Note 3.
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misterpyrrhuloxia said:
I hope this is true! Where did you get your information?
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It's a Nexus. Google has said multiple times that their phones will never be locked down
I bet it will be sim locked like ATT though.
Peylix said:
I bet it will be sim locked like ATT though.
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All Verizon LTE phones come SIM unlocked.
catcher8587 said:
All Verizon LTE phones come SIM unlocked.
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Never knew this. So it seems VZW is the lesser of the two evils other than taking a decade to launch the device.
misterpyrrhuloxia said:
I hope this is true! Where did you get your information?
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DubleJayJ said:
It's a Nexus. Google has said multiple times that their phones will never be locked down
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What he said. A Nexus is a Nexus and will always have an easy unlockable bootloader. I've been tinkering with Androids for many years and this one is written in stone, Verion can do nothing to change it.
I should find out by Thursday.
All verizon lte phones are sim unlocked and usually have global bands. ATT is the absolute worst carrier.
Anyone from the UK with Vodafone and a recent Samsung device? Did Vodafone lock the bootloader of that Samsung device? I'm desperately trying to find out if the bootloader on my pre-ordered Vodafone UK S7 Edge will be locked, if it is and can't be easily unlocked I'm sending the phone back when I get it.
I spoke to someone at Vodafone and he claimed it did come locked, but I suspect he was confused with sim lock despite my best attempts to explain the difference. I've seen mention on the PingPong root thread of someone who rooted their Vodafone S6 (here), although I'm not sure that root method required an unlocked bootloader without reading up on it.
I'd really hate to return this phone when I get it, but no way in hell am I paying £40 a month for a phone I can't root.
Didn't really think about boot loader I went with EE but from buymobiles.net so I assume it won't have EE stuff on the phone so won't be locked
Carrier phones like vodafone are locked to the first sim inserted , better get one at carphone warehouse as thats an unlocked version
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You're confusing sim lock and bootloader lock. I'm taking about the latter.
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Didn't really think about boot loader I went with EE but from buymobiles.net so I assume it won't have EE stuff on the phone so won't be locked
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No yours won't be branded. It is only branded when ordered directly from EE. I wanted to avoid getting it directly from EE but being 90 days away from the end of my contract left me with that being the only option to upgrade. They're also very slow with updates which is the main reason I wanted to avoid getting it direct.
People keep telling me that at least I get wifi calling but that's not something I will ever use as the signal strength is fantastic in my area.
why not cancel and preorder through samsung
Because, unless I go directly through Vodafone, I don't get the 20% employer discount. And over the two lines I have that saves me £480 over 24 months.
Just in case someone manages to get hold of a Vodafone S7 today (I read at least one person on another forum has had theirs delivered) I would appreciate if someone can check this out and let me know. Apparently, if you go into the dev options and the OEM Lock toggle is there and usable, the phone has an unlocked bootloader. Cheers in advance.
I have a voda one turning up today.... Lets see what we get
Beefheart said:
Just in case someone manages to get hold of a Vodafone S7 today (I read at least one person on another forum has had theirs delivered) I would appreciate if someone can check this out and let me know. Apparently, if you go into the dev options and the OEM Lock toggle is there and usable, the phone has an unlocked bootloader. Cheers in advance.
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No, that's just the SE Linux Permissive vs Restrictive toggle. Nothing to do with a locked/unlocked bootloader state.
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No, that's just the SE Linux Permissive vs Restrictive toggle. Nothing to do with a locked/unlocked bootloader state.
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Incorrect.
http://android.wonderhowto.com/insp...ndroid-even-if-you-dont-plan-rooting-0167840/
I find it ridiculous there doesn't appear to be an east way to discover if a devices bootloader is locked or unlocked. Surely there is an app that can discover this?
Good news by the sounds of it. A few people I know who have the S7 edge from Vodafone have said the bootloader appears to be unlocked.
EE usually lock the load loader too but when I got mine it was unlocked. Result.
Any idea how they discovered this? And how did you know your phone is unlocked? The OEM Unlock toggle apparently isn't an indication it's definitely unlocked.
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Any idea how they discovered this? And how did you know your phone is unlocked? The OEM Unlock toggle apparently isn't an indication it's definitely unlocked.
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I'm not sure how they knew, they just told me it was unlocked so maybe (like me) they're assuming the OEM unlock toggle means it's unlocked.
Yeah, I don't believe that indicates a definite unlocked bootloader. I'm going to do more digging but I might end up having to keep the phone and hope for the best. The only sure way is to attempt a custom kernel flash or custom recovery, and there is no chance of one of them in the next couple of weeks.
Would be good to know for sure before the 14 day return runs out.
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Would be good to know for sure before the 14 day return runs out.
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A few Vodafone UK users on here have confirmed root has been successful. Therefore, it is unlocked.
CuBz90 said:
A few Vodafone UK users on here have confirmed root has been successful. Therefore, it is unlocked.
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Source?
Great, thank you!
Just need to wait for a root that doesn't trip Knox and disables it as well.
CafeKampuchia said:
Source?
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Sure.
Beefheart said:
Finally got round to rooting. Went without a hitch. Kudos to the OP.
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if you look at his post history you will find he has a Vodafone UK Brandad S7E.
Also, this one too...
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I know I'm not the first, but root has been achieved for me on a Vodafone UK phone
besides a nexus device, this has been the most pain free root I've ever done
now to go find those couple of preinstalled apps....
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Great, thank you!
Just need to wait for a root that doesn't trip Knox and disables it as well.
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I'm waiting on that too. Although I am now insured so if it's not out soon I will be rooting and using my insurance for any claims if needed.
In my 8 years of owning Samsung Devices, I have only ever had to claim on my warranty once, so fingers crossed I won't need to this time round.
Broader/bootloader, whatever. Here. Here's your thread. Please stop clogging other threads with your theories.
I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens.
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Lol I feel you, OP. This has gotten sad.
Unfortunately, I don't think it matters anymore who's fault it is (both), since the only people who can do anything about it have moved on to the international version, or other devices completely. I was one of the hopeful, but the petty bickering in here and the lack of updates from Tmo has made me all but give up. The main thread got closed down, and the push pretty much died there. Ice was supposed to have Forbes cover the story and have a lawyer look into possible legal action, neither of which panned out, through no fault of Ice's. It's just the way the cookie crumbled.
For the sake of being on topic, it's both Samsung and Tmo's fault sort of. Samsung locked the phone and Tmo didn't request it be unlocked. Either one of them could unlock it easily, which is why I held out hope in the first place, but the lack of action, or even updates leads me to believe we're SOL. I'm going to file an insurance claim with Upsie and request they send me an international version. I suggest anyone who wants root do the same. Upsie's deductible is only $25, but you have to purchase a new insurance plan once you get your new phone.
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Lol I feel you, OP. This has gotten sad.
Unfortunately, I don't think it matters anymore who's fault it is (both), since the only people who can do anything about it have moved on to the international version, or other devices completely. I was one of the hopeful, but the petty bickering in here and the lack of updates from Tmo has made me all but give up. The main thread got closed down, and the push pretty much died there. Ice was supposed to have Forbes cover the story and have a lawyer look into possible legal action, neither of which panned out, through no fault of Ice's. It's just the way the cookie crumbled.
For the sake of being on topic, it's both Samsung and Tmo's fault sort of. Samsung locked the phone and Tmo didn't request it be unlocked. Either one of them could unlock it easily, which is why I held out hope in the first place, but the lack of action, or even updates leads me to believe we're SOL. I'm going to file an insurance claim with Upsie and request they send me an international version. I suggest anyone who wants root do the same. Upsie's deductible is only $25, but you have to purchase a new insurance plan once you get your new phone.
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T-Mobile has always been on the stance since the Amaze. It's up to the manufacturer to lock it or not. They would never request it to be locked. To date all bootloaders prior to the S7 were unlocked except where manufacturers have locked them. IE HTC. LG did lock a bootloader once and they themselves admitted(front office response) they locked it.
Someone may bring up Sony device. They still haven't answered this question. What does T-Mobile have to gain to lock those devices and not every other device on their network? Have yet to see a valid reason.
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Damn phone. Haha
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Tidbits said:
T-Mobile has always been on the stance since the Amaze. It's up to the manufacturer to lock it or not. They would never request it to be locked. To date all bootloaders prior to the S7 were unlocked except where manufacturers have locked them. IE HTC. LG did lock a bootloader once and they themselves admitted(front office response) they locked it.
Someone may bring up Sony device. They still haven't answered this question. What does T-Mobile have to gain to lock those devices and not every other device on their network? Have yet to see a valid reason.
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It's not that they requested it to be locked, it's that they didn't request it to be unlocked. Samsung is the one who physically locked it, but Tmo just it took as is.
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My 2c: the fact that Des (tmo prod vp) had to ask someone on twitter what would he do with root showed me how disconnected the power-that-be from the needs of the niche development community. It is what is. Like him, many people who are the face of tech is unfortunately just power users, with no deeper connection than somehow ending up in the tech dept by luck or by proficiency in climbing the ladder. If those who can move mountains for us on this don't understand the need in the first place , there will be no movement.
tldr; so long, SM-G930T and SM-G935T. Hope we meet again on better terms. Tmo and Samsung, give my VR and gift cards, and I'll be on my way possibly with the F. Thanks for the Netflix!
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My 2c: the fact that Des (tmo prod vp) had to ask someone on twitter what would he do with root showed me how disconnected the power-that-be from the needs of the niche development community. It is what is. Like him, many people who are the face of tech is unfortunately just power users, with no deeper connection than somehow ending up in the tech dept by luck or by proficiency in climbing the ladder. If those who can move mountains for us on this don't understand the need in the first place , there will be no movement.
tldr; so long, SM-G930T and SM-G935T. Hope we meet again on better terms. Tmo and Samsung, give my VR and gift cards, and I'll be on my way possibly with the F. Thanks for the Netflix!
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Haha yeah bet...Enjoy your new phone. The galaxy s7 edge is easily touted as the Best android smartphone out right now in terms of design, features and specs. Everybody who leaves samsung for another phone because they want root is either new to the game or just wants to tag along.. folks who have had ROOT since way back when, don't really care that much. At least I dont..i could see rooting and all if I needed it back when I was 16. Android is mature enough!!
And honestly yall should too. Returning a phone because it has EVERYTHING YOU want except root? Hahaha it's like me letting go of the perfect woman because she can't **** other guys lol. It's a SECURED device. People with root are less secure more vulnerable but hey I speak from experience. First people where crying because they didn't have an SD card Yada, yadayada not it has that, the best battery life on any phone. Yet people aren't happy? F IT, you can't please the whole gotdamn world. I know A LOT of us are indeed happy with the phone and didn't get it for the freebies like I'm sure you jumped to the g5 to get the little battery and little cam huh?
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nano303 said:
Haha yeah bet...Enjoy your new phone. The galaxy s7 edge is easily touted as the Best android smartphone out right now in terms of design, features and specs. Everybody who leaves samsung for another phone because they want root is either new to the game or just wants to tag along.. folks who have had ROOT since way back when, don't really care that much. At least I dont..i could see rooting and all if I needed it back when I was 16. Android is mature enough!!
And honestly yall should too. Returning a phone because it has EVERYTHING YOU want except root? Hahaha it's like me letting go of the perfect woman because she can't **** other guys lol. It's a SECURED device. People with root are less secure more vulnerable but hey I speak from experience. First people where crying because they didn't have an SD card Yada, yadayada not it has that, the best battery life on any phone. Yet people aren't happy? F IT, you can't please the whole gotdamn world. I know A LOT of us are indeed happy with the phone and didn't get it for the freebies like I'm sure you jumped to the g5 to get the little battery and little cam huh?
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This was why the other threads got closed. Back to square one. LOL.
lost_ said:
This was why the other threads got closed. Back to square one. LOL.
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It is? Lol. No sht...OK then...nevermind...pointless
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Well just my 2c it doesn't matter who is at fault the fact is our device is locked down. No way I would consider returning this device. Would I like root sure but for now it isn't happening. Most of these threads are just meant to vent but really serve no purpose.
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lost_ said:
This was why the other threads got closed. Back to square one. LOL.
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v8dreaming said:
That's why I started this thread, but the bounty thread still got locked.
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AKW said:
It's not that they requested it to be locked, it's that they didn't request it to be unlocked. Samsung is the one who physically locked it, but Tmo just it took as is.
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Who's to say T-Mobile didn't even get the option or the choice? Samsung has been awfully quiet in this whole thing. Legere put them under the bus and do you think T-Mobile would say a lie which Samsung has proof it wasn't true to have it blow up in T-Mobile's face for lying. Think about it for a minute.
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Tidbits said:
Who's to say T-Mobile didn't even get the option or the choice? Samsung has been awfully quiet in this whole thing. Legere put them under the bus and do you think T-Mobile would say a lie which Samsung has proof it wasn't true to have it blow up in T-Mobile's face for lying. Think about it for a minute.
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Again though, it WAS Samsung who locked the bootloader, so Tmo isn't lying, and I'm sure they DID have the choice, and they chose not to request and unlocked version.
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Again though, it WAS Samsung who locked the bootloader, so Tmo isn't lying, and I'm sure they DID have the choice, and they chose not to request and unlocked version.
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Source of this information that they did have a choice, or is this purely your speculation? So far Samsung is silent and hasn't said anything about it officially.
Also they are requesting it now and Samsung has a method already developed(see china). So why the Samsung dilly dally?
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Source of this information that they did have a choice, or is this purely your speculation? So far Samsung is silent and hasn't said anything about it officially.
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I guess you could call it educated speculation. Historically, Tmo has had unlocked/unlockable bootloaders, while other carriers' were locked. This is the first phone in recent memory that has shipped locked down on Tmo, at least since I've been with them. This leads me to believethat they generally request theirs to be unlocked. If they didn't have the choice (which I guess is entirely possible) this would be the first time I can recall.
In addition, the fact that Samsung released their own Exynos versions with unlockable bootloaders lends itself to the theory that the BLs were locked at US carrier request. More than likely, AT&T and Verizon requested locked down versions, and for one reason or another, Tmo and Sprint didn't specifically request unlocked ones. I don't pretend to know what those reasons are, but I'm sure they're there.
It's also possible that ALL Snapdragon variants are locked by Qualcomm, since the only way to unlock the Asian Snapdragon variants is with the CROM Service app, but the CROM Service app doesn't work on US versions because we don't have the CROM lock on our bootloaders. This brings up the question of who's choice it was to exclude this lock as well. If it was Samsung, why did they include it on the Asian variants?Logically, it always comes back to the US carriers no matter how you look at it. This part is entirely speculation, however.
The LG G2 was locked and LG said they locked it themselves and no one was given the option and that included overseas as well.
All HTC devices were locked by HTC, but they gave an option to unlock it. HTC on carriers request will remove carrier devices from the unlock list if requested.
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Also just because other variants have the ability doesn't mean carriers were given an option. For example China which you brought up has the option. In China that could be a government request and in order to sell there they must have a method to do so.
They could easily flash a new bootloader and install allow Crom in the states. T-Mobile right now is playing nice and is taking the heat for something they probably didn't have an option, or could very well didn't know they had an option due to the fact Samsung never told them or they assumed it was unlocked as you always had to request it to be locked.
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The LG G2 was locked and LG said they locked it themselves and no one was given the option and that included overseas as well.
All HTC devices were locked by HTC, but they gave an option to unlock it. HTC on carriers request will remove carrier devices from the unlock list if requested.
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The difference between those examples and this one is that in those cases, ALL devices were locked unless (in HTC's case) the carrier specifically requested otherwise. This only lends itself to my explanation. In this case, only the Snapdragon variants are locked. Samsung's own Exynos versions aren't. The only thing that makes sense is that Samsung locked the BLs at AT&T and Verizon's request, and Tmo and Sprint were like "*shrug* whatever". Or it's possible they wanted unlocked versions, but some other circumstances prevented that from happening.
I don't know for sure, this is just the most plausible explanation I can see. Either way though it doesn't really matter. As I said in my first post on this thread, the only ones who can do anything about it have moved on and by the time Tmo or Samsung release an unlock (if they ever do) there will be significantly less development than the international version, since most devs have jumped over there.
It can't be BOTH ways. It either has to be locked and carrier request to unlock or unlocked and carriers have to lock it. Right now you are using both ways. If Verizon and AT&T can request it to be locked then that means they were unlocked to begin with. That means Sprint and T-Mobile would have to request them to be unlocked. That would mean Samsung themselves couldn't have locked it. Now if it was reversed then you would have a point. Right now last I remember both Sprint and T-Mobile said it's Samsung who locked it. The way they talk it seems like they were never given the option. Samsung could clear the air but remains silent probably due to the fact they locked it themselves and NEVER gave anyone an option here in the states.
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